Albert Camus vs. Jean-Paul Sartre

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Please give a like if you enjoyed! ⌛ Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 1:20 The Friendship 4:03 The Shadows of Conflict 5:58 Camus’s The Rebel and the Explosive Feud 9:36 Their Conflicting Responses to the Algerian Crisis 14:44 Camus’s Death, Sartre’s Obituary and Disdain for Camus 17:08 Conclusion: Camus vs. Sartre

[@Feds_the_Freds]

Fantastic video! Maybe, you want to pin your own comment, so people see it, as you took your time to write it down ;)

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

@@Feds_the_Freds Ah thanks for letting me know Marco I didn't realise this one wasn't pinned

[@nativeseedbank-thailand]

@TheLivingPhilosophy I definitely liked and agreed with your emotional preference for Camus... but do also equally believe that Sartre 'got things done' (intellectually) in an epoch when attempting to get things done (by others) required 'steely' philosophical commitment to the fight against facism! Hoohar! Camus' idealism was the foundation for his absurdism and very sadly cut short by his early death! However, his profound greatness can still be found in his published work whereas Sartre's remains somewhat dampened by his intellectual vanity! The fact that Camus was also an excellent goalkeeper probably sways the competition for me personally... although reading 'The Stranger' was also just as remarkable! Highly recommended reading for those who haven't! Excellent video... much thanks! Crack on!

[@TheArchives111]

The deepest darkness that was not contained in Satre that was loosely connected to rationality and conscience in reasonings, was eaten up with the stubborn pride of being correct in everything that led to the decay of deep philosophical relationship with Camus, thus the acidic discourses between them to the severance of a friendship of two different philosophies. Keyword, 'contain darkness' is crucial for those intellectuals that is not bound to morality or rationalism. This is reasons why Dostevsky are disgusted with intellectuals. JamesWhiskey

[@bschneidez]

Camus' criticism of Sartre is shockingly applicable to today's intellectuals, almost 100 years later. Disconnected from real life, and shockingly uncaring for regular people in the name of dreams... yet that's exactly what they accuse literally everyone else of being.

[@MrRational59]

Todays intellectuals are disconnected from real life? Do you have any examples?

[@yt-dm8ns]

@@MrRational59 Some examples include Science, Religion, Woke culture, Cancel culture, BLM, LGBTQ, mgtow and feminism. These examples are meaningful and harmless until individuals associate them to what is "correct", heroism or justice. "You are too proud blindly marching forward with your zealous cause that you don't realize you leave a turbulence to ruin those that are and are not involved to pick up the pieces. It makes the people with good intentions look bad and crass. It ruins privileges for them and omits their problems creating a cycle of hatred and retaliation."

[@Kova-ow2en]

@@MrRational59 are you really that blind?

[@aaronwimmers8904]

​@Kova-ow2en That's not a response

[@roon1sicunt]

I can help. Take the greens party of Australia. They are willing to vote down any slightly progressive legislation in the senate in favour of “not progressive enough”. This garners favour from the intellectual middle/lower class for the purpose of spite toward the wealthy, even if it means leaving the most needy/vulnerable in their current disposition. This allows them to maintain their increasing voting base among young impressionable intellectuals empowered suburban mums, all the while stifling any pragmatism that offers help to the poorest from the centre left.

[@freddychopin]

I truly appreciate what you're doing. Philosophy has been a lifelong interest of mine, but I sometimes go for periods of time without delving into the thickets of its weeds. All of your videos have a high level of information density, but are presented with utmost clarity, and you imbue them with a personal element that keeps things engaging. This is just the sort of material that keeps my passion for philosophy alive.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks Steven that's high praise I really appreciate the kind words it's comments like this that put a dumpload of fuel in the engine and are the reason I'm still doing this so thank you

[@PanagiotisLafkaridis]

Word.

[@dreuvasdevil9395]

is ur pfp chopin

[@freddychopin]

@@dreuvasdevil9395 it is. Supposedly it's a portrait by Delacroix, housed in Mallorca.

[@Jide-bq9yf]

Amen to that .

