Boeing 737! MAX is BACK! Re-certification and understanding MCAS! Explained by CAPTAIN JOE

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Dear friends and followers, welcome back to my channel!
In today's video we'll be looking at the famous Boeing 737 MAX. What caused the grounding of this plane? What did Boeing do to get her certified? I'll give you a better understanding of the MCAS system. The easiest explanation on how the system works by using a bicycle! I'll briefly mention the Angle of Attack vane that caused the problems with the MCAS! Is it safe to fly this beautiful airplane again?
Thank you very much for your time! I hope you enjoy this video!
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Your "Captain" Joe
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@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 3 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant video Joe, that last 90 seconds were so powerful and true, respect!
@w-peter
@w-peter 3 жыл бұрын
...... real words........ 👍👍👍
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
Love your first name buddy ;)
@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 3 жыл бұрын
@Stefan Haha awesome buddy! Yeah love some aviation content, watched Joe's stuff for many years! Hope you're loving the M2! Cheers
@wildbill7267
@wildbill7267 3 жыл бұрын
Another disaster thanks to Trump’s FAA. Hopefully now with Biden the aviation professionals will be back in charge.
@eniangekpenyong2459
@eniangekpenyong2459 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm surprised to Joe here as well... small world indeed
@iDavid4224
@iDavid4224 3 жыл бұрын
MCAS: Money Comes Above Safety
@martinstepanek8902
@martinstepanek8902 3 жыл бұрын
Well played.
@lolb1221
@lolb1221 3 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@99999bomb
@99999bomb 3 жыл бұрын
Boeing : I like money Everyone :what inspired you to create the 737 MAX Boeing : M O N E Y
@MarineGeek
@MarineGeek 3 жыл бұрын
Superb
@chaoszombie9995
@chaoszombie9995 3 жыл бұрын
quite literally.. and it makes me SICK to think about haha
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 3 жыл бұрын
I think the ending message was extremely appropriate.
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@Daniela-ys5lb
@Daniela-ys5lb 3 жыл бұрын
Agree!
@IFlyPlanes
@IFlyPlanes 3 жыл бұрын
I agree too, He spoke facts and was totally right about how greedy Boeing was for profit in this situation.
@TheDesperado46
@TheDesperado46 3 жыл бұрын
Like this vid Capt Joe, but that sounds very ‘MzeroA’ regardless of how true it is
@MalaysianAviator737-8
@MalaysianAviator737-8 3 жыл бұрын
@@flywithcaptainjoe as your subscribers and viewers, we thank you
@DolleHengst
@DolleHengst 2 ай бұрын
She's back. Now with sections blowing out mid-air!
@syihabbuddin6088
@syihabbuddin6088 Ай бұрын
the truth sometimes hurts bro
@repetun5553
@repetun5553 3 жыл бұрын
Rest in Peace to these almost 350 lost souls and my condolences to their family members, friends and loved ones!
@North_West
@North_West 2 жыл бұрын
Only about making profit.
@davidk7544
@davidk7544 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody is resting.
@AnimMouse
@AnimMouse 2 жыл бұрын
@@North_West Check out Boeing's profit after those crashes.
@North_West
@North_West 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnimMouse They didn't inform the pilots after test Flying and they installing the System. That why its only about making profit dumbass.
@casanford1
@casanford1 2 жыл бұрын
It's scary to think that the future of corporate America will only be held accountable to the amount of fatalities it takes for them to reach their next milestone. Keep loading those congressional pockets.
@Evil_Knievel
@Evil_Knievel 3 жыл бұрын
I was flying with American Airlines from Frankfurt to the US in December 2019, or let's say, I was supposed to. Thankfully, a conscious pilot decided to turn back to the gate as he noticed a small error. It was really not a big deal but didn't want to put his passengers in danger and turned back immediately. Even though AA had to manage to rebook all the passengers and to somehow get us to the US, plus pay for the canceled flight because of technical issues, I was very thankful that the pilot decided the way he did. No money on earth brings back dead people.. Thank you!
@stanleybuchan4610
@stanleybuchan4610 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear they have concious pilots!
@EclipseDevelopmentsInc.
@EclipseDevelopmentsInc. Жыл бұрын
Nice fly
@Evil_Knievel
@Evil_Knievel Жыл бұрын
@Mr. E.W Good question. I honestly don't remember but he didn't make a big deal out of it. Still big enough that he had to cancel the flight.
@halleffect1
@halleffect1 3 жыл бұрын
it's crazy how they could design a system that takes full control relying on a single sensor that can fail. Even the drive-by-wire accelerator pedal in your car has triple redundancy.
