NOOB in F-16 VS PRO in Lower BR Plane - Pro Wins, Plane Gets Worse - WAR THUNDER

[@ICantAIMD]

Basically a fight of a toddler with a machine gun vs a grown adult with a rock

[@hypeflexington7081]

Idk... Darfur showed us that a kid with a gun will kill you just as dead as an adult with a gun

[@ethanchristianson4922]

You are only defeated until the toddler says “wha du thi buddin du”

[@massimovolpe1343]

​@@hypeflexington7081that's probably why he said a toddler. A kid can hold and fire a gun, a kid with a machine gun wouldn't be able to lift and aim it. Much like he wasn't able to fire his missiles that would have completely obliterated defyn as soon as he lost countermeasures

[@appa609]

​@@hypeflexington7081Not if he doesn't know how to work the safety

[@tadeaspekar9043]

@@hypeflexington7081toddle is not a kid buddy

[@DEFYN]

In this episode I will attempt to run faster than my grandma! As for the passing out, I already told you but now I can see it. You're just entering a speed range in which you turn better 😅

[@dnfluffles772]

Thank god some1 said it😅

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you for doing this vid with me DEFYN!

[@joragoon8587]

ITS THE MAN HIMSELF!

[@lato5750]

Should've flown the F-100D

[@Loudward__]

I just realised you used the 109K, not the 2.7 109

[@MrCamelBeans]

There is genuinely no way someone can be this bad at flying.

[@adamsavage6902]

"It is better to fly badly than fall well." - WT

[@maomaomaimaimao]

​@@adamsavage6902I'd rather fall well

[@adamsavage6902]

@@maomaomaimaimao you sir dont play war thunder then

[@itzhotaki]

Everyone start Somewhere bro

[@Britishball6]

@@maomaomaimaimaowtf is ur name

[@sergionix26]

"Never flown a jet before" bro never flown a plane before 😭😭😭

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

That might as well also be true

[@blindless06]

@@ThunderWithMuffinWhy, do you just play groundbattles?

[@mapletreepower7038]

​@@blindless06or just never played before????

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

@@blindless06e seriously only plays ground battles like never touched air RB before because as a former ground main even I knew how to launch missiles before I started playing air rb. This is just an assumption but I’m guessing he’s never played before

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

@@ThunderWithMuffinan you post a full uncut version of this I think it’s be kinda interesting to see or even do it again, I really enjoy you being really bad, no offense I think I would probably be just as bad or worse

[@pharthasa]

The definition of “its not the plane its the pilot”

[@TrenchCoater]

That is very true. It depends on the pilots skill. Not the planes defaults.

[@yurimasayoshi9475]

You mean the DEFYNition?

[@Jfk1245]

Kinda, if they had read a quick guide on how to use 7fs and 9ls they would have only lost 3-4 rounds

[@hemendraravi4787]

You can't dodge 9L or r60m head-on lol

[@CircusJeanie2399]

@@noname.noname.3560 thank you

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

When I thought noob I didn't think noob to the level of never flying a plane in War Thunder at all before. Damn. How is that even possible with the amount of hours you have.

[@reentrysfs6317]

Maybe he only played tanks.

[@joshuachen521]

@@reentrysfs6317 I thought if you plane arcade, you still got chance to fly a plane

[@flashxcate]

I'm just slightly above its level and i've played for years, just tanks only and only like an hour every once in a while. Warthunder is a very hard game to master, it litterally tells you NOTHING and if you dont go out of your way to learn stuff you can spend a large amont of hours withoud getting good

[@RyH-yx4ys]

​@@flashxcate Exactly. I've installed WT for the first time in 2017, been playing on and off since then yet its still hard to master bc I switch between Naval/Air/Ground frequently, I sucked at Air extremely until 2 years ago when I found out that I should customize my controls and when I did I got noticeably better, a factor that not a lot of players count, controls matter a lot.

[@theogmonk4299]

@@joshuachen521no real ground player plays arcade brudda

[@Vibakari]

“ noob in a F16 vs pro in a prop plane” Well obviously the noob is a gonna win if it keep its spee- “The pro will be defyn” Oh hang on a minute

[@Korixon.]

That does not even matter as muffin did not even know how to use his radar missiles or ir missiles. Once there was no flares for dyfen, he could have killed him all of those times

[@abroamg]

​@@Korixon.also the f16 turns at 8g at any speed, so staying fast made him not get guns on target

[@vusherman1125]

it not about the plane, it about the pilot

[@Timmytheman.]

