Top 50 Songs Hurt by Jury the Most in Grand Finals (2009-2022) / Eurovision

[@AlexESC]

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[@shea8977]

The way juries treated City Lights... The fact that they had it as an NQ is crazy to me because it feels way more jury-friendly than televote-friendly

[@tasthar3505]

I heard her jury perfomance was really bad, which explains her jury semi nq.

[@astrongcc8911]

Literally the same with Italy 2018

[@ΜουσικήΙδιοφυΐα]

She couldn't even sing lol (the song is great tho)

[@ggoddf5889]

IKR

[@ggoddf5889]

same with italy 2015

[@vincentesc]

Still shock me that Estonia got only 50 points from the jury in 2015....

[@StarTheTripleDevil]

Really Spirit in the Sky was much more hurt by the jury than Stefania but the only reason why Stefania is #1 here is because it got an insanely high televoting score.

[@mu1ch1ro__]

Michal Szpak getting ONLY 7 points from jury is so shocking like wtf

[@beandrag9019]

For me the shocking part is the televote that he got

[@sebervaldv230]

AGREED

[@hannahbarley61]

Norway 2019 really hurts that one of my all time favourite entries 😣

[@steindororngunnarsson3846]

Ukraine 2022 being no. 1 is really funny because the juries gave them a really good result at 4th place, the televote result was just insane

[@joshb92004]

7:59 That transition was godly

[@apo8021]

i think that if jury points are 185+ they shouldnt be included in this list, because wtih more than 185 points the song is not killed by the juries, it just means that the televote loved it more

[@nilerra8181]

It depends. An entry could still be killed in some scenario with 185+. It really depends on points. That's the current system.

[@KyrieFortune]

​@@nilerra8181case in point, anyone who wasn't Sweden in 2023, not just Finland who lost despite getting the second highest televote so far

[@drewcm4617]

I will never forget the moment when televoting for Mikolas Josef from Czech Republic showed the jury what’s good back then. Such a shame jury almost always vote so poorly for Czech Republic. Always underrated treasures.

[@alexablood]

Didnt the Televote give Czech 0, 7 and 5 in 2016, 2019 and 2022 respectively

[@Akuninjia]

if he had been a Swedish entry you know he would've been in the jury's top5

[@giulia1603]

Treasures of songwriting such as "morherfuckers wanna eat my spaghetti" 😂

[@orbitalwarrior]

This is exactly it. The same for Loic Nottet in 2015. If he hadn't been Belgian, but Swedish, he would have won.

[@alexablood]

@@orbitalwarrior if my nan has wheels she’d be a bicycle

[@rhd-_-2854]

Every song that gets many televotes is a bop

[@TikhonBestRoblox]

i love top 9 of that songs (Yodel It! is not in my sort of music). Never forget how low jury were putting these songs!

[@lauretta8458]

2022 entries: 1. Ukraine 4. Moldova 17. Serbia 25. Norway

[@JoppingBen10Fan]

all four of those were the televote favorites too

[@lauretta8458]

@@JoppingBen10Fan Exactly

[@flopjul3022]

no one gonna talk about how ironic it is that Give That Wolf A Banana and Discoteque are literally next to each other?

[@anita_agr]

Konstrakta so underrated by the juries,and they are actually supposed to reward originality,among other things.Also they are so predictable by tanking most bops,as well as Poland.

[@pointlessnostalgic78]

The way they treated Konstrakta is really a shame. But I'm afraid they're not supposed to vote for the lyrics of a song - it's not one of the criteria they're given to judge upon (I might stand corrected on this but there are criteria like performance, voice... but not the lyrics) and that's even a bigger shame.

[@beandrag9019]

Bro they gave her like 70-90 points what about monika literally getting 35 that’s some bs

[@pointlessnostalgic78]

@@beandrag9019 Konstrakta deserved at least 200 from juries based on the essence of the message of the song in a perfect world

[@ramujaku]

Bro her song sucked it’s that simple idk what to tell you

[@beandrag9019]

@@pointlessnostalgic78 I’d say it’s more that the songs that got a lot of jury points didn’t deserve them and it should’ve just been more spread out in general lol

[@boskozdravkovic5233]

It feels like some countries get this same treatment every year like Italy, Russia, Serbia, Turkey... Here's a video idea for example from year 2009-2022. seeing how many times juries put a country above televoters in semis and/or finals (or vice-versa), and then ranking them (in percentages or like sport score 5-8). That will show trends of some countries sending crowd pleasers and others sending jury friendly ones, or some countries being hated by televoters or jury ;).

[@nilerra8181]

And Lithuania and Poland I would add

[@beandrag9019]

Yeah, they don’t want small countries to win like the Baltics

[@BeeJayDeeEff]

The transition from Spirit in the Sky to Stefania was so good!

