GameSir Cyclone (and Pro) Controller Review-Wireless and Hall Effect $40

Now with 7 controllers in the $40-70 entry level GameSir drops the Cyclone and Pro version both sporting hall effect anti drift thumb sticks, and 3 mode connectivity. This is the most in depth comprehensive review of these controllers on KZbin.
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0:00 Intro
0:54 Disclaimer
1:08 Summary and Model Differences
4:08 Unboxing and Included Accessories
6:10 Cosmetics
6:40 Comfort (compared to G7)
8:01 Build Quality & Warranty
8:32 Dpad
9:14 Face buttons
10:07 Accessory Buttons
10:57 Thumb-sticks
11:53 Kontrol Freeks
12:24 Gamepad Tester
13:12 Bumpers &Triggers
13:40 Rear Buttons
15:56 Software Program
19:36 Battery Life
19:49 Input Delay
22:32 Overclock
22:45 Connections
23:36 Verdict
26:04 Outro
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[@kevingauvreau2156]

What a great video! Thank you for detailing all aspects about these Gamesir controllers!

[@robertellis9750]

Please gamesir, please put 4, I say again, FOUR buttons on the back. You guys could seriously just take over the controller market or at least force everyone else to stop the other guys charging $200+

[@hectorzapata154]

Listen if this happened it would change the game forever

[@robertellis9750]

@hectorzapata154 I think they could put 4 back buttons, tactile switches and HE sticks, double their price to $80 and still kill it

[@kevo1110]

Amazon listing and respective images says the T4 Pro has 4 back buttons.

[@robertellis9750]

@kevo1110 for 36 dollars I'm buying one. I didn't see if it had tactile buttons, but it said no HEs. Has big stallion reviewed this model?

[@hectorzapata154]

@robertellis9750 I completely agree with you they probably could, but let's be real. Will it happen? NOPE. THAT BEING SAID. I would eat my shorts if it happened 😋.

[@HRFMumbles]

Im astounded that GameSir haven't gone all in and made an ultimate tier controller. The T4 Kaleid is ny favourite controller of all time and I'm certain they would clean up if they went for a controller with all the top tier features.

[@elysian3623]

Honestly it would be insane if they just recreated it but with a battery and a really hot wireless chip to hit 250hz wireless and consistent, if they did that they would be able to sell it for a decent chunk more and people wouldn't complain because $80 for one of the best wireless controllers possibly ever would be fair for a lot of people, hell the T4k dropped to £35 in the UK amazon store the week after I bought it, insane value

[@j_crust4582]

T4K is so good

[@SneekyKeeky]

Great review as usual. You are very informative while being very entertaining at the same time. Great content.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thank you Mythos Films

[@Volker_A4]

I definetly agree that the g7 is super comfortable. It would be great if they made one with more advanced features. Personally I'd love to see top buttons.

[@burningthumbs]

Nearly 100k!! I've been watching this channel slowly grow for a while now. So happy for you! 👍 One of the funniest (and informative) guys around. Hope you hit it soon!!

[@elishaduncan2479]

Good review of those controllers keep up the amazing work.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

I appreciate that, I will

[@jor305]

I was waiting for this one... Thank you so much

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

You're welcome 😊

[@outbakbandit9879]

Appreciate all the work you put in mate!

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thank you

[@mahfkr]

I love and hate that I found your channel. Very informative reviews that are easy to watch, but you have reviewed SO many controllers that now I don’t know wtf I want 😂 I would buy a g7 se if they had trigger stops. Instinct Pro button design seems strange but appealing at the same time, just hard to justify that price point when the Fusion Pro 3 exists.

[@Dimondzz]

with the gamesir g7 se, in the software if you go to the triggers section, there’s an option called “hair triggers” and with that setting on, it will act just like trigger stops without the trigger actually stopping. i hope this makes sense😂

[@mahfkr]

@@Dimondzz I know what you mean. That does give a great benefit, but for me personally, I have gotten used to the feeling of the triggers physically stopping at a certain point. The physical stop makes it easier for me to rapidly fire the trigger as well.

[@arwenosman]

Is the G7 SE worth it? i have 2 controllers and both got stick drift and they’re completely unplayable, i usually play FPS games like Rainbow Six Siege and Call of Duty games and now i don’t know what controller to buy, I don’t want to buy a default Xbox Series S/X controller because i want to completely Avoid Stick drift Does the G7 SE have any problems? Like can i use that controller for at least 2 years?

