FLYING THE 737 MAX! First Flight Back in Canada with WestJet

[@alecairpaag]

Don't know the CEO personally but that speach sounded sincerely from the heart. I'm glad for them.

[@Shiver2002]

I was thinking the same thing. the speech didn't sound as scripted as you would expect.

[@jimmerritt6340]

Definitely from the heart. I will fly in the max with Westjet at the first opportunity.

[@Jacksonrodriguez]

yep! I felt the same way! great speech indeed! It was genuine

[@andy567t]

New CEO of Boeing so the work environment has changed ,,,

[@markstevenson1646]

That speech was made sincerely from his wallet, now they have the flying coffin back in the air his end of year bonus is back on track

[@kaiserman6667]

This very plane has been parked outside my office window for the entire time they were grounded. Sorry to see her go lol

[@royhsieh4307]

at least it wasn't attempting to land in front of your office.. lol

[@cdrlemuz]

Lucky 😠

[@kicksledkid]

I like that Ed Sims and the Flight ops VP were on the flight. Adds a lot of confidence!

[@_w_w_]

Their wives loaded up on life insurance on the them...

[@tiktokvault4683]

Flight Ops VP was the captain. Very nice to see

[@crushingvanessa3277]

I wonder if Boeing execs went for a ride during testing?

[@Tony-vb4bh]

@@crushingvanessa3277 Yep. Dave Calhoon (CEO) was on the first MAX flight along with the head of their commercial aircraft head. The head (administrator) of the FAA also personally flew the MAX with the software updates before re-certifying it.

[@alleycatvietnam]

Agreed....Shows a lot of class.

[@rob_at_shop]

I'm so jealous. I so wanted to be on this flight. I almost ditched work to go. My responsibilities outweighed my heart unfortunately.

[@rob_at_shop]

Also from Calgary btw

[@MrMig5terious]

That speech from the WestJet CEO was one that reassured people that it was a 737MAX return which prioritises passenger and crew safety over profits, but I'm nonetheless glad the MAX is back as it will help many airlines survive the Pandemic due to the fuel efficiency the MAX has to offer

[@markrhuett]

I wouldn't hesitate one bit flying on the Max. With all the scrutiny, it has to be the safest aircraft out there imo...

[@cee8226]

It's a tragedy really... to think that they allowed 737 again. I mean, I just came from James Asquith channel review about it and man, don't even think of getting first class coz it's almost the same as the economy.

[@habirton]

Really? The company is still being run by the same executives (aside from the CEO who was pushed out). Same structure. Same FAA and other agencies that certified it to begin with. What really changed aside from a second sensor for the MCAS (the fact that it was certified with one is mind boggling), a software update, and a lot of PR?

[@fecesd5g]

this comment didn't age well 😂

[@tristanacosta407]

When southwest first flew the max. It was perhaps the most comfiest flight I’ve been on and it’s so amazing to see it fly again.

[@bobbraan8706]

Southwest and Air Canada both had engine issues and had to emergency land on one engine just moving the 737 Max on a ferry flight. What else is wrong with it? They flew for 1.5 years before they started crashing. Southwest had a deal with Boeing that it would cost Boeing $1 million per plane if new training was required for the Max. That's why MCAS was removed from the flight manual and pilots knew nothing about it. Until they started crashing.

[@TheHDAviation]

That's awesome you got up on the MAX's first flights back in service, looks like it was a beautiful morning to fly. You can't beat those mountain views!

[@janfurne]

everyone freaking out about the max when in reality its probably safer now than most aircraft after vigorous testing the past 2 years, compared to many other aircraft it still has very low accidents and incidents compared to any other aircraft.

[@janfurne]

@Nic Lazzari for real

[@TheOwenMajor]

It was always safe. What isn't safe is flying on a third world airline. Boeing's faults are minor when you read how incompetent the airlines and pilots involved in the crashes were.

[@tangill747]

I agree with both sides. I can relate to people who lost loved ones in those 2 accidents and those who lost their confidence in Boeing. But as an airline pilot who flies the 737 various type have confidence in Boeing, Transport Canada and my fellow colleagues flying the max to be safest aircraft out in the industry. I can't wait to get recertification on this again.

