Alcohol Stove Experiment ? : Goshawk OP-100 Vs Trangia B25 Vs Aluminium Can..

[@thomasmusso1147]

👍👍👍 .. interesting comparison .. thanks. Fill the Aluminium Can with Ceramic / Glass Wool, Fibre Glass or a strip of tightly-wound Carbon Cloth. Burning efficiency is not compromised and the risk of flaming fuel spillage in the event of an inadvertent knock over is greatly reduced. Extinguishing the flame then, in the can .. blow it out. Years now, I have been using my Trangia Burner with the fuel compartment filled with lightly-packed Glass Wool and topped with a strip of tightly rolled Carbon Cloth to keep everything in place. Burner efficiency does not appear to be ('eyeballed') noticeably compromised. Lighting the burner in below-freezing temperatures is easier and I can put a pot straight onto the pot stand thereafter .. not having wait for the 'bloom' and not have the burner go out due to it not having come up go 'operating temperature'. And, possible knockover spillage no longer an issue. Thanks for sharing .. take care ..

[@bushgearreview]

I will have to keep a look out for some fire resistant cloth to try out. I used to have heaps of it from working in the coal mines years ago. I would like to try in the Goshawk.

[@QuantumPyrite_88.9]

I have the Trangia , Svea and knockoffs. The best alcohol stoves in the collection are made from 2 aluminum beer cans. Thanks for your comparison video. All the best.

[@thomasmusso1147]

👍 I have the Trangia, a 'White Box' Alcohol Stove, an Optimus 8R 'Hunter' Benzine (White Gas) Stove, two Esbit Folding Stoves, a Camping Gaz Bluet 206 Butane Stove .. which all get regular use and a horde of self-made Alcohol Burners (liquid and Gel). Some of my favourites are those made from 200ml Aluminium Energy Drink Cans. I use just one Can .. the Top and Bottom cut to size, Tab removed and some extra holes punched into the flat top section to suit. Fill the top section with Ceramic / Glass Wool, Fibre Glass or a strip of tightly rolled Carbon Cloth, 'flute' the bottom rim of the top section to facilitate it's insertion into the bottom base. Works great!

[@bushgearreview]

Thanks for sharing 😊

[@maxlutz3674]

I have a few Trangias and a couple of cat can stoves. I really like the Trangia as it allows to keep unused fuel easily and the simmer ring is good for cooking and allows to extinguish without burning the seal. When used with the cook kit wind resistance is not so important. The kit provides an excellent wind shield. The cat can stove is light weight, cheap and incorporates the pot stand. One rides in my car in case I want to boil some water for a coffee. It also served me well at home during a power outage.

[@bushgearreview]

👍😊 Do you have any problems with your Trangia rubber o-ring shrinking a little and falling out. I do love having the Trangia charged and ready to go and coupled with simmer ring provides some variable versatility. Can stoves are amazing given their ultra low price. The best stove is the one you have at the time😊.

[@maxlutz3674]

@@bushgearreview No I don´t. My 30+ years old burner of a Trangia 25 kit even has its original o-ring. For maintenance I clean the o-ring and apply a very small amount of silicon grease to it once or twice a year. The ring should feel dry after application. Excess grease can clog the nozzles. I do that as maintenace with other gear like torches too.

[@bushgearreview]

Thanks for the tip, I might give it a try👍

[@g-r-a-e-m-e-]

I feel that a simmering ring is crucial, and for that reason alone, that makes Trangia the best.

[@bushgearreview]

It's hard to beat atm😊

[@MadMadCommando]

It’s also made of brass which is extremely important for the camping aesthetic

[@lapicker1010]

I on the other hand, despite being a frequent user of the Trangia, have never used the simmer ring for anything other than snuffing the burner. I treat it more like cooking over an open fire by varying the heat by moving the pot/pan.

[@gonagain]

The yellow flame tells me that you're using isopropyl alcohol. If that's the case then you'll really like the difference that denatured alcohol makes! It burns hotter and cleaner.

[@bushgearreview]

I am using methylated spirits, which could be the bittering agents/chemicals giving a yellow flame. My understanding is that methylated spirits(metho) is denatured alcohol, but with the addition of bittering agents added to stop people from drinking the spirit.

