Living Environment in the 80s - Cities: Skylines - Altengrad 88

[@Metzelbarsch28]

Altengrad is just the best CS series on KZbin.

[@MrOgrizek]

no doubt

[@heroe2491]

No doubt

[@pearlorions]

no doubt

[@romanrat5613]

For real

[@lar.bi_]

By far

[@saber1885]

WAKE UP BABE NEW ALTENGRAD EPISODE

[@MrOgrizek]

Maaaan, right? It always gets me going!

[@Criticalmusic-m7r]

Oh cool, another episode. Lol

[@Dietsch_]

I really love the historical stories you tell with this series

[@Konrad-z9w]

Late 80s in East Germany taking the train to my grandparents we always had to close all the windows when going through coal and chemical industry areas. Even with closed windows there were black or dark yellow residues everywhere. I can't even imagine living in these areas. Environmental damage wasn't hidable.

[@kbieniu7]

19:20 - This particular place somehow reminded me Ovocni Trh in Prague ;) But yeah, turning squares into parking lots were a thing everywhere. The Main Square in Kraków's Old Town (Rynek Główny) never have been turned into such, but two smaller squares in the proximity have: Mały Rynek and Plac Szczepański used to be parking lots until 2006 and 2008 respectively. Altough, 1980's was also a time when not only the environment protection was a thing, but also the protection of historical sites and monuments. Kraków Old Town was listed on the UNESCO World heritage list in 1978, one of the first in the entire World. Soon after, the value of the Kraków's historical heritage get bigger attention and led to a significant traffic restriction project - first such in Poland. It was introduced in 1988 and included: pedestrian-only zone around the Market Square, limited-entry zone within almost entirety of the Old Town, one-way road layout making the trough-traffic impossible, as well as introduced parking limitations and parking fees. Of course, they are still functioning today - and practically nobody would imagine to bring back cars onto the most important historical streets and squares.

[@robertklein1497]

Did you ever imagine this series becoming such a history-filled and detailed one? Maybe you did, but following this already for several years, since the very first episode, you keep surprising me every episode again. I do not believe there is any other "gameplay" series somewhere else that is so informative and at the same time entertaining. As a western European born in the late 1970's I lived through much of these recent changes but you keep putting the Eastern part of the continent in a perspective that I never really took notice of. Keep this up, your insights in this time-period are extremely insightfull.

[@briannem.6787]

I think the thoughtful inclusion of history has always been there, but as new tools become available and Akruas learns them, the series becomes more and more real looking. (it was hard to do the old town properly- though maybe with modern Intersection Marking Tool it would've been easier?)

[@jimyvanloock3510]

Belgium ranking after Germany in sulfur dioxide actually makes sense, considering coal mining was still an active industry during and after WW2 and local consumption was (and still is) a major aspect of life. Chimneys are everywhere. I live between two homes that use wood burners on a near daily basis. A day without the smell of smoke in the air is a good day.

[@indigo_carmine]

i know its hard to fit all the things in the video but chemical waste was a big problem too. especially czechoslovakia was historically developed in the chemical production sector and the waste handling was many times very questionable and we have troubles with it still to this day. just from top of my head there was an incident that the waste storage was put right besides a river and during heavy rain and flooding it leaked into the river creating a conflict with germany because it flowed there. also in eastern sk the was a plant producing PCBs (pesticides). the plant polluted the nearby reservoir (3nd largest in the country)

[@serebii666]

If you mean that incident that happened last year, you're confusing Czechia for Poland. It was toxic green algae on the Oder river and near canals connecting it to Upper Silesia, that then travelled down river and killed fish on the German side of the Border. Czechia also has disputes with Polish coal plants near their mutual borders polluting Czech groundwater, and brought Poland to court over it. However, Czechia still remains a high greenhouse gas emitter, only the Netherlands, Ireland, Greece, Luxemburg and Cyprus are worse in ranking.

[@indigo_carmine]

@@serebii666 no i meant czechia... in 2002 the "spolana neratovice" plant waste polluted the elbe river with dioxines P.S. also an interesting story is that the plant was producing and selling a herbicide that was also a component of agent orange to USA (unknowingly through a middle buyer in the netherllands i think). since US used it in vietnam war after the comunist regime became aware of it as an apology they invited vietnamese to czechoslovakia. so allegedly thats the reason we still to this day have so many vietnamese restaurants etc.