[@karambadodox]

Great review, I'm going to go with the Kaleid after seeing this one. But a suggestion, can you start including Gyro tests in the reviews? :) Do you have any plans on reviewing the Fantech Nova WGP14?

[@rafaelsantosx]

He should indeed test the gyro, although I think most of these are about the same.

[@Mark-mu4pj]

Great video dude ✌️

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thank you Mark

[@andrewmoon3409]

freakishly light triggers, and a frictiony ring around the sticks, 4 vibration motors, sounds like the perfect racing controller

[@andrewmoon3409]

Update: not perfect! 25% of the trigger is a deadzone :/

[@user-eu9sh1ji3x]

Please, can you explain more? because I do not understand ​@@andrewmoon3409

[@aymansofyan7327]

Hey bro, please give me recommendation gamepad for racing games. I need that heavy triggers so i can take full control over the gas and brake, and of course no deadzone. Cuz nobody talks about the amount of resistance/pressure in triggers🙏

[@andrewmoon3409]

I am a top 100 driver in forza motorsport and I tend to lean toward the xbox elite v2 with the tall left stick as well, its a very heavy and smooth controller however the sticks are not hall effect, that is the only draw back. if you are on PC and want to take racing seriously, you might consider a cammus c5 DD wheel, with a cammus desk clamp, and Fanatec CSL Elite V2 Pedals( a cheap fanatec bundle with these pedals is also ok if u have budget, and a next level racing gt lite pro for a frame. this is the cheapest way to get into racing seriously with a controller or a wheel. @@aymansofyan7327

[@ElemehNough]

You saying not to skip actually speed me from skipping 😂

[@PsychOnLocko]

Great review.

[@LanceUppercut]

I just came across this controller, and as a huge fan of their T4K (in spite of it being wired), I was psyched. I'm glad I thought I should check what you had to say first, because being wireless seems like the only reason I would get this. (I rarely ever NEED wireless, I just like covering my bases). Every aspect (sans having Hall sticks and triggers) seems worse than the T4K. Until a better double-Hall wireless (mid price) controller comes out, I'll just use my Vader 2 when I want/need to be further from my laptop. That, or somehow find a 10ft+ USB C cable that actually fits in the inset port of the T4K!

[@rafaelsantosx]

I have a Baseus 100w C type cable that fits normally on the T4 Kaleid. Bought them from Aliexpress.

[@batman.darthmaul]

There is a white version of the Pro. I just got mine from amazon. This controller seems identical T4 Kaleid, which I also own. The only thing I didn't really like about the Kaleid was the cosmetics and RGB. I love the white/grey on the Pro. This is now my favorite gamepad.

[@sixfour4740]

🔥vid bro

[@Terabyte47]

just got non pro, love it. i have bigger hands and the bottom "sharper edge" on the handles i find actually really comfortable. Also to anyone thinking of buying one and needing to configure it with their phone, the app isnt on the play store any more for some reason. my only gripe is i wish it had the anti friction rings.

[@peterpanda7475]

Does it have the software on PC?

[@aftalavera]

Meleeh you are funny as well Gamer. Thanks for your great content!

[@justinroach9344]

Ijust go the g7se yesterday and I love it

[@kcksteve7]

G7 & G7 SE still don't have 1000hz (or any) polling option in the app. The t4k does have this option though. I have the G7SE and T4K. I find the G7 SE dpad to be far superior, even though you don't get a positive a click the diagonals are far more consistent. I play a lot of shmups and live or die by those movements. Honestly don't care for the mechanical buttons on the T4K either they have a nice sound but basically no feel at all. The membrane on the G7SE are much more tactile. Also circularity only tests at full lock, these controllers are a little wonky if you try and draw a circle at half way, they did release a patch to help with this but it's till a bit weird. They are damn near perfect a full lock though.

[@Jay7ona]

so what controller do you prefer for shooters?...im looking to dabble between these two controllers to see if they take me away from kbm

[@kcksteve7]

@Jay7ona g7se is great for shmups. The power a enhanced controller has a great dpad as well. I have picked up a few of them for 20$ on sale. For full price the g7se is the winner hand down

[@META313.]

