Airspace Changes at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport

[@brentsmith4206]

This could have been an email... We're shutting down a VOR.

[@Hoops4915]

Yep but that don't work locally.

[@biffhenderson1144]

Danger! What happens when the PDN satellite system goes down? Single point of failure? Who owns or charges for the service provided by the PDN satellite system? As a monopoly, what keeps them from increasing the rates?

[@IceCanBeFrozen]

I figured it out! Go to your IFR chart and look at the green letters for an airport. At the top it will say MON if it has a vor that's part of the network. Use KGRB as an example.

[@Hoops4915]

There is a MON program in place to backup throughout the continental United States. Google vor mon program for more info.

[@Hoops4915]

VOR MON program. Look it up talks about a backup system.

[@iNcog_AoE]

please don't take too many of our VORs away :(

[@jeffreywonser3241]

Too late.

[@bradbel]

Seems like a real backup risk. I know it’s expensive but…

[@jeffreywonser3241]

@bradbel , agree, but they don't ask me. This is the next step in "fix on fail". What happens if the satellites need to be degraded? Not as many backups. But, we'll just "make it work" if something happens. That's what they're counting on.

[@blazerbarrel2]

You need a back up from failure .

[@jeffreywonser3241]

@@blazerbarrel2 You'd think. That costs money the FAA is unwilling to spend. Sadly, it's cheaper to wait for something to happen and pay off whatever lawsuit for loss of life vs. paying to provide a backup to failure.

[@helodriver41]

No mention of any actual change. Waste of time

[@Hoops4915]

@@helodriver41 kzbin.infoRgNmJbVVZcU?si=ajnpU8p0ZZZTmiqJ

[@joandantonio3651]

Many Thanks for all the pilots and controllers who keep the flying public safe!!!!

[@tomt295]

Why doesn’t the article tell us what we want to know? What are the changes they hope to make?

[@Hoops4915]

kzbin.infoRgNmJbVVZcU?si=A9hdENVCqgoWdDFE The public workshop that this video was a part of.

[@colin9072]

Please no complicated arrivals and departures keep it simple

[@_Schreintime]

They are only denergizing it, to be used again post EMP blast.

[@soccerguy2433]

are the traffic flow maps publicly available?

[@darrenberquist1000]

This could have been a 1 minute short.

[@decoeric]

booo, I love listening to the morse code from the VOR...

[@aaronberg221]

I live within 1 mile from the end of the main runways. I've never been reached out to or given mailed to for any commentary of any kind including noise. There is a lot of propaganda in this video. That said the vor going away and changing to GPS has been planned for many years.

[@gus473]

Is it just me, or are half of these comments and replies spammy agitprop? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@gtm624]

If I had elons money. I would restore every VOR that has been closed down.

[@johnnytoobad7785]

Yup..Let's use satellites which can be "knocked out" by by either China and/or Russia

[@gtm624]

Already happening. GPS jamming is becoming a big problem at airports and just in general. I have had gps failure so many times while flying.

[@jamesnicklas2596]

People who decide to live near busy airports namely Class B airspaces sort of deserve what they get. No one forces you to live there. Planes have engines that are loud. Life is full of choices and consequences. If you want total peace and quiet then move out of the Metro.

[@VAPilot22]

I hate progress.

[@johnnytoobad7785]

The bottom line is...we want more take-offs & landings per hour. And WE (the government) don't give a rats who is "inconvenienced" by this. We have the lobbyists. YOU (the taxpayer) DON'T.

[@JamesFiloteo-uo6sp]

Demand for more landing slots actually comes from the airlines (which is generally, but not always. driven by the passengers). FAA/Airports are the supply side. Generally fewer landing slots increases airfares (less supply to service a given demand). It's an interesting area of economics b/c noise is an externality. The number of TO/LDGs could be decreased but the fares would go up. Or they could be spread out to more airports (possibly requiring expansion of those airports, taking up more land), which would spread the noise around - but people not currently exposed to the noise would now be getting it. Concentrating noise in one area leaves other areas quieter. Everything is a tradeoff.

[@Hoops4915]

​@JamesFiloteo-uo6sp great answer.

[@Micg51]

This video was pointless. Any word on getting RNAV SIDs in the future?

[@Hoops4915]

@Micg51 yes please see the associated workshop with this video.

[@Hoops4915]

kzbin.infomsQx9UT3OsM?si=6oFAKQxuZQbOOk90

[@jimhofer8496]

FAA, please use more professional audio. This sounds echoey and like something that Elon Musk and Don Trump would do. Do better!

[@stephengnb]

But then Musk and Trump and their minions will complain that the FAA is wasting taxpayers' money. Then they will argue we need to get rid of the FAA and let airlines run everything themselves.

[@michaelpalus7929]

Absolutely horrible Drop off and pick up of people!!

[@Blue37801]

What the hell is going on? Since 5am, so 16 hours and counting, a plane has landed from the NW, over the most densely populated area of Mpls, every 90sec to 3minutes. ALL DAY… This is unfair. It’s not right. It makes living here miserable. It’s decreasing home values. Linden Hills used to be coveted. This is not fair- I pray some fairness is brought forward to everyone living near MSP can share the pain, not just a small geo area that is completely disproportionate!

[@ajfurnari2448]

Did you not notice the big airport you're 5 miles away from?

[@Blue37801]

@@ajfurnari2448 don’t be a jerk. There was limited traffic when I moved here years ago. The routes changed and have gotten worse over the years. Educate yourself before making stupid comments and maybe read what I wrote slower so you can absorb it

[@mnaviator3759]

Not sure if you already know this, but since the beginning of summer MSP closed 12L/30R 4/22. MSP had to adjust making arrivals and departures only for two runways: 12R/30L and 17/35. Depending on the winds this can make it very congested for arrivals and departures.

[@Blue37801]

@@mnaviator3759 thank you. I hope things resolve, both runways face the same directions. Planes used to arrive from the south but that runway apparently closed.

[@wingsleveladventures]

@@Blue37801 yes because of ongoing maintenence and resurfacing projects. Also flows depend on the wind and tracon needs so aircraft will not always arrive and depart on the same sids and stars