[@giovanniramos849]

@@TheOwenMajor you’re kidding correct?

[@JasonB808]

The best way to get people to fly the max again is to point out the planes are super clean, still have that new car smell. Best for the COVID-19 conscious traveler.

[@canadiandeplorable2087]

Should be the safest aircraft of all time now. Boeing has put all of their reputation on this aircraft. I would fly on it anytime.

[@jcspotter7322]

It's so good to see the MAX back in the skies

[@beau4690]

Yes indeed

[@robinmyman]

How many lives lost in a 737 with all the denial about its previous faults...not least of which was the defective rudder screws?

[@Elliott2001]

@@robinmyman stop moaning, Boeing is back baby! Time to teach airbussy a lesson.

[@electric7487]

@@robinmyman And people like you wonder why so many avgeeks have lost interest in aviation...

[@jcspotter7322]

@@robinmyman more people died in a single accident in 1977 from 2 747s, and people are still flying with them to this day: because after the accident the issues that let to that crash were fixed and redundant safety measures were put in place, same with the 737max

[@chadnguyen6332]

I plan on flying on a 737 MAX. Such a cool aircraft.

[@yotamsherf]

you're SO LUCKY you get to fly over the rockies so often

[@TheYang2208]

the pilot absolutely buttered the runway. softest landing i've ever seen

[@joeblow4639]

Incredible airplane! Definitely one of the safest planes in the world! Go Boeing!

[@bobbraan8706]

"The Boeing 737 Max is now the deadliest mainstream jetliner." Airbus A320 and older 737 models are among the safest.

[@ethansaviation2672]

@@bobbraan8706 you jusr copied you comment 😂

[@jamesheggie1854]

Great video, it's so nice too see this jet back in service again. It's also really nice to see the CEO and other executives on this flight. I'll look forward to stepping onto a Max in the future.

[@justforsheba]

Flew on it 2x in 2019. Would have no problem doing it again.

[@chuckwin100]

This bodes well to inspire confidence needed by the flying public to get past the 2 crashes.

[@l.faraday8767]

We have always flown WestJet and if we can get this plane again, we’ll book with them in 2022.

[@Fungamer4570]

I flew a max 8 from halifax to toronto and back. I have to say that the max 8 is insanely spacious for the size of the plane (im a tall guy and had plenty of leg room) And I havent flown much ever but my mother who used to travel for work keeps raving about how its the smoothest flight shes ever been on.

[@jimwiens742]

I am jealous, I would have loved to be on that flight. I trust WestJet and their crews that they will do all they can to make any trip on any plane safe and enjoyable. The only thing I miss flying with WestJet is the early flight crews that made jokes and kept the passengers coming back for more.

[@mapleleafaviation304]

Can't believe you made that flight! I've been waiting for this long, waiting for that one day they said "its officially cleared to fly." Keep up the great content Alex, and safe travels to you! 👍🏼

[@friknob7428]

WOW! The new westjet livery is gorgeous! I need to check it out one of these days

[@jeckyyeung5072]

It's sad not being able to fly; but it's happy to be able to watch your flight review video, at least it brings back my fond memories in the sky....

[@some_funny_dude_named_bran5144]

I’m glad no one clapped after the landing

[@9999AWC]

@Faelynn Washington Us pilots don't like that. It's kinda like saying "Oh thank goodness we're on the ground. I thought we were gonna die and that the landing was gonna be attrocious"

[@9999AWC]

@Faelynn Washington It's not so much disrespectful as it is similar to an annoying remark or it kinda undermines the flight/experience a bit. My previous example was a bit extreme.

[@kevinklassen4328]

In general I dislike when people clap on landings. However in this case I think it would be a reasonable thing to do, to celebrate the first completed flight of the MAX.

[@Bluelobster112]

So happy this bird is flying again. Really wish i was on it!

