Alex Hormozi Reacts To The Black Pill

[@JR-bj3uf]

My wife and I got together early. I became successful in large part because of her support. Too many women want to step into a ready made situation. This possible but not reality.

[@winterpinksunrise]

My husband and I started out very poor. I was in college for engineering and he had no college and was in his first career. His career grew by leaps and bounds. Find friendship, and then work hard together to build a life ❤

[@reanschwarzer2187]

Women don’t build anymore they want you pre assembled which is why marriage rates are moving into late 20s early 30s and men and women are staying single. They built it all themselves and sharing only comes as a downside for men with the laws today it’s simple cost benefit analysis.

[@really5448]

Ditto my husband and I worked started out in minimum wage jobs, however when to college for nursing. We are now both 53 years old, having successful careers and happily married for 34 years. We travel, own 2 homes and are debt free. We kid he didn’t marry me for my cooking and I didn’t marry him for money.

[@JR-bj3uf]

@@really5448 This is the way marriage is supposed to work. You build better together.

[@andrewz2854]

@@JR-bj3ufAye it’s a partnership but there seems to be some sort of cultural disease teaching people that the situation should be perfect from the get-go or it’s not worth it.

[@blaketheshepherd]

The bar to be *above-average* = unbelievably *low* The bar to be *desirable* = unbelievably *high*

[@cxsxnxvx]

Hypergamy mixed with women who think they are high valued and the men who indulge in low value activities

[@Masterdesstruct]

Yep. Its not about getting a girl its about getting a woman that is worth spending your money and the rest of your life with, one that you are actually attracted with. Being better than the average is incredible easy, but actually being someone succesful and getting decent looking women is so fucking hard, almost impossible

[@TheTurnipKing]

The problem is that merely being average gets you nowhere

[@TheBswan]

Yep. I'm decent looking, have a nice apartment, do enough strength training to appear visibly fit, and have a 6 figure salary at under 30 years old. Have been on a dozen or so dates in the last few years, a few second dates, one third date. It's genuinely brutal out here. I learned to be happily single a long time ago.

[@Desheep]

yeah 2 above average guys talking about how the bar is low is a bit daft

[@Luke.-cv9uv]

Ah yeah, the 5”2 bald Indian janitor just needs to not be fat

[@adityaj950]

You had to specifically add 'Indian' to make that sound more unattractive.

[@kp5250]

Or just Be a Deer bro

[@lukaha5545]

​@Oteopsik Yes indian wife in tight close minded indian culture. If they were born in west she would be with different chad every night while our poor indian janitor at the very best has his mop and bucket as sexual partners.

[@satyamsaikrupa]

Racist

[@Thegreatesttoneverlive]

​@@satyamsaikrupagood rebuttal smooth brain

[@gregducati999]

the bar is not unbelievably low, all my friends have jobs, go to the gym are in shape, have some even have their own homes and still struggle

[@kennylackey6318]

“Have jobs” Lmao

[@SeanyeMidWest]

I make 90k 2 years out of school. I went to a cheap school so 0 loans. I workout daily. 6 ft tall. And still get rejected every time I shoot my shot.

[@gregducati999]

@@SeanyeMidWest this was me for most my 20s I only starting getting attention from women as I got older, eg when your 30, 30 year old women will start approaching you start chasing you, the table 100% invert themselves, women will deny this, as the don’t want to admit that age matters when it comes to dating, but basically all the men that think women don’t want them when they are young the majority will find someone as the age, I think the reason that the average marriage age is 30 is that’s the age women get desperate and either force their longterm BFs to marrying them or they start giving guys a chance that in the past they wouldn’t

[@SeanyeMidWest]

@@gregducati999 I really appreciate your perspective. It's good to know that there is light in the future, just have to keep putting in the work.

[@Shmyrk]

So I went on one tinder date 9 years ago and no have a wife and two kids. I hear often that the dating game is a nightmare now and that things have changed. Have things changed? If so, what’s changed and how? (Genuine question)

[@dylanweyand636]

I’m in shape, tall, have friends, hobbies, somewhat successful career, live on my own but with a roomate close to a city. I can’t get a single date. It’s a lot harder then these guys think

[@serban2139]

Social skills? income? you got a car? Remember, ladies want it all :)

[@BestLifeMD]

You're addicted ti chewing tobacco. That is a HUGE turnoff.

[@abdula16]

@@serban2139you’re proving him right.

[@serban2139]

@@abdula16 it wasn't my intention to disagree with him

[@jayuk83]

I find that surprising to be honest. Do you want a date? Where are you? I could go on tinder or bumble and get a date within the next hour if I could be bothered (I can’t). And I promise I’m not bragging, I just don’t see how what you’re saying can be true

[@danielcharlesfilms2897]

"THE BARR IS SOOO UNBELIEVABLY LOW" Pahahahaha!!!!! Dying ha ha!

[@And-lj5gb]

By definition, at least half of all men must be average or below average and that can never change, no matter how hard men are working on themselves as a collective. Saying that the bar is unbelievably low is disrespectful, because the bar is always going to adjust itself to leave at least half of all men below it. Always.

[@chrispekel5709]

It's a bell curve so there's a huge chunk of guys in the middle, and some outliers on either side.

[@kevintse2870]

Yeah but as we already know, a woman’s bar is independent of what’s average. Their standards respond to culture. Arnold Schwarzenegger is not average, he’s an example of what’s possible for men. Yet 4 decades after he was released into the public, girls still want Brad Pitt from Fight Club. Physically a woman is looking for a man who converges to the average hunter-gatherer first and foremost, then height and youth. As for intelligence I don’t think women are pitting a man’s intelligence against the average man as much as the average intelligence of her closest FEMALE friends. That’s why they get so annoyed when men don’t get right, something that MOST men wouldn’t get right. Because certain things come second nature to women and in her mind, if you can’t get it you must be dumb.

[@kennylackey6318]

Correct, that’s how average works, and perhaps it is disrespectful, but does that make it untrue?

[@PumperPanda95]

But not many men are working on themselves, let alone hard. If you have a job, take a shower once in a while and you're not fat: You're above average. The bar is crazy low but it's still too high for many.

[@wzg8804]

Just more conformity by these red pill frauds; the biggest simps in the dating advice game.

[@Appl_Jax]

Sure, Bambino the deer can get all the girls in Sherwood forest, but these days, the girls from Black forest, Green forest, and all the others including Bumfck forest are clamoring for him as well thanks for the reach of SM. Natural world doesn't compare, we're breaking everything that is natural.

[@thereallegend4lyfe]

Yup the hypergamy is global

[@DashMatin]

frfr

[@blaketheshepherd]

Truly. Especially in major cities. Let's take Austin, TX for example. There are 1 million men in a 25sq mile radius. That means there are over 10,000 men in a 25sq mile radius that fall into the top ONE percent.

[@eigelgregossweisse9563]

What on earth is natural about money? Nothing in this world, nothing has a concept of "money." It is completely alien, alien to the Earth. There is no such thing as fiat money. Or money even in general that exists in nature. No animal gives a piece of paper to eat grass, no man who finds oil or gold pays the earth to dig it up and extract it, etc. Who the fuck thought that gold is a standard of worth, unless we've found a way to utilise it and incorporate it well into our livelihoods. Face it, we are living in the times where it's truly doomed.

