Alaska Airlines 737 MAX Door Blows Out

[@aeroman5239]

The blow-out occurred at a plug for an unused emergency exit. The investigation will need to determine why the plug liberated itself during pressurization on this 10-week old 737-9.

[@e.s.morgan0212]

I have a feeling Ground crews tempered or Improper maintenance with it but I mean that’s up to the NTSB to decide I have no idea if it was Boeing’s fault because this is technically the first time this ever happened so I’m 100% sure it was the ground crew or fail maintenance at fault possibly but I mean we can’t jump to conclusions saying it was the Boeing company’s fault for this incident in the first place just because this is the first but I mean that’s up to other people to decide on this.

[@whiskeykilo2h429]

United Airlines operates the aircraft with no issues. Let’s look at Alaska maintenance records since they took delivery of the aircraft.

[@cmartin_ok]

The plane is only a few weeks old. Its unlikely but not impossible that any maintenance activities have been undertaken on this "not used" door but until we get news from the investigation we don't know. However, it certainly isn't good for Boeing's reputation

[@nickolliver3021]

@@cmartin_ok the reputation of any manufacturer is not good put it that way. Aviation is on the way down

[@Part_121]

This incident is very puzzling. As a 41-year airline maintenance guy, I've seen and adjusted my share of plug doors, but almost exclusively on 727s and DC9s and mostly cargo or entry doors. I've never seen, although never tried to test it, a plug door that would fall out if horribly adjusted, as the door is still larger than the hole it is plugging. It would also have to be rotated somehow to fit through the hole. They will leak air really bad, but that usually produces a squeal that is so loud, you would not want to sit near it. You can see the door stops still mounted to the fuselage, and the door would have corresponding stops / adjusters that press against those stops. Can't wait to hear how this was possible. I'm also wondering where the door landed because, having your house, car, boat or yourself hit by that thing, from 16,000 feet, would be a day wrecker for sure!

[@Carlifurafollas]

I would feel safer onboard a 1980-built 737-200 than on a brand new MAX

[@marzoval9551]

MAX DANGER

[@ImmortalSynn]

same!

[@nickolliver3021]

just because of a door blow out seriously

[@Carlifurafollas]

@@nickolliver3021 Not just a blown out door, that’s indeed not so serious, it’s the fact that is a Max once again involved

[@luigifranceschi2350]

@@nickolliver3021 is not just a door. That was a permanent plug factory installed replacing a door, so is part of the fuselage. Had it blown off at higher altitude it would have caused an explosive decompression with loos of the aircraft. And is a miracle that the panel didn’t damage any part of the tail, where all controls are.

[@nathanielwitherow2991]

UPDATE: ALASKA is grounding this aircraft type pending inspection and full maintenance.

[@devonc8411]

They might as well switch over to Airbus.

[@ethanschultz960]

@@devonc8411why we don’t even know why it fell off

[@sayorancode]

@@devonc8411 unfortunately they wanted to switch to full boeing fleet so

[@EuropeanRailfan-AM]

@@devonc8411 They won't switch to Airbus since they are (still) loyal to Boeing, and they have retired all their Airbus A319s, A320s and A321neos.

[@keisuke5468]

Alaska Airline :- We will retire our a320 family aircrafts and commit to 737s only. 737 :-

[@jeffb.140]

Worst decision ever .. Literally going for the worst plane in modern history .. anything but 737 max's would've been better

[@keisuke5468]

@@jeffb.140 I used to be one of those who defended the 737 max, and while I still love the aircraft, I’d say it really now is the worst plane in Modern History 💀 following the footsteps of the DC10

[@johnchristmas7522]

@@jeffb.140 Its all about money-when there a pile unsold prices are good.

[@Yk3d05bm]

Like literally the most shocking decision ever, airbus to Boeing not even close to

[@daviddalton2761]

Crazy putting all eggs in the Boeing basket they will regret that

[@DCTag]

Ah yes. The 737 Max. The gift that keeps on giving.

[@nickolliver3021]

like all planes gift surprises

[@LaoFarm]

..i wonder whats next?

[@stickynorth]

Another stunning example of Boeing quality in 2023/2024!

[@stickynorth]

10 weeks old! And multiple broken bones according to the passenger posting on Reddit!

[@Turboy65]

You're very quick to jump to conclusions. Why don't you do what a RATIONAL THINKING human being does, and suspend judgement until the accident investigation has concluded and the root cause determined? I think that this will end up not being a manufacturing defect, but human error.

[@droppingemstv4283]

Boeing 737 is a very dangerous plane

[@Ray-dm1xf]

@@Turboy65 How could it not be a manufacturing defect/problem ?Humans manufacture the fuselage

[@Turboy65]

@@droppingemstv4283 You're dangerously ignorant.

[@tobiwan001]

Despite the extreme caution about the MAX it keeps making trouble. I doubt they will ever fully fix it.

