10mm vs .357 mag Underwood Xtreme Penetrators for Bear Protection?

[@bdr32965]

I appreciate seeing another KZbin channel that actually treats 10mm with respect and gives credibility to the caliber instead of acting like 10mm is only a niche round. In my opinion, 10mm is actually a beast of a round, it has a rather flat trajectory, plenty of power, and some very impressive ballistic performance. It seems almost as if 10mm can do it all and is almost perfect in every way, but that's just my opinion though.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I love the 10mm and have over 40 videos on it i think, though done are old and bad videos. Thanks for watching and the comment. Godspeed to you and yours

[@destinytroll1374]

It was James from TFB TV that got me into the 10mm for bear protection. Now I'm a huge fan and carry it everywhere!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@@destinytroll1374 we carry a lot up here too, though the only time I've used 10mm on a bear was a warning shot. I've actually shot a wounded grizzly with my .45 super 200gr Hardcast which is Hardcast similiar to 10mm

[@pj6208]

TRUE!!!🤟🏾💯

[@blakehernandez3929]

Too bad glock seems to be the really only most reliable 10mm platform out there tho

[@ejsocci2630]

Another great video and I am a .357 guy

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you sir. Enjoy your .357

[@williamk1452]

It's all about breaking bones and incapacitation not bleeding out. 10 mm, more rounds. Hard cast, flat faced with frac capability. Chest rig and spray. When you're face down, hoping she's going to let go, spray had a way of making you taste bad. The best way to survive a bear encounter is to not have one!

[@Valorius]

I personally think 9mm+P+, 40+P, 357 mag, 45+p and 10mm are all great choices. Bullet type seems to me to be far more important than the caliber of the weapon.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@jasonlommen4769]

9mm, .40 and .45 are terrible choices for bear defense. You can present your argument while he’s eating you.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah i wouldn't recommend 9mm or 40 or 45. But with the propper bullet, it will work if YOU make a perfect shot. Still not recommended

[@marktwain2053]

​​@@jasonlommen4769 All of them are pretty terrible choices if it's Griz, or Brown Bear. Either of them are better than hurling insults, but none of them are a match for a .44 magnum, .454 Casull, .460 and .500 S&W magnum, etc. That 15 rounds for the 10mm might be a good thing, but you may need all of them for what one or two of the true magnums will do. No sidearm is going to do the job of a good bear rifle, but when it's all you can get to, have something with as much horsepower as you can handle.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@marktwain2053 10mm has proven quite capable in the bear woods

[@johnny.3693]

I'm not ready to give up on my 357's just yet. Good video !

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Use what you shoot best.. but if you can handkerchief a .357, a 10mm will give you 8 - 10 more rounds and kick less.

[@k9m42]

My Glock 40 has jammed several times. If that happens, when a grizzly is charging your dead, you won't have 2 seconds to try to clear it. Plus you will never get more than one or two shots off on a charging grizzly so capacity means nothing. You need something that'll take it down with one or two shots and and NEVeR jam and that is a 44 Magnum.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

What are you doing wrong? Limpwristing

[@BUZZKILLJRJR]

Not everyone can shoot 44 magnum accurately very far or even close for that matter this argument is the test of time 357 Magnum is far softer shooting than a 44 Magnum, it may be good for some people but it's not good for everybody that's a really bad day is trying to shoot something you can't even hit it where you need to. 10 mm hazards place it sounds like either you're shooting your 10 mm wrong or your gun is not operating correctly but the reason I went with an 8 Round 357 is literally because of potential limp resting my physical limitations with my left arm racking the slide and so on and recoil because of severe nerve damage from a broken neck

[@KeenanModica]

@@BUZZKILLJRJRmost Glock 10mm jam more than other calibers. My G20 and old G29 jammed often.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@KeenanModica more suseptible to limp wristing... They can be picky with either too light loads like ppu, or too heavy loads like buffalo bore 220gr hardcast. Otherwise, it's usually user error unless you happened to get one of the gen3s that had bad extractors, which was in many calibers.

[@BrassManX]

😂 “I’m limp wristing 10mm so my solution is to go to 44 mag where I’ll limp wrist even more, and won’t have time to locate follow up shots before the bear starts chewing on me” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stillcreepytruepatriot6652]

Clearly waiting 14 weeks for a 7 inch KKM barrel is well worth the wait. If being attacked One could get twice as many rounds of with the Glock than with the revolver, unless you are Jerry Miculek.Thank you for this up load.Nice Job.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you for the comment, And for watching

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I hope that KKM barrel comes soon

[@siestatime4638]

How many "useful" shots can you get off at a charging bear? They run about 30 mph (Usain Bolt can do about 27 mph). At what range can you make meaningful hits? If the bear starts it's charge at 50 yards, can you get a good hit at that distance? How fast can you continue to make good hits before the bear knocks you over? Are you really going to need more than 6 shots in the less than 5 seconds it takes the bear to get to you? Assuming all of your shots hit a vital area (even that one at fifty yds), are you really going to have time for a 7th shot? Use whichever platform you can make the hits with; spray and pray isn't really effective in this case.

[@bigfootswatching9986]

@@AlaskanBallistics 10mm all the way in the wood's when I hike.......I use Hardcast from Underwood ammo... just in case we run into Bigfoot or anything else.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Most people can get plenty of useful shots

[@skookapalooza2016]

The .44 Mag: Leaving the efficacy of the .357 vs. 10mm for others to ponder. BTW, I love that bronze finish on the revolver.

[@failure2flinch876]

Well the 454 Casull leaves the 44 crowd pondering… The Smith 460 leaves… What a dumb game !