[@Mau365PP]

"Just don't be fat bro" Said Chad 😂

[@edheldude]

Or: "Have a good personality. Women love my personality." Said Chad with hundreds of millions. The difference between being a creep and having a good sense of humor is 90%+ looks.

[@BryanFury-mi6eh]

I mean "If you're homeless just buy a house" right?

[@wzg8804]

Said simp*

[@themalaktalks]

he's not a chad

[@daMillenialTrucker]

There's a lot of chubbies in here crying about the truth. Bunch of sad little boys, you can either start lifting and dieting or you can die alone, choice is yours.

[@lotsosoul]

So many men around the world can feel the crushing reality of their status and causes them to take horrible risks to jump ahead (crime, gambling, etc). They don’t have the guidance or frame from a strong father to practice consistency, resilience and competence that make up the lifestyle and behavior of the upper to upper-middle class. How do I know? Because I’m one of you. If any brothers are reading…take the long road, don’t take short cuts, and don’t be around anyone who makes you feel lesser than for trying.

[@bandiceet]

If you're over 25 years old, not taking accountability of your own life and still using a phrase like "yeah but my daddy...." i can start seeing why women wouldnt want to date you.

[@blackhawk4465]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahha

[@ggstylz]

@@bandiceet You can be as accountable as you want, however, if you’ve been raised by a dysfunctional father, you’re going to have all sorts of challenges. You can only logic your way through traumatic upbringing so much. All that energy spent trying to process and deal with such shit, takes away from being able to present yourself as an attractive package to a potential partner. Not saying it can’t be done, it just makes it much more difficult. Throw some health issues on top of all this, and that’s when you’re truly engaged in the battle of your life. There’s many reasons for why people are being challenged in the subject we’re discussing. It’s not always because they’re irresponsible and incompetent.

[@Ghostrider-ul7xn]

My social circle has 95% conventionally attractive folks. White, tall, makes almost 6 figures, zero debt, extroverted personalities, Christian, yet most of the members are single who are in age bracket of 25-35. Its an alarming situation. One friend I'm very close with, shares every attempts to court women with me. He has literally texted 600+ random women from FB in a span of 2 years, randomly approached women irl whenever there's an opportunity, tried almost all kinds of dating apps, tried his church community, yet he's still single at 29. Honestly he's thinking of becoming a passport bro at this point.

[@thedarkestknight8381]

It’s over

[@truthhammer69]

It's over for passport bros as well. Too many men, too any simps.

[@Ghostrider-ul7xn]

@@truthhammer69 It can't be, not yet. What's happening right now is a western phenomenon, it hasn't spread to other countries yet. As long as there are countries that are still traditional and immigration friendly, geomaxing will be a thing. South American countries and Asian countries are still way better compared to what's going on in America

[@truthhammer69]

@@Ghostrider-ul7xn You dont get it. Whats happenning right now is western incels infiltrating 3rd world countires like thailand and colombia , driving up the prices and as a result there are no quality women left in those hookup bars anymore, only MILFS - thats a sign of collapse of the p$ssy market. I've been there and seen it firsthand. Tinder in thailand is a joke, Wasn't able to get a single date and Im a decent looking white guy.

[@youwererightdreamer1152]

damn it's over

[@WGPhil-uw5cs]

"Just be a multi millionaire bro."

[@Thereisnorules]

a good looking brokie will do much better than an average or below average looking millionaire

[@Qjaivlfystcox]

@@Thereisnorulesso true

[@beganitdidnt6535]

good looking brokie has what money cant buy thats what these tards dont realize@@Thereisnorules

[@youwererightdreamer1152]

then you're just a betabux, i'd rather die alone

[@Bebolife12345]

@@Thereisnoruleswrong

[@KyleR0419]

5'8". I've had abs my entire life. Gainfully employed for 18 years doing various jobs/careers until this past year of attempting self-employment thru trading. Women don't care about any of that. They want 6ft, sloppily dressed, frat dude that they can "fix" for status with her family/friends.

[@Razzmatazz-f8q]

Go to church. You’ll find plenty of single women with much better values who see men as a necessity. These women then look to God and work on themselves to become a woman who will benefit a man and become a gift to him.

[@vanshpatel281]

Blackpillers don’t deserve human rights. You realise you can improve right? The top 1% of men didn’t just get born into it, they worked hard for it. Just take a look at jeff bezos, elon musk etc they both had a shit start to life now they are worth hundred of billions

[@thedog5k]

@@Razzmatazz-f8qstop the jokes dude The smallest demographic of church goes is teen/young adults

[@GeomaxxingBlackpill]

@@Razzmatazz-f8qthose girls are even worse

[@user-vp6cq4sv3d]

​@@Razzmatazz-f8qIf you cared about the faith you wouldn't be recommending church for those reasons. Besides. Why should any guy prefer a woman who plays deceit better than other women? The more churches are gone the better.

[@breakingthemasks]

If the bar is "above average" then by definition the bar isn't "low". Because fully half the population will *always* fail to achieve that goal. If all men suddenly make 200k more than they currently do... Female requirement will simply rachet up even higher. So no... It's not easy to be above average

[@James-xm3ex]

The bar is “be somewhat fit” and “have a job”. That is a low bar, which also happens to be above-average due to the amount of sorry men in this world. Your whining is pitiful

[@marsdriver2501]

Have you seen what average is? Like I am above average in Europe, by working out, dressing decently and having social skills. I suspect the podcasters we're talking about Americans, and God damn there are like what 50% obesity rates?

[@andyfma123]

Yes, it’s very easy to be above average. But the average women only wants the exceptional.

[@gadohimself]

And that's the exact problem lmao

[@Masterdesstruct]

And that thinking wont change

[@mikhacoffman4522]

Just like the average man wants the 10, Except they won’t get it so they settle for regular girls just like girls yapp about 1% and then date some random

[@ToucanTorte]

That's a narrative you're telling yourself. It's likely more accurate to say some average women will only accept exceptional and some average women will accept less than exceptional.

[@boopus4617]

No, you just are looking at the wrong type of women

[@CowboyBGM]

I’m fat and bald and don’t own a car. But I have value as a man. I taught myself Japanese through immersing in it for 4 hours a day for 4 years. I can cook. Im handy in more ways than one. I have a career. I can dance. Im funny. Women and their interest in me has never been a problem. You seriously need to up your value and build some skills my dudes. They want men you just have to rise to the challenge and grow.

[@marsdriver2501]

It also depends on the culture you are in. Like different cultures, different women. While the situation with women is easier in my country, I feel like the US suffers a lot in that

[@nathanbellafiore4341]

Well said

[@Ghostrider-ul7xn]

Not everyone has the fucking time to pursue their hobbies and socialize when they are working 9-5 minimum a day. Many of us barely make min wage. And don't fucking tell me to "get another job" when the economy is shit for almost everyone now. Even fresh out of college graduates are expected to have like 2-3 years of experience even for Entry level jobs. How the hell is someone supposed to even switch careers when most employers make the barrier so goddamn high? In addition, when you see requirements from women that they wouldn't even look in your direction if you are below a certain height, how the hell are we supposed to have motivation to move forward? No wonder men are giving up on relationships.

