Alabama Top Court Rules Frozen Embryos Are "Children". Will it Affect IVF?|Vantage with Palki Sharma

[@Firstpost]

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[@domisthebomb09]

If an embryo is a child then raw batter is a cake

[@laurahobbie4971]

Ivf facilities can now charge for child care.

[@AJwx291]

😂😂😂

[@RA-fotog23]

So is this now child tax credit deductible? Is this now a deduction for the number of children in the family on the IRS filing? Or this only in Alabama that I can claim 7+ unborn children?

[@mahikarao3922]

😂😂😂😂

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

yes and the child's age should be frozen age + age after turning into a human baby.

[@steviegbcool]

Alibama laughing stock of the world

[@nicolegrice5085]

What about protecting the Living Children in Alabama? Dhr won't protect Children after abuse is reported. So who protects them ?

[@Sherry-v2r]

The Pro Birth people must jumping for joy and celebrating, more chaos and control! Call them what they are, Pro Birthers, not Pro Life! Only controlling abusive people could cause such harm to other human beings and have it become legal. Only people of limited means are affected, people of wealth or modest wealth are unaffected.

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

Agree, women who don't want to become or feel ready to become mothers are going to be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies. While women who want to become mothers, but they struggle to conceive or want to expand their families are going to be discouraged from using IVF.

[@johnstorton]

I wasn't aware children could be frozen. Hmm! ... I can plan a long vacation, now!

[@soall4490]

Good one 😂

[@sharinaross1865]

Si

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

And I can get a day off for the first time in 5 years!

[@singhy774]

The judges who passed this need some education

[@invaderhorizongreen8168]

Oh they know they dont care it is all about CONTROL

[@patricial.6758]

An embryo is alive. Yes it is life in the scientific term. Then we have the concepts of living, quality of life, life and the pursuit of happiness. Oh, and the phrase not compatible with life or risking the life of the mother. Abortion is a needed medical service. An embryo or fetus is NOT the same as a born infant. An embryo or fetus DOES NOT outrank the mother's life.

[@Nunyabiz29485]

This is an incomplete argument and you know it.

[@20quid]

It's "alive" in a cellular sense, but so is cancer. What it is not is "a life" in the sense of it having full moral and legal personhood.

[@dgordon7694]

The devil is a liar!! An embryo is life. Life is life!

[@KenGud]

A large portion of the scientific community agrees life begins at conception. Whole new set of DNA and will grow into a human. Abortion when needed to save the mother is fine. It’s not fine as a form of birth control, Which is usually why people get them.

[@arcaakvira]

@@dgordon7694 even cancer cells are alive

[@FunkeOMedina]

Plain stupidity. Alabama court is an embarrassment.

[@Gghhh-ey4yw]

Kya mazak hai ? 😂 Ab kal ko ye log bolege ki har egg or sperm "Children" hai...🤣🤣

[@nandhiniilango7391]

They already do. That is why they are talking about going after morning after pills, contraception pills. Some of them even believe ectopic pregnancies can be taken out and re-inserted into uterus.

[@thevisiblehand]

Maybe all the existing embryos in Alabama can sue for the right to be born? They can hire lawyers.

[@tierraokonkwo6671]

Illitracy is dangerous

[@mathildeyoung1823]

LOL "illitracy"

[@jfitzsimmons4825]

So are misspelled words.

[@rosemariebredahl9519]

Re Embryos legally children: How will this effect the insurance rates & thus customer costs for storing embryos? How does it effect the "morning after" pill(s)? What is the law re treatment of a "corpse" now, since some late periods are spontaneous abortions? If a patient has an ectopic pregnancy, do Dr.s have to handle the embryo differently? What effect does this have on early Physician performed abortions when they're otherwise legal? What should labs with artificially created embryos do with them? What about genetically abnormal embryos? What do folks do with "extra"/ unused frozen embryos? The precedent set by considering embryos to be human beings are far reaching!

[@SheilaPerry-j6m]

The Alabama supreme court is full of the most ridiculous people one can imagine just look at the senator who represents them and don't even live in the state

[@nataliecavalli331]

I am wondering where in America IVF treatment on average is $12,000. Here on East coast it’s $24,000. I had to fly to Europe for IVF and even there all together with flight stay and medication I am up to like $13,000.