[@VliegerNL]

Bravo! Well done. I “met” Camus while in high school in France and 45 years later he continues to be at the core of how I have lived my life. And you could not have described him any better!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Wow! You met Camus! That's awesome he's someone that's had such an impact on my life - being my initiator into philosophy - that I'd just love to sit down for an hour and have an espresso with the man

[@bananaemon2339]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy lol... We study Camus early in highschool in France, while Sartre is more introduced to students in arts & letters classes specialities... The man of the people, for the people vs the social elitist ?! Sorry for the shortcuts and thank you for your dedication it was a great video definitely will watch some more ✌️

[@JuxJacy]

​@@TheLivingPhilosophyCamus died 63 years ago so it is indeed miraculous that this person met him 45 years ago lol

@@JuxJacy Quotes.

[@JuxJacy]

@ Yes I understood but the person I was replying to thought he actually met Camus.

[@Eternalised]

Fantastic work! Always wanted to explore the contrasts between both thinkers.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thank you! Yeah it was a deep rabbit hole exploring the topic but it was great to see how their relationship went and what they thought of each other's philosophy

[@RafaelMarques01]

Here we are again, friend

[@skakried7673]

I have always liked Camus' writing but this video made me love him even more. A compassionate socialist with no stomach for violence or injustice. Man after my own heart.

[@bschneidez]

He was also a certified gigachad. That man's life was absolutely amazing

[@athefitz]

Exactly my sentiments.

[@theyabib3323]

Violence of the violently oppressed and the violence against those oppressed are quite different, even when you don't view it favorably, it is reactionary to side with the police hammering in on protestors (for example).

[@skakried7673]

@@theyabib3323 I agree that there are times when the use of violence is neccesary but it should never be the first option. Violence should be used only when all other avenues have been exhausted. Even if it seems right to use violence against the oppressor and can be tempting to enact vengeance against an oppressive force using violence when there are still other avenues to explore only serves strengthen propaganda against a cause. Should open revolution against an oppressor become the only option then that road should be followed but not before things such as reform have been tried.

[@theyabib3323]

​@@skakried7673 I disagree, kind of. I think that violence is justified as a response to active violence, not acted out by one group of the 'radical intellegensia', and properly organized, but popular protest as a means of expressing popular discontent with the current order.

[@fran9420]

it's crazy to see this much information condensed in such an entertaining video! great work!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thank you!!

[@kumarsamal9624]

engaging would have been a better word

[@usernamesta3334]

@@kumarsamal9624get a job lil bro

[@PaulStCyr-nt6ox]

Can’t get over how good this is. Watched it over and over and showed it to my friends who aren’t normally interested in this kind of thing. Loved it.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

That's a delight to hear Paul glad you enjoyed it so much!

[@doublegunguide]

This is the most glorious roasting of Sartre. what a delight.

[@Ray-k1g]

I think those that read Sartre enough would disagree with this video on it's villainizing of Sartre. Sartre was ahead of Camus' and much more realistic, and those who haven't read enough, maybe misunderstood.

[@satnamo]

I rebel. Therefore, I exist. The mystery of life lies not in staying alive, But in finding something to live and die for.

[@ОлегБобров-в7ъ]

Sprüche 12. Götzen-Dämmerung. Hat man sein warum? des Lebens, so verträgt man sich fast mit jedem wie? -Der Mensch strebt nicht nach Glück; nur der Engländer tut das.

[@prboddington]

Really interesting video. Your account of Camus and how Sartre attacked him really has lessons for today when anybody who attempts to take a nuanced view on politics or moral debate is trashed and derided.

[@chillhopdrumz1862]

Political disputes NEVER age well, problem is those who are a part of those disputes never live to the day to see how intellectually petty it is.

[@LuluTheCorgi]

@@wisherofsnowdays if you think "women should have rights" is an extremist position I guess you are right about that

[@yaw1492]

@@wisherofsnowdays Enlightened centrism from what I've seen just now browsing through their subreddit mainly makes fun of people who believe both sides are right and each of their points of view should be taken seriously. Camus was not a centrist . He was a socialist and a noted leftist who supported unions. He had disagreements with the bourgeoisie left and the methods of tyrants who co-opted leftist ideologies yes. But at the end of the day Camus politics was that of the left.

[@rodmac81]

HaHa, yeah i think its actually very simple. Lets try to not be ideologues.

[@comradecam9530]

@@yaw1492I hate how people have tried to take his criticisms of the USSR as a sign that he was opposed to left-wing politics. People do the same thing with Orwell and it’s incredibly disingenuous.

[@clementcardonnel3219]

I don't know why as a Frenchman I came to an english-speaking channel to learn about two of my fellow countrymen, but I've found your videos very clear and informative. Great job and thank you!

[@gilcostello3316]

After 50 years of distinguishing between Camus' and Sartre's philosophies, this is the best contrast I've come across.

