Revisiting F1 23...BETTER Handling Than F1 24?!

[@Tiametmarduk]

F1 23 is saved.

[@mimimimek3488]

F1 23 is the real game

[@gabrielbuzas50]

Bro did Gillon dirty 💀

[@Zennec_Fox]

I haven't bought F1 24 (for obvious reasons) and I've been playing F1 23 with the 2024 mod and wow is it amazing, It is hands down the best F1 experience I have had since F1 2020

[@adam5707]

I encourage everyone to go back to f1 23. I redownloaded it and oh wow the racing on it is so good when compared to 24. Did back to back races at imola on 23 and 24 and 24 was follow the train and 23 were battles and aggressive ai. Also when you put in a good lap on 23 it is rewarding. Not to mention the kerbs will punish u if taken too much. F1 24 is too easy, bad racing, and overall a dull driving model.

[@jonnybb]

The Steam player base seems to be speaking on which (not just handling) they prefer too. The peak avg players per day was easily 3300 for F1 23 (until F1 24 release) while F1 24 is already down to 2200. Hell, the last month F1 23 is: 1400. F1 24 is 2100. F1 23 only dropped below 3000 in two months of the year before F1 24 release, Oct & Jan where the biggest Steam deals normally are. F1 24 peak is already less than the lowest F1 23 peak, 2100 avg peak for last 30 days. Of course, the producers won't care as they already got their money from the game.

[@Spider-Man62]

bro is underestimating the console player base massively

[@HughMyron372]

@@Spider-Man6224 sold far fewer on consoles as well. I should know as I manage 3 separate leagues. Every single one has lost at least 1/3rd of its drivers. One over half. 24 has been a disaster in terms of player count.

[@TJM1992]

F1 23 is miles ahead of F1 24 thanks to your "amazing feedback" to get the handling changed on F1 24

[@hatmanf133]

I miss F1 2020

[@Spider-Man62]

play f1 2020. It didn't go anywhere

[@simp4018]

Niga it got removed from xbox​@@Spider-Man62

[@ManOfPillowDoom]

​@@Spider-Man62 maybe he's like me and played it through xbox game pass which it isn't on anymore

[@JamesBond77]

I miss your mom my guy.😶

[@HammerHeart3229]

@@ManOfPillowDoom Hence why physical media will always be superior!

[@HughMyron372]

The car drives like it has some weight in 23, that’s the difference. Play Iracing or Assetto corsa and drive F1 cars on there, the feeling is similar to 23 in terms of front end response. These cars weigh 800kg, they won’t have that stupid infinite grip front end that 24 has. 24s front end just shows the arcade direction the game has gone in. Also, the turning is much more realistic in 23. These modern F1 cars are famous for needing smooth steering inputs, Peter Windsor talks about it CONSTANTLY. In 23 you NEED to be smooth on your inputs, in 24 the weird herky jerky steering is weird as is the stability control.

[@AlexGillonGameplay]

I'd say iRacing is very different to either 23 or 24, but better in almost every way in terms of handling

[@HughMyron372]

@@AlexGillonGameplay Drive the W13 in iracing and it feels a lot like the 23 handling model. The car feels lethargic and understeery at low speeds but grips up at high speeds. Fact is I can go from 23 to iracing and vice versa and keep my pace because despite it being more realistic and detailed, the basic feel of the car is similar. In 24 the car has no weight and the front end is way too pointy.

[@talibjames2659]

@@AlexGillonGameplay even still youre commenting about how much more steeering input you need but irl drivers need to turn the wheel WAY more than f1 23, and especially 24. The slip angle of the tires just is not correct.

[@citedcanvas85]

I had more fun on 23 game. Not enjoying 24 game

[@HammerHeart3229]

I'm still playing F1 23, I think I know the answer already but should I not bother with F1 24?