[@Sadude13]

they should never allow this plane to take off again. its a real mess

[@whiskeykilo2h429]

@@Sadude13 and what is you’re capacity in the aircraft manufacturing field to make this statement?

[@halberderdier8073]

​@@whiskeykilo2h429 even non experts can see that Boeing has serious production quality issues.

[@herceg6772]

Many airlines already bought this plane. I wouldn’t be happy if I was one of them

[@tobiwan001]

@@herceg6772they also keep buying them because they are allegedly dirt cheap now compared to the A320neo - as was discussed with the recent purchase by Lufthansa. As Boeing needs to at least stay in the market they have to give more extreme discounts. However, as the A320neo has twice the orders of the Max and the A220 is becoming more successful, the market share of Boeing has fallen rapidly.

[@2chuck]

First, loose and missing nuts found on a couple of 737 Max Rudder Controls and now a door blowout in one week. Quality Control Boeing? Thank goodness these incidents were recoverable, but those two instances sound like they could have had the possibility of being a lot worse. I still remember the DC10 cargo door blowouts that took out the hydaulics back in the 80s and resulted in several crashes resulting in Grounding.

[@jeffreylei1774]

There’s also the improperly drilled holes on the aft bulkhead

[@Hans-gb4mv]

But we learned a lot of lessons from those DC-10 issues and it has made incidents like that less likely to occur. We have to wait to see what the root cause was here before we can add this on the long blame list for Boeing.

[@herceg6772]

Corrction: first two deadly crashes, then loose bolts and nuts and now this.

[@ImmortalSynn]

The DC10 grounding was a result of engine separation due to unauthorized MRO practices, following AA191 in 1979. The cargo blowout crash, TK981, was 6yrs prior to the grounding.

[@quanbui8416]

@@herceg6772 and then : what's next ? LMAO

[@scruffy4647]

Wow, that door could have struck the horizontal stabilizer and caused a lot more damaged than an opening on the fuselage.

[@42earthling]

Also, they were lucky that it happened at low altitude.

[@marzoval9551]

Alaska Airlines regretting selling their A321neos now.

[@RalphEllis]

That is a missing emergency exit. And the cabin pressure at 16,000 ft may not be sufficient to stop someone opening the exit. And why is the girl concerned shown in another picture, opening the emergency exit on a bus? Is that what she did in flight? R

[@scruffy4647]

the hole is sealed with a plug and from the inside it is covered by a sidewall so that to a passenger it looks like a normal window, not a door opening. This plug, halfway between the over-wing exit and the door at the rear of the plane, is present only on the largest versions of the 737. Not possible for a passenger to open it.

[@damnimloomin]

@@marzoval9551if this isn’t the wake up call to utilize Hawaiians relationship to get back in with airbus i dont know what will be.

[@KM-sr9cc]

It could have been worse, but luckily nobody got hurt, everybody was saved and so was the Boeing and 737 Max.

[@TheOchita]

Say that to the person that got a surprise extra door in their living room :)

[@usernamename2978]

Boeing: Quit whining! It could have been worse.

[@RalphEllis]

That is a missing emergency exit. And the cabin pressure at 16,000 ft may not be sufficient to stop someone opening the exit. And why is the girl concerned shown in another picture, opening the emergency exit on a bus? Is that what she did in flight? R

[@swedesam]

Well, Boeing is going to take a valuation hit on Monday's trading. These 737 related incidents on newer aircraft don't bode well for them.

[@TR-zx1lc]

So before, these planes were trying to fly straight into the ground, and now they're falling apart in the sky? Insane.

[@zeea320]

This is one reason why you are “always” asked to please keep your seat belts on at all times..

[@tomstravels520]

Can’t begin to imagine what would have happened if someone had been in that seat

[@Hans-gb4mv]

scared shitless, pissed their pants and worst case scared to death.

[@blatherskite9601]

Need for clean underwear, at least. Always keep the seatbelt fastened ..

[@alastairbarkley6572]

Blew out at 16,000 (from the radar data) so more than likely the seat belt would have been unfastened at that stage.

[@tomstravels520]

@@alastairbarkley6572 well if they’re sensible and kept it on might be ok. You don’t have to undo it and it’s usually best not to unless you need to get up

[@blatherskite9601]

@@alastairbarkley6572 Not mine. Always fastened.

[@K4Ediamond]

I’m scheduled to fly with Alaska tomorrow. Yesterday this exact plane was assigned to my route, but then I noticed the diverted Portland-Ontario flight, and didn’t think much of it. Now I wake up to find out this is what happened? Geez. Thank goodness everyone was safe and no one was in that one seat. Glad they swapped my plane to a -900.

[@airypotty]

This plane is jinxed. I would never fly on it, even if it was for free.