[@Lordofthewhyz]

I absolutely loved that video. I didn’t know much about Camus before, and during your telling of his story, I found myself becoming quite moved by the integrity of the man. I really identify with his instinct to want to put morality above politics. I find so much of the current polarised social climate is as a result of people placing politics into a higher order than it should be. Thank you, sir. I’m going to give your channel a lot more interest now.

[@Gandalfsomme]

I love this! My GF is a huge philosophy reader and I'm a novice on the subject. I am looking forward to growing my knowledge, and my "sense of place" watching more of your videos. Critical thinking and an appreciation in knowledge/history are lacking in this society IMP. I have the upmost respect for your time and intellectualism on philosophy.

[@stirnersretrowave5094]

Albert Camus definitely wasn't a liberal though and was way more left-wing than a standard socialist. He was an anarchist. More specifically he was an anarcho-syndicalist. Whenever state socialism, or state capitalism to put it more bluntly, has been implemented, anarchists have always without fail been persecuted as soon as it takes root. The most prominent case of that was the USSR's purging and persecution of hardline left-wingers not soon after the October Revolution. For Camus, siding with the statism Sartre desired wasn't just hypocritical, as that goes against the anti-statism inherent in anarchism, but he was saavy that aiding that would be painting a target on anarchists like himself should Sartre's ideal state capitalism overthrow the elitist regime before it. As Camus said, "it is the job of the thinking man not to be on the side of executioners." To Camus, the state, no matter its form, was nothing but an enclave of executioners which he justifiably distrusted and detested unlike Sartre. I'm really surprised you didn't bring that up as it was a very big reason he came to dislike Sartre.

[@jordil6152]

For me, the difference between Camus and Sartre is that you can find Camus' most famous novels in a used bookstore fully marked up and underlined--they were read, re-read, and read again very closely. Sartre, on the other hand, is hard to find in a used bookstore. In a regular bookstore, the only thing you're likely to find is Being and Nothingness--new, and unread. Odds are, you'll buy it in your 20's and it'll gather dust on your shelf well into your 40's. Maybe it says more about our culture than the writers, but the people have spoken. My own copy of The Stranger passed through at least 6 owners and is as marked up as a subway bathroom. I like that about it.

[@sweetesthour]

beautifully said!

[@RBGRBGRBGRBG]

You can definitely find more than simply b & n by Sartre in a used bookstore & Of course Camus has aged better (in the west at least) as he was ultimately an idealist who redefined his own version of idealism under a banner of ‘the absurd’, and who, among other things, disagreed openly with totalitarian and tyrannical governments and systems, a very popular blanket sentiment agreed upon in the west (even while some of his actual actions in life contradicted these beliefs) and, importantly, Camus was and is better known as a novelist than a philosophical writer, and we all know that in our current and very anti intellectual world, any good novelist will always be better known to a degree than a writer whose body of work is defined (as Sartre’s is) more by works which are less explicitly entertainment and more interested in overtly communicating ideas which are often difficult to express let alone understand in the reading of them. Camus writing entertainment which disguises his own philosophical and ideological manifestos was more accessible and by their nature more easily interpretable (even if their interpretation is as varied) but that doesn’t mean that Sartre’s work isn’t found scuffed up, marked in and notated or that he didn’t also write novels which essentially did the same thing. Those novels are only lesser known, if they are, because of what is now considered to be a greater importance lying in his denser, harder to read books, which Camus never even attempted. Personally, I’ve been able to take in things from both writers but I disagree with your premise that ‘the people have spoken’. ‘The people’ have a harder time digesting one’s work over the other, which does not necessarily form a preference. Not to mention, whose to say that Camus even did this by design or whether or not his more simplistic approach and it’s supposedly larger readership, is not just a fated accident and a byproduct of his inability to write something as large in scope of thought ? If Camus is more widely known or read it is because he is more easy to read (and misunderstood) and his writing is more about what any one reader sees in it than what any of his actual points were (at least by comparison). Sartre was controlling of his inner narrative and so endlessly afraid of being misunderstood that his works are often denser to the point of being pedantic but if he’s considered lesser, it’s only because he was more cynical and less willing to fall into an idealism that he knew would never really come to fruition. Camus has a spark of hope in his work that Sartre’s never did which is more attractive because we all want a reason to hope. Camus attempted to connect with humanity while Sartre attempted to explain it’s nature for better and worse. But this hypothetical posited certainly isn’t because Camus was a better writer or even necessarily because his ideas were in any way superior (as this comment seems to imply).