[@SpeedFra_]

@@HammerHeart3229 if u have no interest in competing in leagues just stick to 23

[@HammerHeart3229]

@@SpeedFra_ I've never cared about online gaming so that's all the justification I need to not bother with F1 24. I suppose in that case I might buy this year's F1 Manager because I liked F1 Manager 22 or hell, I might buy this year's MotoGP game just to switch things up a bit! 😂

[@blackbee_v8]

I dont understand the question. F1 24 is dogshit. Thanks to people like you, araava, tiametmarduk and all the other casual drivers who said the "New handling Model is good and very realistic". Just go and have a look at the current Player numbers. Its dying 2 month after Release already. BUT HEEEY, WE HAVE A BRAND NEW CAREER MODE !!! THANK YOU 🙏🏽

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

tbf, you always gotta take creator opinions with a grain of salt if their livelyhood is based on 1 game. I haven't brought an F1 game since 2020, each year I'm just hoping to see an overhaul since the last was in 2015. Codemasters has had tech that surpassed iRacing ever since they brought SMS yet haven't implemented it and now iRacing has updated their track simulations that CM could've already had. Each year that passes there's less and less reasons to buy the game unless you're in love with the sport.

[@justinburley8659]

All annual release games die after launch. That’s why they release a new game every year. These games aren’t live service, so it doesn’t matter if the player base isn’t super active after a couple of months.

[@andreysab3432]

F1 24 is the first f1 game without downshift to steer, which automatically makes the handling better

[@AlexGillonGameplay]

Not sure I've ever said "New handling Model is good and very realistic" 😂 You musta missed my handling video on the main channel video where I laid into it pretty hard

[@blackbee_v8]

@@AlexGillonGameplay you also said " the handling feels like f1 23" when you were playing after the first "big" update, which we all know, is clearly not the case.

[@mimimimek3488]

You should be more honest as the fall in players is decreasing your salary directly. F1 24 handling is no more than arcade. It is only going to go downhill as the handling model was put with so little effort, it's a disgrace. EA did everything to market the game but couldn't pay one person to fix the game. I will not be playing f1 games after f1 23 and am moving on to more realistic games.

[@jerrymcallister]

Love this. 24 is crap and all the comments from the community say that loudly. I'm not sure who he's trying to fool here. But as you say, securing that salary.

[@AlexGillonGameplay]

The biggest problem is that there was a lot of effort put into the handling model this year - more resource than previous years, so the direction is worrying. But hopefully they can find a direction somewhere between 23 and 24

[@molnarandrelukacs5866]

​@@AlexGillonGameplay i dont know what handlling you expect from the project cars 1 and 3 handling designer

[@RLS_Basmati_f1]

He is honest

[@nicopinzel]

@@molnarandrelukacs5866wasn’t PC1 quite alright too? (I never played 3)

[@archstanton3171]

Since i have never driven an actual F1 car i would like to know how the different handling models relate to real life. Was F1 23 realistic and F1 24 is super arcade-like. Ideally a handling model is set up to be as close to realism as possible or am i wrong?

[@fxckrio]

i think its somewhat hard to say - for the f1 games, codies needs to make them accessible to controller players too, which makes it a bit more nuanced

[@manawearblack]

Never driven an F1 car but I've drove open wheel that is like F3/F4, it's completely different. Even on a nice home setup it's not even close. I can't even begin to explain the differences, the g force aside, it just feels so assisted. Even when everything is turned off it still feels like the car is always your best friend and trying to help you and you have to make so many bad mistakes to get punished. In a real car of this nature, if you so much as twist the steering wheel too much or too early you are fighting for your life. The car is almost always against you, it takes so much for it to feel like wow this car is my friend and wants me to survive to see my family again 😂Ofc with F1 the cars are heavier and have way better aerodynamics but still the nature of the car is the same, just better. No F1 game I've ever played has felt even remotely real, was lucky enough to have a go on a spec sim in 2018 and it was incredible. This is just a casual arcade game, which is what most players want. If it was a truly realistic sim 95% couldn't complete a half pace lap without crashing and so they wouldn't buy it. iRacing etc. is a lot closer but still not close to a spec sim. I think before I die I will see the amazing simulations in peoples homes, maybe what the manufacturers have now will be where home setups are, but right now it is crazy prices. Sorry if I said anything wrong English is not my first language, I will answer anything I know 😊 Oh and I forgot, the game I think most similar to it is f1 21 I think, the one that was lots of spins and pointy nose, but also again it's like saying 1% close or 1.1% it makes no difference

[@gallenushi4180]

I have f1 23 and f1 manager 24 instead of buying f1 24. Best decision i made this year probably

[@VitoBrkic]

That stability control I felt like was on the controller was years now where you can feel so confident driving it sideways its crazy and it would help the controller in low speed change of direction for example

[@sunniduh]

Can we get a F1 22 comparison? :)

[@spiyder]

no.