[@a.b.4824]

@@bushgearreviewThe best fuel imho (also concerning health issues) is not methanol (CH4O) but ethanol (C2H6O). Burns blue and hot and is relatively cheap too

[@dasta7658]

I go back and forth on the alcohol stoves. I take the alcohol stove out for day hikes but go back to gas for overnight or longer hikes. I tried Kero for a test but found MS to be better. Thanks for taking the time to do the tests and thanks for posting it!

[@bushgearreview]

I am glad to hear you go back and forth because that's how I feel. I can not make up my mind, lol. Having said that, it's great to have choices and then go on how you feel.

[@bikeradam]

I have one that looks like that trangia, but it has 3 crowns, NC68, and svea on the bottom. It came in a cool looking cook kit with the same markings. Even has a bottle with some funny writing on it. I got it at goodwill for $5

[@bushgearreview]

That's a bargain 😊

[@fallyn2920]

That is a Trangia, but made especially for the Swedish armed forces. It's a beloved and good piece of kit. The three crowns signify the Swedish army. They're a bit different by design. Still Trangia.

[@TheAgentDeus]

like @fallyn2920 said, 3 crowns means it's from Swedish military, I do not know the difference between current one and military one since I do not have them side by side but I have used both of them. I know that the one I used in military, didn't have extra lid for simmering.

[@wayneberry8703]

Great review and well done 👍🏼. I like them all… I have a Trangia and love it.

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou😊 Trangia is a classic, hard to beat. I will not stop looking, though, lol.

[@georgelstuart]

When I clicked on the video I thought you were using a classic "coke can alcohol stove" with top and bottom, with jet holes. that seems like a better comparison because that is what people actually use

[@bushgearreview]

I wanted to show how effective an open Coke can really is, as opposed to manufactured engineered products.

[@JediStockTrader]

@@bushgearreview But there is NO POINT if no one would even use the open can since that is very stupid/dangerous

[@bushgearreview]

Why is it dangerous?

[@markraciborski4289]

You need a simmer ring to put out the flame. Using the cap with destroy the O ring, silicone seal. Flames and heat aren't something you want to constantly apply to them. That said, is a silicone seal better an O ring, for leaking, tightness?

[@bushgearreview]

You are right. Don't use the cap to put out the flame. I must admit that the rubber oring has suffered because of this. Filming and talking, things get out of hand, lol. In theory, silicone should be better, but time will tell.

[@Ron-kn6ur]

I just came across this vid. I had the Trangia mini stove for about 5 years but eventually the holes started plugging up which I tried to clear using a pin but it didn't help. This limited the flame output and heat distribution through the holes so I ended up throwing the stove away and getting a generic type which looks the same as the Trangia but was cheaper in price. I also found that Isopropyl alcohol produces a lot of soot so its best to use methyl hydrate. I've never heard of the Goshawk OP-100 and it seems to provide a better flame.

[@peterdd4994]

I suspect that your over filling the Goshawk stove if it has problems blooming in under that minute time frame., I tend to use 30mls as the go to volume of fuel. Re the Trangia vs the Esbit stove - they are muchly the same for flame / heat output with a slight more efficiency to the Esbit but only just... PS Goshawk do make a simmer cap. AZ1 module for Era burner

[@bushgearreview]

Yes, the goshawk was overfilled @ 40ml. It shows how little the Goshawk's capacity is. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the Goshawk(i do enjoy using it and watching the helix flames), but it lacks capacity as opposed to the trangia. I thought I saw a simmer cap for the Goshawk but was sold out?. I haven't seen the Esbit alcohol stoves.

[@Sokol10]

Aluminum can did very well for their cost. 😉 If that flaps are folded for inside probable will be more efficient, due the capillarity effect against the wall.

[@bushgearreview]

It sure surprised me. Good point. I might have to try folding the flaps the other way.😊

[@viewsandreviews180]

Thank you for sharing an interesting comparison and theory. Efficiency in fuels is usually determined by volume per time to temperature. In that case the trangia would be slightly more efficient than the other designs tested because of its faster time to boil. I believe most alcohol burners are used with a wind screen so wind resistance isn’t a major concern for most users. That said I prefer the trangia for several other reasons; the heat can be regulated, I already own a few and the trangia knockoffs are much cheaper than any goshawk model I’ve seen. Thus making a trangia easier to purchase for more people interested in alcohol burners. In an interest to be forthcoming most of the time I use a wood burner of some sort when I’m in the forest because I don’t have to carry the fuel it uses and rightly or wrongly I feel I’m cleaning debris from the forest. Keep up the good work.