[@Mutiny960]

Appeal to popularity? Pathetic. Just because he's unpopular says nothing about the substance of his writing or his arguments. The fact that you decided to write an entire paragraph about it says everything about you, and nothing about him.

[@circuslife888]

Thanks for sharing. Albert Camus is my favorite Philosopher. I've been reading his works and discovering more about myself in the process.

[@JurinoJr]

@Mutiny960 that was a bit „acid way of talking“, but I think you are right. Whoever was „right“ or „wrong“ should not be dictated by how THIS society reads their books.

[@andilivingston2871]

YES! We often look at their philosophies outside of their original context, and we lose a huge piece of the puzzle when we do so! Great video

[@pprehn5268]

When Covid Started I read Camus' "The Plague" and that prepared me completely to the stresses and complexity of society we witnessed here.

[@korendan3338]

Insane how troubling and relevant this is today, especially in regards to the October 7th War...

[@dominikakowal324]

Dziękujemy.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

And thank you 🙏

[@dennischanay7781]

Just found this post. Wow. Incredible. Rich. . I love Camus and always felt this way about the Satre dispute but could never express this eloquently. Thank you!

[@dillonjohnlane]

The addendum at the end was very refreshing.

[@stitt_sumie]

I think your well presented thesis between the two philosophers has proven themselves of time. Camus has grown to be appreciated and much loved. On the other hand Satre is fading in comparative popularity. I can only see this divergence increasing over time.

[@boxingjerapah]

Thank you. It always irritates me how these two are bracketed together. Camus was not only the superior thinker and writer, he was the superior man - as you point out by studying their respective lives.

[@vodkatonyq]

Couldn't agree more. Camus' moral clarity was sorely needed back then and in these radical, extreme times as well.

[@gremblebean]

I don't think we can say one is superior to the other. Camus' morality fits with my own. We can't understate Satre's contributions, even if we don't agree with his ideology.

[@ivatorres4515]

What has puzzled me for a long time - and still does - is the fact that such different writers, with opposite views about "socialism" - the rebel and the revolutionary - were both awarded the Nobel Prize!

[@joecurran2811]

​@@gremblebeanYes we can. They are different and by definition, one must have better, or more applicable views than the other. Saying otherwise is a cop-out.

[@andrewwebster5913]

I'm here due to Externalised's suggestion! And what a suggestion it has been; fantastically eloquent and well-constructed exploration of the relationship between Sartre and Camus. Thank you! And keep up the great content!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Ah really? That's awesome I've a lot of gratitude for that guy and a lot of appreciation for his work. Glad you're enjoying the channel Andrew welcome aboard!

[@justdriveon]

19:20 I appreciate your humility.

[@shyman3000]

I love this. For the longest time i have felt that the split between these two men was emblematic of something very important and relevant to our current times. Really its about friendship (Camus) over ideology and politics (Sartre). I was always more partial to Camus and have become more so over time. This story is a great one for anyone who finds themselves in the throes of toxic political movements and culture wars.

[@j.d.snyder4466]

Excellent presentation. I read most of Camus' works when I was an undergrad, many moons ago. I didn't understand as much as I wanted but here finally you gave me the socio-cultural context I lacked then. One personal quirky note, Camus reminded me somewhat of James Dean and there was the non-sequitur link of The Rebel and Rebel Without a Cause.

[@CodyCannon11]

Thank you very much for this. I have a philosophy discussion group in China that I lead, and we read through Sartre's Existentialism is a Humanism, Camus' Myth of Sisyphus, and next Camus' The Stranger. I have a personal interst in both thinkers and have wanted to dive in deeper as I have been reading their works. Thank you for this background story.

[@dominicestebanrice7460]

FWIW, you taking a personal position here is much appreciated and earned you another subscriber and content sharer. I've admired Camus for decades and detest Sartre as a philosophical fraud. Sometimes academic neutrality or journalistic balance is unjustified; Camus was a brilliant intellectual and good man; Sartre was a POS.

[@ApplesOranges123]

Thank you for your help on my journey

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Glad to be of assistance. Thank you for your generosity!

[@douglaswright2143]

You have summoned up with great eloquence my thoughts, difficulties and struggles in modern life: the means must represent or reflect the ends.

[@swaushort]

Very well explained, I greatly drew from this. And the ending disclaimer is very genuine. Thanks for the presentation.