F16 performs really well at around 500 mph

[@Whiteghost785]

@@abroamg Drop to 800-750 kph and you can pull 10 and get guns on everything you want. But this guy obviously cant do much aside from fly in a straight line

[@mattb.2359]

Also for the missiles, the tone will change when it obtains a solid lock. Then you can fire, as long as the target is within the circle and you move in the direction of the target. As for the gun, you won't get a hit from 2km out, unless you aim up. And might try this again, but use the speed and agility of the F16 to do boom and zoom attacks. Sticking to a 1 circle fight down low is what go you killed more often than not. More speed, more maneuverability.

[@wfb.subtraktor311]

I dont think telling a noob to stop doing 1-circles is very helpful. I didn't even know what that term means for the first 2000 hours of playing the game, and he surely won't either. Even BnZ might be too far already.

[@jacetheace55]

@@wfb.subtraktor311 Yes, although he does give useful information about the guns and missiles that he didn't know.

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

@@wfb.subtraktor311 I never heard that term either.

[@wfb.subtraktor311]

@@Chrischi3TutorialLPs Case and point. A 1 circle is where both you and your enemy follow the same direction of turn, making a single circular shape with your combined flying. This is as opposed to a 2 circle, where both players turn in different directions to try and get a shot on the other, with each drawing their own turning circle.

[@cyanide7270]

No, the problem was not once did he figure out that to get a lock you need to put the enemy IN the small circle to begin with. He thought it was just completely automatic.

[@rosscoe3044]

bro there’s a difference between not knowing how to fly on top tier and not knowing how to fly AT ALL 💀💀

[@CrimzFN]

Bro looks like this is his first time playing a video game

[@alexrobertson557]

I now wanna see a series where Defyn teaches muffin to not be a complete noob

[@abdullahlibzo6914]

That would be a great series because it's hard to learn all this alone

[@alexrobertson557]

@@abdullahlibzo6914 for sure, it would be really helpful for new players to learn

[@pizzapower95]

he first needs to teach the other pilot to become a noob. because what i saw was not a noob but a first time beginner. noob indicates basic yet lacking skill and experience in games from what i know.

[@phirn5878]

@@pizzapower95 I saw your comment a month ago when it was a couple days old. Just wanted to ask you to look up what "noob" originates from.

[@blitzworldace]

@@abdullahlibzo6914 And then I can take this advice and use it against my friends and still die

[@MackAttack101]

from this day onwards, every day i feel like I'm shit at dogfighting, I'll come watch this video so I can feel better about myself

[@ChemicalBurnGaming]

he is still better than me haha

[@Gengargamer2_]

The reason why you where able to turn btter when you lost control is due to you losing a lot of speed allowing much better turning, mainly due to how gaijin made the flight model for the f16 allowing for it to turn way better at subsonic speeds, so no it wasnt a placebo you where turning better 😂.

[@ixxxxxxx]

yep

[@Omnidestrophic]

that is because the f-16 is a rate fighter. it's best turn speed should be around 400-450 knots if i recall correctly. that is for rating though. not sure how well that is modeled in this game. Plus he was on burner the whole time lol. so that pushed his speed way to high to fight slower planes and to slot in properly. but as said in the video title, total noob vs a pro lol.

[@kingghidorah8106]

​@@Omnidestrophicrate fights aren't subject to speed. MiG19 and F5 were designed to rate at transonic speeds, F-16 is a very unstable aircraft and has an AOA limiter to avoid over pulling at high speed

[@an000n]

@@kingghidorah8106all modern aircraft have an aoa limiter. That’s how the F-16 beat the F-35. They were still calibrating the F-35s limiter and it set to max

[@harrymack3565]

@@an000n In a straight dogfight the f16 is gonna beat an f35 pretty much no matter what. The f35 just isn't meant to be a dog fighter. It can clown on any other plane in a BVR situation but in a turn fight it would lose to plenty of fourth gen fighters.

[@1985_Honda_CRX_Si]

as soon as i saw that red wing i knew it was over

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

Literally commented the same thing lmao

[@Fearless1247]

Solo wing pixy?

[@captainalex0018]

Live footage of a lvl 15 player after buying an F-4S

[@arandomracoon1836]

lvl 15 is a bit too high try lvl 8

[@Suprisename]

@@arandomracoon1836 nah try lvl 2

[@sooryan_1018]

Lvl 0 with a few hundred points of experience

[@thejunglecommando]

I was lvl 39 when I bought the F-5C and was at around 6.7 and this was before the F-4S was a thing, is this acceptable 🤔

[@sooryan_1018]

@@thejunglecommando yea, same when I bought the MiG-21S

[@lil_dingie901]

The 100% throttle is killing me😂

[@coookalo]

still doing it at the end has to be a troll

[@benburkett-db2oq]

I don’t know why, but I really want to teach him how to play some top tier nets and teach him missle and radar mechanics. That just feels like it would be fun to show him how it all works.