[@crushingvanessa3277]

Let's cross our fingers. I'm sure every new airliner will have MCAS in them now since that's how it goes. Interesting the crew told the pass. not to unbuckle until stopped. Each time I come home to Winnipeg, everyone unbuckles as soon as the reversers come off and are getting their luggage, standing in the isle. Peggers are very impatient. Glad you recorded this and the registration.

[@allenignacio9790]

I love the way how they introduce the max again with the confidence and explain well

[@michellevesque2130]

I love the Max-8 ! In my collection I have the WestJet 737-8 C-GZSG with the new livery from Gemini200 in 1/200 scale....I also have a WestJet 737-700 in the previous livery ! These and the DC-9's are my favorite airplanes....

[@charlottetyler8358]

Amazing, where Are you originally from Madam?

[@daveschwartz5893]

Nice little speech. Helps to have the brass on board. Not sure who was on AA flight. I don't think Doug Parker was on board.

[@00bikeboy]

You did a fantastic job with this video. The production was excellent. I especially liked that you just let us listen to the takeoff without narration. Not going to fly on a Max any time soon though, I'll let others like yourself test it for me.

[@cee8226]

I think everyone should be aware of how 737 flight is nowadays. I just came from James Asquith review about it and man, don't even think of getting first class coz it's almost the same as the economy.

[@_w_w_]

So glad there are many excited about the Max... Please book on the Max and free up seats on the other aircraft types for me...

[@tarifhalabi]

Good one 👍

[@jonweigand3712]

I have to say the video of the airport in the morning in YYC was shocking!! I've never been to an airport that was so deserted! I guess we'll see how the Max performs over the next few years to produce operating experience to see if it continues to be safe. (although as an side, it did have thousands of flights before the accidents) .

[@summerrayy7550]

It’s unfortunately YYC is like this do to the pandemic, usually it’s absolutely packed in the morning, or really anytime of the day.

[@athleticguy15]

@Jon Weigand, Yes, many people have forgotten that.

[@happycanayjian1582]

And here we are almost 3 years later. The Max-8 rules the Canadian skies, is safe as it ever was (WS has the -10 on order) and YYC will easily surpass its previous passenger record totals of 2019.

[@andrewcunnison6975]

Thank You Alex!!! So excited about the Max return

[@teammeteamus.8315]

I’m gobsmacked by the beauty of the Canadian Rockies.

[@737MaxPilot]

Just to clarify, that picture on the safety card is of an NG, as the engine cowlings and the tailcone are the two giveaways. Many NGs have been retrofitted with scimitar wingtips. Nice report, glad to hear a positive word about the airplane. I really like flying it, an know it will be the safest airplane in the sky now.

[@ryandymond2195]

Great to see the 737 MAX flying again in Canada!!!

[@davelumsden4228]

I’m not getting on one any time soon, I’ll let time speak for itself.

[@JayJayAviation]

Bet.

[@skarabraeranch2093]

Thanks Alex, very informative & kudos to the WestJet team for their transparency & sensitivity on the Max issue.

[@ToastRunnerHere]

I am glad she is back in service!

[@DOMINICAAVIATION]

Incredible video! Glad to see this bird back in the skies where it belongs.

[@theglobalpeasant]

Nice, sleek interior on WJ's Max. ...but they gotta bring back coffee for those AM flights!

[@markstevenson1646]

Having looked at these comments I think all these ppl either work for Boeing or westjet

[@davidberryman9688]

I flew the Max in 2018 and absolutely loved the experience. It is a beautiful aircraft and I’m very happy to see it back in service. Thanks for producing this video, it was very entertaining and your photography is out of this world. Looking forward to viewing your return trip.

[@grahamhand8644]

The view of the engine from your seat really drives home how high it's mounted to get the ground clearance and thus why MCAS was required. Loved the transparency and the fact that Ed Sims and Captain Wilson were also on the flight.

[@bobbraan8706]

MCAS still can't handle a AOA sensor failure. That's what started the crashes sequence. Only 2 sensors not 3 so when one fails MCAS shuts off now instead of crashing the plane but the pilot suddenly has to handle the pitch up condition caused by the wrong engine placement. It's still NOT fixed. 3 are required for redundancy and is the standard for Airbus. The EU was going to require 3. AOA sensors are vulnerable to bird strikes. Usually right after takeoff, near the ground.