[@ΑλεξίαΓκούμα]

Albert Camus is my friend and companion since I read the "L'Étranger" in my early 20's. I fully agree with you and the way you represented him and Sartre is totally right.

[@caramason56]

“The only values worth defending are love and the mind”🌹

[@JP51ism]

*A very well done précis ~ with corroborating details, without getting us "lost in the weeds."*

[@jimsteele9559]

Excellent channel, just discovered it. Don’t know how it escaped me. Very good.

[@kevinrombouts3027]

I really appreciated your candid approach. Fascinating.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks Kevin!

[@fierypickles4450]

What a moving episode. Thank you for your work.

[@stevencrosby9891]

I can't imagine how much time and effort went into this. Amazing work.

[@taylorvoss-smith7598]

Fantastic! Context adds so much more depth to what i had already understood about both characters.

[@kennethgutman3465]

Though I avoid the overused word 'literally', this time it fits. Camus literally brought philodophy to life and you do yeoman service in making that clear. You're doing good work.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks Kenneth!

[@nolanolivier6791]

I grew up in a fundamentalist cult, which I left at 17 to join the military; I read The Myth of Sisyphus after my release and it largely shaped my personal outlook. I completely empathise with your emotional assessment. The trouble with the historical right is that they're typically rather exclusionary, but the trouble with the left is that they're often so utterly unlikeable. We aspire to be Camus, yet we find ourselves so often in the company of Sartre.

[@gaebitch3200]

Who do you find unlikable, the politicians or voter base?

[@Abu3elawi]

appreciate the display of humility at the end, great video thanks

[@blackopsmovers]

Truly one of my favorite philosophical comparisons. Excellent job sir!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thank you very much!

[@nickjames7914]

Damn didn’t expect this turned to turn into a Sartre diss track midway through lol

[@tomw4918]

This is great work man, thanks for putting in the effort

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks a million Tom!

[@rebekahcrossman4690]

A million thanks for your video and setting a framework from which I can better understand why I had conflicting thoughts while reading Les Mains Sales. I see now why, as my views are more aligned with Camus - whom I hadn’t read since school so all these years I lacked a deeper understanding of him. This has opened a whole new world for me so now I will read much more of their works.

[@thebougieman7297]

I love your work man, you make excellent condensed content without missing any important notes. Recent watcher and a big fan. I just wanted to say that while this video definitely encompasses the relationship between Camus and Sartre, as well as the specific reasons for their split, however I think your coverage of the French colonization and brutal occupation of Algeria was a bit lacking, with all due respect. Over the course of 200 years, they managed to pretty much decimate the population (they killed about 1/9). They used to put people in ovens and gas chambers, or in some cases where villages were suspected of harboring or aiding resistance fighters, the entire village was gassed in the dead of night, erasing entire tribes with men, women and children. The French still have and display the skulls of different Algerian fighters. The way in which France tried to brutally suppress any resistance to their rules and then were shocked when people started fighting back is not something that I think should be looked over, and I feel as though in this video it was. The previous reasons I've heard is that it's too complicated to ever get into, which leads to the narrative nowadays of just seeing as the Algerians as rebels against the French. It's a very simple explanation, after promising Algeria it's independence if it were to help fight the Nazis, the French immediately reneged on this promise after D-Day. People protested in completely peaceful protests, to which the French military came to Algeria and force and responded with machine gun fire. That's according to French sources. I love your content and this video, I just hope that in future this issue can be represented properly rather than glossed over due to the fear of implicating the French in some of the worst war crimes post-WW2.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

I really appreciate this input. It's a part of the story I wasn't aware of so thank you. Definitely requires further understanding

[@ESCPIAPT]

Your excellent presentations deserve a very wide distribution. All the best.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks DW! Hopefully someday they will get it!

[@zerothehero123]

Not only informative, but also deeply inspiring! Thank you for this! I'll salute on camus tonight!

[@skeshavarz60]

Great work! Very informative! Thank you so much!

[@Mosaic631]

This channel is SO GOOD! keep it up man, and thank you!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Haha thanks mosaic! The support and love is much appreciated!

[@Dionisio34]

Besides the clarity with which you explain things, you are blessed with a soothing voice; perfectly fitting for the work you do here.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thank you that's a delight to hear

[@MiMa4x01]

id love to see a video dedicated to camus's views on politics!