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou 😊 I agree that most people would be using windscreens. The Trangia sure is hard to beat. I love burning timber mainly but have really fallen in love with alcohol stoves lately.

[@viewsandreviews180]

@@bushgearreview I understand that. Alcohol burns much cleaner than wood thus not sooting and creosoting the outside of pots. I’ve found rubbing the outside of my pots with bar soap before use over a wood fire to help with cleaning though. The straining can be thought of as “love marks” though lol.

[@bushgearreview]

I might try rubbing bar soap on my pots.👍😊

[@3goldfinger]

Just came across your channel. All about timing. In the middle of testing "my simmer ring". I already have the Trangia like burner from Goshawk and was thinking about getting the other stove for testing the simmer ring. I have it all set up for filming, just waiting to get over a cold. I see you are in Brisbane too like me.

[@questions6746]

The "run out time" is important because it tells you overall fuel efficiency. IE: How much fuel is left over after boiling the water?

[@RicMor200]

Great video, thanks for sharing. I love alcohol stoves, and own a few, but have never owned a Trangia. I find it unnecessarily heavy, and looks too old-school for my taste. My top favorite burners are the Goshawk swirling OP 100, the Toaks Siphon, and the Trail Designs 12-10. They all have their pros and cons. The Siphon is faster but less fuel efficient. The Goshawk is more efficient but slower and a little heavier, however it’s the best looking of all and has a cap to keep leftover fuel. The 12-10 is the lightest, and I got separately a simmer ring that works great, but it’s the most delicate of the three. If you step on it by accident, it’s over… you’ll be cooking on open fire, assuming there’s dry wood around.

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou 😊 I am really enjoying the alcohol stove journey. I will have to look into the toaks that you mentioned.

[@twowheeledadventuresuk2739]

I love the simplicity of the Swirling flame stove and the stand it comes with makes it a very simple and light package which is really efficient. The stand for the swirling flame actually fits on the trangia but you then obviously can't use the simmer ring. The trangia certainly is more adaptable, I recently bought a triangle for it, makes it a great set-up for one pot cooking - but for ultralight trips the Goshawk wins hands down. I also have a goshawk ERA burner, that thing is like a rocket, boils very quickly, but putting it out is scary! (pretty easy with a bit of damp rag). Thanks for the effort of doing this, appreciate it

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou Do you have the AZ-100 stand (I have ordered it but waiting on delivery). I am keen to try it out with the swirling flame. The Goshawk ERA burner has a simmer ring?

[@twowheeledadventuresuk2739]

@@bushgearreview yes the AZ 100 stand - and no the goshawk doesn't have a simmer ring but if you use the AZ100 stand with the trangia you can't use the simmer ring. One of the reasons I bought the trangia triangle is so I can use the simmer ring and use a bigger pot - just bought an MSR 13L ceramic pot, which is non-stick, I want to do more one-pot meals instead of buying dried food meals or boil-in-the-bags - and I guess that is a downside to the swirling flame or ERA burner is that they aren't really suitable for bigger pots, but are awesome for lightweight trips. The other bonus to the Trangia triangle is that trangia now does a gas stove that fits in the triangle (there are amazon knock-offs as well), makes the trangia set up very adaptable.

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou for your detailed information. I will look more into the Trangia triangle. I know they are quite expensive, at least in Australia to my knowledge.

[@podden22]

Good test! I wonder how the trangia with the simmer ring would do.

[@bushgearreview]

Check my other video out with Tangia simmer ring

[@robertcooper2427]

Hi I have used Trangia stoves for many years in the UK. As sealevel and mountain top, in the worst weather you can imagine and it has never let me down. Have never found a stove that works so well in high winds. A fantastic bit of design, why would you take anything else

[@bushgearreview]

That's good to hear 😊. What sort of pot stand/ wind shield do you use?

[@britinmadrid]

Great video! It was nice to see such a detailed comparison.

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou 😊

[@nathnjac5444]

Good job mate. Thanks for sharing. If the trangia was regulated I am guessing it will come closer to Goshawk in reduced fuel use

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou 😊 The Trangia simmer ring comes in handy for regulating and conserving.