[@indigo_carmine]

@@serebii666 no i meant czechia... in 2002 spolarna neratovice waste polluted the elbe with dioxines

[@serebii666]

@@indigo_carmine "2002 the "spolana neratovice" plant" That was during the Millenium Flood of 2002, which created ecological disasters everywhere in Germany, Czechia and Austria due to the damage. The river literally swallowed the chemical plant. In Saxony, 32 sewage treatment plants on the Elbe (Dresden-Kaditz, Pirna, Meißen and Riesa) also failed and untreated sewage also was washed away. The floods also killed 45 people, 17 of whom were in Czechia, 9 in Austria and the rest in Germany. You can't really present that act of God in the same way as human neegligence induced pollution. "apology they invited vietnamese to czechoslovakia. so allegedly thats the reason we still to this da" No, that's not true at all. Czechia (and Poland, East Germany and Hungary) have large Vietnamese populations to this day for the same reason Austria and Germany have large Turkish populations - they were invited as guest workers and under the auspices "brotherly Socialist" exchange program to fill the labour supply shortage that affected theses industrialized economies in the latter part of the 20th century. The program started in 1956 with the establishment of a Czech-Viet School in Chrastava. From 1967, Vietnamese knowledge-transfer liasons started coming over and from 1982 factory workers and labourers. After 1990, these workers then repatriated their families and settled them in Czechia, which led to them establishing tabaks, večerky and restaurants, eventually leading to SAPA in 2000 as a centralized distribution and cultural nexus. Your story is a cute myth, but completely false.

[@indigo_carmine]

@serebii666 yes you can attribute it to negligence. The chemical waste should have been cleaned up after the contamination in the 60s... the plant shut down that production line in late 60s because of some accident. I goes always like this people/company expects someone in the future will deal with the shit they have done and its never done. Same thing happened in east sk as i mentioned. Instead of cleaning up they just put the PCBs in barrels. Barrels rusted and leaked over time. Yes there was also pollution from during production but you cant apologize the negligence to clean up the waste.

[@keksentdecker]

Now I wanna see an open pit coal mine a powerplant and an abandoned village in the way of the coal mine

[@SimonvanderWorp]

I grew up in Košice which used to be the most polluted city Czechoslovakia due to steel production. I remember as a kid in the late 90s/early 00s we'd go into the hills around the city and you could always see a black cloud hovering above the city and everyone was kinda used to it like Akruas said that if you didn't want to be in the smog you would go into nature

[@Simon-jb7xx]

Very similar to my hometown of Ostrava. :)

[@richardfoldes7793]

In Bratislava we have problem with ground pollution. Most of the "Downtown" area was an industrial part of the city so each time they are building something the whole area stinks like oil and chemicals. 😂

[@kouliselef1933]

WAIT NO WAY GREECE WAS MENTIONED IN ALTENGRAD LETS GOOOOO MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Riya-ho5zv]

Woooooo Balkan air pollution!

[@sal_lol]

These videos are like therapy for me ☝🤓

[@mewosh_]

Now it feels like home!

[@jimmypetrock]

16:30 RIP THE MARKET

[@dadude405]

I didnt even realize ive been watching thsis series for so long. Definetly my favourite series on KZbin

[@artnfrodo7260]

I have to admit I really use Altengrad to get a summary of planning history for my studies. And it's working pretty well. Just feels so fitting using the videos and game that got me in to urban planning are also getting me through uni. So I guess once again thank you @akruas I'm really great full for your content. :D

[@cameltorun]

Akruas the person who finally made guls usefull in CS

[@ohedd]

East Bloc pursuit of _more_ manufacturing rather than better manufacturing was endemic of central planning. While Western economies judged the quality of the output through consumer demand - approximated by market prices - the East Bloc measured the success of their industry in terms of quantity of output - a less subjective, more quantifiable measure. There's an old Russian joke about how a nail factory got orders to increase their output of nails to 1000 tons per year, and if they reached the milestone they would earn a bonus. But nails are finicky and they require lots of machinery to work at a high pace. So the director ordered the factory to just build a single 1000 ton nail, and he went to claim the bonus. The joke of course being that in the West you produce to fill consumer demands - in Russia you produce to fill quotas.

[@afr11235]

While it would be wonderful if our low levels of lignite use in the US were due to environmental concerns, it was entirely down to economics. Lignite has lower thermal potential than anthracite, so even when coal-fired plants were build in the south, it was cheaper to simply ship anthracite from existing, well connected mining areas rather than tear up valuable farmland for new lignite mines. As anthracite reserves started to peter out in the Appalachian region, the environmental issues with lignite were well-known, and conveniently enough, the states with large lignite deposits also have large natural gas deposits to exploit instead. The establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency in 1970 marked the peak of domestic coal use.

[@Killersanchez256]

Great builds thank you for not giving up on Altengrad i always look forward to this!

[@ma14.27]

I love how the city shows off it's history!