[@jviation737]

@@bobbraan8706 Hence why the EASA requested that Boeing add synthetic airspeed to compensate for that. Now, it has to read from both and in the event both agree it'll then activate. Add that on top of synthetic airspeed and it's a quite reliable system

[@bobbraan8706]

@@jviation737 One Kluge after another. MCAS shuts off on AOA sensor disagree. Right after takeoff at low altitude when bird strikes are likely. So now the plane pitches up instead of down. MCAS is a software Kluge to compensate for the hardware Kluge of wrong engine placement. 3 AOA sensors are required for proper redundancy. Like Airbus has as standard. A Transport Canada safety official said MCAS has to go because it introduces "catastrophic hazards that weren't there before". TC required an OFF switch to be added for MCAS.

[@ethansaviation2672]

@@bobbraan8706 It can fly with out it you donkey. That has been tested by the easa

[@jviation737]

@@bobbraan8706 I recommend you read the actual EASA report. Literally states that the aircraft is stable from ***their own flight tests*** System works fine on the 787, it will be fine on the 737.

[@jackreid3523]

Oh everything seems fine..... “Hears a thump sound” “Oh fuck”

[@cee8226]

Yeah I saw this review from James Asquith about 737 MAX first class... apparently they just added a thin sheet of plastic to separate the economy hahahah it's funny, you should watch it!

[@jackreid3523]

@@cee8226 lmao 😂 thanks for recommending the video I’ll watch it

[@rulinghabs]

Glad to see it back in the skies. I am sure I read once that when these planes first came out you could opt for a few extra safety measures (which could prevent the sensor errors that occurred.) I believe both West Jet opted for at least one or both of them. The two airlines that unfortunately had the accidents had none of them. I also believe that what aided in those two planes crashing was the pilots unaware of what was going on with the sensors. (Making the plane think it was nose up thus afraid of a stall so it pushed the nose down to gain airspeed)so they kept forcing it back up only to lose the battle. These planes are great to have back. I would have no issue flying them.

[@TheOwenMajor]

The pilots were incapable, sorry but that is the truth. The pilots turned a minor trim computer issue into a fatal accident. The procedure to fix a trim malfunction is simple, just a few steps. Yet the pilots who lacked training and skill simply turned their brains off when something happened they didn't expect.

[@rulinghabs]

@@TheOwenMajor I don’t know about that. Boeing quietly added the MCAS system with no pilot retraining. The Ethiopian pilots did disengage the system but still struggled to control the plane. It was assumed that the plan is still essentially a 40 year old model, but due to the larger repositioned engines they had to add new systems.

[@TheOwenMajor]

@@rulinghabs "added the MCAS system with no pilot retraining." Pilot training is the responsibility of the airline. It was a quiet addition because it was simply a new mode on an existing system(Auto Trim). The knowledge of the MCAS system is of ZERO use to pilots, as it is the automated trim system(Of which MCAS works upon) that they control. ------------------------------ "The Ethiopian pilots did disengage the system but still struggled to control the plane." And here is the big whopper, they left full T/O thrust on the entire flight. In their panic, they forgot to decrease thrust. The reason the trim malfunction procedure calls for reducing thurst(And thus speed) after turning off the trim motor, is that increase airspeed exasperates trim issues and increases the resistance on manual trim control. Had the Ethiopian pilots simply reduced power as the procedure called for, the trim issue caused by the MCAS malfunction would have disappeared, and they could manually set the correct trim. But they didn't. In their panic, they forgot simple and basic procedures.

[@markstevenson1646]

@@TheOwenMajor what is your job title at Boeing Owen? Have you worked there long ?

[@TheOwenMajor]

@@markstevenson1646 Boeing is no saint, they take massive government handouts and stifle competition. But regarding the Max their sins are minor. The harsh reality is these third world countries have no business operating airlines.