[@NSq12]

Worst tanking ever done by Jury is Norway 2019

[@rhd-_-2854]

And moldova 2022

[@NSq12]

@@rhd-_-2854 agreed

[@RickyPro888]

@@rhd-_-2854 nah that was correct

[@rhd-_-2854]

@@RickyPro888 and i ran a marathon and i still didn't find who asked

[@shroom736]

And Poland 2016

[@deandrake2723]

Top 10 full of some of the most iconic performances.

[@jrannilsen9564]

Probably should add “Outside of top 10 in jury votes” as a criteria. Top 5 in jury votes isn’t actually hurt if you think about it.

[@MattaNL]

Spirit In The Sky has to be the greatest disagreement between juries and televote ever: If it was for the juries, they wouldn't even have made it to the final If it was for the televote, they would've won the contest

[@jordygarcia3119]

It’s always weird seeing winners on a list like this

[@Beckford4000]

exactly, how can a winning song be "hurt"? It literally won, therefore it wasn't hurt.

[@beandrag9019]

Hatari is a perfect example of the basic juries being to scared to take a chance, robbed icons. Deserved top 5

[@mattiassollerman]

Love these videos but IMHO the title should be "Top 50 Songs HELPED by TELEVOTE the Most in Grand Finals" or something to that effect. Vice versa for the other vid. :)

[@DimDDG]

Great idea!

[@pointlessnostalgic78]

Spoiler: it's mostly Russia, Poland, Italy and Serbia. No Sweden, how schoking, isn't it *shaking head

[@jaersonestera5276]

3:57 no sweden

[@pointlessnostalgic78]

@@jaersonestera5276 that doesn't exist lol

[@jaersonestera5276]

@@pointlessnostalgic78 so it's like what televoters did to italy in that same was also didn't exist???

[@pointlessnostalgic78]

@@jaersonestera5276 I don't understand what you mean, I mean it's literally 1 over 50, have fun bro

[@jaersonestera5276]

@@pointlessnostalgic78 I mean, A country that overrates in juries doesn't mean that they're always did well by juries, same to televotes.

[@NSq12]

1st is Keiino, Norway 2019 Apart from that Czech Republic 18, Ukraine 22, Italy 15, Russia 16, Moldova 17, Ukraine 21, Russia 12, Azerbaijan 2009 could possibly feature...

[@vitokramer7451]

Nope Ukraine 22 is first

[@guybensman300]

It was obvious Ukraine 2022 was going to be 1st, it got a huge mass of tele points. The gap tho doesn't seem that monstrous since they came 4th with the juries (unlike Norway 2019 for example which were tanked by the juries)

[@NSq12]

@@vitokramer7451 but Norway has 251 points difference... While Ukraine has 247

[@vitokramer7451]

@@NSq12 yes but there were more points available in 2019 so in percentages Ukraine is a bigger difference

[@darasullen8289]

@@NSq12 41 countries in 2019 and 40 in 2022.

[@irenedavies144]

Sometimes I think what are the juries watching because it not the the same as us all. I know they watch the rehearsals but still, in my opinion giving Michal Szpak only 7 points was a crime. that guy is amazing. Color of your life is my all time favourite song.

[@KyrieFortune]

They literally watch and rate another show, the Friday rehearsal, and unfortunately a few singers tank the Friday rehearsal

[@olsialla5275]

Stefania had a good quantity of jury points.....is just the Televoting that made it way larger

[@melisaln.1119]

Norway 2009 and Austria 2014 no.1 by jury and tele🤔

[@AntonDiachuk]

And Portugal 2017

[@vadymiks]

still feeling sad for keiino, they were robbed as hell

[@MeowMeow-yq6ef]

Although I completely disagree with some of jury's decisions, I have to admit that jury voting complement and balance fans voting. Juries saved many bops, actually, while fans screw them over 👀

[@archigal]

Aram MP3 is forever my favorite, followed by Loic Nottet, Konstrakta, Go_A and Jamala

[@samanthajones87886]

amazing taste! i love all of them

[@archigal]

@@samanthajones87886 thanks!

[@s.s.8384]

Italy, Russia and Serbia entered the chat.

[@darasullen8289]

Ukraine also.