[@00mihau000]

Excited for the 90s!

[@christiaanterveen4633]

Great stuff. I wondered when you started cutting into the dump truck wondering if you were making to make it dump stuff, and there you did. I love these kind of details in your videos. Besides all the information of course, that's the main reason for watching.

[@zacklequeb1244]

I can't wait for more highway madness!

[@mewosh_]

What doesn't say progress as good as having the tallest structure in your city be a smokestack

[@ala9606]

You totally should make video esseys on the topics that you disguss in Altengrad series. I bet they would have many more views. Now people who don't watch the series don't know how interesting the topics are as they think it's just another city building series.

[@Meadowy]

I wonder if Altengrad will go under martial law due to the rising protests as we progress in time? You could place tanks or militia vehicles, some blockades around the city to symbolize that. I think it would look pretty interesting

[@user-ig7gf3qt8j]

That would fit perfect in some sort of cinematic

[@fagocitotico]

nice hint on the excavation project in the final cinematics 😉

[@wimex9062]

Are you planning on adding some small towns or villages further from Altengrad?

[@kaanaslanturk6805]

Fallowing since 10th episode of Aurelia. Every episode within 12 hours for 5 and a half years. I'm more likely fan of modern series but I still like Altengrad as well. Best CS cities, videos, gameplays, whatever you say; on the internet.

[@artamir6605]

I'm still convinced that the sports arena needs an upgrade :) And i'd also like a few cinemas maybe or a giant mall complex.

[@TrippaMazing87]

“In terms of environment…we have no environment” -Eastern Bloc officials circa 1980

[@heroe2491]

Belgium had coalmines in province of Limburg: mines of Beringen, Genk, Eisden, Houthalen-Helchteren and more! They came with beautiful garden-cities. Maybe a topic to be explored in central Europe? This series is soo great I love every episode

[@nee__8132]

Yeah, and along the entire "Sillon Sambre et Meuse", I lived near La Louvière, now near Charleroi, right next to what remains of a former mine shaft, and study in Mons, the whole region still bears the marks of it's industrial past

[@heroe2491]

@@nee__8132 I study architecture in Hasselt, so the surroundings still breath the coalmine heritage. They told me there were nice citygardens in Wallonië too? Like Winterslag in Genk. Hope to do a studytrip there sometime soon

[@nee__8132]

@@heroe2491 Indeed! I study Architecture too in Mons as I said above. I remember our urban planning professor particularly focusing on local exemples Hainaut/Henegouwen but nothing coming to mind right now beside the major remaining one (not necessarily talking about city gardens there), that imo you should probably consider visiting too (Le Grand Hornu, Bois du Luc, Bois du Cazier...)

[@heroe2491]

@@nee__8132 remarkable how little we know if we go over the languageborder. I know Liège Maastricht Hasselt area very good. I'm from near Brussel so I know this a bit aswell. Now time for Henegouwen! Tnx alot. Mineheritage of Limburg is really interesting! And modernist cités in Brussel too!

[@nee__8132]

@@heroe2491 You're welcome! , although I definitely heard of Winterslag tbf, I'm still not that familiar with Limburg or even Liège. If you're curious, the SPW offers various inventories of the industrial heritage in Wallonia, I'd also recommend having a look at the website of the creatively named "Patrimoine Industriel Wallonie-Bruxelles ASBL", basically the equivalent of the "Vlaamse Vereniging voor Industriële Archeologie"

[@tamborero2645]

what a 'beautiful' episode

[@jemsyago7163]

I've never seen Altengrad look so nasty in the series even though you only just put up a fog effect in the city. It really sells how bad it has gotten in recent times. Can't wait to see the next episode and see what kind of disgusting new built will be made!

[@wovter]

I went to Berlin last week and realised how much this series changed my view on the city planning, transport networks and general architecture. Thanks a lot for making my vacation a lot better!

[@lukeueda-sarson6732]

When I was visiting the UK in 1980, I was struck by the grime: the dark colour of the buildings compared to New Zealand where I had been living. When I revisited in the 90s, the grime had mostly gone: London in particular looked so much cleaner. But visiting Gliwice, Katowice, etc., in southern Poland, 1993, it was a real hellscape. Everything was still black. What it must have been like 10 years before, I shudder to imagine. (I was told the Czechs had purposely positioned some factories as close to the border as possible, to blow everything into Poland, as revenge for the Polish aid in suppressing the 1968 "Prague Spring". Whether true or not, it certainly made a good story.)

[@E11or]

Altengrad?? Best time of the MONTH!!

[@niek7808]

Been this weekend for another time to Prague, really fun to see how close Altengrad represent an Eastern European city! Good job!