[@Average_Crack_Addict]

I've had a friend who mainly plays 11.7BR I remember he invited me to his house and he wanted to teach me how to use jets (im a sucker at 6.3BR). To simply put it, it was like explaining a 16 century peasant kpop, he would just die.

[@boravedat2931]

can you teach me?

[@alanwatts8239]

He definately knows how it works lol he tricked yall

[@evilchickengod2891]

I dont even know if i should be using mouse or wasd for control

[@Exvizit]

3:27 “I’ve noticed when I lose control my turning tends to work better” Defyn: *No*

[@falin9557]

Your missiles weren't locking because you weren't aiming them. The small circle is the locking area and the big circle is the the area where the locks doesn't get lost after locking. You activate the missile, point the small circle at the aircraft and if it stops flashing, you can launch it

[@MaplePanda04]

Try this with tanks sometime!! It would be super interesting to see if a noob in a BVM can reliably beat an experienced player in a T-55 or something.

[@ivoryrick7734]

tanks r way more intuitive than top tier jets, i dont think it would work tbh

[@jerrydabear7724]

ive beaten bvm's with panzer 4s. Just turn off your engine and ambush them through the side.

[@qt9734]

Ho-Ro has entered the chat

[@LogI_Bear]

just make dyfn do a tank battle with muffin:)

[@AMFHGI]

@@LogI_Bear well, defyn's MBT is actually pretty good.

[@Mashedpotata]

Holding WEP the entire time means youll always be turning as slowly as possible. The reason turning seemed better when you blacked out was because the plane lost almost half its speed each time. Slower speeds = higher turn rate but dont go so slow that you stall

[@DE787-8]

For heatseekers, point the little circle in the big circle at the enemy and wait for the tone to change, that's when it's locked. You can also use your radar which, if locked on (use the box thing defyn was talking about), will point the little circle at the enemy automatically. Then same thing about waiting for tone then launching.

[@xlgapelsin6173]

To be fair heatseekers have a really hard time locking onto props

[@SonamGyeltshen-kw8xi]

Defyn, Defyn, Defyn!! Thanks for choosing him, he is my favorite war thunder youtuber player.

[@vladioanalexandru4222]

It amazes me how he still turns into his enemy's sightline even if he is faster. I'm a noob too, but since I've learnt to just build distance when I mess up a run, my matches go a lot better.

[@LubosMudrak]

I once played a match where people were actually taking care to not get killed in the first 30 seconds. When the round was over, half of the planes were still flying. Top tiers are crazy.

[@wonghy1115]

This is the result of level 9s buying an F4S or something lmfao good seeing how their perspective is… also this video reminds me of when I was learning to fly a prop for the first time

[@mile.9768]

Absolutely hilarious, looking forwards to more content like this

[@JulianSeib-qw3ku]

Bro didn‘t even trieded to lock him with a missle. Tipp: the AIM9L is all aspect and you need to put the inner circle on target in a range of 3-5 km

[@soldat88hun]

not really, it won't lock a prop at all over 1km, they are too cold

[@fabihubi7039]

That's an interesting video. Really nice done. One little thing though, the P-51 DEFYN flied is at an BR of 6.3 if I remember correctly. It's the P-51H-5. Also the Bf-109 was the K variant which sits at 5.7 or 5.3.

[@Onabudget911]

yeah

[@_GODSFIGHTER]

So awesomen and glad you brought defyn. I definitely think he's the best pilot. Hilarious and its weird at the same time you flying the f16 and not know the controls or how to fly but still hilarious in a good way of course.

[@JasonScroggins-c4i]

"I noticed when I lose control...my turning tends to work better" Dewyn: "No" 😳😳😳

[@psychzach1588]

Now I know why there's a minimum IQ for the military. Because this was unbelievably painful to watch.

[@eriknulty6392]

i know he hasnt played planes but,...HAS HE NEVER EVEN SEEN A PLANE BEING USED????