[@AlaskanBallistics]

. 45-70 leaves them all in the dust

[@stevetodd693]

475 Linebaugh, because that’s the biggest i’ve got

[@dalemuzingo799]

But the .50 bmg though

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@Dale Muzingo nobody's hefting a 35 lb rifle miles into the woods when shot placement is more important by far. An 800 lb bear moving at 25 mph (so a medium slow bear) still generates 4000 ft lbs more energy than a 50 bmg

[@joquin4618]

If had to choose: 10mm in a G20… But either way those rounds would put more than a dint on a bear

[@chrisklitou7573]

10mm more expensive to buy though

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Maybe. Been the opposite lately @Chris Klitou

[@chrisklitou7573]

@@AlaskanBallistics I mean the actual Gun is more expensive It's easier to find a decent priced 357 Most 10mm guns are expensive

[@AlaskanBallistics]

All decent .357 magnums I've seen are 700 plus here. Same price as g40

[@chrisklitou7573]

@@AlaskanBallistics what's better to buy a stainless steel, scandium alloy or Titanium alloy for a 357 magnum?

[@nicholasbarcomb2324]

41 Mag, because I don't have a 10mm. I do have a 357 Mag and have carried it for turkey season back east as well as during bow season in case of a black bear encounter.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

41 mag is so much greater than 10mm

[@foxhuntertom]

love my .41 but also have the Glock 40 gen 4 which is nice with rmr

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@foxhuntertom I've got a whole playlist on the .41 magnum

[@shikat2371]

@@AlaskanBallistics The .41 mag is another one of Elmer Keith's creation and it's supposed to bridge the gap between the .357 & .44 mags.. Unfortunately though, it never fully developed any mass appeal like the .357 & .44 magnum did. There's just not enough Elmer Keith's disciples left to appreciate or really need the compromise the .41 mag offers.

[@terrymattson3587]

I have my .41 mag scary hot in my uncle Ruger Blackhawk 210 gr. With 22.5 gr. of H110 and it’s accurate. Ruger can handle it.

[@gorillahd9247]

Another excellent video Chuck. You know I am a fan of the .357 mag, but 16 rounds of 10mm would be fine for me too. The big difference I noted between the two rounds was at the end of the video. The price difference printed on the boxes! On a side note - congrats on getting the 4 wheeler up and running!

[@mtower235]

After watching you and Chuke I went to the G40. I’ve got both hard cast and penetrators. I really like the penetrators. This is rapidly becoming my favorite handgun especially for hunting and hiking.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Great choice

[@thebushbunker]

🙌 i love my 40 also

[@danieledwards7178]

I Love My G40 .... i have a Surefire X400u weapons laser light on it ... Impossible to find a Holster or anyone to make me one . Guess im gonna have to attempt making one myself Unless anyone knows of someone???

[@mtower235]

@@danieledwards7178 deadman holsters mustang Oklahoma. He made mine

[@mtower235]

@@danieledwards7178 I forgot the name changed to Grey man holsters in mustang Oklahoma

[@backwoodsbrooksknives4625]

10mm, because I have a Springfield XDM 5.25. If I was on a vehicle I would probably take with my Ithaca with slugs or my Kel-Tek RFB with lake city .308.

[@destinytroll1374]

Same here, though I prefer my 45-70 with 400 Grain hard cast rounds. XDM is really an excellent choice

[@biggunshandguns3687]

For me the 10mm with heavy hard cast would be the way to. I cast so I would be able to match the load and practice with the same power ammo for much cheaper that would slow me more practice. Plus I know how well I shoot a revolver compared to how well I shoot a semi. Another cool video dude thanks for taking the time to do it

[@rolomaticz5009]

You can't use cast bullets for 10mm because of the muzzle pressure and FPS speed, only copper jacketed rounds. Using cast lead wad cutters is OK / fine for .38 special, but could explode in the 10mm pistol barrel without a copper jacket. Please don't try this, you could end up with shrapnel in your face and hands if you attempt it without a very light hand load powder charge for the cast lead rounds to under 1.1K FPS on the powder charge chart bullet weight chart. At that point, I don't think there will be enough recoil to actuate the slide spring fully to operate into battery, thus not have the needed energy to eject the slide spring fully. You can play with this in revolvers, but not in ACP cartridges where the recoil or gas pressure of the gun operates the slide / bolt mechanism to reload into battery. The $ you would save on FMJ bullets would eat up the barrel / internal chrome plating, and thus cause the barrel to degrade into failure prematurely IMHO.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Funny...b I've used them all the time and buffalo bore and underwood both say it's safe. It's soft lead bullets that cause that not hardcast. Especially not modern hardcast

[@edwardmylnychuk5774]

i am with you, the semi is easier from what i have seen on vids and having more is much better because if you dont bring it down in 6 shots you may be the one going down.

[@ToddTheGunGuy]

Love that .357 My Ruger GP100 Will keep me from being bear food😆 Hope u n the fam are well

[@AlaskanBallistics]

As long as you make the right shot. We're doing well.

[@BrianEthridge-wg6ko]

Thanks to you guys I said a lot of money I was going to get two 357 Magnums because I get two of everything that way I have a backup but now I'm just going to get another couple of 10 mm along with another 50 caliber pistol. You guys are the best appreciate you big time

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I'd still get a lever action .357 and a revolver. Good to have in case they ban your semi autos and somehow get them...

[@blackwaterdogs4256]

G20 with 10mm would be my choice as well. That`s a hard combo to beat.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The g40 just shoots so much better. Smoother, better trigger, optics ready, usually about 120 fps more than the 20 which enough to penetrate more. G20 is nice but i love the g40.

[@SoWavvyy]

Way more capacity

[@jasonperfect529]

Love them both. But more rounds down range-faster I think I will still use my Glock 20+40's. Videos are awesome 😎

[@paulcritchfield6958]

I've noticed that the newer made ammo is having more issues like primer falling out , powder amount incorrect ect. I think is cause they running to fast trying meet demands. So for new ammo check them out very good and expect possible failers of done kind.

