Alaric the Goth and the Sack of Rome [feat. Dr. Douglas Boin]

[@andrewmarkhenry]

Get the book here!: amzn.to/2YcsSt7

[@lillianserrano6566]

I feel Goth and Native American

[@lillianserrano6566]

I feel the ancient spirits

[@charlesrb3898]

Bought it, read it, recommend it,

[@n.c.1201]

Love this!!! Needed this as a nice intro to the Goths and will purchase the book. Great conversation and it sounds like great research!!! 🎉🎉 Thank you!!

[@georgem7502]

I have a day of house cleaning/tidying to do and this is my perfect background accompaniment! Thanks both!

[@n.c.1201]

I was washing dishes and loved this... except the large amount of times I had to skip the Ads with wet fingers lol

[@carolineaustin4138]

This was a great talk. I'm interested in reading the book now. Thank you, Douglas Boin, for giving us a different view of the Goths and this period in Roman history, and thank you, Andrew Henry, for being such a good interviewer. It is rare these days to see an interview in which the interviewer is not leading with his or her own agenda.

[@JAlanne]

Hey! i had my religion exam yesterday. I used information form your great series on american civil religion to bolster on the relationship between religion and science. Thank you so much for helping me develop as person who is interested in religious studies.

[@andrewmarkhenry]

Awesome! The American Flag episode is suddenly relevant again too w/ the debate over police brutality.

[@Byronic19134]

@@andrewmarkhenry The debate over police brutality is really a distraction from the real debate of government over reach. Not a coincidence the same political party pushing the police brutality narrative is also with they're other hand stealing more and more civil liberties. Change my mind.

[@Imperiused]

Definitely picking this book up. Great interview, fascinating topic!

[@sampagano205]

The history of Rome podcast is also probably the main way young people are really learning the history of the fall of the Roman empire, and even though I love Mike Duncan's work, there should be more things.

[@santiagoaguirre3862]

As someone who was raised Catholic, I can attest to the importance of the Council of Nicaea to Catholic Christians because every Sunday the congregation is made to recite the Nicene Creed. Sadly, as a kid this led me to believe that the Council of Nicaea was a nail in the coffin of the Arian Heresy. This was not the case, however. If I am not mistaken wasn't Ulfilas sent to Gothia by a Roman Emperor who espoused Arianism? So in a way, you can't real blame the Goths for holding onto Arianism so strongly when that was the first form of Christianity that they were introduced to and as such to them was the true version while the Nicene Christians were seen as the real heretics.

[@lyledal]

I agree. Someone needs to make this series. It'd be amazing. You 2 should pitch it to HBO or Netflix.

[@roxie6519]

That moment when Dr Douglas called those actions 'unconscionable', I thought he was going to say 'unconscious'. My immediate thought was that, oh yeah, we're just unconsciously repeating the mistakes we haven't learned.

[@willyb92]

I had this book sitting on living room table then randomly this came up in my feed lol weird how that works sometimes

[@stefan-vasileionita2510]

Good work!

[@davidkuder4356]

Andrew--Doin a great 👍 Job. Rock. 🎸. On... !!

[@sanguinoid8919]

Actually reading this right now

[@santiagoaguirre3862]

It's true, the term "paganos" originally referred to one who lived in the country side. And counter to what someone in Modern times might expect, Christianity, like other "new mystery cults" that spread throughout the Empire at the time, first took hold in urban centers because, as commercial hubs, they were places where not only new food items were introduced and exchanged but also new ideas and new customs. And of course many of these urban cities were also key port cities where immigrants from the east congregated. As Christianity became more and more popular, those who lived in the periphery, in rural areas, held onto more dearly to their traditional beliefs and customs which in their minds had always helped them cope with the forces of nature and guarantee their harvests year after year. For these "pagans", any Plague or harsh winter that they experience was due to the wrath of the traditional gods who were disatisfied with people abandoning the tried and true methods of the past. Likewise, in Modern times as many people in urban centers are abandoning the old ways, more and more rural inhabitants are clinging all the more to the now " tried and true ways" of Christianty. We especially saw this with the French Revolution. As the urban revolutionaries became increasingly critical of the Church and embraced either Deism or all out Atheism, the rural populations who took Christianity more seriously as the religion of their ancestors, these provincial dwellers became increasingly counter revolutionary.

[@regthebackyardjackofalltrades]

Great book, it is relevant today.

[@mrniceguy7168]

I was wondering when you’d upload again

[@bertinii]

Internet best feature is talks like this!

[@pankratoshellas183]

Dude got all nervous when Henry told him facts.

[@santiagoaguirre3862]

Interestingly enough the capital of the Western Roman Empire at the time was Ravenna. The capital of the West stopped being Rome in 286 when the capital was moved to Mediolanum (modern day Milan) and then was moved again in 408 to Ravenna. But maybe it's the fact that culturally and symbolically Rome was still seen as the head of this behemoth that was the Roman Empire. That and the fact that when it was sacked in 410, the last time that had happened was 800 years ago by the Gauls.