[@KirillNeko]

Missing the point yet again.... Even IF you are "average" - you will not have a mate.

[@xMckingwill]

Then explian ALLL THE AVERAGE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND WITH KIDS If what you say is true then you would have been born

[@NewWhip-vo7xi]

bro the blackpill are the biggest crybaby victims that avoid and self accountability i swear being ugly is a choice and imma die on this hill. Just because you have a few bad experiences doesn’t make it a reality lol

[@Mich-jk2ze]

Then don’t be average. You may not look great, but compensate. No one should want to be average and those who don’t settle won’t have a problem getting girls.

[@xMckingwill]

@@Mich-jk2ze i get what you mean but there is nothing wrong with being average if every guy made 100k and was 6ft they would be average. as along as you are the best version of yourself you can be and are happy with. there is a reason why these average traits gets passed on from generation to generation. this fact is why most guys look good enough to reproduce.

[@Jozsef0rsos]

​@@Mich-jk2ze The most critcal factor when one looks for a compatible partner for anything is looks. The only notable differences between how animals populate, and how we populate, is the understanding of our and others feelings and prioritising our social image for the maximisation our chances at finding a mate. This is an unconcious process which happens so fast, so often, we do not notice, until we observe ourselves. Sorry to shatter your false image, but each and every interaction you or anyone has, is influenced by mother nature regardless if it is love,empathy,fear or whatever it is we might feel. You don't have to believe me, believe yourself. Go outside and give the same kiss on the cheek to a worm,a dog and to a random old lady as you would as if they would be your "ideal" lover. Notice how you feel very disgusted at the mentioning of kissing a worm, less disgusted at the dog, and barely if at all disgusted at our species. That right there, is preference in species, common sense, and most likely preferential-love. Regardless if everyone were to become as optimistic as you are, as long as there is shame for trivial things, preferential-love, and as much acceptance among ourselves as there is now, there will always be a person who dies as a virgin, or as a lonely person, or both, because we are still very, very animalistic. There is a limit where this is true and where this is false of course. Those ends and their range are much more extreme though. You are either born to be perceived attractive enough or you are not.

[@jcronin3155]

I'm financially secure, groom myself well, dress well, eat healthy, work out regularly and I consider myself a respectable guy, yet I've never had a girlfriend in my life. I don't complain about it either, but being "gainfully employed and not fat" doesn't garentee you a woman.

[@lnaph]

True. you have the outer 3ork. now it's the inner work of values, holding boundaries, looking for something respectable and taking it slow and putting yourself in the right place..

[@SwetlanasCozyplace]

Resources, Job Good Looks stable when i need you to be being present when I cry listening being dominant good communicater funny laid-back being with me when I am scared setting boundaries common goals dealing with people who I cant deal with cuddles being interested in my mind dealing with past trauma admitting mistakes giving me help I need some ideas

[@xMckingwill]

Question whem was the last time you spoke to a women

[@xMckingwill]

​​@@SwetlanasCozyplaceexactly.

[@Mich-jk2ze]

You’re never guaranteed anything.

[@serban2139]

The bar is so unbelievably low, said the 0.1% top guy :)

[@ibradul]

said the guy who has experience in making it. he wasn't born top 0.1% nor was hormozi. forget the top 0.1%, what about just getting to top 60%?

[@serban2139]

1 - height and face are genetics 2 - even if you can potentially become rich, not everyone will be rich and THAT IS FINE - yet it's not FINE through being selected by a decent woman 3 - what about getting to top 60%? You want to tell me some women will desire to be with a 4/10 guy? If my math is mathing correctly here

[@IndigoIndustrial]

@@serban2139 Height and face are also nutrition, exposure to sun/smoking/stress etc.

[@James_36]

@@ibradultop 0.1%? He is just a podcaster with zero insight and no solid relationship or kids - sorry but this is just inaccurate

[@ibradul]

@@James_36 besides the point. overwhelmingly above average and continuing to climb on most metrics. at the end of the day it's all relative. you could be extremely fulfilled without sharing any of those traits and that's success as far as your life is concerned. but these black pillers can't help but compare themselves, and use these retarded metrics such as height, looks and x/10 woman by their side to determine their worth in life. and even then they can barely seem to use more than 2 brain cells.

[@albertlevins9191]

I loved this part. I noticed that same thing about 20 years ago. With a little exercise and a work ethic, I am WAY above average. Helps a lot when I want to get a job. However, finding a woman was still quite hard. Took a lot of self work. A lot.

[@lnaph]

💛💪

[@klimtkiller]

if women are all going for the top 20% of men, (or top 5% on tinder), it doesn't matter how much men self-improve, the majority of men are guaranteed to die alone no matter how much they self-improve. if the average height was 6', then 6'4 would become the new standard.

[@klimtkiller]

@@Grulizu most of them are like at least in their late 30's gen Z is where it got fucked up

[@The_Lovey_Informer]

Exactly, the people you mentioned are from a past generation where all that shit doesn't matter

[@chillout8320]

@@Grulizuthey are either old people or offie doofies/ betabuxxer/settled for.

[@realtruth1448]

@@The_Lovey_Informermy uncle is 5’1 & fat, has a successful business he’s 35, his girlfriend is 24, fit & attractive, explain that blackpill?

[@spazomaz]

@@realtruth1448That’s status and money 😂 you’re proving BLACKPILL correct

[@cielostack2698]

Only 2.7% of the nation’s population meet the four standard health markers: healthy diet, non smoker, healthy BMI and meeting the minimum weekly 150 minutes of exercise.

[@osonocapitalventures193]

Holy Cow is that true?

[@tacitozetticci9308]

The average age in my country is 50.5 so that wouldn't surprise me

[@juankeyblademaster]

This can't be true

[@lukeludwig1055]

That’s probably because bmi is a very useless statistic. I lift, have a healthy bf%, but because I lift have high bmi. Bf% is much better measurement than bmi

[@ELCHDA]

The 6'4 plus bar has never been lower, said the Male Model Willamson. Height, looks, and frame are determined by genetics which is why shaming men that literally fall short of this is either gaslighting or stupid. Since thousands of different men approach women on dating apps like Tinder every day, obviously women will filter them out through a higher looks and height filter than ever before in history.

[@riddxm5325]

Exactly, it’s the most competitive time in history so that means being in the 1% it’s imposible If u don’t have the genetic but if u are average it’s "easy" to get in the 20% which it’s not bad and it’s better than keep being average

[@tegathemenace]

Don't use dating apps, are you slow?

[@ELCHDA]

@@tegathemenace Studies have shown young women are increasingly using dating apps. If a man successfully gets a girlfriend or wife without a dating app, there is always the risk of her cheating with a better looking man thanks to dating apps making it easy and convenient to do so. This is why Pakistan prohibited dating apps such as Tinder, Grindr, Tagged, Skout, and SayHi.