[@chrisgabbert658]

Check your ammunition cause quality control sucks

[@paulscountry456]

Winchester is making some 22lr Botique Duds....

[@jimmybare3026]

I'd feel well protected with either but g40 with red dot sights with these old eyes all day long.

[@psychalogy]

I went in to this video wanting the .357 mag to win as I’m a huge fan of that cartridge. But I’d take the 10mm based on those tests.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Most of the time I carry them both on the 4 Wheeler

[@randystockton624]

I bet the 7 inch barrel. on the 357 would push it to 1600fps or more. The 10mm is as good but i just prefer the .357...

[@randystockton624]

7 inch barrel on the .357 would beat the 10mm on fps. Not taking anything from the 10mm it's a viable bear defense but i just prefer a 357 in a 7 inch barrel..i think their about the same but the 7 in. barrel in th 357 is a little more powerfull.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

So 7" vs 7" cool... patreon link in description

[@Wildwestwrangler]

@@randystockton624 you can get a 7 inch for the 10mm or even a 9 inch as well, but my opinion is once you get past 6 inches of barrel then you're actually making the pistol unwieldy and slower on the draw. The few fps more you'd get from a 7 inch wouldn't matter terminally near as much as having a pistol that is quicker on the draw when needed.

[@Narsuitus]

Thanks for the video. Since I own a 357magnum and do not own a 10mm, I use the 357magnum for bear defense. On the other hand, since I own a 45acp, I am now willing to try the 200grain Underwood Extreme Penetrator for bear defense.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

If you can find them, the 200gr tmj +p speer Lawman is a better choice for .45 auto. I've got an old video on it somewhere. The xtreme penetrators in .45 auto are too slow

[@bdr32965]

I wouldn't even attempt to use .45 ACP for bear defense, that would be like walking up to a bear and poking it with a stick

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The 200gr 45 +p bonded tmj from lyman will do it. Penetrates like a 10mm. Wouldn't be my first choice. But when i first moved to Alaska, it was all I had

[@bdr32965]

@@AlaskanBallistics .45 ACP is a fun round to shoot. But short, fat, and slow is better for taking down 2 legged predators, don't know if I would trust it for trying to take down a 4 legged predator, especially if that predator is a walking tank. LOL

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The right rounds make the difference!

[@bustabass9025]

I chest carry a S&W TRR8 during hunting season in Wyoming and other states, where I'm likely to encounter anything interested in gettin' a chunk-o'-my-ass. Eight .357 Magnum handloads of 158 gr. Nosler Jacketed Handgun bullets moving at about 1580 ft/ps, is more than enough to convince both four and two legged menaces that they may have just made the worst decision of what's left of their lives.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Pretty confident if you think you are gonna get eight shots from your revolver into a charging bear. Is your name Buster Scruggs perhaps?🤣

[@bustabass9025]

@@guaporeturns9472 Shoot early and shoot often when threatened, I always say! 😉

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@bustabass9025 shot a charging brownie w 45-70 Underwood hardcast..started charging at about 30yrd or so.. got off two shots barely(and I’m pretty fast) it fell literally at my boots. Any less and or fewer might have ended very differently. Anyway take care

[@bustabass9025]

@@guaporeturns9472 I'll bet you a case of Underwood hard casts, I can shoot my .357 TRR8 revolver much faster than you can fire a .45-70; no matter how fast you may be. I have shot and been trained how to shoot big bore revolvers for nearly sixty years. Most recently with three major Midwestern metropolitan PD's, in cities where I served as chief administrative officer. I'm since retired, belong to two gun clubs and spend more hours, I'm sure, at the range developing, testing, and firing myriad revolver and rifle handloads than you do. I'd take my .44 mag Ruger Redhawk too. I can get six 300 grain CPWFN-GC lead bullets in him before he can get a chunk of me. However, if I do the math, 8x240 is gonna give me an edge at stopping but certainly turning him, over 6x300. Remember, shoot early, shoot often, carry a big bore revolver along with your .45-70, and you too can be confident and safe. 👍🏿

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@bustabass9025 How many charging bears you stop? Exactly. Never implied I could shoot my rifle as fast as you and your revolver. Was just making a statement and you apparently saw it as an opportunity to jump up on a soapbox and spew your alleged credentials. I could do the same but I’ll just say in the 20 yrs I lived in Ak I dealt with 3 charging bears. Would have loved to see you try to impress a 1000 lb brownie with your rapid fire 357 skills. You woulda became a bear turd.

[@derrickwhite2189]

That's a great looking gp100 you got there! I'm in Anchorage as well and also have a stainless 4" gp100 and 2 g20's 1 g40! I keep all my 10mm's loaded with Underwood hard cast the gp100 stays in the safe.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Makes sense to me! Be safe my friend

[@mfaracing]

Your videos for the two calibres comparisons are amazing. Thank you so much!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You for watching. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.

[@ldn0224]

I have a .357 with hardcast rounds. Problem is next shot and next shot. Bears don't just go down in a fight. I don't have one yet but 10mm with penetrators makes most sense in a life or death situation. Recent class I took, an instructor relayed a story that a man survived an attack with an auto on his back driving every round he could into the bears neck under the chin. I believe one part of his survival is that autos are compact and good on close combat situations.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The first two videos in this series were on the hardcast. I think you'll like it

[@boweebles1]

The down side of a auto in that close and personal situation is that you may push it out of battery and then you have only a "click" and no round going into the bear.

[@deathtdow]

@@boweebles1 not on a 1911, or 2011, you can engage the slide lock put pressure on the trigger, release the lock and it will fire irrespective if the slide is been pushed.