[@sissy4506]

So now I guess we can't eat eggs because we're eating a newborn chicken😂😂

[@patricial.6758]

According to vegetarians or vegans, yes, it is a potential future chicken.

[@johnnybrave7443]

We eat chicken 🐔, not humans

[@genie2933]

😂 🤣 😂

[@Shreya...1]

Exactly non vegetarian food

[@n.v.9000]

You can't make an omelette out of a chicken

[@Soberania-elviajero90091]

-A child is not alive until the heart beat is found actively

[@franzitaduz]

Sound legal reasoning. The parents viewed them as their children, but will discard the others once conception is achieved. Is that sanctioned murder by parents? This is an example for civil damages for the emotional and financial damage suffered.

[@thevisiblehand]

Maybe all the existing embryos in Alabama can sue for the right to be born! They can hire lawyers.

[@Dr_poornima_G_TEEM_dental_care]

America 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 America..... America 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@invaderhorizongreen8168]

Unfortunately, ectopic transplantation does not exist. Many patients with an ectopic pregnancy are devastated when they learn that their pregnancy will not be able to continue. They ask if anything can be done to save their baby and, with much remorse, we have to tell them that the answer is no. After fertilisation occurs in the fallopian tube, a developing embryo travels to the uterus for possible implantation. However, successful implantation requires that both the uterine lining is receptive and that a 5 day old embryo is competent. These two synchronised events are precisely regulated, as this cross-talk between embryo and uterus can only occur during a brief period, referred to as the “window of implantation.” After that, the endometrium is no longer hospitable to a developing pregnancy. Furthermore, extracting a developing pregnancy from its implantation site would be so disruptive as to cause irreparable damage, and the embryo would not continue to grow. Given the complexity of human implantation, we do not have the technology to transplant a developing pregnancy from the fallopian tube, where the majority of ectopics implant, and reimplant the pregnancy in the uterus. The only published literature on ectopic transplantation includes two case reports from 1915 and 1980. Few details are given in either report, and the latter case was published 10 years after it purportedly occurred. The most recent report in the medical literature of ectopic transplantation turned out to be fraudulent, and the British doctor who proclaimed it a success was removed from his post. It’s hard to imagine a flimsier body of evidence upon which policy could be based.

[@Nah481]

Ridiculous

[@jfitzsimmons4825]

Embryo is not the same thing as an egg. An unfertilized egg is an egg. A fertilized egg/embryo is a developing fetus NO MATTER WHAT ITS AGE, 2 min, 2 hours, 2 weeks etc. Eventually that embryo has the potential of becoming a fully developed male or female entity, based on its DNA.

[@anksssssssss]

so does a comatose patient ? so taking ventiltor off is murder ?

[@williamparker7025]

so does every egg and sperm, every human dna cell could become a full human if used for cloning. Its all in a matter of how much effort you take to grow it into a fully developed human

[@Milesco]

What something can _potentially become_ means nothing. It's what it IS that matters. And a fertilized human egg is no more a human being than a fertilized chicken egg is a chicken.

[@TokitoRen5633]

so the amount of mass murder every male does when masturbating sheet how many lives did u take plus with women mensurating

[@20quid]

Not outside of a uterus it doesn't. A frozen embryo has zero potential of becoming a fully developed human without significant human intervention.

[@JohnSmith-wg3pl]

Can I freeze 10 embryos and get the child tax credit?

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

That sounds fair to me, according to this law.

[@tagat.s]

Great news 👍

[@zarthustra7]

Extremes on left and right won't let people live in peace in USA.

[@aaronthenorm5400]

Child support;.... Embryo support?!

[@TaniaGarciaduenas-z4s]

😢🙏🙏🌹☝️❤️🤗A Child of Mine with Kevin Costner 🤗☕

[@positivevibes9964]

Sience going crazy and dangerous.

[@abhilipsasahoo1608]

What about eggs being potential childern.

[@jabswoods9123]

Egg by itself or Sperm by itself is not a Child.

[@williamparker7025]

why? Why stop at after they come together. All have potential of life, the only difference is the egg and sperm must join first, which is a much smaller and easier step than requiring a woman to feed the cells with her own body for 9 months@@jabswoods9123

[@AJwx291]

​@@jabswoods9123 why do you count zygotes as children but not eggs?