@MikkoRantalainen
@MikkoRantalainen 3 жыл бұрын
It was intentional because 737 already had automated stabilizer trim and the reasoning was that MCAS failure is no different from stabilizer trim failure. Both have similar endcome and both must be dealt with similar action. However, as far as I know, MCAS changes the trim faster which gives less time to pilots to figure out the problem. That was the part where Boeing was greedy and instead of requiring additional training for the pilots, the got FAA to believe that MCAS was similar enough to older system that it doesn't need any extra training. The pilots should have been trained about MCAS failure handling as a memory item even if it has redundant sensors because once it fails, you don't have time to search for the correct procedure.
@mukamuka0
@mukamuka0 3 жыл бұрын
The reasons is to avoid pilot training. MCAS is actually uses both sensors (Left & Right) but not at the same time. It's switch sensors between each flight and only one at the time for that flight. This has been reveal from whistle blower that Boeing know if they are using both sensors at the same time. FAA will required them to do additional pilot training in the simulator. This because by using both sensors, it will indicated that system is safety critical and pilot needs to be train on how to react if the system fail. Boeing deliberately designed MCAS to use one sensor, so they could claim that Max plane could save Airline money because it doesn't required pilot training.
@MikkoRantalainen
@MikkoRantalainen 3 жыл бұрын
@@mukamuka0 Wow! I didn't know that pilot training is *required* if a feature is redundant. That explains the full MCAS failure!
@abcddef2112
@abcddef2112 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly it is still a bad design, its a software fixing a hardware bug. What is actually the solution for the mcas so the plane can be recertified?
@chouseification
@chouseification 3 жыл бұрын
@@MikkoRantalainen people keep saying "Boeing was greedy" but completely forget that it is the _airlines_ who have to pay to train pilots and who obviously coerced Boeing into cutting corners, and they had FAA help in that regard. Trying to blame Boeing but failing to see the big picture is tragic. It was the airlines who started this whole fiasco, by being too cheap to train their pilots - so they forced the manufacturer to issue an obviously different plane under the same type certificate, so said training could be avoided.
@PavanDadlani.MD.
@PavanDadlani.MD. 2 жыл бұрын
Never rush when dealing with another persons life
@MA-iridium
@MA-iridium 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always.. Captain Joe God bless you and keep you safe wherever you are...and thank you for the class again!!!
@typehyuga607
@typehyuga607 2 жыл бұрын
Go tell that to soldiers during war😂😂
@nauticalnavigator3688
@nauticalnavigator3688 3 жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to all the families affected by the max crashes. Cant imagine the horror the pilots and passengers endured while the aircraft were diving toward the ground.
@whoever6458
@whoever6458 3 жыл бұрын
Measure twice; cut once and never take shortcuts when it comes to safety, particularly when you also have other people's lives in your hands.
@GenjiShimada.
@GenjiShimada. 3 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there lol
@shakiMiki
@shakiMiki 3 жыл бұрын
The problem it has often been said goes back to the Boeing/McDonnell Douglas merger. An engineer lead company, Boeing, was reverse taken over by a suit lead culture MD. An expensive false economy ensued. .
@adewouters
@adewouters 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think people or management teams in general knowingly took shortcuts on safety, for the sake of saving a few bucks on each flight, but unfortunately they also didn't know/understand/realize what were the consequences on safety of some decisions they took. The intention behind the MCAS was good I believe, but did they (want to) realize the side effects ? Perfection doesn't exist. The only way is to test, test, test and test again, in all kind of apparently stupid and meaningless situations. This takes time, a lot of time. And Joe is 100% right: don't rush, take all the time needed.
@Tarrasq-Eredar
@Tarrasq-Eredar 3 жыл бұрын
@@adewouters and they choose not to take the time.
@stewartgrant9832
@stewartgrant9832 3 жыл бұрын
They'll lose another for technical reasons soon enough.
@code-dredd
@code-dredd 3 жыл бұрын
The sad part is that the managers that were responsible for the bad decisions and culminated in all of this will not be held liable themselves - no one's going to prison.
@websurfin9575
@websurfin9575 3 жыл бұрын
Just like the CRIMINALS who run Washington DC!
@myusername3689
@myusername3689 3 жыл бұрын
@@websurfin9575 The world is corrupted and that’s probably never gonna change.
@LeolaGlamour
@LeolaGlamour 3 жыл бұрын
Should airbus go to prison for the air France crash?