[@G_F.W_H]

They need to lessen the rear grip by making the slip upon acceleration more pronounced (so flooring it will cause you to lose way too much traction and spin out). The other thing that can work is to move the weight of the car more to the front to get rid of the massive amount of rear grip. So the micro-corrections will still be necessary, however there will need to be finer precision upon and/or with acceleration.

[@nggogoe653]

i enjoyed very much driving F1 23 but for my personal opinion one thing that i’ve been searching for to make the front end stronger and more pointy. No matter what i did with car settings i couldn’t get it right to the point where i want it to be. Then i finally give F1 24 a try. Like you said i was quite surprised how sharp the front end is. Through enough practice finally i get used to it and able to drive with 360 rotation. i’m using dd pro and increase natural inertia for 20 to give weight into the steering wheel and for me it feels really good. And i like the body roll effect also in F1 24. To my personal preference, i’m staying with F1 24 now.

[@mobux-dk3yj]

The same guy crying at the start of 24, i dont get the point in lying its shit this year compared to last year

[@clutchkick_]

It depends on your driving style and which one you have more fun on, personally I prefer this year's handling model, I have more fun with it, so most likely it just suits my driving style better, it's down to personal preference, not lying at all, why would he anyway? he isn't sponsored by them, he's gonna tell the truth

[@mobux-dk3yj]

@@clutchkick_he is they all are watch jimmy broadbents recent vid on the game

[@africanpenguin3104]

Well yeah cuz they changed it 😂

[@TomislavPuklin-wz1bl]

Thing is. They are using the same model for a controller and a wheel when you can literally just adopt something like a CASUAL and COMPETITIVE physics where on CASUAL you can run both a wheel and controller almost on par, and on COMPETITIVE, a controller might still run, but a same person would go slower on the controller than on a wheel like a 100% of the time.

[@ayushdeshmukh8553]

alex its clear youre flooring the throttle and using lower gears in slow speed corners to make the car slide on purpose, we get you have a f1 24 handling is better propaganda but why trash on F1 23?

[@steelin666]

You can't really say the cars in 23 aren't sharp enough if you're playing in T-cam view. Wider FOV effectively mutes the sharpness impression, just like it mutes sense of speed. Go into cockpit view, set a realistic FOV and cars will feel plenty sharp.

[@yougotkained]

I stayed off of F1 24 this whole time, even more so because they didn't bother putting it on PSVR 2 which I believe is lazy, so I will vote with my wallet - however I just tried the trial today and IT GENUINELY IS 10x better for me... Cars ACTUALLY stick on track with that front end and ACTUALLY turn. I was sick of F1 22 and then somewhat even F1 23 when you're constantly sliding around and can't break properly. It's such a steep learning curve in which you seem to be on the edge constantly, just exacerbated by the fact you can't damn turn ffs.

[@man_haver9160]

Only man who likes F1 24 😂

[@RLS_Basmati_f1]

You dont probably even have the game

[@man_haver9160]

@@RLS_Basmati_f1 bro rlly thought he did smth there 💀

[@RLS_Basmati_f1]

@@man_haver9160 goofy ass comment, what do you mean? have you tried the post 1.7 patch

[@arisk2410]

@@man_haver9160this kid is meatriding Alex in every comment lmao

[@ScarlettHasToast]

I honestly think both handling models need work. They're both arcade-y when compared to other sims on the market. Neither game really has a good sense of weight transfer. F1 24 feels like you're always trailing the brakes with the stupid amount of front end authority you get and F1 23 feels like you're always slightly on the throttle with tons of understeer. Neither game really allows you to steer with the pedals and dance on the edge of the grip like you can in other sims.