[@backwoodscharlie8483]

​@@deathtdowIf you have to go through all that nonsense during a bear attack, you're gonna be supper.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Maybe

[@gsdfan8455]

I love my .357. It will put down anything I run into in the Pennsylvania woods, plus there is always the option of.38 snake shot rounds. Cool video

[@tarasbulba3190]

Including a Sasquatch? I don't know about that. 😀

[@gsdfan8455]

@@tarasbulba3190 haven’t seen any on my walks in the woods, yet

[@tarasbulba3190]

@@gsdfan8455 Just be safe my friend! 👀👍

[@bobroberson9286]

You're on the mark, I carry 5 buffalo bore & 2 snake rds in my 686+ 👍

[@AlaskanBallistics]

No snakes here

[@jamespugh]

Well toss up go to in are family always been 357mag. But moder semi autos 10mm is not a bad choice. But revolver is always going to be the better option with bad weather or if bear get u pull down ground revolver still go off push in to it where auto may not cycle. Plus got remember not ever state allows semi auto as hunting firearm. Here in Pennsylvania auto are allowed be carry but only for self defense for 2 leg attakers better have good reason on 4 leg attacker.

[@travelswithtrekkers1326]

G20 with the underwood is my Backcountry go to combo. Nice video!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you kindly. That's a good combo. be careful as Underwood has had some really hot pot numbers for me. You'll see it in my 10mm vs. 45 super xtreme penetrators videos

[@stevedouglas5443]

It's hard to wrap my mind around either of these calibers being good for bear protection. From what I have learned so far is, penetration is king.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

True and they both will do the penetration needed. Still a backup to your 45-70

[@thedirtygot9570]

I have a Glock 20 with a 6in KKM barrel, barrel sticks out about 2in so should help from going out of battery in close encounters! I can shoot a magazine in about 10 seconds accurately, so imho its the better option! my wheel gun is a 7.5in Ruger Super Redhawk in .480 Love all of your content, very well done!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you brother. Good idea.

[@brentigo]

I live in New Zealand, we have no bear or predators that we would need protection from a gun. Watching your videos makes me wish we did. Love your channel.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you brother. Glad you don't have bears.

[@brianhoxworth3881]

A 1200 pound 10 foot brown bear will make you shit your pants. I lived in Alaska for 5 years, I know.

[@failure2flinch876]

However, it appears you need guns for protection from the tyrannical NZ Gov!

[@jakobo789]

Bears are terrifying. Be happy you dont have to worry about them.

[@jarrettdossey7300]

Those two are good for Saturday night in north side Ft Worth. I wouldn’t get out of the pickup in “bear country” if that’s all I had to save life. If I didn’t already have a .460 S&W I would save my money and go buy one before I spent any time thinking about that kind of trip.

[@paulcritchfield6958]

Another issue manufacturers have now is supply of copper is in shortages. The factory 3rd shift has shut down on all manufacturers. Before it was primers.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Crazy

[@mikecacciatore543]

I like that you carry both. I as well have a set up and can carry 2 side arms when needed.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you sir. Carried a 44 mag and 10mm while out duck hunting

[@mikecacciatore543]

@@AlaskanBallistics very wise

[@paulscountry456]

Those may produce a larger cavity than hardcast,in gel the path looks like more than a rathole wound like buckshot or fmj.

[@walterpalmer2749]

Underwood ammo - good stuff. Performance is as advertised (usually better) and the components are top notch.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

N never had performed as advertised in revolver ammo.

[@texasbeast239]

Seeing the nose distortion afterward, I have to wonder if the flutes survive contact with major bones in an animal, either. If not, then what's the point of the flutes? I guess they still do help to focus the impact force on first contact, helping to break through the barrier. But it seems like they would lose all of the special flesh-swirling effect that is supposed to be a signature of Lehigh Xtreme bullets, too. Still, 8 jugs after those barriers? Mighty fine.

[@indianajets]

Here is the plus of the EPs, when they need to be like hard cast they do, when then need to be like HPs, they do. I love a bullet that stays constant..

[@jimmybare3026]

The flutes are for cutting but the main purpose is to create a hydrolic inward effect that pushes the flesh outwardly. They claim a larger wound channel than expanding bullets.

[@nn431xru1]

Thank you. I enjoyed it. On the side note...the standard deviation (SD) is absolutely irrelevant unless you are shooting past 500 yrds. For handgun ammo to be used as a potential bear defense, SD plays zero role. As far as caliber, 10mm or 357 would be the bare minimum for a bear.

[@danoneill2846]

Talk about poke the bear ... you may just as well have said you like SSTs !!!!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Lol

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I know the standard deviation doesn't matter for a close range bear defense, but there are people who requested seeing it on every video

[@h2recoveryteam2]

Outstanding. I have both and have wondered this. Honestly, I would pick up my 454 Casull. Because I do not own a S&W 500. But if out of the two you tested. 10mm All the way. Even if it fell behind the 357. Reason being. That Glock carries more than 6 rounds. LOL. Good job.

[@paulcritchfield6958]

I really enjoy the vs video. Especially when it's done by someone like yourself that's well versed in guns, hunting , ect. The tactical videos are ok but not do to much good in the bush. There 2 different animals . I kinda get excited when I see you have new video up.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you brother. EVery wednesday

[@Valorius]

When I lived in the PA mountains in black bear country I carried a 380 loaded with Buffalo Bore 100 grain plus P hardcast flat nose rounds. Never needed the gun, but I have chased big 600 lb black bears down the street with a flashlight.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Good luck

[@Valorius]

@@AlaskanBallistics I consulted with Tim Sundles, owner of Buffalo Bore in making the choice. He seems like a bit of an authority on the subject. What you need is penetration, and that round has it in droves. 40+" in ballistics gel. Black Bears are far more timid and much more lightly built than the big boys you guys have up there.