[@jabswoods9123]

@@AJwx291 Cause human egg by itself can't be anything more than an egg and 100s of them get discharged in lifespan of a woman. So is the case for sperm as well, millions of sperm goes to waste over a lifespan of a man. But once fertilized now that is start of a Baby and we should respect it's life. We can argue about rape, incest, woman's body etc etc, but at the end, it's the fetus life which is defenseless and the weakest which needs full moral and legal support.

[@AJwx291]

@@jabswoods9123 over half of all fertilized eggs fail to implant. Of those that do implant, half are washed away by menstrual blood.

[@btsarmyforever3816]

It's been fertilized right? The egg and sperm are combined. Means it's technically a fetus even if it's not in the womb. But yeah it doesn't mean we can implant it all in the womb. Usually several eggs and sperms of the couple are combined in batches and once it's fertilized in the lab they implant it into the womb. But they don't implant it all. They just dispose off the rest. I mean... Nothing else can be done about this. Yes they are future children but if we look at it like this then only one batch should be combined. They usually do several test tubes so whatever is viable can be used. But even then not fully. So Idk where they are going with this.. It's inevitable. If they wanna really consider it as a life which it is best ban IVF or only approve one batch.

[@pi6235]

What makes it more complicated is most of the embryos did not receive PGT-A testing. This can mean that lots of the embryos actually have chromosomal abnormalities where it is not viable or just not viable for other reasons, but they are still in storage because that test was not done to see if the embryo is even possible for life. There is a study of 1126 embryos being PGT-A tested and only 225 of the 1126 embryos being transferable. Maybe the state could subsidize for the testing of these embryos because it would greatly reduce the amount of embryos currently in storage, but that is only if the parents approve since that test has risks for the embryo. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9723074/#:~:text=In%201126%20PGT%2DA%20cycles,44%25)%20cycles%20were%20performed.

[@LeoOrlando-yd2ut]

I don’t like the condescending tone of this anchor. Yes, life does begin at conception, and most biologists agree. 😮

[@20quid]

No, most biologists do not agree.

[@asunder6797]

Even the Bible doesn't agree.

[@valmacclinchy]

Pregnancy can't happen without implantation. Learned that in 5th grade.

[@silpzzzz]

Very simply they should not allow IVF if they want to consider embryo as children. It's plain idiotic n convinient

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

And around 20% of all _known_ pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion. Shall miscarriages be considered murder now? How about all the unknown pregnancies that result in miscarriage? Shall we just imprison all women whenever they menstruate just in case there's a fertilized egg in the discarded blood?

[@vallil3933]

If at all considering in other way these frozen eggs are medical record of a patient ..medical records hv a periods of 5yrs maintanence in any type of medical facility ..like ways frozen eggs can also b given a period of use .since later gestation is gona cause so many consequence on maternal health as well..and if facilities store those for every single patient its gonna cost a lot for patients and the facility .can still do in a better way were every one can be benefited by it !

[@spaceballs44]

Well there is always adoption.

[@TehDubster]

How about you keep your fucking mouth shut and let others do what they want to do when it comes to having kids. Who the hell are you to tell people that they cant have their own child?

[@sharinaross1865]

Life begins at conception.

[@Bored_Miss_A]

Embryos are embryos regardless whether frozen or not. So does this ruling mean abortion is now illigal?

[@danielnalleyjr6975]

it shouldn't be illegal. it should be unthinkable.

[@Slw1111]

Abortion was already illegal in Alabama.

[@Gghhh-ey4yw]

​@@danielnalleyjr6975Weather to keep it or abort it It is a Women Choice because that thing is Inside HER not YOU You have no right to say what she should do with her OWN Body

[@mathildeyoung1823]

@@Gghhh-ey4yw But we should be able to tell men and women what not to do to the bodies of other defenseless human beings... Abortion (like child abuse) isn't about someone doing something with their OWN body it's about doing something to the body of ANOTHER human being. That is obviously why abortion needs to be illegal.

[@Ubothered]

A "human being" that can't survive without the woman's body. Give birth first than we might hear you out

[@shibanikonwar2981]

RIP Judiciary...