Where does Gamesir T4 DJ Khaled sit in this lineup? Especially in terms of competitive performance? Is it better than G7 SE or identical?

[@unkrazy2782]

fortunaly i've decided buy a t4 kaleid over this one to play at pc since i already have g7 SE that is fenomenal even without 1000hz as t4 kaleid, guess I'll have the best hall controllers by gamesir for while 🙏

[@kevinstoops7216]

I love the t4 Kaleid as well. It's my main for now. I wish we could get 2 extra optional buttons at the back and triggers that don't hurt my hand after hours of Rocket League (The little dots on the plastic).

[@B1INK]

Yes I own the t4 aswell it’s amazing

[@ElectroLM10]

I'm undecided between both the T4 Kaleid and the G7 SE for PC gaming, which one do you prefer since you have both?

[@izpcshop7326]

T4K is gonna be much better. It has the mechanical buttons and higher polling rate. also, rgb looks sick@@ElectroLM10

[@ElectroLM10]

Thank you, it's also wireless which makes it even better@@izpcshop7326

[@ttilta]

I'm not a hardcore gamer, and was looking into getting this the EasySMX X10, the GameSir T4 Cyclone Pro or the FlyDigi Direwolf 2. Which would you recommend of the three? I'm not interested in customizing buttons, just want the best controller for the price.

[@metroplex29]

I bought 4 of these just becuz and they are very cool!

[@ivana6141]

Are you getting the new gamesir g8 sent to you? It hasn't been release yet only announced.

[@RealziesCuts]

Turns out I have medium size hands, because for the first week or more of the G7 was totally bothering me with cramping 💫 Otherwise, it is a Great Controller I was just shocked that you can’t actually change the range on the triggers with locks You get what you pay for with Gamesir

[@jamesstead-yv4fl]

And medium size 🍌🥳

[@wilazn]

Damn I just bought a vader 3 pro after watching your video on them.

[@jd5787]

Hi! Any good wireless controller since these don't match the G7 to use on a repurposed PC to be used for emulation please? Thank you!

[@elijahkurdi4277]

You mentioned you can change the polling rate in the app for the g7se. Can you explain how to do that?

[@gtx21]

Can you do Nacon Revolution Pro 5 (PS5 & PC controller) who has the most strangest d-pad i ever seen (it was designed by a pro street fighter player which I'm very sceptical that will make you do "Hadoken" much easier)😅. Always like the Xbox layout of the sticks that PS layout sticks, plus much bigger buttons. Thank you kindly, as always great reviews 10/10 for me without sugar coating the "good & bad"

[@x13Rasor]

By chance, do you know the dimensions of your tower? Some of those PC cases are pretty sick, if and when price doesn't matter haha. (Could've built a new rig if it wasn't for all these new gamepads coming out...)

[@WatchMysh]

Love your reviews! Was hoping for a wireless G7 SE. It's awesome but I don't want something wired. And the Vader 3 Pro is soooo ugly. Well... Guess I'll have to wait further. I'd be okay with a standard Xbox controller just with hall sensors.

[@feintexp-2530]

Maybe the Gulikit KK3 MAX is gonna have what you want

[@j.a.styles547]

Almost gonna impulse buy, thanks for your review, I'll stick with my g7, and wait for a wireless g7nor something , ill stick with my 8bido ultimate for wireless.

[@siabee421]

You had a good review on the gamesir t4 kaleid. Why is the t4 cyclone pro is not as good as the t4 kaleid when they're basically the same controller?

[@Grimlo9ic]

Yeah, I noticed that as well. The Kaleid uses the same microswitches as the Pro - same actuation force and travel distance. They also use the same shell. I guess what the Kaleid has over the Cyclones (for now) is the pretty good PC app, and the ability to overclock it out of the box with that software. Eventually with enough complaining, we may be able to get Gamesir to update the Cyclones to be compatible with their Nexus app too. I don't suppose that all these controllers use very different components in their mainboards for that to be difficult/impossible.

[@mkatakm]

No timestamps on the video, so I am giving it 5 out of 10.

[@Jay7ona]

duno why i laughed out loud to this comment more than i should.