[@jamesgravel7755]

I haven’t found any under wood ammo in 10mm anywhere. I’d like to get some 200gn hardcast I’m patiently waiting. Cool test thou.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's what I mainly carry 200gr hardcast

[@stevieseasalt]

They been out for almost a year. I have about 15 cases of various underwood that I bought pre pandemic. Go to Buffalo Bore. They make awesome ammo and they have mostly everything 10MM in stock. Look at their Dangerous game rounds.

[@davekennedy6315]

That 10mm is an incredible round! I am amazed that its not become a near standard in a lot of situations? I'll admit that i actually thought the .357 Magnum was the better round across the board but its clearly same ways behind performance wise. Great test!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you. Technically the .357magnum is more powerful, see episode 2 in 357 vs 10mm, but the 10mm is certainly more than capable.

[@Hudge76]

I think either will work. I have the 10mm now and should have bought one a lot earlier.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Sweet man cool

[@404nitro]

Always a great watch brother. I would like to see this same test with a stone stock average 10mm vs that standard revo. More people by far carry a std 10 than one with a longer barrel

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Not here in Alaska where they outfit it for hardcast

[@404nitro]

@@AlaskanBallistics Oh, I am sure you are right about that, but I was speaking in general. I am pretty sure you have more viewers watching from outside AK than you do from within it, which is why I mentioned that comparison. You do great work bro. Keep it up!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Just not going to fire the high pressure stuff through a glock barrel anymore, and a 6" 1911 is expensive

[@404nitro]

@@AlaskanBallistics The Glock barrels have issues with the ammo like this? I have never owned a Glock. Also, that was my point- don't use 6" barrels. Just straight stock length barrels no matter which brand as I think that type of info would be beneficial to al your viewers that have stock guns but may be under the impression they'll get the same results vs the 357. I hope that makes sense to you LOL

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The Glock 40 is a 6 inch STOCK barrel. Glock barrels are unsupported chambers so they don't handle higher pressures as well. Can leave bloated brass

[@AMG454PRO]

Great test 👍🏻 I will say performance was about equal here.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@ckiefner715]

I have a box I haven’t shot yet for my Glock 40. Thanks for posting

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah keep them for a while.

[@troger63]

Both , they Both work great ! 10 mm is good in better loading but falls short in most . 357 is more consistent in most loadings and offers more options in reloads , can be loaded better . In a Semi auto round the 357 sig has had some impressive outcomes for me too . Most ammo brands are more consistent in that load too. The grip size , speed on target, reliability and accuracy in that round is very good 👍 all awesome guns and rounds .

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I need to do more with 357 sig but I can't find a barrel for my conversion

[@johnmunder7107]

Bears…great Dan, now the whole station is in jeopardy! That aside… I have the G20 and run the 200 grain Underwood. Good stuff.

[@davidrdanner4232]

With the choice of 357 mag or 10mm the choice for me 10mm hands down 👍🏻 It would be nice to have an autoloader in 41mag...that would be a awesome choice 😀 👌 🇨🇱 ☆ Good video Chuck 👍

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's a rare desert eagle to find

[@davidrdanner4232]

@@AlaskanBallistics And very expensive if you can find one for sale ! I like your channel Chuck.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you David

[@dbm2101]

I’ve got a 6” Glock barrel in my G20. I had a KKM Precision barrel in it but it’s such a precise tight barrel that once in a while a round would catch going into the barrel. I don’t even consider my .357. I either grab the G20 or the Ruger Alaskan .44.

[@SuperHeatherrussell]

So you have success shooting the really hot ammo out of the stock barrel?

[@YellowHammer26]

Either would work but would prefer the 357 revolver👍👍

[@jamesridings1497]

The 357 is more readily available. I'll take the 357!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Really? Nothing but 10mm here...

[@franklinmarks7845]

Brutha love the videos, the pressure...😮

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks

[@mikeriv60]

Been carrying a .357 for over 30 years and not switching but enjoyable test. In all honesty both will ruin someone's day. Lol.

[@ashesofamerica3753]

Thanks for doing a 10mm video Nutnfancy is the only other guy who does a good job of representing the 10. I just bought a Glock 20 for bear 🐻 and self defense! Thanks again good video.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you for watching and the comment. 10mm is the best mm. I've got tons of videos on the 10mm... thanks for watching

[@bdr32965]

Icarryone also does a lot of 10mm videos and gives them the credit they deserve on his channel. Most youtube channels treat 10mm as if they are nothing but a niche round, and fail to acknowledge that they are rapidly becoming a highly popular and a common caliber

[@AlaskanBallistics]

gun Sam revolver aficionado also has good 10mm videos

[@hunteranderson93]

10mm continues to impress!

[@larryrisen3113]

I have both and have been range shooting both in 4", 5" and 6" barrel lengths. If my life is on the line, I'm not sure I can fully trust a 1911 or striker/fire in the heat on the moment. Feeding issues and jam ups/stove pipe happen with ALL of them, sometimes ammo out of spec related, though Underwood has never failed me. My 357 Python revolver will always fire, and I personally seem to hit the target at distance a little better with it. In some cases you may only get off 3 to 4 rounds a big game charging is on you. Draw speed and accuracy is vital. Through heavy brush its 10mm Dan Wesson with 9 rd mag, but as a backup in more open territory - such as an injured bear you shot charging - I'm going 357 mag in revolver.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Good choice!

[@paulcritchfield6958]

I think I like hardcast more. It slower but hits hard! The penetrator faster and punches hole quick. Also they deflect more when hit bone ect. As the hardcast stays closer to its original path

[@indianajets]

I disagree, the EP in my opinion and experience goes thru bone and stays on tract. A side shot on a coyote is thru and thru shoulder to shoulder.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

They weren't designed for coyote bones. I agree on the hardcast based on my test, but I've also seen two xtreme penetrators go right through a black bear skull

[@indianajets]

@@AlaskanBallistics I get that coyote bones aren't equal to a bear skull, I'm just saying two shoulder bones and an exit was pretty impressive. That was at 50-60 yards.