[@bangalorebobbel]

Nice comparision yet I think the coke can was a bit in disadvantage because the burners were placed all at the same height but the coke can's flame comes in that test deeper than one of the other two. That might make quite a bit of a difference since the distance of the flame to the pot counts. Else I would suggest to maybe also test, one day, the Swiss Army Notkocher M71, which consists of a simple tin with a lid and a little stand put on top of the can in order to form a complete stove. It comes usually with alcohol gel but can be refilled with alcohol (or gel, of course). It is in fact one of my favourite alcohol stoves, followed by my DIY beer can alcohol burners and finally the Trangia ...

[@bushgearreview]

I am going to have to look into the M71. Looks good😊

[@bangalorebobbel]

​@@bushgearreview yes give it a try, I can imagine that you might go to like it from first sight ... Sharing a little bit from my experience: You can always refill that stove with gel fuel or simply with alcohol (that's what I do normally). If you don't burn the whole gel content down but only up to 50% or so, adding alcohol and stirring leads again to gel, which will become with every refill more liquid, of course. If the seal doesn't do its job anymore, you can simply put a piece of a plastic bag or so in between can and lid, it helps. And apropos seal: better use your mug to kill the flame and not the lid, and wait for a while to let the can cool down, as the heat might affect the seal.

[@Rob_65]

Good overview. I go back and forth between white spirit, alcohol and gas burners. I love my Trangia and the simmering ring, that allows me to drop the flame to a level where there is not to much flaming around the pot (wasted energy). I have also seen people using different percentages of alcohol (91, 97 and 99.9%). Less alcohol also reduces the flame and I am curious to test myself what the impact on the amount of used fuel and the cooking time is.

[@bushgearreview]

Does less alcohol burn cleaner?

[@Rob_65]

@@bushgearreview I had to rush to the shop to get a new burner, the old one was used with Dutch "brandspiritus" which contains a blue color. The new burned burns without any soot. I tried bio-ethanol (> 95%) and the same with 10% water. The bio ethanol hardly gives any soot and when I rub the botom of my pan with a piece of white tissue, I only see a little bit of soot coming off. The diluted version does not show any soot. As a plus, the golden-brown discoloring that I get on my titanium pan is less with the diluted ethanol. The diluted version burns a bit longer but it also takes a bit longer to cook the water. Logic tells me it's about 10% more 😉

[@Rob_65]

@@bushgearreview I forgot to mention this is in line with what is written in the instructions. The plastic bag the Trangia came in reads: "To avoid sooting, dilute the fuel with 10 or max. 15% water"

[@fire7side]

I've been kind of studying it out and I think the trangia and goshawk both are similar to an open can because they are open in the middle. So, a penny stove would maybe be more efficient. How much, it's hard to say. Some people have put rolled up carbon felt in the center part of a trangia but the results are kind of inconclusive. If it's too thick, it tends to slow down the bloom too far. I think you can only make miner improvements. The simmer ring is the real advancement in the trangia. The other things you can do would probably be better like presoaking the food so it needs less heat and using a pot cozy and taking it off the heat early. Being able to put a sealed lid on it is very convenient compared to snuffing it out and pouring it back in the fuel container.

[@bushgearreview]

Since making this video, I have been using the Goshawk op-100 with the little accessory stand, and I must say I have grown to really love it.

[@jamesarchibald852]

Damper is for priming the stove. if you rap a flat lamp wick in the bottom you will get a better burn. down fall is black soot if alcohol is too low and burns wick. still a better burn by far.

[@bushgearreview]

I will have to look further into wicks😊

[@lapicker1010]

If Goshawk had a distributor in the States I’d get one in a blink! Great burner, but I’m not paying shipping from Australia.

[@bushgearreview]

Maybe there is an avenue for someone to become a distributor in the United States 😊

[@walkerone9833]

Nice vid. I prefer the trangia design and carry it with two Esbit cubes inside. Two rocks and you have a pot stand.

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou😊 I am going to have to try hexamine in the future. Esbit from what I can see here in Australia is very $$$$.

[@FurtiveSkeptical]

Esbit cubes are sooty and they stink. Methanol/Ethanol is the way to go for cheap, clean flame.🇨🇦

[@mikerilling6515]

Exactly what is the point of the magnets?