[@juanignaciotejero]

The fact that in 30 years most songs here will not even reach the top 50

[@amazingbluelobster]

Ofc they wont

[@AlexESC]

I guess I should clarify once more. This is basically a video of the biggest difference differences in the televoting and the jury voting scores, but only those songs that did better at the televote. I could have named it that, which would be the least controversial title but that's too long. I needed something really short. And clickbait-y, sure. While still being more neutral and positive towards the songs than "overrated", "underrated", "favored", "killed"... You can tell I've tried a lot of options but if someone's got a better one considering those criterias, I'm all ears. And since the idea for the top came first and the title later, then no, the idea to just change the method is not the solution because the video like this still needs to exist and to have a name. But I have tried a few other methods before (like years before) to possibly make such versions as well, but I didn't like any of them more than this one. Some of them just went too far and got so complicated that it wouldn't be entertaining for most people. But here's my take on the two most popular suggestions. Differences in the televote and the jury rankings. First of all, there's a lot less varieties in placings as there are only 25 or 26 of them in the final, so there are lot of ties which I usually try to avoid. And that doesn't happen in the video here. But that's kind of a minor thing. What is important is that I think scores matter more than rankings. While yes, jury rank songs at first, but at the very first step of calculating each country's jury score it is converted into points. And in extreme cases you could have more points in the jury vote but ranked lower in the jury vote than in the televote. But your rankings don't matter at this points. Only your points do, at least in the current system. Saying that, I still might try making that one, but it would be to complement the method above, not to replace it. Another one is to simply divide the bigger score (televote in this case) by the smaller one (jury). That leaves a question of how to deal with those that got 0 points. I guess all of them are on top automatically? Even if you got 1 point in the televote. Or maybe you even did get 1 point in the jury and 20 points in the televote which makes a huge difference of x20. You could say I can just discard such entries. But until what point, where to set that barrier? I try to make such statistical videos as objective as possible and that means no artificial barriers, only those that were made by the formula itself. That's why the winners weren't excluded here as well, because there is only a few of them and it wouldn't drastically change the video but it's still fun to see how they compare to the rest. Basically, I tried the dividing method and failed because it got messy.

[@TwixxFPS]

Top 50 most differences between Tele- and Juryvote in Grand Final (2009-2022) / Eurovision

[@AlexESC]

But that would be a different video. How do you say if there are only those songs which did better at the televote?

[@l1lium]

This year Finland gets the 2nd place. The difference between tele and jury points is 226, and the max jury points was 432, so the percentage is 52,31% And if we take the title literally, it was hurt by jury by not winning (unlike Ukraine last year) but let's not cling to the title :D

[@kriseriksen7706]

@@l1lium Poland, Croatia, Ukraine, and Norway make the list too.

[@siler22]

You can hardly say that Ukraine was hurt by juries in 2022

[@MrMrjack18]

Compare to Televoting 439 points.... they did get hurt so much ! did you even understand the meaning of this video ?

[@EclipseHighroller]

@@MrMrjack18 do you understand that if there was no war, Ukraine not only would have a televote very close to the jury number, but they wouldn’t have won in the first place?

[@MrMrjack18]

@@EclipseHighroller You are telling me ? of course if there was no war Ukraine wouldn't won Televoting with ridiculous 439 points

[@PauloCesarLira5]

@@MrMrjack18 even if Ukraine got only 30 points from jury they would still win. The televote was massive. I don't see it as the jury hurting them, they were 4th with the jury, points are not a good way to measure these things because they are differently counted. It would be better to count positions, because 4th to 1st is not distant at all, however if you take Moldova this year, THAT is being hurt by jury, they were extremely low in the scoreboard with them

[@MrMrjack18]

@@PauloCesarLira5 Basically this video compared Televoting with jury vote..... that's why Ukraine 1st because the difference was huge ! it's comparison not if 4th place at juries was bad, because it's not !

[@naborrodriguezdieguez7758]

Hola. Te dejo las que a mi me gustaron de tu top 50. 50, 48, 47, 45, 34, 22, 15, 8, 7, 6, 5, 1.

[@pdv457]

Loved Keeino!

[@eivindjohansen4023]

Spirit in the sky should have won it was so much better then arcade they were robbed of the victory

[@Oleksandr.Derkach]

It's so fascinating that number 1 on this list had still won the contest

[@zebras54]

the publc voting has good taste, many of my faves are in there. . Even Alexander Rybak is in there. I don't understand why City Lights and Fatto Niente didn't get higher jury votes these two songs are very well written. Congrats Stefania.

[@maybethealice5950]

one thing this also really shows to me is that the songs i remember most from different esc years is often not the ones praised high by the jury with high jury scores but the ones with high televoting scores, the ones the people loved, not the juries.

[@PauloCesarLira5]

I think it should be counted as their position in the televoting/jury ranking instead of quantity of points, because the way the points are given are not the same for each category. See Ukraine this year for example, they were 4th with the jury, not at all far from the 1st place, but because they had more than double the points in televoting, the difference looks huge when looking that way. In reality, they just jumped 3 positions. This is no big difference, they were not "hurt". It's different than Moldova 2022 or Norway 2019. Moldova had a 18 PLACE DIFFERENCE! Norway had a 17 place difference. So counting the points is not an accurate way to do this video, in my opinion. When Fuego was in the beginning I thought o.O wtf..... It was fifth with the jury and second with the televote, that's not very "hurtful"...