[@alexanderforde4318]

@@riddxm5325looks don’t matter for girls judging men as much as y’all think they do. Blows my mind some men don’t understand this. To me all it reveals is you haven’t interacted with enough women if you think looks are everything…

[@nostalgicbliss5547]

​@@alexanderforde4318Looks do matter lol. It makes everything much easier especially if you have a little charm too. But social skills, sense of humor, competence, decisiveness, emotional intelligence and ambition are all very attractive to women. But when it comes to pure primal lust, looks always come first.

[@thereallegend4lyfe]

American dating is gutter tier. It's easy to become above average like me in America by doing skin care, gym, hair styles, getting a job, But it's still not enough to get non obese non roastie females consistently. Look at Logan Paul, Tom Brady, Will Smith. The men at the top of hierarchy are dealt a bad hand too. I talk to above average looking men all the time about their dating lives and we're all coming to the same conclusion. More and more will be forced to geomaxx and after that it's over.

[@chrispekel5709]

It's the same here in Australia. Our women aren't quite as insufferable as the American variant but they're 80% as bad. It's time to go overseas for a lot of men

[@gemlouise1260]

Will Smith could have had pretty much any woman - he chose badly and because he clings on so hard to his belief that divorce is bad - he has trapped himself in a toxic marriage and a miserable life. He wasn't dealt a bad hand, he just can't let go of his bad decision. Most of Hollywood have a much lower chance of finding a lasting, healthy relationship than the rest of us anyway, just because of the environment they're in.

[@burlapjack1464]

If that's you in your pfp then you're definitely just average lol

[@thereallegend4lyfe]

6'4 tho @@burlapjack1464

[@kyleadams5422]

Yes, in all the Anglo countries (USA, UK, Canada, Aus, NZ) dating is BRUTAL now. Never even began below 6' tall and below 7/10 facially. You will only be matching with obese roasties who expect you to provide and be their jester, if you can even get that. What a scam.

[@nathanielreed9507]

Society/human race ends if average doesn't copulate with average

[@thedarkestknight8381]

Yup humans are a failed race if we have this issue that wm always want more more more it’s truly over and the average and below average will suffer while guys and women at the top live life on tutorial mode and actually get to experience life

[@NickGreiner1988]

Good.

[@r4nowo]

​@@NickGreiner1988based comment. Let it fall apart who cares at this point

[@NickGreiner1988]

@@r4nowomy sentiments exactly

[@theBROWNbanditP]

finally found my thread. humanity is a cancer on earth, i pray we never infect the stars.

[@joyboy-zx]

"Just be 6'3, white, top 1% earners. The bar is so low"

[@tacitozetticci9308]

Damn I'm just 6'1

[@Climate.Realist]

So back when I started dating so around 2015, I was white, >6,3 roughly in the 9% Bodyfat with 8 pack (depending on season) and an engineer. Didn’t do shit for me. Was single for 7 years+ I got about 4 dates per year but damn. Finding the right one that also wants you is harddd. I accepted that there is nothing I can do to increase my odds. When I was fit, they wanted a small dadbod. When I had goals, they wanted to chill. When I payed piano, they wanted a guitarist. Just accept it’s completely out of your hand and just try to find yourself. See what you want to be or become. Be that. That’s all that matters.

[@Nishesque]

Please don’t. I can’t stand all the guys that literally write nothing on their profiles apart from “6ft 3” in the description like it’s some sort of skill or achievement. If the only thing you can bring to the relationship is your height… YOU BELONG TO THE STREEEEEETS!

[@tacitozetticci9308]

@@Nishesque okay but come on now, value isn't necessarily something you need to "achieve". A pretty face and an appropriate height can be very valuable regardless of how effortlessly you got them.

[@muzi69]

@@Climate.Realist8 pack u watch to much cartoons no wonder ur dating life sucks

[@-haclong2366]

I used my wife's pictures to swipe on Tinder as a woman, I matched with a successful businessman who had a 6 pack but was slightly below average in height (he was ONLY 6 feet), he was an orphan that was adopted by a loving family that inspired him for success and he employed multiple women among his staff and never made a move against one. He told me that I was his only match ever after using Tinder for 7 years. He wasn't even ugly, just somewhat average, good dresser, wealthy, confident. Just not top 5%.

[@mreit28]

some arrogant af chads telling men to just have a job and not be overweight is such a fcking joke. I lost respect for this guy

[@jayden8636]

how? I can understand the job part but do you can not be overweight for free. chicken and rice. Push-ups and walking.

[@timgrinxx7068]

That's literally the bare minimum bro.

[@gabeguzman9478]

​@@jayden8636you can workout and still wouldn't work due to features

[@aeris4393]

BTW these guys aren't Chad

[@JP-hr3xq]

Not being overweight and having a job is like having a driver's license: it's not a guarantee of anything, but it's life-destroying if you don't have it.

[@FatalS420]

I am 100% black pill at this point. No friends, dating sucks, can't find any decent women.

[@gleedgaming6359]

Its better this way really as someoje said Reality is often disapointing

[@youwererightdreamer1152]

well find a way to cope i guess and dont become a ropecel

[@Home.Lander.69]

@@youwererightdreamer1152 whats wrong with roping?

[@pounddog77]

Just get a haircut, bro! You’ll be 👌🏻

[@VestigeFinder]

@@youwererightdreamer1152 persona 5 is pretty good cope. great game if youre into rpgs

[@MattPack]

Sounds like the issue isn’t so much with what men have or don’t have (looks, height, money, physique) but with what woman really want. Who’s bar height really needs to be adjusted?

[@tacitozetticci9308]

Women want what they want because they want it. You can't change what you want, you're asking them to get something they don't want.

[@Jorbz150]

Chris, you are one of the best looking male youtubers I know.... Specifically your face. It has about every masculine attribute one could imagine. You have a strong brow ridge, a tall and wide square chin. Your face and head are both filled with hair. without the slightest sign of anything wrong. If you had just a couple of major facial changes, let's say complete alopecia and a recessed chin, it probably wouldn't help you that much to work out and get a decent job. You probably started lifting a lot in your late teens and early 20s, and noticed a spike in success with women. This was because your face was changing massively at the same time.

[@gemlouise1260]

Andrew Tate has a weak jawline and no hair, his teeth protrude a bit, and he seems to have done okay with women, at least in the short term. I don't think it is so much to do with looks (just present well, be nice and clean, whatever you look like) as it has to do with demeanour. You can be highly charismatic without being good looking, and that will do more to make women want to be with you than perfect features will.

[@Madao-c5i]

​@@gemlouise1260lol Tate Brothers are over 6 feet lmao... try being 5"4 and follow the advice just be confident.. even tate himself said that the society and other men will treat a 5'4 guy like a ghost compared to a 6 feet guy.... you wouldn't believe anything tate will say if he was 5'4 lmao.. he wouldn't be successful in MMa or in youtube if he's short... it all comes down to your genetic baseline...

[@themarathoncontinues4211]

@@gemlouise1260And that’s part of the reason women attack him more than they would his brother.

[@gemlouise1260]

@@Madao-c5i So now the only qualifier is you have to be over six foot? Is that really realistic if you look around you at the real world? How many couples do you actually see where the man is over six feet tall?