[@zacharyriley4122]

“800 years prior”. or “800 years earlier”.

[@milmex317th]

I drive a lot for my job and got The audiobook. I am listening to it for the 2nd time at home in the evenings 1/2 finished Its fucking fascinating. Excuse my Barbaric Language.

[@eriktangerstad1260]

About the Roman Empire of the fourth century as a Game-of-Throne-style TV-series, check out the novel ”The Last Athenian” by the Swedish author Viktor Rydberg, translated into English by William W Thomas Jr. It depicts the struggles between pagans (sic) and Christians in Athens around the year 360 AD, befors and during the reign of emperor Julian the Apostate. The fun thing is that this novel was written in 1859! And it was translated into English in 1883. It became a huge international best-seller in its day, although it is by now largely forgotten. However, it outlines precicely the kind of TV-series you are sketching around min 54:30

[@orinalaric593]

Thank you

[@madhavdeval]

Huh it's my first time hearing about this apophatic theology thing- it's interesting how indian philosophy from the 800s BC keeps mentioning Brahman (god?) as neti neti, not this, not that.

[@tripp8833]

The book is great - too short though!

[@hive_indicator318]

The parallels to today are amazing. I'm assuming this convo happened before Memorial Day, since neither of you really mentioned what's been going on.

[@Ulyssestnt]

476,that was just a Roman general taking control over the government,did not really change the "constitution",more then earlier. I think Rome more declined over time in the west over many centuries. Also its typical when late rome is depicted in movies or Tv it gets depictes like pax romana age Rome with 1century AD legions with lorica segmentata etc.

[@luke-alex]

I think that's a matter of debate, how significant the constitutional change was in 476. Odoacer created the Kingdom of Italy, never claiming to be Emperor. And if his legitimacy had anything to do with the Roman Empire, it was more from the Eastern Roman Emperor than from any Western one. Of course you can look at the decline over a greater time span like centuries, but that doesn't mean there wasn't an acceleration near the end. From the sacking of Rome in 410 (which hadn't happened in almost a millennium), it was only 66 years until there was no such thing as the Roman Empire (in the traditional sense, the ERE not including Rome)-so that's a pretty interesting and critical period of the decline.

[@Midgard458]

you lost me as soon as you started dismissing Jordanes. No one would even know about the Goths were it not for him. I find a person who actually lived in the era of the Goths to be much more credible than any modern interpreter or historian.

[@cheri238]

I just out anout Richard this morning 🌄

[@cepson]

King Arthur (2004) is set in the late Roman empire. Of course, it's 100% fictional, but still. . .

[@bertinii]

"Reviewer one and reviewer two who will sign up on the fate of your life" that's science ;)

[@ALEJANDROARANDARICKERT]

A barbarian, not a " barbarian"

[@PracticalBibleStudies]

Does it strike anyone as convenient that he literally started writing it right at the time the History Channel Documentary Mini-Series came out about Barbarians?

[@OlaundaDaniels-qq4dm]

Salad dressing was born Julius Caesar died and built the sewer

[@AlexGarcia-ze4yg]

So us Blacks and Latinos are like modern day Goths and Vandals, eh?

[@gamer-uc9fx]

Native Americans would be like the native indo european peoples like the basque. Remember romans were self proclaimed trojans.

[@Looter92]

In todays context Christians would be the peasants who still believe in the old God.

[@dangerdan2592]

The book was too biased for me and I felt the author was trying too hard to draw parallels to modern day situations in the US and other countries. The constant judging of the Romans by our modern morals really put me off. I guess I like history books that just present the facts with as little bias as possible, assuming they are modern books and not primary sources that will most likely be biased. It seemed he was making the Goths seem like poor innocent refugees as much as he could when the reality is much more grey than that.

[@charlesschwaboverhere5582]

The progressive liberal perspective is effeminate and weak. These guys both sound like women talking. Right down to the hypothetical male casting dialogue.

[@lillianserrano6566]

Hi

[@whydama]

Play Total War: Atilla

[@AbukaTadele]

Hy

[@lt8395]

The woke history of the fall of rome

[@JeremyHalterman]

Showed up for porn; left pleasantly disappointed.

[@jonkaasman693]

This is more a twisted-Woke version of the Goths.

[@dionnesimoneissmitten4436]

I'm a Vance tracing my geneology. Alaric is a distant great grandfather of mine. I am curious about the pronunciation of Alaric. In this video his name has 3 syllables but it feels like it should be 4 syllables with a hard I sound. IDK... Just throwing out my gut feeling. (Especially since later they use the name Vallibus.)

[@OlaundaDaniels-qq4dm]

This Satan why are y'all still here?

[@iannewton1886]

Please don't use God's Name in vain.

[@charlesrb3898]

Which one?