[@neokoz]

I'd say having Max Verstappen help develop your handling model, we shouldn't be surprised these cars have a more pointy front-end lol

[@claxxz1]

11:35 and this shit would be "closer to real life than 23" lol

[@mistery4131]

Year after year, codemasters has made the F1 games worse and worse. It's going more and more in the direction of arcade, graphically unchanged and all the same mistakes implemented every year anew. I'm sorry for anyone who throws 80€ out of the window for this, unfortunately I'm one of them

[@dustin_vincent]

Alex, i like you.... but what your saying is basically wrong. The 2023 handling was way more realistic than 24. those cars we have, are GROUND EFFECT CARS. those cars have a better response, when driving fast because they produce way more downforce then. That was the case in 23 game. you have a lot of understeer in slow speed, which is what made f1 23 a great game. Thats what nobody is talking about enough.... in 2021 and before we havent had ground effect so that handling now would have been more accurate but still over the top for 2021-2017 games :P also i highly doubt you´ve used a meta setup in 23 TT... that turn in looked like 30-25 wings setup... meta was about 42-32 :) (still like you as a content creator

[@connorcmc5388]

tbh i am enjoying 24 more then 23 as a controller player but i do hope they make improvements for 25

[@medvedarci]

It seems F1 23 really doesn't have enough front-end grip and feels "lazy". On the other hand F1 24 is too responsive on drivers initial input. There is no weight transfer and grip buildup when turning in. (I haven't played F1 24 and my opinion is based on watching videos but I think a bit less "bity" front and more separated mechanical and aerodynamic grip together with weight transfer could improve the physics of F1 24)

[@odengtang2]

I’m still playing 23. Still Fun. 100% agree with 24’s racing is not fun.

[@Mtqlk]

While sliding the car feels like it’s auto breaking on F1 24 otherwise in my opinion F1 24 is way better and more dynamic interns of handling F1 23 feels like a game while f1 24 feels more like what a simulator would feel like

[@HughMyron372]

Play iracing or assetto corsa. F1 23 feels much more similar than whatever arcade shit 24 is

[@adam5707]

Its the ai on f1 24 i cant stand. The races are so boring and the ai dont really battle u. There just a train of cars for you to overtake through the race.

[@siredmunddorrance4350]

Increase the steering rate in F1 23's settings and it really sharpens the nose, so you'll have a true test / comparison.

[@Formula-Shorts]

Maybe going back to f1 22 would be fun

[@Henrix1998]

24 looks just as stupid compared to 23 as it did on launch. The front grip and direction change is just dumb. Imo only better thing in 24 is tyre wear that cares about how you drive.

[@thiagosalles6363]

f1 23 are so much more realistic than 24, mainly because the front end, its completely arcade on f1 24

[@thandontantiso3744]

Good analysis.

[@mjw28gaming]

Must be just me but I find F124 far superior

[@ryancganim]

11:35 yeah right , this is far superior …

[@robertedwards1145]

EA win because all the discussion is about whether the handling is better rather than whether the new game is in fact just an expensive skin pack

[@F1Nico22]

idek how this is a debate 23 is so clear

[@agoogleuser4299]

Driving from that camera view, above the driver is cheating! That view should be banned in race. Its not the drivers eye view point. That view is for television and should only viewable from replay etc.

[@ManOfPillowDoom]

Its literally the same game...

[@ViniciusVieiraCruz33]

Fix the handling in wet conditions, the car has forward momentum going sideways, go into replay mode and watch the camera from outside the car in high speed corners like turn 5 in canada, it's so stupid and unrealistic, I guess ea never watched a real life f1 race in the rain

[@jumbojimbo706]

I’ve started simulating all the wet races in my career. It’s not that it’s hard, it’s that it’s crazily unrealistic. The AI have 0 issues with traction and drive like there’s no water on track, just a bit slower. My car, even with 20% throttle, can fucking drift round a corner and the back end can spin out left and right and it’ll level itself up again, multiple times lol

[@AlexGillonGameplay]

Yea I didn't try the wet in this video, but there's no doubt the wet weather driving is worse this year

[@SlyJordie]

bro did everything he could to make 23 look like the inferior game 😂

[@mrflawless9376]

are both games faster with 60 fps ?