[@ashleybonhomme4906]

It’s not the plane it’s the pilot🎉

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

As soon as I saw the decal I knew Defyn was gonna wipe the floor

[@UsBallVilockea24]

“Send you back to the hanger” *gets killed* 💀

[@caralho5237]

This is less like "i can bench press 10x than you" and more like "i can run a marathon while you're still a toddler crawling and crying for momma"

[@tonyyi9113]

I love how muffin just keeps his after burner on

[@Allthegoodhandlesaretakenlmao]

"wait, you're behind me?" - famous last words

[@mrbunny6203]

I think it's time Defyn give some 1to1 gameplay advice to muffin by analyzing some matches

[@lyghtz7000]

true would be a great vid

[@Caktusdud.]

DEFYN flight school. Honestly I need the help.

[@Officer_duh]

“Wait you’re behind me?” -moments before disaster

[@The_Pantologist57]

Imagine Defyn continues to teach him and we see the results like 2-3 months later playing almost as good as Defyn. It would honestly be satisfying to see him go from playing this bad to like "whoa whos that"

[@KGmVN]

imagine u using a jet and got killed by a biplane XD

[@Caktusdud.]

It's OK, I hunt jets all the time. Although the only aircraft I'm struggling to kill is the F-4 phantom the bloody just doesn't die.

[@pyon2077]

@@Caktusdud. it still amazes me that he missed all his shots horribly, like when I thought he said he was a noob, I didn’t think that meant he had zero experience

[@1800jk]

To be fair. The F-16 is probably the worst top tog plane for a newb. The physics change so drastically for certain airspeeds (unlike in real life) every other airframe loses speed and gets AOA (Air drifting)

[@marcellorosz1075]

I have noticed that for most of the dogfights you kept your afterburner on. If you want to turn better you should brake and slow down during dogfights

[@F1ery2023]

"i notice when i lose control my turning tends to work better" "no" 😂😂

[@gabrielowen3810]

Its really nice to see defyn laughing, we dont see that in his videos.

[@dylanhilton220]

To help you with the Gs, don't be constantly in full throttle while turning. It actually makes your turns wider too, which is why you felt that your turning was better after losing control/consciousness, because your engine wasn't at full aug (full augmented flight) and you were able to turn tighter

[@ashleybonhomme4906]

Love the vids

[@ashleybonhomme4906]

First

[@WonkOfWonkyness]

This shows how the quality of the F-15 isn't the only reason it has a spotless record but also because the pilots chosen for use of the aircraft also were the best of the best.

[@meepy2739]

My dad used to say" it's not the plane it's the pilot" since I was 6 didn't believe him untill top gun2 came out.

[@SteamDemon970]

"holy that jet is fast" thats how I felt when I played customs in the P-51C-10

[@AviationInsanity]

"i turn faster when i black out" thats because the tighest turns can pull many gs which can be fatal lmao

[@gloken8375]

I mean Smigol is out there dominating whole teams with his prop

[@beans_gaming2345]

bro took "its not the plane its the pilot" to a different level

[@borisglevrk]

The "noob" literally missed like 10 chances of stuffing you a missile head-on...

[@funiman6783]

when using missile seeker put your target in the smaller red circle also dont use afterburner in turnfights

[@evil713]

"First thing is sending you back to the hanger..." MISSILE!!! lol

[@jhonnybravo69]

this video for some reason is triggering me

[@UberDAHnooB]

Did Defyn tell you about key controls in addition to the mouse?

[@PotatoL0rd]

I LOVE HIS CONTENT SO AMAZING!!!

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you!

[@DaOideRassl]

A bad pilot would have won at least half of the engagements. Too bad muffin has never touched a jet before.

[@The-Master-Chief]

I have beater multiple mig 21s and f16s plus warthogs in the BF 109 F4, most of the time I loop around them in a dive and get to an intersection point where I kill them with an small spray of bullets and to evade missiles, well let’s say there’s a lot of “evasive action”

[@The-Master-Chief]

Also killed a dozen of low tier American jets.

[@StefanRial-i4f]

Man he could have at least allowed you to play the tutorial xD

[@RyllenKriel]

In that F-16 you're like an Iron... like a Playdough Eagle!

[@Prussian_edits]

“My engines gone” 0.1 second’s later: looses left wing

[@LogI_Bear]

thanks for being somwhat humble about your skills:) i can think of a few people who woulde edit all thier mistakes, so thanks:)

[@AerotechGuru1]

6:34 bro did a perfect kovcher bell without even knowing..

[@festivebear9946]

Man's got afterburner on at every moment and wondering why he can't turn. My brother in Christ, you are attempting to dogfight in a rocket

[@sekutard5157]

5:36 HE JUST WONT GIVE UP WITH THAT STATEMENT THE CAUSE AND EFFECT

[@JadedDark]

Defyn exercising humility while ensuring multiple Letters of Condolences get mailed out to Muffin's fam.