[@joshpeace2002]

So nice to see these birds back flying again

[@jeremyscott6920]

You did a great job. As for Boeing trying to make it right, I see Boeing has been going way above and beyond to make sure these will be the safest aircraft in the sky.

[@markstevenson1646]

You mean they've done what they should have done in the first place and only because they've been forced and shamed to do so

[@petergoertzen8692]

Thanks for your input. I am looking forward to flying the 737 max

[@scottgoodwin1073]

I hope for Boeings sake their employees and of course the passengers and crew that all is resolved with this aircraft type and it has a safe and long service

[@TheOwenMajor]

The issues were always with the airlines, not Boeing. If you look at the actual crashes, it becomes clear that the airlines in question had poor maintenance and training, and their pilots lacked competency.

[@medjetaviation]

Great video Alex. I flew the MAX with Aeromexico recently. What a great aircraft.

[@mapp4751]

Great job Alex very glad to see the Max back flying and i am sure lessons have been learned by not just Boeing but the whole aviation industry! i look forward to flying on this a/c once we are out from under the covid beast!

[@FREEDOMPROSPECTOR]

Your crazy those things are bricks with wings.

[@rylans.5365]

What?

[@karlossargeant3872]

Westjet Boeing 737 Max 8 Looks Kool in The New Livery way better than Air Canada New Livery I hope too see them in Toronto or Calgary when I fly again right after COVID-19 Passes!!!!!!

[@EhviatorProductions]

Nice to meet you Alex! Keep up the amazing and supporting this incredible industry

[@cdsmrailaviation1099]

Absolutely amazing, that sunrise is incredible!

[@jenellamaicabuan308]

Hello you should also check James Asquith KZbin video as he gave his honest review regarding the 737 max. :)

[@DreamVirtualFlight]

Well done sir. Welcome MAX back in the sky again!!

[@curtismason3121]

Thank you for your positive trip report of this flight. I was in 26A and the flight was flawless!

[@Sacto1654]

I keep on forgetting that the 737 MAX uses the CFM International LEAP-1B engine. No wonder it sounds like the LEAP engine variants of the A320neo.

[@zhangrenhou]

Omo, is this same jet that returned to the gate after pushing back? Scary!

[@kallek5655]

Why scary? Returns to ramp happen quite often.

[@zhangrenhou]

Something wrong with jet, of course. Oh, did that happen to you?

[@kallek5655]

@@zhangrenhou Technical issues happen every now and then, and yes, returns to ramp happened to me as well. It's only the media that makes a big fuss about it because it was a max.

[@zhangrenhou]

It happened twice to me; the same jet on the same day. Scary! I requested to transfer to another jet, which I got. And it wasn't a 737 MAX.

[@westcoast1882]

26L was a surprise. Bet a lot of spotters waiting on 26R were pissed.

[@ianmcgee9945]

It's nice to see the Max flying again. I hope to try one sometime when Covid is over. Love your videos too!

[@ey7290]

5 years flawless flying, then Ill trust it

[@Hilde_von_Derp]

I never will. That airframe is a betrayal of everything good engineering is supposed to be. Everyone who was complicit with obscuring the importance of the MCAS in keeping the airframe stable should be up on manslaughter. They fudged so planes could sell and passengers paid the price.

[@yhfhdcf]

finally a first 737 max flight in 2021

[@ericbeaulieu4663]

737-MAX the only aircraft older in time than flight hours. However, this is very great for WestJet, prefer to see aircraft in air !

[@AnimationGoneWrong]

Alex, thank you for this video! Great to see WestJet flying these again. They seem to have gotten everything right with this.

[@ApexAviation9782]

I saw it on flightradr, and said to my self, Alex might be on Lol, guess I found out

[@roberthegarty1121]

Love the sound from those rolles Royce leam 1 turbo fan engines and im glad the 737 max is back in the air

[@JayJayAviation]

They’re CFM LEAP-1Bs

[@peterhladky5481]

It's bound to be one of the safest aircraft given the regulatory attention that it received. I would fly on it.

[@jawadkhan3696]

Great video Alex , good to see the Max back to skies .