[@gemlouise1260]

@@themarathoncontinues4211 Women attack him more because he's the louder, more flashy brother. He draws the most attention to himself, even though they are both equally awful. Tristan stays more in the background.

[@edgarstaskans8516]

There are only two options for men. Be the best you can be or become worst you can bee, both will attract women

[@baileymaloney1961]

facts. being your best gets women to want to commit to a relationship with you. being your worst makes them wanna fuck you bc there is no pressure to commit. being in the middle gets you screwed out of both.

[@fluffy_cake_123]

I work, keep my body in shape. I haven't found a girl yet.

[@theseeker8331]

Fix your personality and learn to be a man

[@arandmorgan]

Mate, its more complicated than these bosos can comprihend. Its deeply ingrained cultural neglect.

[@vklnew9824]

No good looks or not an f*** will be given.

[@NBackTA]

Just be honest with yourself, if you’re not attractive physically, don’t even bother.

[@lijh]

Good prospective career/income? A good job is not good enough for a LTR girl.

[@NBackTA]

20 and black pilled, never began for me. We sit and rot, that’s our fate.

[@chillout8320]

16 and I’m tired of seeing everyone around me partying and having fun

[@youwererightdreamer1152]

19 and it never began

[@gleedgaming6359]

18 never began

[@TheTiredhermit]

Lmao 22 it’s over homie I’m gonna gym maxx just to realize I’m attracting more gay men then women lol

[@theBROWNbanditP]

don't mean to be the bearer of bad news gents, but it's purely luck. i've been in insane shape since i was 17, and it's never helped. im 5'5" though, so maybe you guys will have a better chance than me. 34 now, it doesn't get better.

[@thedog5k]

“ the bar is so unbelievably low” Thank god we have this podcaster to talk down to everybody

[@jackdetweiler3442]

my problem I had when I was single was where to look for a date.

[@jackdetweiler3442]

I feel like the top tier women are tough to find. They’re out there but your not going to find them online/swipe right, bars etc. I worked for my wife’s uncle and he thought highly enough of me he wanted to introduce me to his niece. Best I can say is fellas always look and act your best b/c good ladies have “gate keepers” that keep an eye out for good men that pass their qualifications and want the ladies in their life to have good men that will treat them well.

[@chrispekel5709]

​@@jackdetweiler3442so, was your wife annoyed that her uncle let you sleep with his niece? Sounds like a pretty liberated family

[@IndigoIndustrial]

This is BS. You need to be more than "have decent job and not be overweight". The bar is not that low. Chris needs to find a movie make up artist that will give him a 'make-under' and see how taking away his pretty privilege makes him feel. See how he likes having women scowl at him as he walks by - not for doing anything, but just for being there. The problem with the deer analogy is that the top male deer is physically stronger, healthier and agressive. Many men have a selective advantage of being born into wealth or status. With this lucky start, you could get a better education and a high status job. Or get a high status job with less education than a normal person. You could avoid paying rent for 10 years while saving for a deposit if you can get on the property ladder in your 20s. You could travel and become worldly at a young age. If you have "phyiscal imperfections" - wonky teeth, lazy eye, thinning hair, bad skin, weird birthmark etc you can just buy your way out of it. You can spend money on skin care or treatments. You can get a personal trainer etc etc. None of this is like the "fitness" the top deer has. I've bought my own place by myself without financial help - few of my work colleagues have done so by themselves or without help from family. I have a career with good status. I don't consider myself wealthy but I have more disposable income than most of my peers. I'm not obese!

[@shableep]

It’s strange that two incredibly good looking men who are very fit and young are sitting there somehow knowing of how “low” the bar is.

[@tegathemenace]

Women do not nitpick on looks as much as you think. Kings we're not even the handsomest of men and they were usually fat. Capitalism is ironically gives room to leave the social status you're born into. If you genuinely think you're a victim of circumstances as an educated able bodied man and you can never leave your current position. + the sheer lack of ambition and hopelessness. That my friend is enough to repel any gender from you. If you don't believe in yourself, no one will mate.

[@ibradul]

Tell that to men all over the Indo-Pak region and elsewhere in the world with big indian uncle bellies who got a wife and 5 kids. Dude's not that attractive, always sweaty smelling like curry with man boobs, not even physically fit or strong, just works and goes about his life, provides for his family. Similarly in Africa and anywhere in the world really if you care to look and try to be objective. The loudest voices online seem to just be silly entitled westerners, so disconnected from reality and terrible judgement - it's just your damn cultural bubble. I'd say there is one thing in common though - everyone just loves to complain about their state of affairs, like it somehow makes them special, and they end up doing nothing about it other than cry. People in this sphere online only look at retarded white girls and what they tend to think, who cares what they think? y'all make such a small percentage of the human population and love to generalize facts about human psychology when you really don't know shit.

[@anthonypillarella]

So why isn't your wealth and fitness helping, when poorer, less fit men are doing well?

[@ibradul]

@@anthonypillarella simply put: tools don't guarantee results. you need to actually use them and learn to use them well. communication skills are extremely powerful when someone knows how to leverage them, e.g. salesman. But someone could arguably have the same skill level and not achieve the same results because they either don't use them effectively or are ignorant.

[@danitenotes]

Love this style of battle report. Short and narrative. Also love watching the terrain that you've shown us how to build being used on the table.

[@spm97500]

Don’t forget to mention species that are perfectly faithful, like penguins, beavers, most birds…

[@pupplylove3003]

“The bar is unbelievable low” THAT PART! I felt that in my SOUL

[@Chad123-g3d]

Lol not being overweight is definitely not enough

[@mirandak1773]

My husband and I met when we were 20 and he was from a very poor family and I came from lower middle class. He isn't over 6ft or a super model but still very attractive to me 12 years later. What actually made me find him attractive and want to develop a relationship was his absolute 100mph drive to accomplish everything. He was just always so organized, self motivated and a quick problem solver and that felt like security to me. All I had to do was support him along the way and we just stuck together through the rough spots and we have done a lot of personal growth together ❤️

[@conductingintomfoolery9163]

The 1% should do all the jobs in the economy then

[@travelingtrollwilliams4756]

Telling a girl that, not being over weight is a very low starting bar for a relationship…. Good luck.

[@marcusr3795]

Yeah they neglected the other side of the story, that’s why this type of message pisses me off yes you should improve but for relationships there’s got to be a reason for either person to enter it. For young guys there’s no point you’re not getting a wife anyway so that effort is in vain.