[@johnnyray9107]

Same

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Well to be honest I wrote so many different scripts for this video exploring different aspects that I think I could quite easily do that I'll add that to the list!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Noted!

[@johnnyray9107]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy This video felt so jam packed with context that I am missing but am eager to check out. Admittedly I haven't seen the rest of your channel so I'll have to check out the rest of your content. I came after I saw your post from the philosophy subreddit btw.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

@@johnnyray9107 Yeah there was so much that I had to pare out it could really have gone on for over an hour but tried to constrain it to the topic and avoid all the juicy contextual tangents. Welcome to the channel hopefully you'll find a few more gems lying around here!

[@gebremenfeskidus9567]

Absolutely spot on! Excellent analysis. This is precisely why I love Camus and loathe Sartre.

[@evansaleeby5186]

I really appreciate your representation of the nuance of Camus, which too often is disregarded.

[@sheddat]

Not bad to note that "The Rebel" is highly influence by one of the most underrated philosophers of all time: Max Stirner

[@TimBitten]

I absolutely adore Camus and his thoughts. They have helped me immensely. As for Sartre, while I’ve admittedly not dug very deeply into his actual writings (and it seems many of them are misguided), he is almost like the opposite half of the same person as Camus. Which means that he does have some meritorious thoughts, but is ultimately mistaken. There have been a few of his quotes on existence and life in general that I found extremely poignant. It is possible, it seems, to have many good thoughts while serving what turns out to be an unsavory cause.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Yeah y'know what you are right. While some of his political thoughts are a bit off for me his existentialism and his actual philosophy are quite interesting I think it's just the way he handled the Camus situation and some of his political evaluations tainted the cup for me a little

[@IrrationalConsumer]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy Agreed, I learned of Satre as a person after I read Being and Nothingness and it definitely altered my love of his writings. However, I still feel that his work holds a lot of merit especially in regards to bad faith and it's relationship with sincerity.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

@@IrrationalConsumer totally agree and at some point I do want to dig down into them on the channel. There's a lot of baby in the bathwater

[@joecurran2811]

​@@TheLivingPhilosophyIt's hard to be credible when you're obsessed with injustice and you're an apologist for Stalin.

[@the_krym]

17:46 as an Algerian let me correct you sir.. Camus did not advocate for the right of the people of my country.. he was advocating for the situation were French colonization stays in Algeria, he himself said once (there is no Algeria without France).. the FLN you called criminals were men and women trying to free there country from the real criminals (who came to thiere country and did all of the bad things one can do).. and all Camus wanted is for his friends and close ones to stay "in piece, lol" in the FLN peoples country.. so Sartre was the real one who was true to his higher ideas.

[@veiled33]

Good video! Camus was in the right in the conflict with Sartre, but I will note that Sartre was not entirely the doctrinaire revolutionary Marxist he is portrayed as here and was frequently on the receiving end himself of the criticism of not being committed to the revolution (he took this criticism to heart sometimes too much, though).

[@milkspank9140]

Not only was Sartre actively involved in the French resistance, he served in the French Army. He was a POW for a bit. Not sure you did enough research on his background.

[@sheenapearse766]

Really profound discussion of the Rebel vs the Revolutionary, the Humanitarian vs Utopian ideologue , the Compassionate vs the intellectual bourgeois advocating state terror / violence . Philosophy in truth is not words, but actions shown in our lives , and Sartre was a hypocrite who did not participate in the class war he advocated . Great and moving presentation . Thanks !

[@doyle6000]

Thanks!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks a million again Dean!

[@doyle6000]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy no worries!

[@matgonzalez6272]

I’m a huge fan of Camus’s work. I found your channel due to the collab with “Ideas Sleep Furiously”. The first video of yours i watched was on Nietzsche’s “God is Dead”, and i realized how badly i’d misunderstood that, but i’m glad to see i did actually understand Camus’s work properly. I tried to read Sartre but found him daunting. a Friend always explained him with a joke: JPS sits in a cafe. He asks the hostess for a coffee with no cream. She replies, “I’m sorry sir, we’re out of cream. Would you like it with no milk?” He explained that the lack of a thing doesn’t mean it “isn’t”, just that we can’t perceive it. Camus on the other hand, seemed to me more concerned with discovering how the subjective could fit into the puzzle of the objective (or at least that’s how i read The Stranger). The Rebel’s condemnation to become a tyrant in turn helped me realize that the revolution always seems so concerned with dismantling but never with Day one of the New. It made revolution feel so much more real, and in turn thinking so much more important. I’m really intrigued to see more! thanks so much for all you’ve made so far, and keep making more please!!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Haha yeah the Sartre is an obscure classic! I agree that Camus is a much more grounded sort of figure thinking into the real concrete world implications of philosophy. Glad you're enjoying the video and welcome aboard! Hope you'll enjoy the collab on Sunday!