[@bushgearreview]

In order to put the flame out with a metal object like a knife.

[@kenknight5494]

I think it may have been fairer if the Alu can was raised to give the same flame-to-pot height.

[@tomlovesdiy]

I love your care and that you measured results. Really well done. But I don't understand why people love the Triangia and similar burners. They are expensive, heavy and inefficient. My DIY burners use less fuel, boil faster, burn longer and cost, well virtually nothing but a little time and effort. Check it out.

[@bushgearreview]

I will endeavour to do so. I'm looking forward to making some diy burners one day😊

[@tomlovesdiy]

Testing a couple new design pot stands and new pot. My Easy Cheese can burner boiled 2 cups of 65F water in about 5 min 25 seconds. Then burned for total of 11 minutes. I have made versions that boil faster but are less efficient. Hope to post a video in a few days. Thanks for your content. Good stuff! Tom

[@freddiecampbell]

How come the Trangia didn't bloom?

[@galatians328]

I'll take the Trangia. But the reality is... it all comes down to whether or not you have the fuel and enough of it to do everything that needs to be do. Which in my neck of the woods means keeping me warm both day and night.

[@woodchip2782]

A proper test of liquids is to measure by weight rather than eying the scale on a beaker .

[@jtnachtlauf1961]

Hello. The test wasnt fair to the aluminium can - it was too low under the pot. ;) Try to hold the pot cca 1 inch above and the water should boil more quickly. Greetings.

[@swnorcraft7971]

I fail to see the purpose of the magnets................ Can you elaborate?

[@bushgearreview]

To pick up the lid for snuffing out the flame.

[@D-Z321]

Coke can and cocaine 😅😅

[@krzysztoflew8810]

I like your firebox, what is it?

[@bushgearreview]

G2 5" Stainless Steel.

[@petersymons7817]

Thank you

[@bushgearreview]

No problems 👍😊

[@siangteikteoh]

For weight weenies, you have to include total weight of each stove to the weight of fuel used to boil 500ml water in so many minutes , the alum can wins cos of its lighter weight which translates into being able to carry more fuel and thus boil more ml of water...so an accurate test for thru hikers/weight weenies etc is say, for a given weight of 100gms total (stove without lid plus fuel,) how many ml of water can that combination boil in how many minutes? So if alum can is 5 gms compared to trangia 68 gms goshawk 72 gms, the alum can is allowed 95 gms fuel, whilst trangia is allowed 32 gms fuel, goshawk is allowed 28gms fuel, so the alum can will probably be more weight efficient in that it can boil many more cups of water for a given total system weight. And even if you accidentally step on the alum can and squash it, i usually carry some spare backups at 5 gms each, not a problem, or cut a new one out of any old can lying around..i usually cut the top off a coke can and use that to "cup" the 300ml plastic fuel bottle as a protector, that extra empty coke can can be used as drinking water cup or cut into new stove if necessary..

[@bushgearreview]

Thankyou for taking the time to write an informative comment that makes a lot of sense.😊

[@shanedpain7734]

I’ve seen guys using Vaseline pots with cotton wool in…

[@kennethwilson8633]

It starts slowly but you will become a gear addict…Have fun stay safe.

[@bushgearreview]

I am hearing you. I think I am trying to justify it in my head by making videos.😊

[@kennethwilson8633]

@@bushgearreview Don’t worry if people like you didn’t do videos I would never have seen the gear I buy myself. Wait did you become the Pusher Man???

[@yefroy]

since trangia is out there im still do not see a real competidor

[@bushgearreview]

Lately, I have been reaching for the goshawk. With the optional stand that you can get for, imakes it compact and easy to use.

[@jannorling2158]

Buy a new oring they shrink over time

[@jamesarchibald852]

Coke can would last longer with a wick. "flat wick"

[@bushgearreview]

Do you mean like a gauze?

[@jamesarchibald852]

@@bushgearreview No a flat oil lamp wick, cotton should work just as well.

[@questions6746]

precision is important. there were discrepancies.

[@JJUnohu]

Butane is best

[@jonfisher9214]

It's a video comparing different alcohol stoves.

[@JJUnohu]

Oh really?.....thanks for pointing that out.