[@tylercox2875]

damn i passed that bar 3 years ago and im still single

[@NigerianCel]

he started coping at the end lol

[@makkenji6053]

The quest for the lowest body count

[@v9b23j]

5% of the male account for nearly all the mating in sexually dimorphic speices, including Homo sapiens. Such species typically don't exhibit sexual monogamy and males invest less in parental behavior. Consequently, male mating selectivity tends to be lower, while female mating selectivity is higher. This is because, in the absence of significant male parental care, females rely heavily on the quality of the genes they acquire from their mates*. And a man with a strong jawline, muscular body (large shoulder and chest to hip ratio) and taller height are all reliable indicators of healthy genes that will ensure their offspring. *Source: Robert Sapolsky, Pair-Bonding Versus Tournament Species in Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst, 2017

[@ghost_illmatic]

Just looked up Dr. sapolosky, interesting stuff, he doesn't beleive in free will. That's a more intellectual side of blackpill

[@v9b23j]

@@ghost_illmatic IMHO, there is a noticeable shift in today's demographic landscape, marked by women outnumbering men in the U.S. college-educated workforce and women under 30 earning the same amount as or more than their male counterparts in 22 of 250 U.S. metropolitan areas. Women are becoming more selective in their intimate partner choices. According to Ronald Levant, a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron and an author of several books on masculinity, women now have a preference for not entering into long-term relationships with men who have lower educational and earning levels than themselves. As a result, the dating and mating market has become highly competitive for both men and women. This shift in dynamics may be one of the contributing factors to the statistic that 31% of U.S. adults are currently single, with 63% of men in their 20s being single-almost double the number of single women in the same age group, according to Pew Research Center. Additional research conducted by the Pew Research Center indicated that 56% of women reported facing challenges in finding someone who meets their expectations, while this concern was expressed by 35% of men.

[@VestigeFinder]

the reason monogomy has been that standard for the last 1000 years is because when 95% of the male pop. is left out of reproduction, they get violent and destroy the society. you cannot build a functional society while most men suffer with no chance of marriage and reproduction.

[@Mau365PP]

If deer have to compete... Wouldn't incels killing people count as competition? 😅

[@Utrechtborn]

Nah bro the joke isn’t there but neither is the logic. Hope you’re a bot or bit.

[@beganitdidnt6535]

back in the stone age yeah lol but this is why i think strengthmaxxing is cope like why are you getting strong and for who? no girl is ever gonna settle with you and in the end youll die alone sure jacked but alone like wtf kind of life

[@theBROWNbanditP]

@@beganitdidnt6535 idea for a new show. "Jacked and Alone."

[@BlackpilledNihilist]

Short and non white men need to compensate with at least 50k more than the average man. Ofc a white Chad will claim the bar is low

[@kyleadams5422]

Race means almost nothing compared to height and face, tall good looking asian guys slay while ugly white and black manlets get nothing.

[@tacitozetticci9308]

I'm a tall white man. Nothing so far

[@majorleagueminuteman1344]

The difference between the disenfranchised bucks and disenfranchised men is that the bucks aren’t needed to be invested in society to ensure the barbarians don’t topple the walls to their civilization. If we want to go back to jungle law, then we don’t get to have a high trust/civil modern society. Families ground men in their investment to their societies future. If you take away that incentive, then those same men won’t lift a finger when the dregs of society start destroying it. Men don’t need society to survive…but society needs men in order for it to exist.

[@tacitozetticci9308]

Yeah men don't need society to survive, but their children do

[@lorzon]

You mean more or less like it is now?

[@fuski23]

One man's simple step (low bar) is another man's brick wall. We all have different struggles in life. Just keep working on yourself, and believe in you.

[@scott8934]

They are massively off on the bar placement. Massively. If that’s all it were there would be no issues.

[@tbobtbob330]

I was always successful romantically, but the black pillers are right. Civilization figered out a few thousand years ago that monogamy was important for a stable society. As humans stray from lessons learned long ago, we unfortunately have to relearn the hard way why religion and tradition exist.

[@youwererightdreamer1152]

bullseye. everytime a society turns away from religion and tradition, it destroys itself.

[@alexstorm777]

Agree 💯

[@chuco425]

I wonder where I fall into this. I used to think that competition was really harsh for dudes because of the expectations of us, but the reality was I was just terrible when talking. I was a quiet kid throughout school so I had to learn to talk. The other thing is finding similar interests. I thought I was ugly (I still do, but probably because I’m not into dudes lol) but I just needed to learn how to have a conversation. Did that and got to a point where I had a date with a different girl everyday for a week and then I met who became my wife that week and that dating came to quick stop. Learn to talk, be respectful, be honest, and put in work. Also many of the dudes complaining are probably passing on a lot of women too. Our standards can be pretty high when pictures on the internet have filters on top of contour makeup on and shape wear.

[@lnaph]

you got it.

[@Ghostrider-ul7xn]

Right, because majority of guys today are single because they forgot how to talk lol. What an insightful comment! Not the fact that majority of women are disqualifying 70-80% of men using height, race filters and other factors they can't control.

[@dentonheider1731]

The one thing I feel these guys forgot to mention is that you have to have confidence. When a man has confidence in himself girls are almost always way more attracted to him no matter how they look. Building confidence is deffinitely not easy though.

[@christinacanto3740]

We’re not animals breeding the best genes. We are humans looking for life partners. Children aren’t even a guarantee

[@Home.Lander.69]

Cope we are animals

[@marcusr3795]

@@Home.Lander.69correct but we have a civilisation so it’s BS point to make, poor justification why don’t we compete like we used to with other tribes except with atomic weapons and bio warfare. Just because it’s natural doesn’t make it right.

[@chillout8320]

We’re animals. Look at how the first ever man thought to have blue eyes literally spread his genes all throughout Europe. I wonder why that is?😂

[@Home.Lander.69]

@chillout8320 did u get that from itv lol?

[@TheTiredhermit]

& you don’t get hungry,horny,angry,defensive,protective over children like animals neither amirite? You’re an animal just a very intelligent animal.

[@126theman]

The issue isn’t that it’s too hard to win it’s that we’re playing a wicked game

[@TheTiredhermit]

Love when tall attractive guys tell me how much confidence & money matters & being in shape lol face,height or race if you don’t have a good one of these 3 it’s over for you & yes there’s very rare cases of genuine relationships with short guys like traditional ones like Mexicans for example but if these people didn’t have tradition they’d instantly leave their hard working 5’4 Mexican husbands for a 6’2 white guy any day not the case for all of them but for many.

[@JT_16]

I’m 18, the only girls I have ever met that were genuinely nice to me were Mexican when I traveled there for 9 days about 2 weeks ago. I’m 5’7, jacked and a nice guy in general but it took 18 years to find just ONE girl who wanted to talk to me. Nothing romantic either... 💀

[@TheTiredhermit]

@@JT_16 that’s brutal man hey but at least you aren’t getting looks of disgust where they’ll accuse you of being creepy or something I’m 22 & 5’10 with a 2 to 3/10 face I get mogged by some young chicks lmao the closet I had was a girl trying to FaceTime me & I almost lost my virginity but due to the years of rejection & lack of experience I got way to nervous & fumbled especially cause she knew I was a virgin Lmao this was a 20 I believe. Honestly if you find a woman who you can tell is genuine try to keep her just be first theory is a thing too.

[@JT_16]

@@TheTiredhermit true, I’ve never been perceived as a creep but is kinda scary to think that could happen especially with the crazy exposure on the media..

[@The_Lovey_Informer]

Compete against other Average men, for what Chad can get for free... nah im good

[@mr.nobody2401]

I’m an engineer with the navy. When i get home, i work on my side business. at 40, girls hit on me all the time. Mostly bc of my attitude & bc they know i don’t sit around watching netflix. I’m married. Never felt so confident. I might make it to millionaire status. But really don’t care.