[@paulcritchfield6958]

@@indianajets both do great job. To give more on my experience I had extrem pen and did shoulder shot the exit wound was way to left of what it should been. When I cut open the deer you could see when it hit the ball part of bone it started angling to left which cause it to miss heart but still hit lungs and the energy transfer damage heart. This happened 2 times the second time it hit center of shoulder and Angled to left again. When I use hard cast the exit wound it straight. Maybe I just had fluke idk but both make them dead so all is good 👍

[@garyridaught3808]

@@paulcritchfield6958 Great Report

[@3DOutdoors]

If I can find that 10mm I am going to pick them up. I do love both of those calibers.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It's good stuff for sure

[@kkirk1381]

Great video as always - I appreciate the content!!! This would also be interesting to see in a shorter barrel gun like the Glock 29 vs a Snub nose .357… I know often I’m trying to carry the smallest backup gun when out hunting and usually that’s my Ruger SP101 but also considering getting the new Springfield 10mm once it’s available (and I know many who think the same way).

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I have a glock 29 and plan on making that comparison soon. Velocity loss is a lot with both. Thank you and Godspeed.

[@kkirk1381]

@@AlaskanBallistics THANK YOU!!! Be safe and stay BLESSED!!!

[@brockedandloaded6034]

I don't hike in bear country, but u shoot under stress a lot, and just my .02, but having a grip you can find under stress and get a good purchase on is critical. People love to carry tiny guns, but its only nice when you aren't shooting it. When I've got 💩 in my shorts, I know how bad I suck.

[@markmeusel6274]

Excellent test…My go too choice for protection would be .10mm all week long and twice on Sunday. Extra mag and rounds. Thank you for proving me right. My hunting buddies can keep their .357 and I’ll back em up w/ my .10 when they run out of rounds.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Truth

[@bobjohnson1633]

Not in any real world scenario. Cops will get a paid vacation for unloading on a small child with a nerf blaster, but if you unload on a crack head, you're going to prison. Stop shooting when they stop coming.

[@Master...deBater]

I wonder how many rounds fired the average bear attack permits...I bet it's less than six! Lol..."Extra mag and rounds"...do you think bears travel in packs???

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@Master...deBater actually multiple bear encounters on a salmon stream isn't that uncommon... Many documented cases of people getting 15rds off see the ammoland.com arricle called handguns 97% effective against bears.

[@paulweaver6064]

I tried them in both caliber same, they don’t penetrate any better than standard round ball FMJ or flat nose in same caliber’s.

[@ericwheat9540]

These are my two favorite calibers for self protection.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Me too

[@RadDadisRad]

Holy shit! $11 price hike for the .357 over the 10mm

[@AlaskanBallistics]

BOught the 10mm a year ago

[@porkrind3512]

I grew up in Alaska and a 44mag & a 12g slugs would be the order of business. However I kinda like a 10mm, always wanted one. I understand the Finland ski patrol carry glock 20's for polar bear defense. I would certainly choose a 10mm before a 357mag for bear. Though I do have a box of 180g hard cast for my 357 mag.

[@danoneill2846]

10 MM is that really a question !! I don't own a 357 I have 3- 10mm pistols & a 10mm AR . I would like a Stainless 357 Marlin & your Ruger is Cool !!! My first handgun was a Ruger 357 Blackhawk 4 5/8" Great Gun !

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks Dan! 10mm baby

[@mixedmarksman5873]

recoil management was so nice on these out my witness 10mm polimor functioned fine idk why you would want to carry anything else in the woods

[@AlaskanBallistics]

They're not a bad choice for sure

[@shootem5568]

I dont have a 10mm but I like the heavy 180 grain hardcast for my .357. Im not really sure what to think of these xtreme penetrators/ other "gimmick" type rounds.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Check out my xtreme penetrators vs. Hardcast series

[@keithbalke6352]

Alaskan Ballistics Me have 180 gr HSM "Bear load" 300lbs or less should suffice

[@coyotesniper72]

I like how you compared 10mm to .357 magnum. So many want to compare .44 magnum.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah. I've done that too and it's not close. Not even close to 41 magnum

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Awesome Bullets !!!!!!!!!!!!! I would still take the 357 magnum in my S&W 686-Plus TALO edition.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Fair enough. I've been carrying both

[@javiereastwood2320]

Cant wait to move again to the US wish me luck. Nice review, for me it is both. You need a full steel pistol for reliability and a polimer gun for more ammo. Always carry a back up gun. In Spain we call that "respect gun", because you show respect to the forces of fortune, in order to not provoke them

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Welcome brother. Come on over!

[@jackbauer9077]

Nice! I like the 10mm but I’d say .357 or 10mm would do the trick, depends what you shoot best. I could see packing the Glock as main side arm and maybe a snub/2-3” .357 for a backup gun. I only get close to black bears in Smokey mtns so I just go with 10mm, .357 sig, or a .40 S&w. And then pack a smaller 9mm for edc and switch from deep penetrators to HP’s when in town.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Definitely a good choice there!