[@irvhh143]

Your boyhood dream has come true! For the price of a ticket, you can be a test pilot.

[@CoastalAutoReactionCAR]

The MAX is now probably the safest aircraft in the sky when you think about it!

[@anthonybelton-ford3124]

Absolutely not.

[@jviation737]

@@anthonybelton-ford3124 It most likely is

[@Mechone11]

@@jviation737 Really a plane that was stretched so long ,bigger engines were added and will go nose up and stall if not for sensors and computers stopping it . Using software to fix a hardware problem is never a good outcome . The plane should have never been built, all to save making a new plane and going thru approvals , less costs and hassle to stretch an existing model

[@holloweyes5209]

Hopefully 🙏 there will be no crashes

[@SNS8R03]

That shot of the video, a Max, an 800 and a BCS220 taxing by the in back ground.

[@carelyair]

The 737 is one of the reason I tend to prefer flying Air Canada. It always feels that flights on the 737 last forever. The airbus 320 feel a lot better.

[@dynasty0019]

Well Air Canada is now replacing their A320's with 737 MAX's. There will be only one Canadian A320 operator left and that's Air Transat. Enjoy their cramped seats and horrible service.

[@kallek5655]

Great report, it's nice to see videos of those first post-grounding flights :)

[@woodytfc]

Another well shot video. Beautiful Scenery as always. Thanks Alex

[@jaypek43-Phil]

Good vid, Alex! Some fantastic views out that window! The colours in the dawn sky and the snow capped Rockies...outstanding!

[@dariushmilani6760]

Glad you're on the air again Alex. let's see you fly more frequently.

[@viscount757]

Re your comments on the 737-8 name, that's aways been the official name. MAX is only a marketing name. The official type certificate documents etc. have always only referred to 737-7, 737-8, 737-9, 737-10.

[@ktjmitchell7722]

This is true, people need to stop saying it's Boeing trying to avoid the MAX branding. It would be like calling a 737-800 a 737-NG 800

[@TheBudgetTraveller786]

Then two days later a flight to YYZ got cancelled due to a warning light. Thankfully the aircraft is slated to resume service again the following day but this definitely adds insult to injury to a already damaged public relations crises for the MAX.

[@flex5002]

One of my favorite Jets

[@aljack1979]

Looks like a lovely aircraft, quiet and smooth but I won't be stepping foot on one for a long time to come.

[@chrismckellar9350]

Ed Sims was a senior executive of Air NZ and is a New Zealander who left the airline to become the CEO of WestJet.

[@andrewsanderson1235]

Great video. Welcome back max.

[@breeze1472]

Youre a braver man than me i will say

[@rommelcruz3651]

Wonderful! I would fly the B-737 max any given day! I know it is a very safe aircraft. Kudos to Westjet! You are awesome!

[@plutoamor]

I am sure other passengers' hearts were pounding as well but not out of excitement..Did you not feel not even for a moment worried that things could go wrong or if the re-certification has been done in a rush to get them flying? Other than that, it seemed a pleasant flight..Westjet has comfy configuration of 174 pax compared to 189 in Europe or Ryanair's soon-to-be 197pax! Now, comparing takeoff engine sound as an avgeek, which one would say is more exciting, spool-up, roar and everything? 738NG or MAX?

[@TkbStl]

I would have to say at this point out of any new aircraft I may trust this one more they've been up it with a fine-tooth comb and they better have it right

[@bobbraan8706]

Hardly a fine tooth comb. A warning light stopped the very first flight. Passengers had to take a 787 instead. 25 737 Max are grounded again because fuel sealer is missing which could cause a fire. After two 737 Max had to emergency land on one engine. One mistake after another. What else is wrong with it? "25 Boeing 737 MAX 9s To Be Inspected For Missing Fuel Sealant"

[@sandrocaparelli3854]

I flew on the MAX back in 2017 with sunwing very spacious cabin and those engine noises during take-off roll are amazing.

[@dougtarbet6193]

Bravo Westjet! Loved the landing right on the 1000 for marker. Perfect glide path to la nding. I too will have no problem flying the 737 Max.