[@SBqwerty]

I think the dating world flips after 30 especially in late 30s. These red pill types are from what I can tell in their twenties looking for mates and not having success on dating apps and the like

[@ryancallsin]

Cool story 😂

[@trigger5915]

I graduated as an aeronautical engineer last year, I hope to be a role model like you one day and start my own business one day as well!!

[@ricardodelacrvz1400]

problem is women dont hit only on you they hit on everyone that comes that looks good, they even hit on others "you" when they got a "you" at home. as a I get more older and having the single status the more I get eyes on me, but Im still not the biggest alpha and a women would still look twice at the biggest alpha around. the black pill is real, women rate men subconsciously on all those factors, like face, eye color, hair, height, social and professional status, assets and money. you gotta always compete to get leverage over them, which means relationships are transactional and marriages are basically prostitution. dating is a way of women prostituting themselves into marriages and kids. before we had arranged marriages now they have apps. men are better single than ever in history, pump and dump, pay 4 play wtvr but I aint marrying or buying property with a women with a 5 10 15 20+ body count untill they see me in a coffin. I dont need women to travel around. go travel alone and tell me about confidence.

[@scholaroftheworldalternatehist]

How do they know that? Are you muscular? Well groomed?

[@Pariah_Larry]

Highschool was a blast for me. Lost my virginity freshman year, dated the entire time, went to prom and homecoming with a beautiful girl then got addicted to heroin.. Now I’m unemployed, recovering after my second overdose, 30 pounds overweight and even though I have hair and am a decent looking guy above 5’9 no girl wants anything to do with me. Do I blame them? No. It’s my fault that my life is like this and any woman that would fall for me when im THIS broken wouldn’t be the right one. I guess im saying I want a woman that expects more from me than I do for myself and pushes me. Not someone complacent with me being on methadone and Xanax for the rest of my life. Sex and women aren’t everything guys. Loving yourself is. Which is hard when you feel like no woman wants you. I think that’s what we have an issue with. Confidence and self love. Women are attracted to confidence and we exude nervous beta energy and they go for the guy that’s brave enough to speak up. Sometimes that’s all it takes. Getting out of your comfort zone, going to the gym and CHANGING. Im going to get better and beat this addiction, get a great job and fall in love. Just gotta start loving myself first. Going to my first NA meeting tomorrow. I hope everyone that reads this finds the person for them. If you’re an addict go to AA and NA, it’s like Highschool again lol and everyone is struggling so the women won’t judge you. It’s actually amazing.

[@mkbcoolman]

No disrespect, but guys who model for the cover of romance novels do not have the same perspective on bar height as the rest of us lol.

[@Turismo860]

Dont ever forget that literally everybody is so beyond detached from reality

[@libertasadvitam4538]

Must be nice to sit at the top and cast judgement on those below. Way to miss the point guys. I appreciate the disrespect.

[@nomadnorbert]

What is interesting to me is that when i was a “loser” who was broke, playing videos games, skateboarding, playing in rock bands, smoking weed, i had my pick of the litter… now as a successful, well traveled, book published, business owning, therapy for more than a year, multidisciplinary artist (including martial arts) always well dressed/mannered, none drinking, none smoking, none porn watching, in fighting shape man it is slim pickings.

[@abdula16]

It’s one thing to make the argument germoza is making. But the other is stupid

[@finfoxwolfpack2542]

The ability to take care of yourself is greatly underestimated as an attractive quality. Basic life skills of being able to take care of your own, emotional, mental, physical and financial health is attractive.

[@Albus_Rex]

Work for big Gov, workout, am told I'm funny by friends... but I guess I'm still below that bar, eh Chad williamson?

[@theBROWNbanditP]

Seriously. I wish people would stop telling me what a catch I am, how funny and outgoing I am, that they wish they had my confidence, they wish they had my physique, etc. I'm 5'5" and average looking at best. I get zero matches on dating apps/sites, and I've cold approached over 60 women the past few years but have gotten zero girlfriends. I have wasted a lot of money and time on dates, and it's just makes me more depressed that I have all this going for me and people telling me how great I am but I still can't attract anyone I deem attractive. Sure, I guess I'll wife up a fatty with poor finances and raise some other guy's kids. gtfoh

[@Albus_Rex]

@@theBROWNbanditP I feel you man... Then people tell you your standards are too high if you don't want to raise another man's kids. Ridiculous. "You're wonderful! Any girl would be lucky to have you... But no I don't want you either."

[@SilVia-hs2kb]

Guys, go out with girl friends. Girls pay way more attention to men that are accompanied by other women. Ditch the all bro groups, and go out with mixed group or a woman or two friends.

[@alinaqvi902]

It’s not about strength and size as much as it’s about social status (aka how much other people like you). This anyone can achieve

[@alinaqvi902]

@jon-cl7rr I know some short ugly guys which dimes tho. Their not even that rich

[@Jorbz150]

@@alinaqvi902 You probably know some guys who are less attractive than you. I doubt you know any guys who are actually ugly.

[@lorzon]

Perhaps, in which case this explains why my probably autistic, socially awkward, fat ass that constantly feels inferior and knows that I'm an idiot is where I am in life. Broke, no friends, dead end job and no prospects for a better one.

[@aaronhall4361]

I think the standard of attractiveness is set by how confident you feel in yourself, rather than what you’ve achieved outwardly. Although that certainly helps!

[@CarleyMarley24]

Yes. This. A lot of women (myself included) haven fallen for men that weren't conventionally attractive based on their confidence and personality. Men are more visual, women are more attracted to the right personality (and fitness and wealth are indicators of a good worth ethic and self control). Women are subconsciously looking for men fit to be fathers.

[@CarleyMarley24]

Also why traditionally men are supposed to make the first move, and there's a game involved in winning her over. Men will notice the girl first and like her visually, for women it's not usually the physical attraction that catches out attention immediately.

[@CarleyMarley24]

*our

[@quirin5061]

i got into a relationship after asking out 3 girls as a broke, overweight student... i ended that relationship because it was a shit one but it really isn't that hard. i think blackpill is just people making excuses because they are afraid of asking women out and non-exceptional tinder users.

[@lijh]

Anyone can get a hookup or a fling. Dudes here are talking about LTR good, quality girls to gauge for marriage. Whole different ball game.

[@lnaph]

yep and lack of respect towards others or trying to grt a girl who tKes better care of herself... whe thry themselves don't.

[@MikeJensen-w2v]

ok then end up in a good relationship then if it aint hard lol

[@JoePedo]

Chase money. You'll never run out of women. Chase women you'll soon run out of money

[@Tchelious]

Two good looking dudes with tons of money tell the bar is low.

[@thebenevolentsun6575]

When it comes to "fucking around" only a couple guys can really pull it off. When it comes to a long term partner you will find one eventually. You see very very few old bachelors for a reason.

[@tacitozetticci9308]

You rarely see old bachelors but you see half decent marriages almost as rarely.

[@thebenevolentsun6575]

@@tacitozetticci9308 That wasn't my point. My point is that almost everyone will find a partner eventually.

[@tacitozetticci9308]

​@thebenevolentsun6575 fair enough, but what I'm trying to say is that the outcome you're talking about isn't necessarily desirable. This is very relevant since it's the main reason why many give up on the whole enterprise altogether. Basically a serious quantity problem but then an even worse quality one.