[@evansaleeby5186]

regarding revolution, I think Pete Townshend said it best " meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

[@gavinferguson2938]

That's actually a very good way of explaining how Camus aimed at approaching the same issues that Sartre did. I think Sartre established new ground with his thoughts, the notion that a person could give their own life meaning was certainly a massive leap forward in the modern philosophical outlook of your average reader and thinker. It was invaluable and required, but Sartre took that idea and expanded on it by explaining how the formation of subjective meaning was itself a form of rebellion against the cruel indifference of the universe. I never took Camus works to claim that meaning itself could not or should not be created. His forms of philosophical suicide did not encompass Sartre's philosophical conclusions. It simply refined Sartre's idea surrounding "bad faith". Instead, I think Camus sought to refine Sartre's ideas into a more digestible format while also elaborating on his own ideas surrounding rebellion, suicide and life.

[@sergiobarbieri4950]

Yours is a very well constructed channel. In a sense you apply Occam razor to your presentations. In a short video you manage to deliver lots of informative views on different topics. Hope your followers will grow. By the way your depiction of Sartre is absolutely right and the choice of Orwell's considerations on Sartre and the likes was brilliant.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thank you so much Sergio! I love the comparison with Occam's razor!

[@jpy2102]

Thank you, this is timely for me because (apart from studying both thinkers) in my lifelong family conflict I mirror Camus and my family member mirrors Sartre.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

My pleasure John!

[@jdsadinger]

Great vid, I appreciate the depth of references you can pull from. That Orwell quote was something, have to pick up the book it's from.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

My pleasure Jay thanks for watching!

[@swatisharma1669]

What a wonderful video! Thanks for making it so easy to understand!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Delighted to hear it thanks Swati!

[@raoulkid]

you are way, waaaay better than most of my uni professors

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Haha thanks a million! And also condolences on the uni professors 😬

[@MarioChilaq]

Congrats! Very good job. You present the information in a clear understandable way even though you condense a lot of information in a short period. Also, you give the right amount of context which was something that I was looking for. Thanks! Can you recommend a good book about this topic or Camus’ life or what is the best Camus’ book to start with?

[@Anonymous-vd5yt]

His references are linked in the description. I think all of Camus’ books are accessible relative to other philosophy, so I would just go in chronological order.

[@lavendeer6290]

Sartre was in the French resistance and a WW2 POW. Roosevelt and Orwell quote to round it all off with no discussion of their ethics and contradictions of course.

[@AmitRahman_LoneWolf]

Thank you for changing my views on Camus.

[@stevenmqcueen7576]

This video is a real tour de force. It takes a sixty year old philosophical dispute between to French men timely, relevant, even important, and the juxtaposition of Albert Camus and Teddy Roosevelt is nothing short of brilliant. One hundred "thumbs up."

[@briankirwan6958]

Read the Outsider and the Plague as a pennyless student in Waterford many years ago. Much to stew on. This was good. Satre was a the worst sort of upper class snob; the humanist who hated people.

[@bobbygros]

Great video, really happy to have found your channel! How about doing a series about Max Weber and the ethics of responsibility and conviction? I’d like to have your take on that!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

I actually just finished a book called The Genesis of Modernity and one third of it was about Weber. First proper encounter with him and I can tell you I am excited to dive deeper and start talkign about him. Not sure when I'll get around to it but he's definitely on my radar

[@Lucario-xv5vq]

I see Sartre I click video. Thanks for the upload!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Haha great stuff Lucario keep on clicking on the good stuff!

[@m.b.crawford5464]

This is a great duo to pair off against each other. And the fact that they were once friends and later enemies makes it more engaging. They both represent the age-old philosophical conflict that goes back to ancient Athens between the sincere Philosopher (Camus) and the Sophist (Sartre). There are people that turn towards Self (Sartre) and people that turn towards a higher ideal or God (Camus). Gollum and Frodo represent a kind of scale between these two notions, and we all lean toward one side more than the other. I think Sartre will become more of an historical artifact with time, while Comus maintains a modest relevance. I'd put Simone Weil's work above both of them combined though. She acted on her beliefs to the point of absurdity, which is why I think Camus appreciated her so much. If we all followed her example, the world would be a radically different place. Well made video, I've subbed.