[@Trysaratop]

I think this is a better alternative than abortion.

[@mchyinLyons]

Nooe, no they are not

[@mathildeyoung1823]

One of the definitions of "child" is "an unborn or recently born person" (Merriam Webster)

[@n.v.9000]

​​​​@@mathildeyoung1823 an American dictionary. World should discard it. and by that logic any egg of any speices is not an egg. By that logic you can't even ask a question "What came first, chicken or the egg?", as both are chicken but you can't make a roast out of an egg and you can't make an omelette out of a chicken. Makes no sense

[@n.v.9000]

​​​@@mathildeyoung1823 as I don't live in USA, am wondering is there separation between church and state in USA law? If not I understand the ruling of the judge... P.S. I did a little research and can see there is no separation of church and state soo that means laws can be implemented with religion views not facts in mind. Putting God in the Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance and on U.S. currency is quite strange and should be left out by any multi cultural and open minded country. Well all that is scary and am glad I don't live there.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

⁠@@n.v.9000If there is no separation between church and state, kids in schools would be learning about one religious dogma in their classes, potentially in place of biology or physics. And if “open minded” countries would keep God out of their national symbols, how come Canada gets away with having “God keep our land glorious and free…” in their national anthem?

[@n.v.9000]

@@aycc-nbh7289 @aycc-nbh7289 there is no mention of separation of church and state in Usa constitution. I didnt say it is enforced like in Iran just possible as there is no restriction to do soo. Go and google it. Just that all religions are free to practice but doesnt rule out rulings based on religion. Canada has it in an song not in court and song is based on a god fearing traditions from a time they believed God gave them the right to that land soo just an opinion...unless they swear on Bible not to lie in court, then no difference between them as they mix fictional with factual. And they do teach conflicting biology in some schools now in USA about human anatomy that has no bases in facts just subjective truths what religion is, just a subjective truth and not part of nature.

[@larinvermont3271]

The only positive aspect of this unthought decision, which is also not supported by modern science, is the fact it may just encourage adoption, reducing the number of Alabama's children, a direct result of their legislative beliefs direct from the Dark Ages, who are in temporary fosterage or underfunded/overcrowded orphanages. One further instance which has not yet been considered might be the status of IVF embryos lost when the parental hosts miscarry through what would be, logically, no fault of their own. Are they back to the proposed legal arguments that the already traumetized women and families could be charged as criminals? The only saving fact of the entire travesty is that justuces of the Alabama Supreme Court only serve 6 year terms, and Alabama's voters can correct their error and not return them to the bench at the end of their current terms,

[@toprandomvi8966]

This country is confusing.Embryo outside the body are children but the Embryo that are aborted from inside the body are just a clamp of cells?. Pick one

[@bijbelevangelisatie4023]

Very right decision. The amount of babies murdered/discarded in IVF could be similar to the amount murdered in abortion. But few speak up for those babies. LORD HAVE MERCY!

[@quesadilla79]

🇺🇸popsicle citicens

[@yashmitajoyce175]

Yes there is life in embryos. If only they get a potential environment (womb/uterus) they'll grow into the same lovely children, we see around us. There's something called 'SNOWFLAKE ADOPTION'. Read more about it.

[@Compuscience-Python-Prog-Exps]

I don't think we should be playing God. Love and sex are what should make a truth family. Not bought from a store, and only to be thrown out like trash. Some of these could have changed our world, had they got to live and produced by chance. Not by CHOICE!

[@danielstoker2668]

Or they might have been the next Hitler, Mao, Stalin or Pol Pot.

[@Compuscience-Python-Prog-Exps]

Oh well. Life is UNPREDICTABLE! Just maybe, people like that are sent by Momma Nature. Just some food for thought?@@danielstoker2668

[@kike0260]

This are great news! To all those people saying they’re not babies… I haven’t seen a single biologist deny that they’re human lives

[@20quid]

There are lots of things that are human lives that are also not babies.

[@asunder6797]

I'm thinking of having two ribs removed, at what point would they be considered a human being?