@code-dredd
@code-dredd 3 жыл бұрын
@@LeolaGlamour Clearly, the company cannot go to prison. However, companies are run by people, and the people involved should be held liable, depending on the details of the case. For example, if managerial decisions to save a buck result in loss of life, then why shouldn't the people who put money above customer safety be held liable?
@LeolaGlamour
@LeolaGlamour 3 жыл бұрын
@@code-dredd So again should the managers of any plane company in the history of ever go to jail?
@persona2grata
@persona2grata 2 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that investigators discovered on the voice cockpit recording that the Ethiopian Air crew had seen the alert released after the Lion Air crash and correctly determined that their problem was being caused by MCAS, but that by the time they switched off MCAS they were simply heading down with too much velocity to pull out in time, which somehow feels doubly tragic. They were doing everything right, they just didn't have enough time to save themselves.
@samtobio3045
@samtobio3045 2 жыл бұрын
One of the documentaries said that Ethiopian pilots deactivated MCAS and they were in such a hard dive, that they could not manually adjust the trim. They turned the switches back on in the hopes it would trim up. Such a shame.
@leulmamuye5437
@leulmamuye5437 Жыл бұрын
If you have seen the full documentary its also stated there if pilots didnt act in 10 seconds there is no going back. This 10 second was not mentioned prior to the ethiopian accident, they were just told deactivating will able them to take control back, no time limit was mentioned. Plus boeing was against the need of pilots simulation training towards max, despite the fact that the max has major system upgrade which can lead to fatal accident if action is not taken in less than 10sec( which they are expected to do without enough understading of the system)... the shame is on boeing! making them fly blindfolded
@chrishuntley8369
@chrishuntley8369 3 жыл бұрын
My father flew the 727 for years and retired on that airframe in 1990. We had a reverence for Boeing. “If it’s not Boeing, we’re not going” was a saying and testament to the trust we put in the safety culture of Boeing. Since the relocation of Boeing headquarters from Seattle to Chicago in the mid 1990’s there has been a titanic shift in the focus of the company. It’s telling when a company moves its HQ from its center of R&D, design, engineering, production, and “ancestral home” to a financial center.
@drgLACity
@drgLACity 3 жыл бұрын
I think it was the merger with McDonnell- Douglas where business executives somehow know more than the engineers.
@drgLACity
@drgLACity 3 жыл бұрын
737 MAX and 787, the first planes built by business executives and not by airplane engineers. They should be held accountable. Safety cultures and excellence starts at the top. Chasing after short term profits clearly backfired.
@bryantcooke8357
@bryantcooke8357 3 жыл бұрын
Now the new slogan is Airbus or Bust.
@drgLACity
@drgLACity 3 жыл бұрын
Now: “if it’s Boeing, we ain’t going”
@bryantcooke8357
@bryantcooke8357 3 жыл бұрын
@@drgLACity Airbus or Bust
@rdc2724
@rdc2724 3 жыл бұрын
The bicycle was a very good example, which I found out the hard way! when I was young I delivered newspapers with my bicycle. The first time my bike was fully loaded with a lot of newspapers on the back I was so stupid to try a wheelie. I flipped over backwards and the whole street was littered with newspapers!
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I have image in my head!
@rdc2724
@rdc2724 3 жыл бұрын
@@flywithcaptainjoe It was just as bad as you think ;-)
@Markus-zb5zd
@Markus-zb5zd 3 жыл бұрын
F
@TheRip72
@TheRip72 3 жыл бұрын
I did that the first time I got a mountain bike with a ridiculously low bottom gear. It must have looked ridiculous but happily there was nobody there to see it.
@foofighter7683
@foofighter7683 3 жыл бұрын
The bike should have been grounded
@HABITZER
@HABITZER 3 жыл бұрын
I was Boeing AOG mechanic for over 10 years and left in 2016 because I saw all this coming! I went from loving where I worked to hating my job! Hopefully they fix it.
@HABITZER
@HABITZER 3 жыл бұрын
Boeing is full of a bunch of highly skilled people, but I think all of they're top brass should have been fired for this!
@MA-iridium
@MA-iridium 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always,God bless you and keep you safe wherever you are Captain Joe...and thank you for the class again!
@dhairyashah7268
@dhairyashah7268 3 жыл бұрын
Captain Joe explains each and every details so perfectly that he should be teaching in the world's best Aviation University! Keep it up!!
@LaborchefDrKlenk-gb8rv
@LaborchefDrKlenk-gb8rv 3 жыл бұрын
Don't want to say he isn't, but there are a few mistakes in this video.