[@ironwillie7666]

100% disagree. There is an ultimate peace and freedom in "not fighting the universe." Once you are black pilled, one actually begins to view the beauty in life while watching the SIMPs try and figure it all out.. Good luck with all your guilting, shaming, and you need to be right.

[@adamvoss4402]

You’re forgetting the part where she states she wants the 0.1%. Also weight you can fix but income is predetermined by the companies need to fill a spot so if all the black pillers got into my industry it would turn from a 145k job to 90k and during inflation I don’t think my 145k is enough… I need more money, not spend on bs but to not have to question an expense at Walmart

[@marquezekelley8374]

These dudes spilling wrong info

[@jtm97]

The bar is not low. I’ve worked on myself so much, got in good shape and have a pretty decent career ahead of me. But I am short, and unattractive. Two things entirely out of my control. Having to accept that you will never be desirable or find love for things that are completely out of your control is a really difficult thing to deal with. These guys have no idea.

[@SteelyDanimal]

Google his life partner. Not sure if he is honest with reality.

[@marcusr3795]

I did I agree maybe he just wants different things I have no clue about his perception but it’s not like most.

[@lcbrisk1837]

This argument is solidifying the fact, why some guys were never meant to be with someone. This is fucked because reality is so much more. The mentality of some of these men are directly correlated with rejection from women. In which case move on and keep trying, if you really want it the only thing holding you back is literally yourself. That's the better solution.

[@Solitude507]

Alex had the cold realistic message here. Most male specimens aren't supposed to reproduce, only the top male specimens supposed to reproduce so that the best genes are carried onto next generations.

[@blaketheshepherd]

It's the same for *every* mammal species where the mammal is larger than the female. The only monogamous mammals are roughly equal in size.

[@markhulme7277]

Theres also a lot violence between males in other mammal species competing for mates. Most people are grateful we've moved beyond this. Society doesn't tolerate it either..

[@ggalvaorn]

Except people are not reproducing. They're buying puppies.

[@gemlouise1260]

And that is why we have monogamy - because it evens things out and is much better for society. A system the redpill is in part responsible for trying to destroy, by discouraging the successful men from choosing only one woman and encouraging them to have large harems of women. Modern feminism pretty much encourages women not to settle down and to never be satisfied on the other side, so between these two movements, plus technology, things are getting bad for everyone.

[@highflyer23]

yet he said he is not really interested in having kids

[@Infrared1967]

We can and must change our perception of esthetics. There was once a time when women with bigger hips and cellulite were considered beautiful. We can reverse our bias towards men and allow them to feel needed and......loved......for who they are.

[@Mau365PP]

There is not GYM for your face

[@Jorbz150]

The average person has virtually no understanding of facial attractiveness. If you talk to people about the shape of a mandible, or how pronounced a brow ridge is, they will look at you as if you are speaking a foreign language. People think that these factors have no influence just because they aren't consciously aware of them.

[@TheTiredhermit]

@@Jorbz150if the world got black pilled by god as in “I love you all equally but you were not born as equals i random generated humans no lie” infact I think some would still believe we’re all equal somehow

[@stuntcox5731]

⁠@@Jorbz150 Exactly lmao, just because you can’t describe an attractive face in technical terms doesn’t mean that the face has any less extrinsic value lol. I’ve seen people mistake Lamborghinis with Ferraris but I’ve never either mistaken for a Hyundai.

[@renovatioin]

The same people who hate this idea love touting evolution.

[@skull_red2362]

Just be exceptional

[@Mas3452001]

Men who have been more attractive than average their whole life have no perspective on this issue. They’ve never been short and been treated like they’re not a real person or worse by women. Then whenever told you have a Neapolitan complex if youre ever assertive

[@sarahvero]

On all these shows they are often saying it’s women who only go for more attractive men. But I think it’s likely many of these men are also swiping past moderately attractive or moderately over weight women who could be so good for them if they gave them a chance. Because they are looking for an Insta model. Social media has warped perceptions of attractiveness. That guy online the other day online was calling Margot Robbie ‘mid’. I’d like to see them flip the question around and be honest about it.

[@vvhffc9447]

No. Most guys on tinder who aren't supermodel tier just swipe right without even looking at the girl.

[@StarsandStripes-ld1ob]

That claim is not backed by data. Men who have average looks pursue average looking women, the same is not true for women.

[@lotsosoul]

You are absolutely and completely wrong. I doubt you will, but take 1-2 min to Google statistics around swiping and demographics on dating apps. Your comment comes at the frustration from the lawyer or hedge fund manager you swiped on either not matching you or pump and dumping you.

[@JohnSmith-wx9wj]

I got ghosted by a woman twice my weight. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[@JohnSmith-wx9wj]

Oh, and my friends that are married all have wives that are shorter and heavier than them.

[@khdur]

"BEST" is relative. Strongest in a gene pool can come with huge disadvantages for a species. Ask any Neanderthal you happen to run into on the street. As a species capable of imagination and higher thought we are becoming increasingly poor at focus. The social issues being discussed here are multi-layered of course but it is our attention and ability to set priority over creature comforts that are weak.

[@Gregsclafani]

I'm not black pill, it's been explain to me that it's supposed to be about accepting that this IS How the world is, and learning to live a better life after accepting that. As for being gainfully employed and not overweight... That certainly helps. But it does not do enough by any stretch to become desirable to women.

[@dancoyle6911]

Personality, fitness, and employment. All things that all men can work to improve. These things are not locked in at one stage forever.

[@MrKrtek00]

Being good at something often makes you blind to the difficulties to the ones who are not having the skills. I am lucky, but had dry spells too in my life, so i know it doesn’t feel like a low bar

[@rufio171]

Chris is the definition of taking the red pill

[@joshuacapson749]

The problem is that a father and mother combo is crucial to raising children. This has been an evolved outcome for tearing of children that are so dependent for so long.

[@LostAndHangry]

The universe doesn’t care about your feelings. If you don’t procreate, your story ends with you. Thanks for playing.

[@consciousgentile5141]

The universe is trash.

[@VapidVulpes]

robert sapolsky has a great part of one of his mit lectures on KZbin That discusses this side of the aspect of human biology When looking at the actual diversity of human sexuality, there is not just a single avenue for reproductive competency Yes this is one of them, but it is not the only one. I highly recommend watching his behavioral biology course on KZbin

[@ojmay...]

The bar for average is low, but 90% of women only go after the top 10% of dudes

[@rockmcdwayne1710]

The way i see it is: It is what it is! Everything will adjust with time. Blaming the ''universe'' or who knows what is pointless. It wont change the reality you live in. It is not the end of the world! We are getting through some form of technological revolution right now and most people havent had the time to adjust!

[@PLF...]

"best" is most often genetic diversity, sooo many species have died off due to low genetic diversity. The population becomes incredibly fragile to things like disease, changing niche, etc. Problem with this analogy in terms of dating is that we are a social species much more so than e.g. deer. So much more of our sexual selection is cultural, not just the strongest male plowing the most holes (whether the females want to or not). Humans are much much more complex.