[@K4Ediamond]

@@airypotty Not sure if this was a Boeing issue but given the fact that this is a factory-fresh plane it is possible. Can’t blame anyone for wanting to avoid the max after everything that has happened to it. I’d expect this issue to be exclusive to the max 9 since the door plug that blew off isn’t present on the 8.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@airypotty why never fly on it. its just a one off occurance

[@alvinloh9068]

@@nickolliver3021 They should have placed you in the doomed Lion Air or Ethiopian aircraft; until then, if you have a chance, reply to us and tell us about your experience. Better yet, if we hear nothing from you, you're as helpful as nothing, to say the least.

[@JamesDean-cy6pm]

737 max strikes again. Once a company people looked to for safety. Now it just looks shoddy.

[@nickolliver3021]

How does it look shoddy

[@cplcabs]

pretty much has always looked shoddy. Look at what they tried with flight 811

[@1971efc]

737 MAX again --- scary plane to fly on considering this one was only 10 weeks old

[@wurlycorner]

Alaska Airlines not at all regretting off-leasing all their A321 neo's at the end of last year in favour of 737 Max's, I'm sure...

[@asaaby06]

Dumbest decision they made. I don’t care what anybody says I will never ever fly on a max. People said that it’s the safest airline after the two fatal incidents but now we had lose bolts on the rudder and this door being blown out. The plane is a complete write off

[@thegotlandisfarmer8774]

Happens when a aircraft it’s thrown together in week after Airbus told them with pants down when they revealed the Airbus A320Neo to the world, there are former Boeing engineers that have told that Boeing was not planing a new Short to medium houl aircraft at that time because they believe Airbus did not plane to upgrade the A320

[@jeffb.140]

Yup. worst decision ever

[@wurlycorner]

@@jeffb.140 tbh, they probably aren't regretting it - because going all 737 was about reducing cost for them. And it will still do that. So as with all the other airlines that choose the Max, they'll get what they pay for and they won't care about the rest.

[@bishopdredd5349]

Yep Alaska just announced they’re grounding all the 737 max until further notice. No idea how this happened as the plug panel is bigger than the actual ‘hole’ so even if loose it shouldn’t just pop out. Wonder if it failed structurally.

[@Kenny-en7wb]

If there was someone in that seat or an unrestrained lap child..they'd been gone. What if this would have happened at FL350? Probably the rear stabilizer would have been serverly damaged..Could have been catastrophic

[@mattdecker6791]

As a lifelong pilot, airplane builder, and engineering instructor, my first impression as a passenger of the 737 Max 9 was that it was a hunk of junk. Despite being quiet and comfortable, some of its observable mechanicals seemed overly complex and there are numerous aerodynamic tweaks festooned about the airframe that appear to be late additions to correct problems.

[@Testpilottim]

So lucky this heavy door did not collide with the stabilizer omg so lucky

[@matthewbaynham6286]

It's unusual for the 737 Max to have any sort of technical problem after such a clear track record.

[@malvernmudzingwa1529]

Clear track record with two hundred percent fatalities on planes?

[@Artnotforthesakeofart]

Lol

[@tomstravels520]

@@malvernmudzingwa1529pretty sure that was sarcasm

[@ImmortalSynn]

@@malvernmudzingwa1529 THAT was the point being made, genius.

[@Kiev-in-3-days]

🤣

[@Transport272]

Once again another reason why I will never fly the 737max

[@nickolliver3021]

Why should it stop you

[@tommcglone2867]

Another reason i will never fly on a 737MAX. I would fly on the previous generation 737NG though because they are excellent

[@nickolliver3021]

Why should this stop you?

[@asaaby06]

@@nickolliver3021maybe because we have absolutely 0 faith in Boeing and the outdated and flawed max.

[@busfan9874]

The 737-800 is my favorite 737

[@a.gproductions_official]

This is the second incident in the Aviation Industry just four days after the collision at Haneda. It’s only been six days since the year started and there have been two incidents already.

[@jacobzimmermann59]

Not a great start of the year. At least in both cases no passengers on commercial flights were killed or injured.

[@FrequencyORD]

feels fishy

[@itsme-vw5yo]

At least the a350 isn't a plane error

[@halberderdier8073]

It's the umpteenth incident for Boeing and the 737 MAX. These are systemic problems. I wonder how they still get those huge government contracts.

[@Swaggerlot]

Irrelevant, a totally different situation

[@heresteven]

Brings back memories of Aloha Airlines and the top section broke off due to fatigue.

[@bogdanrusgp]

Except this was a brand new plane.

[@shaggybreeks]

That plane was like the second 737 to roll off the assembly line. Built in a different facility. Very, very different aircraft. To me, it was amazing that it held together at all.

[@NishantRajF1]

Unacceptable!! Basic operational failures from Boeing and again with MAX.

[@stickynorth]

I am glad that are still banned/grounded in most markets... FOR THIS REASON!