@Keen000
@Keen000 2 жыл бұрын
I was ready to fly for the first time before this happened, I have severe fearof flight, and the time i finally said "im going to do this" all this news came out and was just another nail into the coffin for me on not every wanting to fly. Finding out about the possible corner cuttings, the lack of communication to pilots, etc. grounded me for another year or so. I finally took my first flight last week in an a-320 and i must say it was nice, i did feel safe, while i did over think every little sound and bump i made it. I hope to keep doing this as there is alot of places and people i would like to meet, and i hope this is a learning experience for the companies that you can only stay the safest form of travel by not cutting corners.
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 Жыл бұрын
Blue sky's and happy landings, glad you have your wings! 😁
@Rohitgavai46
@Rohitgavai46 2 жыл бұрын
Simplifying flying for simpletons like myself. Thanks captain Joe
@RCShufty
@RCShufty 3 жыл бұрын
What happens when you let accountants run a company instead of the engineers.
@HuckThis1971
@HuckThis1971 3 жыл бұрын
Not just accountants. Shareholders. Quick money on the cheap! 😉 They all 🤞🤞
@MossPalone
@MossPalone 3 жыл бұрын
If you let engineers to run it, they wont make any money. You idiot
@RealRunner7
@RealRunner7 3 жыл бұрын
James McNerney was not an accountant (he was a Harvard MBA).
@uwekonnigsstaddt524
@uwekonnigsstaddt524 3 жыл бұрын
Bean counters strike again!!!
@mariuskoen1
@mariuskoen1 3 жыл бұрын
@Steven Strain what happened was that the CEO needs to keep board and shareholders happy and their only concern is what colour their next Mercedes Benz S class will be.
@asajoseph6933
@asajoseph6933 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone like this so he do a video on this. "What do pilots do in the cockpit while cruising on long haul flights" Please answer this Captain Joe.
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
I'll make a video about it then
@AlphaTrapGlitch_4569
@AlphaTrapGlitch_4569 3 жыл бұрын
@@flywithcaptainjoe YEEESS
@jan-lukas
@jan-lukas 3 жыл бұрын
While cruising, pilots need to monitor all systems, fuel burn etc.
@DeepanjanThakur
@DeepanjanThakur 3 жыл бұрын
When they get bored, they shake it a little. " Ladies and Gentlemen, we're having some turbulence"
@MissesWitch
@MissesWitch 3 жыл бұрын
I have always wondered that actually!
@CaptEngrWil
@CaptEngrWil 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Captain Joe for letting me understand easily how the MCAS works, its problems, and the how the 737 MAX became problematic since its service. Kudos to your channel 👍
@nsaikat19
@nsaikat19 2 жыл бұрын
Joe I'm a new subscriber to your channel.im a aviation enthusiast and have been following various channels ,links for a long time now. I must say that I'm very very impressed with the way you justify on the topic of discussion .From the time LION AIR max8 crashed I had anxiety .now that's sorted after a clear understanding of MCAS. Thanks for your subtle explanation and do come up with more informative videos in the future . Really appreciate your work!!
@stever4899
@stever4899 3 жыл бұрын
An important detail left out, there are two alpha (angle of attack) vanes on the 737 MAX, but originally MCAS was designed to operate off of only one of them. As an IT engineer I was livid to learn that supposed professionals at Boeing would create a safety critical system with such a glaring single point of failure.
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun 3 жыл бұрын
I still think there should be three AoA vanes on a Max. The A320 has 3 AoA vanes so that if one is faulty and gives a bad reading, the computers on board can isolate it as faulty due to the readings of the other two.
@stever4899
@stever4899 3 жыл бұрын
@@cjmillsnun That's even better.
@sparrowlt
@sparrowlt 3 жыл бұрын
@@cjmillsnun and even so in an Airbus even if the AoA fails and it pitches down you just switch off 2 FACs and it reverts to alternate law or even down to direct law where pilot has control and alfa protections are disabled (it happent a few times allready).. considering how much pride Boeing marketing put in pointing out that the Boeings were all "pilot planes" where the pilot is who is in command and not "some computer" one would expect the MAX to be easily riden or any asistance on a switch or something...
@Thyme2sea
@Thyme2sea 3 жыл бұрын
@@stever4899 the programming was outsourced to people not familiar with the way of thinking in the aviation industry (low labor costs).
@shoersa
@shoersa 3 жыл бұрын
@@sparrowlt Bingo! You got it! Bigger question is why the FAA does not get it (ONE switch to disable ALL the automation).