[@jontomcz]

Thank you for this amazing series! Nice episode (as almost always)

[@nikoladubica]

YEAH, always worth the wait. Seriously, so much to learn from you!

[@danonck]

Another absolute banger of an episode. Too bad we now need to be patient before a new one drops...

[@TobiyahTafari]

Man, i need to setup my cities skylines to your settings so i can create masterpieces too

[@kasnickijakub]

I live very close to the Bełchatów mine and power plant and it's horrible

[@FUManagment]

I just want to say thanks You are doing what I would do if I had a NASA PC, plenty of time, no kids and wife and friends... That's great pleasure to look how your ideas come true

[@echsecutioner]

I just love this project!

[@janpulkowski8739]

thats the most wallpaper-like landfill image i've ever seen

[@kaltenstein7718]

This series reminds me of a model exhibition in Hamburg's Miniatur Wunderland, depicting the same city space in different iterations from 10.000 BC to 1945 and then annother one from 1946 to today

[@ServantOfOdin]

Ah the late 80s. My birth-time is 1986....

[@Lordija]

You haven't build any Grain Silo. Im talking about Yugoslavia, but believe it can apply here. Silos are big and mark progress, also there was an industrial bakery that tried to replace local privately own bakeries.

[@howaboutnooo00]

Can’t wait for the cinematic episode!

[@jirkavebr-czmapper8059]

I was recently visiting an old monastery and an old castle near where I live. Nowadays the are not in a best shape, but they looked alright. But there were photos from 80s. They were in a such a horrible state. Communist used them both as a barracks and for storage. On both the roof fell inside, some walls did too, there were no windows left intact. Then I looked at the photos from 1939. There was such a huge difference. The castle which was home for some well of family was beautyfull even tho it was hunderds of years old, it looked as a new. The monastery also burned down because of one soldier who threw cigarette on something flamable. Communists destroyed a lot of old historical buildings that were taken care of by their previous owners

[@richardfoldes7793]

Thats why lot of historical manors in Slovakia dont have preserved interior. They werent important so they threw ecerything out and made tgem into offices, sanatories and psych wards lol. We actually only have 1 fully preserved manor house. 😢

[@Mertlicious]

It always amazes me when people here in the US don't know much about our EPA history or ecological disasters or the word "Superfund." I live 20 minutes from Love Canal and that's just the most notable in the area being one of many, but it's why we have that designation, and law, in the US in the first place. It's just like here, they filled an empty canal and dumped almost 20 tons of hazardous waste into the ground and told nobody because they didn't have to. It took decades to solve and not until the 80's to create regulations for it, much after people had already died or were sick for life.

[@KrokLP]

I was hoping you would finally make the agricultural fields bigger in this environmental episode. 23:12 the size of the fields behind the harbor really don't fit to communist 1980s.. I've been leaving comments about this for centuries now haha

[@_kiewicz6340]

I can't believe we are heading towards the end of commune. This is a great series that for me is no longer a gameplay - yeah, you are building a city, but it's just a theme for telling a history of the region. Also, I must say that this photo used in picture for the video (don't know how to say "miniaturka" in English) is really great and it looks like some artistic poster

[@_FnejFox_]

make some abandoned places, it suits me for the eastern bloc

[@LucaFuchs2]

0:11 In witch episode was the modern building in the center of the screen at the old hospital build?

[@AlexsThings]

episode 70

[@chrisc3701]

I'm always so excited to see a new Altengrad episode. Interesting how anti-environmental propaganda still rings true today with people making out that if you care about the environment, you must be anti-progress. Thanks for making such an incredible series. I love hearing how the decades developed in the soviet-bloc.

[@halayoussef6981]

Akruas make a last episode of the 80s like the communist has no control of altengrad riots like soviet cars on fire,company’s destroyed,communist buildings on fire make it like hell has begun in altengrad,the military has employed to stop the riots but it’s too little to late.

[@nasalekausalitat]

That actually sounds nice, a lot of uprisings were happening in the late 80s in basically every eastern block country

[@CakeboyRiP]

Sir. You are a true legend

[@davidstuckler1077]

Awesome episode, love your content!

[@MestruTrmonen]

are you going to build maybe a civilian/cargo/military airport?

[@fagocitotico]

thumbs for more entire map shots!

[@Jagger1984]

awesome, this made my day .

[@maartenvaness]

“Such debate was not possible back in the day.” Peaceable debate still doesn’t happen today haha. Everyone just exists in their own hyper-polarized echo chamber. Given that, I appreciated your “the problem is not binary” comment.