[@IndonesiaMajapahitNDPCA]

this is most likely a maintenance error

[@Blank00]

@@stickynorthmost markets have ungrounded the MAX

[@Turboy65]

You're very quick to jump to conclusions. Why don't you do what a RATIONAL THINKING human being does, and suspend judgement until the accident investigation has concluded and the root cause determined? I think that this will end up not being a manufacturing defect, but human error.

[@Ray-dm1xf]

@@Blank00 ungrounded?FFS

[@davidcorbett62]

The Flyjng Coffin hits the headlines again… we have a combination of an airline with not the greatest maintenance record, the “Grob Screw” incident which highlighted Alaska airlines woeful maintenance and Boeing less than perfect assembly of their aircraft is once again bringing them into the public domain for all the wrong reasons

[@vacationcruiser1899]

Who else is surprised the max had another incident🙄

[@Turboy65]

I'm going to bet that the outcome of the investigation will implicate a defective maintenance procedure and not a manufacturing defect. Doors are pretty well understood by Boeing.

[@suckmysilencer747]

Corporate deregulation lobbying and it's consequences.

[@r0dani3lb]

Being such a new plane, only month old, I don’t think that any big maintenance was even perfomed… In my opinion it is morelikely to be a manufacturing defect but not a design defect ( as you said doors should be pretty well understood by Boeing )

[@Turboy65]

@@r0dani3lb Human error, no doubt. But whose? Wait for the investigation outcome. Don't jump to conclusions.

[@alvinloh9068]

They should have discarded this half baked trash a long time ago ever since the MCAS debacles.

[@mxttyzw]

Keep those Airbus sales coming! If it’s Boeing, I’m not going!

[@adolf_sprinkles]

It’s just max though bruh don’t diss the entirety of Boeing

[@nigelcanuck5943]

DJ you'll need to amend your video, it wasn't actually a door but one that is an optional emergency exit on the MAX 9 for low budget airlines with more seats. Alaska Airlines, with fewer seats has it as a regular window seat and has the space "plugged" with the interior finished like the rest of the cabin. Apparently that plug failed.

[@ddyeo503]

I wonder who found a door in their backyard?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[@judil3294]

They made it clear in earlier videos that this was not built to be an exit door in this plane, but a window. In some other 737's they said this is where they put an extra emergency exit.

[@stitch-xx2oo]

I am glad everyone was safe..

[@ronparrish6666]

Gives a new meaning to getting a window seat

[@sayorancode]

just make sure to bring a oxygen tank , and maybe a jacket , also a parachute may be adviseable if the rest of the plane follows

[@LaoFarm]

lol 😂😂😂😂😂

[@cottydry]

This was not a "door" or a "window". It was a plug inserted into an option for an additional emergency exit door which was not installed. (ie airlines configuration choice). Some reports indicate it was installed by Alaska vs Boeing. This will be more clear during the formal investigation.

[@tomstravels520]

Alaska Airlines has grounded all its 737 Max 9’s.

[@angelorobel12]

Yep, I just searched up the news that it's now grounded.

[@Kiev-in-3-days]

Shame to them for using the plane in the first place. Shame to companies using Boeing planes for political reason and putting their passengers life in danger.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@Kiev-in-3-days not really. Shame planes should not exist

[@angelorobel12]

@@Kiev-in-3-days Not every Boeing passenger aircraft are dangerous like the 737 MAX. I have flown on Boeing passenger jets multiple times and thankfully I never experienced any incidents onboard those jets.

[@jeffb.140]

They don't need to be grounded, they need to be scrapped!

[@sweetlotus9498]

Salary first - not safety first

[@nickolliver3021]

Says who

[@frankpinmtl]

Imagine of this had happened at 35,000k and cruising, when everyone had their seatbelts off...

[@a787fxr]

That's a hard core failure. Serious enough to again ground the entire MAX fleet of aircraft.

[@nickolliver3021]

Not really if happens to all planes

[@grantchallinor5263]

@@nickolliver3021 It was part of the fuselage (a panel) that failed - this wasn't an emergency exit door. This absolutely does not happen to all passenger planes.....

[@nickolliver3021]

@@grantchallinor5263 it sure does. Many BA planes have doors that break off or blow out. Or even old planes that fly. Jeez wake up

[@lorddarlo6194]

​@@nickolliver3021No they don't it would be reported here in the UK. BA are amongst the Safest airlines in the world

[@grantchallinor5263]

@@nickolliver3021 This was part of the fuselage - which doesn't happen to many planes. This isn't a "simple" door issue - it's a wider problem. The airline concerned has already grounded all its 737-9 MAX aircraft and I'm sure other airlines operating the same configueration will have to follow suit. Jeez wake up!

[@Starglance]

If it's Boeing, it's parts are going.

[@cplcabs]

If its Boeing, I aint going.