[@Gidrah]

Love your videos. I dont know if its just me but current mic settings make your lip smacking noises pretty loud. In comparison to your intro segment where you say "Mm you dont like back paddles? how about theb rear buttons?" which sounds more natural and easier to listen to."just my feedback, keep up the great work.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Glad to hear that! Yeah I'll fix that man

[@shura4136]

whats a good hall effect sticks wireless xbox controller similar to the gamesir g7 se ?

[@himboslice_]

gamesir needs to make a premium offering between 100-150 with all the features we want. 4 paddles. mechanical/clicky switches etc

[@sdnyskye]

The "Nacon Revolution 5 Pro" controller just came out, will you make a in depth review of it soon? :3

[@karu6111]

You're blowing away the smoke from around all these gamepads. Usually just buy the defaults, the dualsense/xbox ones because I just don't know what I'm getting with other brands.

[@metroplex29]

Wow really? No one cares bud.

[@cyzcyt]

Can't Wait till the controller people figured out about rapid triggers with hall effect triggers like what they are doing on gaming keyboards now

[@douglasmartins4688]

5:36 I have a Gamesir G4s and you can store the dongle in the controller itself, same thing for my wireless mouse. I would like all controllers that have dongles to have this feature. It's just smart

[@koukisakurai6371]

The back button is a hot key or not ? Because I can’t use as a extra button. It just only for mapping

[@Rustydude2030]

Was about to snag one of the regular G7 wired versions after hearing you say that its about the same price, same core features, but actually better in a few areas. Looking at their website, it looks like they have swapped out the hall effect sticks for alps now. So if you want hall effect, have to go with G7 SE or these Cyclones. OR the T4 Kaleid, which is on sale for $41, which I'm going to buy...

[@Rustydude2030]

Update: Kaleid is $33 rn on AMZN!

[@DaRockCandy]

Regular G7 non SE has always used alps potentiometers. SE version introduced the Hall effect modules.

[@batman.darthmaul]

The T4 Kaleid is a great controller. I would highly recommend it.

[@TheBiigBadWolf]

The T4 kaleid is the best bang for the buck for me lol very low ms under 1, rgb lol, back buttons, electromagneto sticks lol, and clicky buttons.

[@TheBiigBadWolf]

Also, my friends whenever they hold the controller they right think i spent an arm and a leg for the controller…. $40 bucks little man!

[@smokinjoeblues]

What are your thoughts on the Mobapad Chitu HD?

[@firyxx]

Did you check if the trigger vibration functions like the xbox impulse triggers?

[@teguhep9444]

I just bought gamesir t4 cyclone pro but the left trigger is not working, is that defect gamepad or any trick to enable the left trigger?

[@slayertwix5491]

I have the G7 and I just got my Cyclone and it feels more confortable for me, I think it's a matter of hand sizes

[@dezen7574]

Thoughts on the new Nacon controller for the ps5 featuring Hall effect sticks ?

[@heart_broken_magoo3415]

As you're in gamepad tester and it says Xbox controller, is that because the controller is in xinput mode or is it from some third party application? If it's because of xinput, does that mean it'll work for things like Xbox cloud streaming on the computer?

[@HiramTuaPR]

Is there a way I can use the Turtle Beach Recon Cloud via Bluetooth on a PC? Because I can connect it but it doesn't do anything

[@SHNAKE_GTA]

The Pause and Select button are way too high on all these. My g7 se is great but I can't use it for long, stretching my thumbs too far is tiring!

[@flipper4502]

i wonder when gamesir will come out with 1000hz and 4 back buttons xbox shape!!!!!

[@fernandabatalha5565]

It also works with the Brooks XE 2 adapter in bluetooth mode?

[@selfdestructivef0rce]

So im looking for a switch controller with hall effect sticks that i can also use for the ps4 with an adapter any suggestions?

[@COREcasual]

When you sit down to play your game of choice, what is your go-to controller?

[@The_One24]

We need a scuf envision review. Also would want to know if the joysticks could be changed to Hall effect.

[@toolanddie9789]

In your opinion what is the best ps5 controller with 4 back paddles for fps?