[@Nick-yi4tr]

@jimyvanloock3510 10 hours ago Belgium ranking after Germany in sulfur dioxide actually makes sense, considering coal mining was still an active industry during and after WW2 and local consumption was (and still is) a major aspect of life. Chimneys are everywhere. I live between two homes that use wood burners on a near daily basis. A day without the smell of smoke in the air is a good day.

[@filip_cz219]

About the Most Czech Republic, Brown coal mines, the comunit party moved out church zo unblock the way for the ground mine

[@kubin226]

12:07 they did in fact, not have food in stores XD

[@petjuh1985]

Love the topic, love Altengrad but still miss the introduction tune. 😅 I hum it at every new episode

[@SokaRome]

After the mysterious man took my girlfriend away for me, after I fell down the ally while chasing him down, I contacted the police and filed a missing person report. Do you need into the next episode of “BABE THERES A NEW ALTENGRAD EPISODE”

[@TheRizarden]

Bro just casually rolls in with a dača instead of chata. 💀

[@petjuh1985]

Hihi the seagulls! 😅

[@medvedvberloge5257]

Hello Akruas! I am very surprised and satisfied that finnaly there is a C:S series that represents a historical transformation of the city, especially in a communist sector as I do live in the very heart of it.

[@user-ig7gf3qt8j]

Maybe you should do cinematic like ww2 one about democratic change of Altengrad, for sure it will not be as long as ww2 cinematic but that would be a nice touch

[@gameerman7898]

less go new episode

[@x_zschannel]

How to scale decals with move it?

[@petjuh1985]

I use the keys + and -

[@applejablko6198]

Hi alebo ahoj neviem prečo som pred tym pisal komentáre po anglicky ale asi som nemal istotu😂😂. Nuž dovolìm si tvrdiť, že pochadzaš z Česka (dufam ze mam pravdu 😂). Možno ti bolo divne že mam názov účtu ahoj ale to už je jedno😅. Každopadne pozerám ťa už dlho a veľmi oceňujem tvoju tvorbu hlavne toto mesto Altengrad. Sám skúšam niečo take postaviť no na tvoju úroveň zatiaľ nemám ale nevzdávam sa😂😂. Berem inšpiráciu. Ale rad by som sa opýtal vidím, že Altengrad pomaly dospieva do 89-tého roku a blíži sa pád socializmu a nežná revolúcia a preto sa chcem opýtať či urobíš nejaké video aj z nežnej revolúcie, nejaké podobné tomu aké si urobil o 2. Svetovej vojne kde boli znázornené tie tanky a bomby a potom oslobodenie sovietskymi vojskami. Či máš v pláne urobiť nejaké také video aj z nežnej recolúcie ako ľudia stoja napríklad na tom veľkom námestí (pred žel. stanicou) a k tomu nejaké to pódium, protesty a podobné veci. Myslím, že by to bolo celkom zaujímavé a mnohí by to ocenili. Lebo chápem vpad vojsk varšavakej zmluvy bol v Československu. Ale pad socializmu a nežna revolúcia bola významnejšia a zasahovala do viacerých krajín.(napríklad aj nemecko). Inak ti dakujem aj za to že na všerky moje komentáre si odpovedal a ten malý vlak - railbus už tiež jazdí😂😂. Tak veľa šťastia s tymto aj ostatnymi projektami. Pozeral som že austris (to ultramoderné mesto) už dosiahlo maximum, tak som zvedavý na dalšie tvoje nápady. 👍👍👍👍 veľa šťastia / good luck😊

[@nesreca4962]

How to scale props with move it?

[@petjuh1985]

I use the keys - and +

[@nesreca4962]

@@petjuh1985Thanks

[@nuisanceguru]

the series feels like a masterclass on engineers doing their best given political idiocracy

[@doublea06]

#stopclimatechange, etc.

[@doublea06]

However, London, UK did a good job at cleaning air! (Maybe present day or in the future.)

[@anirepspotenaovca]

Interesting

[@mausebiker123]

❤

[@schmon2178]

🥳

[@True_NOON]

9:56 viel besser als Kernkraft , oder? Wenn ja wählt B'90 ""Grünen""

[@samuelkmetka1467]

Mohol by si postaviť letisko. Nemusí byť veľké stačí také Bratislavské pôvodne z komunizmu...😀 You could build an airport. It doesn't have to be big, Bratislava ones originally from communism are enough...

[@genadijzhdanov2645]

Build a military area, in socialist countries bigger cities usually had some military installations

[@trashpostersanonymous]

25 seconds old

[@catairlines-peciarda]

Pls turn off pocket cars

[@TheNewOrder-DaysOfConflict]

This city is too beautiful for a communist city