[@da480]

Boeing is ova…. This is why I’ve been writing I won’t go anywhere near Max… and now am thinking of all newly built Boeing planes. Clearly Boeing lost the ability to build quality planes

[@Turboy65]

You're very quick to jump to conclusions. Why don't you do what a RATIONAL THINKING human being does, and suspend judgement until the accident investigation has concluded and the root cause determined? I think that this will end up not being a manufacturing defect, but human error.

[@KensoranAV]

@@Turboy65Yes, literally

[@nickolliver3021]

Who says this is about Boeing building quality planes. How many doors have blown off on airbus planes in service. Keep blaming Boeing for any accidents of boeing aircraft. Wait until you can prove it is rather than jump to conclusions

[@tomstravels520]

⁠@@nickolliver3021apart from the Korean passenger who opened the door during landing……none.

[@alvinloh9068]

@@nickolliver3021no? Find one please for the A320neo family aircraft. Oh no, you can't, cause there is none. Keep crying and stay melted over the half-baked rubbish 737max LMFAOOOOO btw, this incident happened to the Queen of the floppy sky too - 747 LMFAAAOOOO

[@sumeetbeniwal6365]

Coincidence for me. I was watching a video on American Airlines flight 96. It was when the cargo door of a DC-10 belonging to American Airlines was blown out, and the flight diverted to Detroit. After finishing, I refreshed to the home page only to find this. Another video about something being blown out.

[@Hellodarknessmyolefriend]

I remembered that. Happened over near hometown of windsor. A coffin fell out too.

[@roachtoasties]

TV news keeps saying it's a "panel" but the outline of the missing section looks like a door to me. I'm not an airplane expert, so is this unused door not apparent from the inside? From photographs inside, it didn't look like any exit, mainly because the seats in that area were all tightly together, so it's not one of those coveted emergency exits rows with more leg room.

[@tomstravels520]

No, from inside it’s the same as the rest of the cabin wall

[@airbus7373]

Basically the same thing that used to be happening with cargo doors on DC-10’s, except now with a door in the main cabin. History repeats itself if you don’t learn. There’s a possibility this was on maintenance but with such a new airplane that’s unlikely

[@francisbalzer9324]

Who, on this earth, found it a satisfactory cabin arrangement to put seats directly in front of a full sized door, instead of using the mid aft door as an emergency exit ?

[@BernardLitman]

Finally, an accurate description of what blew out. A deactivated exit door...

[@bestlookins4]

Giving Boeing's track record i'm not surprised.

[@Mbartel500]

It wasn't a door, it was a panel that was installed in the door sized opening.

[@xczechr]

Must have been a hell of a view for the passengers.

[@LaoFarm]

Yeah..a view not mentioned in the itinary.😅

[@ethanmckibbin]

Someone took a video of it and you can see the lights of buildings on the ground outside it's kind of scary.

[@Hahlen]

MAX 9 fleet grounded. Sure would be nice if you had come nice A321s to replace them with huh?

[@nickolliver3021]

Really? They could be problematic too

[@p6x2]

@@nickolliver3021 No aircraft is totally immune from defects. That goes for Airbus too. However, major structural failures like this are rare. The 1990 Cockpit window blown out on an Airbus 321 causing a pilot to be sucked out, was due to maintenance having installed it with incorrect bolts.

[@SerenityNow91]

@@nickolliver3021 Dude... how much is Boeing paying you to shill for them? You reply to every comment with lies and pathetic excuses trying to defend Boeing's lack of quality control.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@SerenityNow91 you think a door blowout out is boeings lack of quality control? What lies is there? What would you do then if this is boeings "lack of quality control"

[@busfan9874]

Yep. Too late for Alaska. The A321neo's were sold to American Airlines.

[@electro_sykes]

1 week, 2 major aviation accidents. And the 737 Max is still very dangerous.

[@davidcarter4247]

First impression has to be Boeing fitted the emergency exit incorrectly. Do not know how they work but there will be a locking mechanism. It must not have been fully engaged. The exit was installed so it could be used if the aircraft was ever reconfigured with more seats. Reports said the exit was deactivated which might have had the consequence of deactivating the warning system that sets off an alarm when an exit is not properly locked. The offending exit was hidden behind the cabin lining and would have been out of sight during Alaska's pre-delivery inspection. If the warning system is deactivated when a door is deactivated, expect that to change.

[@Peizxcv]

Wasn’t it just yesterday that Boeing have loose screw problem on 737 MAX’s tail assembly? Guess there are more than a few loose screws

[@zberg010101]

Boeing will, of course, immediately start an investigation of whoever makes their planes now. They'll get to the bottom of it quickly I'm sure

[@halberderdier8073]

😂😂😂😂

[@jeanettenorman7052]

I am not so confident as you suggest. Smokes and mirrors l think from Boeing!

[@Kiev-in-3-days]

Sure. But I still never flight in a Boeing 737 Max. 😁

[@nickolliver3021]

@@Kiev-in-3-days why

[@Cj-xl3jv]

“We investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing” -Boeing for sure

[@guangxidavidliu]

Now I believe the whistleblowers said about the poor quality of Boeing planes.