[@mistery4131]

All F1 games from codemasters makes you faster with 60 fps.

[@alonsoayniben]

try f1 2018 for me its the best on handling

[@dustin_vincent]

OMG i miss f1 23, although i am quite a bit faster on 24 game...

[@Matt231985uk]

Someone's trying to stay on EA's good books....

[@pro2ject077]

Is it better than f1 22? I’m not putting myself through the trauma of f1 22 to find out.

[@mirkof2068]

Imo f1 24 handling went from bad to worse… the Release version was just broke this Alonso 2005 driving should have been patched and not the entire front end the car actually did what a f1 car did in real life respond to the steering and actually have a front wing to turn now it’s the same old sh*t like f1 23 22 21 and 19 for people that likes oversteer cars and a pointy sharp front end it’s so awful to play and get shafted by it to league race in Belgium for example I need to drive 21/0 to have a good balance issue is when like 75% of the Community only drives understeery cars they can drive with 15/0 and these 6 wings difference are on every straight in spa like a tenth or more depending where and in the corners you don’t make up that much time because the ride height is the main part to create downforce … I beg for you content creators to ask if we get ballast back like f1 2018 it balance the Game out and much more people would enjoy it again main part to fix it is just to not make it overpowered like 2017 …18 was also a bit overpowered but it could have been easily fixed if you made it less Performance related more handling related… To f1 23 imo it helped that 22 was so dogsh*t but if you really think about it f1 23 is a average f1 game if you cut out 22 its basically f1 2021 just with 23 cars Kerbs are the exact same car is in general understeery from the start and you have random spins as said for me they all in the same category 23,22,21,19 and as the handling is now 24 it’s understeery random, no feeling of what the car is doing over the wheel … 17,18,20 will be 3 levels above still because it had the perfect balance of handling if you liked understeer the car still gives you enough turning to be quick if you like oversteer the car turns in Perfectly if you can control the rear you be as quick as a understeer driver … Something needs to change at ea Codies simple

[@PeytonAdickes]

F1 24 handling feel more connected to the road, f1 23 feels like your just sliding across the road all the time. Also some of the kerbs is f1 23 are to sensitive!

[@arteee1]

yes i agree f1 23 is very slidy, after playing Assetto corsa it feels very strange. I dont know if i should try f1 24, because i want the same feel of grip like in AC with AI(AI is the reason im considering to buy it lol)

[@Werferharfer]

So, is not worth to get F1 24 ?

[@apophisstr6719]

Not even a bit, 23 is basically the completed version of 24 with miles better physics, 24 is pure dogshit

[@bamibalhaar]

Depends what you like because 23 the car feels to heavy and 24 to much front end but irl drivers say 24 is more realistic than 23

[@Sogetsin]

@@bamibalhaar how many of those people asked were paid? all of them

[@apophisstr6719]

@@Sogetsin Exactly.

[@HughMyron372]

@@bamibalhaarThe car is supposed to be heavy, it weighs 800kg

[@paranormalgambler2814]

Like 23 but im enjoying 24 much more in on controller tho but f124 is a big step in the right way for sure jus need keep improving from what we have now i think by tine 26 rolls around itll b a tottly new game pretty much heres to hipeing they let code masters do there thing ! Cheers mate good vid as allways

[@zantroX__yt]

F1 24 overhated

[@AMIRIxxMAJYN]

My issue with 24 is no matter what my car is always tail happy

[@RiceDavies1]

F1 24, yet another copy/paste game from EA

[@LarryFisherman742]

Why is bro glazing 24

[@RLS_Basmati_f1]

Its good

[@SchooleyGT]

Why do people listen to anything this guy says? All of this video was so blatantly put on and disingenuous, not to mention the history of terrible wheel to wheel racing

[@Coldy-qp1be]

wisit 2022 lmao

[@th3h4b1t]

Reminds us, how many times did u race in F1 to say that it feels realistic or not?

[@ExodiaNecross2]

F1 24 handling & game better overall then f1 23

[@sonargames3148]

First

[@wtffreak99]

actually first and ben was 2nd

[@ryanball576]

VSE HAVE 2023 Set ups on discord.