[@irvingcruz3991]

Would the brook adapter work on the PS5 with the GameSir G7 SE or the GameSir T4 Cyclone and Cyclone pro

[@TheRealPaull]

ya gotta review the nacon revolution 5 pro when you can get your hands on it (officialy licensed ps5 controller with hall effect sticks/triggers) mine just shipped

[@chuck41891]

Hello this game pad doesn't work with Xbox. I bought it for my Xbox based on your review. I would appreciate if you made sure before reviewing also I know I should have researched it more myself but yeah.

[@zacktumbarello5095]

When is a damn company gonna make a controller that has 1000hz polling rate, Hall effect joysticks, mouse click trigger stops and 4 back paddles that would be the perfect controller for me but nothing has it all in one

[@feintexp-2530]

Well, the Flydigi Vader 3 Pro has half of the things you mentioned, the exceptions are the polling rate which has 500hz instead of 1000hz and also has back buttons instead of paddles. If you're okay with that then go for that controller, but if not and want one with those exact specs then you gotta wait till the Gulikit KK3 MAX comes out which I estimate is gonna be by next year

[@MKMadness]

So what's the best Xbox controller around the price?

[@brikonikgaming]

Is their anyway I could connect the Cyclone Pro to my Xbox Series X wirelessly?

[@NotShanasty]

I still have yet to be able to crank my polling rate to 1000hz on my game sir nexus app for my G7 SE. can anyone help?

[@kennymorelandiii9406]

Im broke as hell (got laid off last month) but once i get back on my feet im definitely going to grab one of these gamesir controllers. I need a controller for Xbox as my kids beat the hell out of the previous one haha and for $40 I dont see how these controllers can be beat

[@travisingram2920]

Is there any wireless controller with hall effect stick that is compatible with x box one x?

[@aymansofyan7327]

How the trigger pressure/resistance if we compare to PS4 gamepad, gulikit KK3 max, etc?

[@Roshan_NSG]

@GamerHeaven what are the charging light indicators to know what the charging levels are?

[@grimzlo]

Will there ever be a xbox controller with ps5 level input delay and if there is one let me know pleeeasseeee 😅

[@batman.darthmaul]

Are the sticks, D-pad, and face buttons really that different from the T4 Kaleid? That controller got a very favorable review on this channel.

[@rafaelsantosx]

I really thought this was a T4 Kaleid wireless.

[@ljpv78]

Can't some of the bad stuff be fixed with software updates though, the inconsistent wireless readings for example? And one would think they will add support for the Cyclone in the already existing PC app too. I wouldn't return it to the store immediately just for the wireless/software issues reasons at least, it was literally released only a few days ago.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Yes for sure

[@feetenthusiast1015]

hey i just tried today and the coupon code doesnt seem to work?

[@user-cx6rg6mr7d]

is the d pad of pro click or membrane? is it mushy or clicky?

[@KenNakajima07]

Cyclone vs Vader3, who wins?

[@jonatan_1991]

Please compare gamesir t4 cyclone pro with easysmx 9124 pro. Thanks. They both look very similar and both have Hall effect trigger and Hall effect sticks and micro switch buttons. Do yeah, they seem to be veeery similar.

[@rainbowmusic2940]

Is there limited clicks or something bc it said 5 million clicks what does that mean?

[@MeesterMan00]

Thanks for another great review, been in the market for a PC controller and you've covered all the bases. Seems like GameSir should've charged more for what could have been a refined G7/SE with the best features from both. Instead they just made worse controllers overral. I'll probably go with the original G7 per your original rec, although the mechanical face buttons are tempting.

[@GamerHeavenOfficial]

Thank you. Very well said with your take

[@buddiex1469]

I think it boils down to the fact they took steps backward or downward instead of applying all the things they have done very well aside from the HE Sticks and the clicky buttons on the pro

[@MeesterMan00]

@@GamerHeavenOfficial My G7 just came in, dadgum you weren't kidding, it's awesome.

[@Zwim]

​@@MeesterMan00Long time G7 user, RB button is now mushy, otherwise really good controller and served me really well this year. Dpad is a bit lacking.