[@neilpickup237]

Two questions. An aircraft's life is measured in flight hours and pressurisation cycles. If an aircraft suffers a rapid decompression, you would imagine that this stresses the fuselage more than a normal de-pressurisation. Does this still count as half of a cycle, or is it an increased value based on the altitude the pressure was lost? I am aware that aircraft can be manufactured with all the door options installed, but they will be permanently closed and often have standard looking side panels over the top to 'hide' them, I presume so as not to confuse passengers in an emergency evacuation. Exit doors have a contrasting colour around them (either a band around the opening or on the edge of the door itself - I am not sure which, or even if it matters) some doors (as in the case of the 'door' which blew out) do not have that band. Does that signify that the door is de-activated and can not be used?

[@zorktxandnand3774]

I don't know, but the plug door being ripped off mid flight, will probably make an extensive hull inspection necessary before it is allowed to fly again.

[@neilpickup237]

@zorktxandnand3774 Quite, I suppose we that we can be grateful that the door didn't cause damage to the tail, which could have rendered the aircraft too unstable to control.

[@AgeCobra]

What is it a Max 9 or 900 NG and what Ontario California or Canada ?

[@olivierbraun941]

do they have proper torque wrenches and such at all at boeing or did the the controlling mean thats too expensive and some cheap walmart sets will do the job ?

[@scottlewisparsons9551]

I think that this may indicate bad built quality. Thorough investigation into how this happened in a new plane is urgently required.

[@SyriusStarMultimedia]

The new variant 737s should never have been allowed to be rushed to market. I was contacting Boeing years ago trying to warn them about potential problems within their company. They only care about gathering the information so that they cover up deficiencies.

[@nickolliver3021]

How is this about Boeing covering up deficiencies? Perhaps no aircraft should be rushed to market to beet demand

[@waynec9444]

@@nickolliver3021 Again, do you work for Boeing???

[@nickolliver3021]

@@waynec9444 do people work for airbus here

[@Jay-hr3rh]

There were a lot of injuries on that flight. Mental, emotional, and traumatic personal injuries which my never go away.

[@wwsoapbox6921]

Was this a door with hinges? Or a panel with a door shape without hinges? I’m confused.

[@oldschool1993]

So where was this part of the fuselage built?

[@62Cristoforo]

Did just the emergency exit hatch blow out, or did the entire emerg. exit hatch AND frame assembly blow out?

[@grantchallinor5263]

I understood it was a window panel/part of the fuselage - NOT a door. It seems on this plane that the option to have an emergency exit located at this part of the aircraft wasn't taken up - so it seems it was a panel that blew out. Every passenger interviewed afterwards on TV described it as part of the fuselage - nobody mentioned that there was an emergency exit there.

[@tomstravels520]

It’s a plug door that is sealed and deactivated unless cabin density requires it, passengers wouldn’t know there was a door there because on the inside it’s just cabin wall

[@ash_hull00]

i heard the plane last night as it happened. this morning when i woke up i searched my whole neighborhood looking for a piece of the plane as it flew over my house on that flight. i haven’t found anything.

[@achitophel5852]

Is this down to Boeing's cost-cutting mania? What's the background to the story about these planes being assembled by new, inexperienced people in a new facility, many of whom have said they'd never fly on one, so bad is the assembly? Did Boeing sack experienced teams to achieve this?

[@nickolliver3021]

Evidence or keen to jump to conclusions?

[@waynec9444]

@@nickolliver3021 Do you work for Boeing?

[@nickolliver3021]

@@waynec9444 do people work for airbus here

[@bishopdredd5349]

I believe this part of the hull is outsourced to spirit? Still it should have been detected in QA and pressure testing.

[@nico5179]

Why are companies still giving Boeing their money?? Its about time Boeing start to get the message that that crappy old ass plane should be scrapped and start to build a new one. This is just ridiculous, they trying to scam companies by selling a 50 year old plane as new. I would fly on an Airbus anyday of the week.

[@Paul-hw8bk]

Last time they had option software which caused the crashes and now have option doors which self-open and fly off.

[@thud9797]

The FAA just grounded the MAX 9, ALL MAX 9 aircraft operated by US carriers or operating in US territory are grounded effective immediately pending inspection. According to the directive, 171 aircraft worldwide are affected.

[@sherimarsh3566]

The door/window that blew out is designed to be an emergency exit and has a pressurisation seal around the door/window which assists in holding it into place. Sadly when an airline chooses to wall over the exit it prevents the cabin crew from visually monitoring the door/window for issues such as a broken seal/ pressurisation leak/tampering etc. I suspect there was an issue with the pressurisation seal which caused the door/window to pop out at 10,000 feet (airplane cabins are pressurised at 10,000 feet). This also explains why the aircraft suffered a rapid decompression and the oxygen masks to deploy.