[@florimond1816]

Poland was even 25th with jury points and 3d with televoting

[@tonymatic1704]

konstraktism

[@beandrag9019]

Lithuania really just gets robbed by the juries

[@faesk]

Sergey reserved to win in 2016!

[@ItsDanito]

Biggest robberies: - In Corpore Sano (2022) 🇷🇸 - Shum (2021) 🇺🇦 - Dark Side (2021) 🇫🇮 - Spirit In The Sky (2019) 🇧🇻 - Under The Ladder (2018) 🇺🇦 - Lie to Me (2018) 🇨🇿 - You are the only one (2016) 🇷🇺 - Grande Amore (2015) 🇮🇹

[@MrMaple-iq1sh]

There's a new song on this list.

[@miteandonovski4160]

Tamara Macedonia 2019 247:58?

[@EclipseHighroller]

You really can’t count Ukraine in 2022 as their televote was extremely over-inflated due to the war and the jury most likely voted the way it did to balance out the unfair advantage they had in the televote. Keiino is still the number 1 spot on this list.

[@garcsstuff6734]

Ok so he’s going to change the math?

[@SageArdor]

@@garcsstuff6734 The mathematics aren't the problem. The problem is judging "hurt by juries" using math gives a misleading impression of what "hurt" means in this context. Another comment pointed out that it would be more fair to point out the place differential between jury and televote, not the point difference. And I have to say I agree.

[@koolhoven6342]

@@SageArdor I agree with that idea tbh. Some of the songs on this list that were apparently hurt straight up won so I feel they shouldn't be included

[@naflppeelg]

This should exclude winners if it’s “‘most hurt by juries” bc technically no matter what, they won.

[@BrynjarReynisson]

Completely agree. It makes no sense to include winning songs to be honest

[@alesa5337]

Either Keiino or Kalush will be...

[@bogdan-cristiantimofte5625]

Shum, In corpore sano, Trenulețul, Party for everybody.. They deserved so much better. We almost never get these uniquely "crazy" entries to win, if we ever did. Käärja this year had a chance but yet again defeated by the standard pop music. Verska also had a chance and didn't get it. Hatari yet again. I want one of these entries to win for once, and this not to be for political reasons (Ukraine 2022). The only one we got was Finland 2006 and it's almost been two decades since.

[@blauerose8641]

No more juries They only give high scores to ballads

[@yomamma9069]

Naw man Ukraine (2022) wasnt cut by the Jury, as a matter of fact they were given insane amount of points and we all know the reason why so pretty sure that song wasnt supposed to be on the list

[@jordygarcia3119]

2015 jury is the reason Italy didn’t win

[@beandrag9019]

Thank god for the jury then

[@cyprianmurgala]

Song which won esc was the most hurted song for 13 years. xd

[@sirprintalot]

Keiino's reign of terror is over.

[@airin.unohana]

#8 and #7 should ve been higher. ESPECIALLY #7.

[@marystone1526]

Good lord, the jury sucks. Every year, I yell at the TV (literally, I'm ashamed to admit) due to their dumb decisions, but seeing it here in condensed form is just aggravating.

[@israeel.0631]

THE SONG NUMBER 10 WTFF ?!??!?

[@MrIyan1]

Please remove jury from finally votes.

[@Fenksta]

How are winners of a year "hurt by the jury" ? XD

[@jifj9517]

Eurovision juries has no credibility

[@lexezlao]

Tbf Ukraine was only hurt by technicality as it still got first place lmao Same with zitti e buoni

[@tahaozbay6759]

BC of war, I'm going to have to listen to this song on every list.. 🇺🇦 🤮

[@markojovanovic5901]

Proof that Serbia will always be underated by jury, they are always hurt by jury like every year...

[@jaersonestera5276]

Ukraine this year will surely top the top 50

[@stefanieernst4907]

Italy maneskin its de best winners 2021 finland 2022 ukraine

[@pustak7202]

a lot of these trigger me severly, i hate the juries, they're clearly biased, otherwise they would give us (Poland) some points

[@kaitlinbilous4605]

The jury alone gave ye a silver!

[@Vyro-g12]

Lol

[@ivannovoa4782]

Even 4 Serbian entries

[@Milan-zh1wy]

Michał Szpak 7 points from jury 💀

[@beandrag9019]

As it should be

[@sannev8407]

Most songs in this video I'm not a BIG fan of, so my conclusion is that 'm happy we have juries

[@EclipseHighroller]

Any record Ukraine got this year shouldnt count because it wasn’t their song that got them the record, it was solely due to the fact they are in a war with most the world on their side. So they don’t belong on this list.

[@bkresc8271]

Sergey global jury robbed

[@AlexPikmin916]

10% of this was Russia

[@livinglegendlanadelrey]

UKRAINE WINNER