[@rinosurber7919]

It should also be mentioned that the mapped button is not separate from the reference button. If I set the turbo on the reference button, it also takes over for the mapped one. This is, in my opinion, unsightly, and limits the possibilities of use. That wasn't the case with the T4 pro. I don't understand why some manufacturers implement mapping like this. I've already tested some controllers with this behavior. Only those where you can also set the turbo to the macro key in the combo can do a workaround. For the others, the limitation remains. For example, I don't test such controllers anymore. There are better things on the market with more flexibility

[@kookshow86]

trying to get this thing into x-input mode for wired pc is a job. has anyone figured out how to do this? red blue green idk whats going on with the controller but its buggin a bit

[@dillenchaniceursuabelt9845]

I just want the best Xbox style controller for pc what should I get

[@GARDONITE]

Would i buy cyclone pro or easysmx x10?

[@marksmann6546]

This makes me so sad these guys have made so many controllers, they have the stuff to make the best controller, but are just incapable of doing it. I just want the g7 with clicky buttons and comfortable grips and a not awful d pad

[@edgyjorgensen3286]

I’m right there with ya. Been holding out for a g7se in wireless with 1khz polling and a better dpad.

[@carreraluu]

I wonder if they will make a Hall Effect one similar to the Playstation layout.

[@michealclarke22]

how is it compared to Gulikit King Kong Pro 2?

[@135Jaeger531]

Does g7se have macro support on back buttons?

[@Likitu264]

Not considering costs, what would you choose between the cyclone pro, the Vader 3 pro and the machenike g5 pro

[@Rock79529]

Does it work on Xbox with the dongle?

[@apollo_en]

does any of the 4 controllers have turbo?

[@charliec364]

Do you prefer this or the Flydigi Vader 3 pro you just reviewed?

[@kracked7637]

I have the G7 SE and I like it, but it actually makes my right hand cramp. Maybe the cyclone would be better for me, if it's closer to stock xbox one shape/size

[@hihellothere9569]

I think it only has a phone application because it's meant for phone stuff. The attachments might make it clear

[@bruinranger13]

The converter actually didn’t work for me. Tried to use my PS5 scuf on my xbox series x and when I ads in cod the right stick sensitivity was WILD and I could not aim, even worse than normal. 😂

[@shrinivasexe]

13:30 Oh please, I bought one today and the triggers are pretty much the same resistance as the original Xbox controller.

[@aymansofyan7327]

How the pressure if we compare to PS4 gamepad and gulikit KK3 max?

[@muruhs]

How long did it take you to receive the controllers? I ordered one and its been 8 days, its been in transit in china for 5 days and im in the US the estimated time is 5-7 days, im worried.

[@xaviertoshifty]

Did you get the controller and what you think about it

[@muruhs]

@@xaviertoshifty I have not received the controller and its been over 2 weeks, i messaged them and all they did was send me the tracking number that doesnt update very well and is actually very slow, it spends a couple of days at every location then leaves and goes to another state then goes back to the previous state.

[@xaviertoshifty]

@@muruhs wtf that’s weird lmk whenever you receive it trying to make sure is legit before I order one

[@muruhs]

@@xaviertoshifty finally got the controller, just took over 20 days after i was told 5-7 days, its legit. Their shipping carrier and method of shipping is terrible, unable to track its exact location and time of delivery.

[@randomfaca]

So what I'm personally looking for is a wireless controller with ABXY buttons, thumbsticks and analog triggers that will last longer than the avg Xbox controller. I don't have any consoles, only really use it for racing games on PC. So I really don't care for compatibility nor do I care much about driver customization. I've seen the reviews of these as well as those Flydigi ones but not sure what would be best for my specific case.

[@aymansofyan7327]

Same bro, im just focus playin AC, Carx, and other racing games so i want some heavy resistance triggers for the best control over my gas and brake, zero deadzone on trigger, and lastly the perfect circularity error for accurate corner. In case that you already purchased some gamepad, please let me know what's best for racing games🥂

[@Fliim]

I’m loving it so far. Easy to take apart and swap with OEM Xbox series controller joysticks. I just like the feel of them more than the convex style GameSir uses. Only other gripe is no led control, I also added a thin piece of black paper above the led to dull it a bit. It’s just a little too bright for nighttime gaming sessions. Color charging options would be nice too. Ik different colors means different connection types but still. It also really needs a desktop app, using this only on pc and having to connect to a mobile phone to use software is annoying even though the software isn’t needed once you learn the shortcuts.

[@glenwilliams7204]

ayoo is this only for pc/switch or i can use it on my series x also?

[@llGreyll.]

@@glenwilliams7204ever find out?