[@marekburza7425]

I have changed over from hard cast .44 mags to ext penetrators for my bear protection needs this year

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I've got a whole playlist on xtreme penetrators vs. Hardcast. You might be surprised

[@heavyleadenthuasist38]

I'll carry my 357 in bear country if I have to and with hardcast ammo, btw that 10 mm is a pretty sweet gun. I think both are decent choices and you get faster follow up shots. The 10 mm has more capacity though so definitely something to consider. I did a test with some medium fast burning powder and I found a sweet spot with unique and the Lee 158 gr RF. I am pushing it 1200 fps out of a 4 inch ruger and it penetrated a dinner plate and 4 milk jugs. Also went through 8.5 inches of 2x4s. Recoil was pretty mild it just felt like a hot 38 special tbh.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice load

[@heavyleadenthuasist38]

@@AlaskanBallistics thanks I’m curious what powder do you like best with 10 mm?

[@danoneill2846]

@@heavyleadenthuasist38 I had good luck with Blue dot & 2400 as well as unique in 357 . 10mm = AA#9 , Power Pistol , unique .

[@heavyleadenthuasist38]

@@danoneill2846 never tried blue dot or power pistol but I love 2400 and unique in 357 magnum.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Starting to load 10mm now.. using power pistol for the these loads

[@oldocsimms7411]

Thanks for the vid Chuck!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you for watching Doc!

[@dickeymoore4264]

I have both but carry the Glock 29 10mm for EDC!!!!

[@RadDadisRad]

For the hood bears and wood bears. 🤣🤣🤣

[@dickeymoore4264]

@@RadDadisRad Not just hood bears but all fool bears!!!!

[@texasbeast239]

@@RadDadisRad - Dang straight. 10 for the hood, 10 for the wood.

[@dickeymoore4264]

@@texasbeast239 And 10 to know you GOOD!!!!

[@Gator-357]

I use my Ruger Alaskan in .460 S&W mag. for bear protection. My .357s are for edc

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Ruger Alaskan in .460?

[@rob10ring]

Shot to shot, it looks like either pushes an individual round deep enough.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@Natedoc808]

Love my G20 so much I got a G29 for edc. I’ve got a couple loads in 155gr and 180gr that are below max charge that are well over 600ft lbs.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I've tested those 155grs on my 29 and got nearly 700 ft lbs.

[@Natedoc808]

@@AlaskanBallistics yup. The 10mm is the ideal auto pistol round IMO. When I first got into pistols some 17 years ago I got a .40 as that was LEO/FBI issue so ammo was cheap and readily available, so when I got the G20 I thought it was gonna be a bit more harsh to shoot but overall I love shooting the 10mm. It is a very smooth shooting round especially with medium burn powders even when you load it pretty hot. My favorite part is I can reload 40/10 on the same set of dies, same projectiles and same powders.

[@vashmatrix5769]

Definitely would go with the 10mm too.

[@thokozanimaphalala7336]

Both wins. It all depends on bullet selection and shooter's ability to place shots on a right spot of the bear in question and gun's reliability. For now I own a .357mag in 6" barrel and a .357 Winchester model 92 lever action rifle. I think it's a good combination. I respect 10mm but still reluctant to own it bcs I own a .45ACP in Glock 21. If I add 10mm I think I will have more guns than I need, it won't serve any purpose and it will be just a nice to have gun. Your videos are super I must say 👍.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Amen! Nothing takes precedent over the Shooters Ability! Thank you for watching and the kind words. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.

[@bigmike716]

I'd have to go 10mm. Carry G20 for EDC

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@tony55752]

In the old days similar bullets were made of bronze but the forces of evil have put a stop to that. What a shame, performance would be even better. I have a very similar Glock 21 and am putting together a Glock 41 in 460 Rowland. Just waiting for the barrel kit. You are making excellent videos for this purpose.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You! I chose .45 super for my 21...

[@GODWITHUS0712]

The real question is has a 357 Magnum which full power loads ever been to Africa and taken down a cape buffalo in two shots. If not then it's no match against the 10mm whatsoever, because Razor Dobbs has with his Dan Wesson 5 inch barrel 10mm. He killed 2 cape buffalo with his 10mm

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's a good question

[@theodoreheintz7891]

Consider: Legal & science-y barrel length = measured muzzle to breechface. .357 Cylinder = approx. 2". There's more so called 4" or 6" barreled revolvers than 6" or 8" barreled pistols. Using same muzzle to breechface length, e.g. 4" barreled .357 & 6" 10mm, e.g. model 40, 10mm = favored even further.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

THat's why I used a 6.5" 10mm and a 6" .357

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

That’s not particleboard that’s oriented strand board OSB.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you

[@Valorius]

For anyone interested in this topic, ammo land has done an extensive ongoing study of every documented bear attack in human history where a handgun was used in defense. They have found that handguns of all types to date have been 97% effective against bear attacks. It's a great study and can be found on their website. It is a must-read for any Outdoorsman who finds himself in Bear Country, in my opinion.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

We've shared that article every time

[@Valorius]

@@AlaskanBallistics Yep, it's a great resource for sure. Incredibly informative and useful. Pretty much as long as you don't rely on a 22 revolver vs polar bears, your odds are pretty good. LOL. One thing the test does illustrate, no caliber that starts with a .4 or larger has ever failed in a documented bear attack when a handgun was used for defense. That's probably a pretty solid clue!

[@drewtibbe77]

I’d like to see you test that Federal Solid Core 10mm 200 grain! I did some testing on my own with it and so far I think it might be decent but I’m not 100% convinced. I don’t own a chronograph and I ran out of water jugs before I was able capture a round that penetrated water. They did penetrate 9.5” of 2x4s stacked and I was able to retain that bullet. With my last 6 water jugs they penetrated all 6, split them all down the middle and exited (I did not have anything in front of them). Any interest in that round?

[@danoneill2846]

He may have tested that back in the day

[@drewtibbe77]

@@danoneill2846 well I’m not sure because it’s relatively new. I think I came out last year? I’m actually at my cabin right now doing some more unscientific testing of it right now.

[@danoneill2846]

@@drewtibbe77 I think he tested 2 like that , 1 may have been a 190 gr JFP , Possible the other was 180 ?? Your talking about a copper solid ?? I will link the one if I can find it .