[@reecetbobby5347]

Well said. I don't get all these "experts" who refuse to step on to one of these planes. I mean do you really think they would re-certify them after two years without scrutinizing the living hell out of these things?? No way in hell they'd allow them back in the skies unless they were completely satisfied that they're safe to do so. I'll get on one any day.

[@a-10thunderboltii24]

@@reecetbobby5347 True. I think Boeing knows the risks with Airbus on their tail.

[@markstevenson1646]

@@reecetbobby5347 you mean like they were completely satisfied they were safe in the first place ?!!!, good luck being a guinea pig for these incompetent fools

[@reecetbobby5347]

@@markstevenson1646 How long has it been since they've been flying again? Know of any problems any more cuz I don't....

[@markstevenson1646]

@@reecetbobby5347 nobody was aware of any problems first time round bobby me old mucker, and that didn't end up too well for them did it (well nobody outside of Boeing anyway)

[@Ben_Stewart]

This is great. Hope you enjoyed the trip.

[@cpc8096]

I'm sure it's now the safest airplane you can fly. Great video!

[@josky1989]

Apparently the 737 MAX still has issues with its angle of attack sensor (AOA) and quality issues, but hopefully there won't be any more accidents.

[@bobbraan8706]

Now it pitches up not down when an AOA is damaged because MCAS shuts off. Still only 2 sensors not 3. 3 is required for proper redundancy so you know which one is bad.

[@josky1989]

@@bobbraan8706 Are there normally 3 AOA sensors on other aircraft? (just wondering, I'm not really familiar with this)

[@bobbraan8706]

@@josky1989 Yes. 3 sensors and 3 flight computers is common on modern, new aircraft. 737 Max only has 2 of each. The crashes wouldn't have happened if Boeing had followed safety standards where a critical safety system relies on sensors, especially ones vulnerable to bird strikes etc. Most aircraft don't fly so poorly that MCAS is needed. In that case 3 are required. 737 Max wouldn't pass certification as an all new aircraft for this and many other reasons. It's all grandfathered in. It's really a dinosaur from the 60s. "Its most advanced planes, for instance, have three flight computers that function independently, with each computer containing three different processors manufactured by different companies. So even some of the people who have worked on Boeing’s new 737 MAX airplane were baffled to learn that the company had designed an automated safety system that abandoned the principles of component redundancy, ultimately entrusting the automated decision-making to just one sensor - a type of sensor that was known to fail. Boeing’s rival, Airbus, has typically depended on three such sensors. “A single point of failure is an absolute no-no,” said one former Boeing engineer who worked on the MAX, " 3 are needed so when one fails you go with the other 2 that agree.

[@josky1989]

@@bobbraan8706 That's interesting, I never knew that. Thanks!

[@kallek5655]

@@josky1989 No. 2 AoA sensors is standard on conventional planes. B747, 757, 767, MD-11, they all have 2 as well. 3 is standard on Airbus fly-by-wire planes, but their flight control computers are far more intervening than MCAS. Boeing FBW planes (777/787) have 2 AoA sensors plus some kind of virtual backup I believe, however I'm not familiar with the details on this, but they have 2 real AoA sensors as well, not 3. Planes like the ATRs, Fokker 70/100 for example have so-called stick pushers which actively push the yoke forward in a stall situation, and they also rely on 2 AoA sensors, which hasn't been a problem so far. The 737 MAX is still a conventional plane where the yoke is mechanically connected to the control surfaces using cable and pulleys. It can't be compared to the flight control computer system of the Airbus planes, hence saying that the MAX needs 3 AoA sensors just because Airbus planes do, isn't a fair comparison.

[@marylynngallant5168]

Those views over the Rockies! Beautifully filmed👍🏻

[@ej5936]

Great video super clear and awesome content, thanks for sharing. GO BOEING 737

[@ThePowerofJames]

You sir are the man. Very impressive and love the support for a Canadian icon!

[@marriedGary]

I’d jump on the MAX tomorrow if I could. I was supposed to fly on it two years ago with Southwest but the flight got changed due to weather so I missed out.