[@bearlogg7974]

Satre having a existential meltdown hearing Camus suggesting people have to be alive as to work & build a community

[@levinb1]

Really interesting video showcasing these two intellectuals. One was a true philosopher, and one was just an intellectual.

[@nknae3115]

This was such a beautiful video, I'm rather a beginner in philosophy but this video makes me so interested into Camus work.

[@camilaferriolli7996]

This is the classiest slam dunk on a philosopher I've ever seen

[@sgringo]

I'd wager that neither of these men could write better than you can. Your content is nothing less than enthralling. Really well done.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Haha that is very high praise indeed thank you for that

[@Dawit1385]

So, for my fellow weebs, Sartre is Sasuke after the fight with Kaguya, and Camus is Naruto after hearing Pain’s speech and realizing violence is never the gateway to liberation.

[@chazmena]

Some of the best summations of the rift b/w Camus and Satre. (Which is the rift found in liberal democracies -- of which I espouse). Camus is also the better writer, IMV. L' Stranger remains among the best books of the 20th century, daring in its psychological exploration. Today, we would call the protagonist as someone with ADHD, and leave it at that. If I may share a practical matter. Please slow down. I had to play your video twice to get the finer points, ones that are worth considering. It felt like you had given yourself an alloted time within which to pronounce your essay, rather than sharing with us or delivering to the viewer. That's an easy fix. I've subscribed, sir. Thank you!

[@freedomworks3976]

Great work thank you

[@jumkieman111]

You are a hero for this one my man.

[@DavidGonzalez-sw5ex]

thanks for the video and your effort, this was super informative, entertaining and made me reflect a lot on what I know about these two men. Best wishes from Mexico

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Glad you enjoyed it David thanks for watching!

[@lapipesmoker3751]

Thank you for the care and effort you put in to providing these videos!---Todd

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks a million Todd! That means a lot!

[@fribersson]

Excellent and accurate video. Only addition is Camus declining to sleep with De Beauvoir. Your portrait is accurate. I studied both and am well acquainted. Sartre can be better understood through the lens of narcissism / psychopathy, and Camus as the antithesis. When his wife tried to commit suicide because of his infidelity, he stated « I don’t feel guilty. I feel responsible. » Sartre started with his conclusions and worked backwards. Camus was a thinker, nuanced and humane. Actually looking to improve the world, for everyone, actually caring. Compare to Sartre’s contempt for others. Another good video, I didn’t expect that, well done 👍🏼

[@caramason56]

Two brilliant and inspiring philosophers 😊❤️🌹

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Agreed Cara!

[@faiaazkamal]

While I agree with some of Sarte's criticisms of Camus . Sarte himself seems more of a utopian socialist rather than a scientific one who views communism almost in a religious manner rather than a grounded materialist way.

[@noah5291]

I don't see how anyone could call Sarte a materialist. He believes in absolute free will which is practically incompatible with materialism

[@Ben-ux6sw]

@@noah5291 that is a complete mischaracterisation of sartre's view on freedom. Sartre believed in absolute freedom to choose one's own ends not absolute freedom to achieve them.

[@JoBlakeLisbon]

There are socialists who aren't Utopian?

[@marcor343]

Hi James. Again a great vídeo. One values the most what one sees, desires and misses without ever having experienced.... Admiration and respect,... One Can understand without agreeing but can never agree without understanding and you Can't take the man from his sociology and they were just to polarized appart. Kind regards.

[@andreasroyem3937]

Thank you! I did like this very much, and are going to share it

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks Andreas thata means a lot!

[@Gomer1800]

Brilliant, thank you for your work. Learned so much

[@jessebenpappas]

Brilliant take, sir. We are not worthy.

[@devnullskull]

Great video man! Really enjoyed it!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Awesome Kenneth thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@peronomuchannel]

I love this work. I understand if you worry about missrepresenting any of the parts, which I don't think you did, but why would would you care for it being imbalanced? You took a stance and that's absolutely fine. And I think it's pretty safe to say that in the long-run, it seems Camus is winning the battle by a safe margin.

[@VerveQuest72]

I've always felt the same and I'm glad someone has pointed it out even in their writing you can instinctively tell the classes nature of Sartre versus Camus. Yet sadly students today lump them together as existentialists one in the same when they were far from that