[@celticblessings8868]

I'm in the same Christian religion as those who voted for this, and just so others (outsiders) can understand our perspective, (whether you agree or not), we sincerely believe the Bible scriptires that state, "before I formed you in the womb, i already knew you" and "before i created you, i already planned every day of your life so you could live it". A majority of residents voted for these justices to cary out this law in their own state, and that is to defend life from the moment of conception until natural death. We are aware, as Christians, due to Jesus' words, that we will be ridiculed for our beliefs, but we are told to keep our faith regardless of the ridicule. If you are not in our religion you may not understand this, but please take a moment to think about a belief you have that's very important to you. People have the freedom to live in whatever state they wish, but this is what the political majority believes in in this state, based on who was voted in. Therefore that's what is happening there right now. We feel we need to live in accordance with our faith. We fully understand that outsiders may not understand this, so please read the Holy Bible if you want to take this up with God. Also the world has so many children without parents it might be time to bring those children into a loving family instead.

[@mochafudgetruffle]

You can believe what you want, but you have no right to force your religious beliefs on others. The USA was founded on religious freedom. It is not a Christian nation and never was a Christian nation.

[@celticblessings8868]

​@@mochafudgetrufflein the United States majority vote is what creates law. If the majority of voters vote for justices who bring this type of law, then that's the law. For decades the majority vote was for abortion which we Christians disagree with, but it was law, so that was that. But now voters are voting in these laws instead, so once again, law is law. It's not inflicting beliefs on others - everyone has the constitutional right to believe as they wish, but we must all abide by federal, state, and local laws, and right now 'this' is the law. As I said, people have the right to live where they wish, so if someone doesn't like something, whatever it is, they can move. I realize this looks like it mixes up religion and government, but in reality when a majority of voters vote a law in, they do indeed vote based on what they believe in, that's how people make decisions about how to vote. They have a constitutional right to vote their conscience, and they did. So now that this is law, all citizens must abide by the law. Belief is a personal choice, but this is still the law right now. This certainly does bring up many questions, doesn't it. In a democracy the majority vote becomes law, and right now this is what the majority voted for.

[@celticblessings8868]

​@@mochafudgetrufflealso, this does not force a belief on anyone... people can believe as the constitution permits them. There is no change to the constitution, and religious freedom of belief is still a valid law in the United States. No one is forcing anyone to believe anything, since that is unconstitutional.

[@TehDubster]

@@celticblessings8868 How about we have civil war and dispute the manner that way? Fucking try to take away my rights to have a kid if I'm infertile, I literally dare you.

[@celticblessings8868]

@@intrepidelf well God created death, people did not create death, so I'd guess we should let God do his job and we should stay out of God's business... what I think you are really saying, is that if the Bible was written by men, that invalidates it. But that's not true, because people can and do embrace the Bible and its doctrines, no matter who really wrote it - it is still a sincerely held religious belief, upheld by the constitution, and people use its teachings to guide their moral and ethical choices, which, in this case, created 'this' law. Whether someone believes in God or not, they alone must work that out with God when they die. The Bible itself states, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling", indicating that you walk into the spirit world alone and face your creator with your deeds, choices, and faith at that time... no one goes with you (unless you are a Christian, then Jesus goes with you). Until then, people do have the right to embrace the Bible's teachings as their religion, per the constitution, and to vote according to their own conscience, to create laws. That's how the constitution works. It is based on majority vote, simple as that. At times, laws will not agree with everyone, but that's how the constitution designed laws to be created, that way one person does not dictate laws, instead we can vote for what we want, by majority.

[@lamaree9808]

Embryo is Living and Viable... Its not Non-living

[@kpopae-7]

*I STAND FOR THE RIGHT OF SPERMS AND OVA*

[@UnicornPurple-ut8wf]

My daughter in law heard the heartbeat of her baby at just over two months!! Of course it’s a life.

[@lissabee49]

Rational and intelligent people know that the heart does not exist at that stage. How can you be so stupid?

[@mathildeyoung1823]

@@lissabee49 This is an article published in the journal Fetal Diagnosis and Therapy by Tan & Lewandowski in 2019. In this article, the authors refer to gestational weeks, which are equivalent to LMP; in other words if the article says “gestational week 7” it refers to 7 weeks LMP. From the article’s introduction: The human heart is one of the first organs to form and function during embryogenesis. By the end of gestational week 3, passive oxygen diffusion becomes insufficient to support metabolism of the developing embryo, and thus the fetal heart becomes vital for oxygen and nutrient distribution. The initiation of the first heart beat via the primitive heart tube begins at gestational day 22, followed by active fetal blood circulation by the end of week 4. … This eventually leads to the formation of the 4-chambered heart by gestational week 7.