[@bishopdredd5349]

It’s not a functional door. It’s a plug panel that’s bolted in permanently, the inside has normal wall panels. You can’t see it from the inside. It’s only a door on a different model for Ryan Air.

[@sherimarsh3566]

@@bishopdredd5349 It's not a functioning door because Alaskin Airlines has chosen not to use it as a functioning door/exit. You are correct there are bolts there to hold the door/plug in place or add hinges in the event the airline chooses to use it as a functioning door/emergency exit. Some airlines have 2 boarding doors 1 in the front for boarding first class/business class/front of cabin and 1 in the aft for boarding in economy class/back of the cabin. As for my use of emergency exit I refer to my training of all removable doors and plugs can be used as emergency exits however not all removable doors and plugs can be used for boarding. Using regular wall panels is a safety issue as this prevents regular visual inspections such as ensuing the lock bolts are in place, the door is closed/locked, the seal is intact, no tampering has occurred or the door/plug isn't whistling (they make a horrible noise when there is a hole in the seal or there is dirt/debris on the seal).

[@damlatorun6756]

Of course this happens a week before my flight on a 737 max…

[@gailwatson4485]

Me too 😢

[@zorktxandnand3774]

you can choose not to.

[@ivanf4136]

You can choose another airline. I'll never fly Max. I don't want to support these clowns and their corporate greed

[@shootingsportstransparency7461]

Same type of Boeing that spontaneously fell from the sky in 2018/19 due to software errors that forced them to remain on the ground for a year. And now again hardware errors

[@nickolliver3021]

that was the smaller variant but is not related to that issue whatsoever

[@shootingsportstransparency7461]

@@nickolliver3021 That's exactly what Boeing said at the time

[@MikeCTRVLR]

A pressure sensitive part like that would normally have a flange that connects with or contacts interior components of the fuselage. Normally it would be installed by bringing it inside the aircraft and inserting it in the hole. Of course, there would be a positive seal to prevent loss of pressurization. i’m with the other posters here. There are three areas of concern. The part might’ve been defective and the flange or cover failed. Number two the part might’ve been installed improperly. Number three is one I don’t even want to consider. But, there is a small chance of an engineering error. As an ex-BAC QA person, I don't want to see another S-show for Boeing. They were lucky the part blew out at only 16 thousand feet. They must find the failed part.

[@opondob4977]

Thanks there were No fatalities on the doomed flight and let the air investigators do a thorough review of what might have caused the problem on the famous MAX airplanes....

[@SODC9]

Looks like a plug for a deactivated additional emergency exit. Great response by the crew and ATC. No accident this time at least.

[@ruhri0411]

Another crash had been the end of the Max.

[@t0iler]

The window that blew off is on the left side between the left wing and tail.

[@jacksonm.6549]

Our yearly 737 Max update. Thank goodness there were no passengers on those seats.

[@I_am_BlinkStar]

Too much has happened in the world in just 5 days

[@cplcabs]

Much more to happen this year (not just with the aviation industry, but the US starting wars)

[@lours6993]

“If it’s Boeing (MAX), I’m not going…”

[@anthonyrussell7457]

"down playing" would be staggeringly stupid. Boeing has already got a reputation for dodgy practice, any hint of minimising this will only add fuel to the fire. And now the FAA has grounded all 787-9s until inspected. Not Boeing, the FAA...

[@farangtravels3956]

I will NEVER fly the Boeing 737 Max....

[@nickolliver3021]

I will never fly the a320neo.....

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

Saying that the 737 MAX is unsafe after this small incident is like saying the A320neo is unsafe after the accident of LATAM 2213

[@robwillcox2307]

Boeing are more concerned with quantity and not quality. This will soon affect passengers' lives. Get your act together, Boeing.

[@nickolliver3021]

How is this anout quantity and not quality? Its a rare occurrence that just had to happen

[@jasonatkins1467]

How much does the door weigh, and where did it land? Hopefully not on someone's head.

[@mattdecker6791]

The best-case scenario for the Max series is that they will be maintenance hogs that the airlines will quickly dispose.

[@danb5944]

This is why I don't fly the max I don't trust Boeing anymore I fly the Dreamliner but even that's questionable .the recent events with the a350 show airbus much more reliable

[@nickolliver3021]

Yeh right evidence the dreamliner is questionable? Again why hate Boeing after this event of a door blowout? Got evidence it's boeings fault or just happy to jump to conclusions

[@danb5944]

@@nickolliver3021 the Dreamliner had the battery issues then the whistle blower from the factory after tools and scrapnel where found near important wires..then this the door falling off last week a max landing gear failed then all the other issues with certification and then the two accidents that were not accidents

[@nickolliver3021]

@@danb5944 most if that isn't boeings fault. The crashes we all know about but this doesn't make you not fly it. Its just a rare occurrence move on

[@MarkJohnson-zy4fd]

Interesting news. Trying to figure out where Alasker Airlines flies. Might be Alaska, but seems like it might be a new place, Alasker.