[@NFLJacksonSmith13]

"Wait your behind me?" Famous last words

[@hunterhandal7869]

No joke ww2 planes are actually king of the skies with jets they can’t get locked on to, they have a faster turn rate and if a jet is on your tell it’s so easy to make them overshoot it

[@elliotthope1]

"It's not the ride, it's the rider" - Sean Boswell. Fast and furious: Tokyo Drift

[@angelapolinar5343]

Fun fact, the only time I've ever won against an F-16 in a fight, I was flying the A-36. I've shot down some weird stuff with the A-36, such as a Harrier, some Ka-50s, an F-14, multiple Sabres, a Russian radar missile, and whatever the French top tier heli is.

[@appa609]

"I'm below you" *Pushes -4g's straight down*

[@atomgutan8064]

This shows the crazy technological progress.

[@a_catfish5180]

“You’re behind me?” *fssssssh boom* Update I’ve never been so livid about him having tone and not doing anything he fired maybe 4-5 missiles and often hilariously late

[@grimmthekitsune2620]

The BI uses a twin 20mm, and it is capable of destroying aircraft with minimal firing, it just looks like DEF is using AP ammunition for it or wasn't leading enough. 7:16

[@Sapphiresoul2]

Now how did you grow so fast! I made a 2nd channel called ThunderMuffin but I didn't know you were a thing now I gotta re-brand

[@JohnDoe-fl1rl]

I love how he thinks the pro was helping, but if he was, he would have told him to lead his shots god dam watching this was painful.

[@cjthegoat5622]

i feel like before even recording he shouldve went to the beginner tutorial so he would atleast have a slight chance on beating him

[@aspecimen6939]

2:31 that was cold

[@windrunner745]

My man has 10x my FPs and half my ping but complains that aiming is hard xD nice video though, this was funny thanks for being tilt proof

[@zacharymarino8926]

Me this entire video: "just put the *fuckin" plane in the- just put it in the small... Yeah you got a lock! Nope, there it goes... Man, just put them in the FUCKIN small circle"

[@gabrielphoenix976]

fun tip to avoid losing control in a turn: feather your pull down button, for me its control and it allows me to turn very sharply for a prolonged amount of time. also you don't turn faster when you lose control

[@Russão000]

Its very satsfatory put a Yak-9K to fly against a F-4 Phantom, He tryies to Dogfight, u just Goes in his back while hes try to Turn, Just take the correction and One shot it

[@the_jingo]

Lmao he managed to beat Defyn in bi plane that’s great

[@phantomsrage6523]

he was so incredibly oblivious to devyns smoke cloud

[@zeyhus2890]

The cut @4:56 I can’t 😂

[@robertgaudet7407]

Mustang has so many advantages here. Problem is there’s no reason a good F-16 pilot would be caught by him and want to take that fight. But here our unfortunate noob is essentially forced to turn.

[@charliewaywood9196]

i tortured myself watching this man try to gun a plane down several times

[@Kio_vidz]

Psychiatrist stopped texting me back after i showed him THIS:

[@gosshawk]

Haha i was going to say how this reminds me of defyns videos where he plays a really bad plane but still does well and then its actually defyn

[@blackoutlol2857]

I mean this point is proven in the in game awards for killing people at a higher rank than you titled “rank does not matter” and “skill matters” (depending on how far apart the ranks are).

[@ThroughTheGatesOfHell]

seeing him going at the same speed while trying to turn is pain, also going at 1300 km/h against WWII planes is just funny

[@Wanted_wont31]

Most of the time in top tier it’s gonna be the plane and a bit of skill but in props it’s even between skill and the plane

[@soldat88hun]

well, yeah, from early jets it's basically waiting for the downtiered guy to make a mistake since you have zero tools on your side to do anything

[@seawolf4846]

"Your behind me?!" - Muffin

[@Ezraaaaaaaaaaaa]

You gotta turn that afterburner off when turning, you wanna go slower on turns so they're sharper

[@evanwhittaker5287]

"I am literally just a helicopter" lmao

[@tristanwentworth2346]

I didnt even notice this was muffin i used to watch ur wotb videos all the time

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Cool and glad you saw another one of mine again

[@hypeairsoftandgaming]

this was very painful to watch i get that he is supposed to be a noob but doesnt he make content around war thunder id expect him to know a little bit more then he seems to know in this video