[@AsterixM580]

She might be having heartburn or just gas 😂

[@mathildeyoung1823]

@@AsterixM580 yea, that will show up on the ultrasound as a heartbeat lol...

[@Irin31]

Fertilized egg is not a child . Have you ever seen a child that can be frozen?! 🤣🤣🤣

[@LeoOrlando-yd2ut]

And I’m deleting this channel

[@agushalo7679]

What is bizarre about the ruling would you have been okay if you were destroyed at embryo stage of your life? If no then why do you think other children don't have the same right as you?

[@patricial.6758]

Obvious answer - if I were destroyed as an embryo, I sure wouldn't be here now to reply to your dufus question.

[@williamparker7025]

anything destroyed at that stage is not capable of having an opinion as they dont have a developed functioning brain, but I can see why youd by sympathetic to that

[@danielstoker2668]

I wouldn't have existed to have feelings about it so it's irrelevant.

[@asunder6797]

I already didn't exist for billions of years that was easy in comparison to material existence.

[@noname11729]

.

[@markrademaker5875]

"Before i formed you in the womb i knew you..." Jeremiah 1:5 Good on Alabama!

[@AJwx291]

So why aren't unfertilized eggs protected from destruction?

[@markrademaker5875]

@@AJwx291 Maybe they should be protected. Maybe, also, it should be illegal for someone to cut off their hand because they don't like the way it looks. 1 John 4:10,11

[@AJwx291]

@@markrademaker5875 you are talking about a hand. I am talking about a single cell. Should you be held accountable for scratching and killing your skin cells?

[@markrademaker5875]

@@AJwx291 An unfertilizied egg in not a human being. We become human when a sperm, by God's Doing, enters an egg..."fertilizes" it. Now, i do not know exactly what is going on...i think the moment the two different DNA's become one new, unique DNA is when a new human being is. Maybe i am a child, so to speak, compared to you; what are you getting at?

[@20quid]

Please don't mis-quote the Bible.

[@JJ-ok2sm]

Course are children are Child of God .🙏🙏🙏

[@20quid]

Not even the Bible gives full personhood to an embryo.

[@yashmitajoyce175]

Yes there is life in embryos. If only they get a potential environment (womb/uterus) they'll grow into the same lovely children, we see around us. There's something called 'SNOWFLAKE ADOPTION'. Read more about it.

[@Ubothered]

Start adopting then.

[@williamparker7025]

better offer up your uterus to start saving some of the hundreds of snowflake babies needing to be saved

[@julesmisty]

Omg! Don't you have enough human interest stories in India? You report on stupid laws created in the US? Exactly how does this affect anyone's life in India? I think you should worry about your own children's welfare and leave the US to deal with their own issues. Unbelievable.

[@lissabee49]

That is the dumbest argument ever. The idiocy of this ruling is well known to people all over the world but your insane triggers have you made at people around the world seeing how ignorant this ruling is hurt your easily triggered feelings? Pathetic

[@mathildeyoung1823]

nothing stupid about wanting to protect human beings - born and unborn.

[@dvlx8453]

@@mathildeyoung1823 are you one of the inbreds from alabama? medical science has given a very clear definition unless it has heat beat it's not living

[@shuba7410]

You should perhaps read the channel's description. It clearly states that it "brings stories from across the globe, viewing them through the Indian lens."

[@YouCantHandleTheTruth.]

It's called _'pandering'_ and they are experts in this. Anything for their master the United States. Come to the states and you'll notice it almost all of them everywhere especially from Indian diasporas and communities. Sad because some of them (at least ones that I know and used to work with) are good people, but most are not.

[@lilsstrunks]

"2 million people use IVF every year" no, 2 million women use IVF every year. This is only a older woman problem, younger women who are having kids do not care about this. Nor do regular people.

[@tegasidney6700]

Ivf is not only older women problem, youre quite stupid for that, even young couples who cant have kids use ivf.... And ivf is also used if the man has speem problems also