[@AlaskanBallistics]

If i can find some sure, but federal usually loads weak

[@danoneill2846]

@@drewtibbe77 This is likely not the one you were talking about . For a stock Glock barrel ( what I have ) this is the load I would likely use for bear . I would trust it to feed better than some of the Barrel shaped bullets .kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKLUcpacjqp7rpo

[@JohnnyTchya]

I use a XDM 5.25 with underwood 220g hard cast. Didn’t go with the G40 because I didn’t want to need get a second barrel for hard cast.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

A fair point. To each their own!

[@JohnnyTchya]

@@AlaskanBallistics So long as it works and I’ll bet my life on my combo even though I never want to need to test it.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed my friend

[@williamcramer7623]

I have an old 357 mag with a 6 3/4" barrel. Have had this since 1979, it is my carry firearm when out of town. Very smooth and accurate. I have thought about getting a 10 mm, but have not decided yet. I have quick reloads for the 357, and continually practice with it. Since I also have a 357 lever action, it's handy.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's an awesome set up. Get the 10mm just for fun! Godspeed and thank you for commenting

[@williamcramer7623]

@@AlaskanBallistics Of course, if I go where there are bigger threats, I carry my 30.06, or my milsurp 8mm, that I have a scope on. I have thought about changing over to 10mm, as now I can get a Henry 10mm lever carbine, and get a sidearm in the same caliber. I am just used to the ones I have now though, they have served me well. I have not bought anything new in more than 20 years, and while what I have are old, I have kept them in great shape. My advantage is my son is a gunsmith. He has hepled me keep all my "stuff" in great working order. 10mm has been going in and out of popularity, while 357 has stayed relatively consistant. Thanks for your posts.

[@williamcramer7623]

@@AlaskanBallistics Also, I have always tried to keep tools that are necessarily specific to what is needed at that time, with not much extra. That way, I can concentrate on having plenty of the certain calibers I have. Living conservatively, while having plenty to accomplish the task at hand.

[@leepeterke4376]

Love my Smith 686 plus in .357 Magnum

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It's a fine gun

[@duanebauer8133]

10mm is the way to go and more has more rounds.

[@paulcritchfield6958]

True but also more likely to fail as revolver be less chance of jam ect...

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's why you buy a quality 10mm

[@biggunshandguns3687]

@@paulcritchfield6958 you know I've been hearing that for years and with today semi autos that just doesn't seem to be a valid argument. If you keep your gun clean and use quality loads that you have tested a lot and you have trained a lot with that is really a none issue. The last time I had a problem is when American Eagle ammo didn't have any powder so how would that been better in a revolver the primer would be shoved the bullet between the cylinder and barrel keeping you from opening the gun or just pulling the trigger. I just don't buy that tired old argument

[@lw7238]

You're talking about ammo with no powder, not the gun. No gun will work with powerless ammo. Two different issues.

[@jgalloway3154]

@@paulcritchfield6958 True but if you miss with a revolver good luck on your reload and you will be under stress.

[@empireoflizards]

I guess it would boil down to which type firearm I was more comfortable with. Never shot a 10mm but my Dan Wesson 6" is certainly pretty snappy. On a side note, the .357 in 20" lever action is intriguing from what I've seen. I haven't measured .357 in mine yet but did measure .38 special 158gr. Federal; box says 770fps and I got over 980fps and it was louder than I expected, lol.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Awesome.

[@tompeterson7576]

10mm hits harder than the 357 mag.

[@bobjohnson1633]

10mm has heavier, slower bullets with less energy and less penetration. Most 10mm is loaded to 40s&w specs, anyway.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@bobjohnson1633 10mm has penetrated more than .357 mag more in 4 out of 5 test videos here.

[@seethebutter]

10 mm is a beast

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yes sir it is

[@teamstucker624]

Great video 👍 I have both rounds in multiple guns. I say ether round has great benefits in the woods down here in the lower 48.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@dylanbrown3840]

100% Glock 10mm you get 15 rounds compared to 5-6 I'm the 357 with equal or greater ballistic performance

[@bdr32965]

Also the 10mm shoots at a flatter trajectory than most other rounds, and since .40 S&W is the little brother to 10mm it also shoots a flat trajectory as well

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Trajectory is about speed and b.c. I think the 9mm out to 100 or 150 is flatter

[@laszlovandor4770]

Great video ! My g20 with 6"KKM any day in the wild, and in da hoood.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice choice

[@indianajets]

357 mag wins, when you carry a lever action with it.. fps around 2200 with that 140g..

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's fast.. I'll have to test it.

[@indianajets]

@@AlaskanBallistics that's hand loaded.. Underwood was around 1900-2000.

[@whiplash8277]

The 10mm seems to perform very well. As for a handgun, that's my choice for wilderness protection.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice. What model do you own?

[@whiplash8277]

@@AlaskanBallistics Have the M&P 10, 4.5" and the XDM Elite full size. Love them both!

[@jorgradtke8219]

I’ll take the semi auto every time! Simply for capacity and speed. I carry a S&W 460 mag some times just because it’s way cool but usually I carry a HK VP9 9mm with the extreme penetrators.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Not in grizzly country i take it then?

[@jorgradtke8219]

@@AlaskanBallistics Houston -Wasilla area. Chance for Brownies but mostly Black Bears.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah I'd still go geavier than 9mm

[@jorgradtke8219]

Maybe there’s a video. Compare 9mm extreme penetrators to 10mm extreme penetrators. It’s a matter of means to me. All my pistols are 9mm except my 460 mag. So that’s what I carry and use the best ammo to make it viable bear defense.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Here you go i made that video! Sorry it's short barrel only. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqnJppyJg9-Ya80