[@Denver_____]

Been taking 737 max in 12 flights in 2023. These ppl need to look at the maintenance records

[@ArchDuke_JD]

the 737 MAX project has been a disaster from the start...they should just ground and scrap all of them.

[@nickolliver3021]

Tell that to boeing

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

Now that's an unheard of story, a plug door being blown out... Kinda reminds me of AA96, TK981, UA811, BA5390 and 3U8633, and the Aerosucre 737-200 whos cargo door wide opened

[@soccerguy2433]

Aa96 was a cargo door . TK981 was a cargo door. UA811 was a cargo door on a nearly 19 years old 747. BA5390 was an improperly installed windscreen panel separated from its frame, causing the captain to be partially ejected from the aircraft. All very different from an exit plug on a weeks old jet.

[@alalfred3474]

Alaska should revive its A320 and A321 program from its merger. B737 has a troubling history in recent years, including an Alaska airplane went down due to tail jack screw issue.

[@jonpetter8921]

They learned their lesson....

[@EuropeanRailfan-AM]

I assume you were referencing Flight 261... That was a McDonnell Douglas MD-83, not a Boeing 737, and it was a maintenance issue with Alaska Airlines themselves

[@busfan9874]

Yeah from the Hawaiian fleet. And reactivate the A320's. The A321neo's were sold to American

[@kymw7833]

Is this a plug style door or are emergency exit doors not plug style because my understanding of plug doors once pressurised king song couldn't open it ,this is going to be interesting

[@tomstravels520]

From the inside you wouldn’t know it was a door because it’s deactivated

[@AmbientMorality]

It's not a plug style door. Plug style doors like that have to awkwardly open sideways and tend to be complex and heavy, while the mid-cabin exit door opens outward and downward.

[@masterfig9093]

It's interesting that a lot of news sites are reporting it as window that blew out. A window would have been more concerning to me as a potential major internal structural design flaw. A door could be attributed to a door not closed properly or at least a more easily corrected latching mechanism. Concerning none the less and sure glad that everyone is okay.

[@masterfig9093]

On further review, it actually sounds like it was a door plug that blew out. Based on the configuration of that particular plane an emergency door was not installed in that location.

[@NATIK001]

They call it a window blowing open because it was used as a window section. A door could be installed there but instead a plug with a window in it was installed. So for all intents and purposes it was a window section and not a door, it had no door like functionality and only functioned as a window. It only looks like a door after failure because the plug failed, however it was in no way something like a door failing to lock or coming off.

[@masterfig9093]

Right, that's why I added my addendum. Still, if there is a flaw in the design of the plug, it will be much easier to correct than if it were a failure in the general structure of the plane around one of the regular windows.

[@garyuk761]

This is a big worry!!! Boeings cost cutting is now in full swing , I will not be going in any new boeing aircraft, if I get to the gate I will turn around simple.

[@abara2012]

737 Max is a killer plane. Period. So unsafe for the aviation industry

[@nickolliver3021]

Like all planes are when accidents like this happen

[@whiskeykilo2h429]

Did you say the same when AirFrance 447 went down and Qantas 72 both Airbus a330s ?

[@tomstravels520]

@@whiskeykilo2h429QF72 didn’t kill anyone. It dropped 600ft

[@whiskeykilo2h429]

@@tomstravels520 and how many injured? Seriously. If it wasn’t for the sheer airmanship of its captain, a former U.S. Navy fighter pilot; it would’ve ended up same fate AirFrance 447. The aircraft dropped 2 times 600 feet and then again 400 causing severe injuries to passengers and crew. There’s a lot of aviation armchair quaterbacking here stating Boeing quality control issues and this is a result of outsourcing to international venders. Airbus shares this equally.

[@tomstravels520]

@@whiskeykilo2h429 rubbish, I’m not saying Sullivan gets no credit but the aircraft itself automatically reverted to alternate law after the 2nd dive therefore preventing anymore sudden pitch downs as the protections were disabled. So the only way this would have ended like AF447 is if the pilots had decided to behave like the pilots of AF447, panic, forget procedures and barely talk to each other about what they’re doing and what is happening

[@leezinke4351]

At least everyone is safe and sounds all that matters.

[@fernandopereira8313]

a 737 MAX ... successive pressurizstions fatigue... this is a serious production issue... I'll never fly in a MAX

[@nickolliver3021]

How is it a production issue amd make out you will never fly on it

[@magooracing]

What about a passenger on a previous flight messing with the door opening latch? If that is an emergency exit door.

[@AFluffyBunny4]

This is not an Exit Door. It's a inoperable door panel every 737-9 Max has on both side of the fuselage

[@mystoc3995]

selling seats near those doors now will be next to impossible