@jensmith1990
@jensmith1990 3 жыл бұрын
One would argue that she is more widely known to be ‘infamous’ rather than ‘famous’...!
@bungiesnowflake
@bungiesnowflake 3 жыл бұрын
wouldn't call that an argument, I'd call that a fact.
@thegoodlife5852
@thegoodlife5852 2 жыл бұрын
This has eased my concerns about flying the MAX, Thankyou
@repetun5553
@repetun5553 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Joe for this video and thank you for your words at 13:04. This needs to be heard by everyone who works in the aviation industry, no matter whether they're pilots, engineers, ATCs, FAA workers or CEOs!
@sapede
@sapede 3 жыл бұрын
neo = No Engineering Oopsies
@finleydoherty9811
@finleydoherty9811 3 жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering it’s new engine option but no engineering oopsies makes more sense to annoy Boeing
@iexist3153
@iexist3153 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I love it N: New E: Engine O: Option But N: No E: Engineering O: Oopsies Sounds more reasonable
@crimsonsnow2469
@crimsonsnow2469 3 жыл бұрын
No engine Option lol, im just joking. I love Airbus
@manuelcervinobaston4076
@manuelcervinobaston4076 3 жыл бұрын
NEO stands for new engine opción
@sideyoke1476
@sideyoke1476 3 жыл бұрын
If you don't know, NEO also had some engineering oopsies
@jpdutoit6277
@jpdutoit6277 3 жыл бұрын
I started with my PPL training this week. You are one of the reasons I wanted to pursue a career as a pilot. Thank you Joe🔥
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy to hear that! Enjoy your training!
@jpdutoit6277
@jpdutoit6277 3 жыл бұрын
@@flywithcaptainjoe Thank you Joe! 💙
@kimberlywarren7422
@kimberlywarren7422 Жыл бұрын
I just flew on a Max and I think I was nervous the entire flight. That said, it was the smoothest airplane I have ever been on.
@davidk3729
@davidk3729 3 жыл бұрын
I’d fly on it. (I’m eighty). The problems started when the bean counters in the boardroom took precedence over engineers.
@billysgeo
@billysgeo 2 жыл бұрын
When (if) I get to 80 y.o. I’ll fly on a kite with a broken string. Who gives a fuck
@modelllichtsysteme
@modelllichtsysteme 3 жыл бұрын
14:22 Best decision Captain Joe!
@todortodorov940
@todortodorov940 3 жыл бұрын
I respect his decision, but I do not fully understand the argument behind it. Respect to what/whom? Or does he mean to speculate on crashes before the official (NTSB or other bureau) reports?
@JxH
@JxH 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen people make the very strange claim that discussion boards discussing an air accident might somehow "distract" the official investigation. Utter nonsense of course. In the case of the 737 Max discussions, one forum appeared to include an employee of Boeing or a subcontractor (speculation alert) that was an active party to the discussions and they were making outlandish excuses for Boeing, and were actively concocting reasons for blaming the pilots. His claims were strongly refuted. It's fair game that a prominent KZbin channel (1.4M subscribers here) might wish to avoid controversy, and avoid getting ahead of the official investigation. That's fair and perfectly reasonable.
@antonik2674
@antonik2674 3 жыл бұрын
you can tell joe puts a lot of time and effort into these videos. Much respect, and keep up the good work!
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for appreciating that!
@eaglen00b
@eaglen00b 3 жыл бұрын
Most definitely. When Captain Joe does finally retire from flying, he'd make a great aviation consultant.
@sauravmitra687
@sauravmitra687 2 жыл бұрын
I like this man's tone and composure. Nicely explained.
@sybedijkema8577
@sybedijkema8577 3 жыл бұрын
NEO stands for New Engine Option.
@mpx4821
@mpx4821 2 жыл бұрын
Correct, and it's a very clever name, since Neo also mean New/Revised in Latin.
@RyanBell-me5hc
@RyanBell-me5hc 3 жыл бұрын
That plane still scares the hell out of me
@steffiesing5449
@steffiesing5449 3 жыл бұрын
i'm more scared of stepping in a 40 year old jumbo that's been flyin ever since.
@Upemm
@Upemm 3 жыл бұрын
@@steffiesing5449 and still hasn’t crashed....
@royhsieh4307
@royhsieh4307 2 жыл бұрын
it should
@ABC-rb5uf
@ABC-rb5uf 2 жыл бұрын
I travel the globe abit and honestly am still terrified of flying (unless drunk/drugged). Here's how I look at it. The A320 didn't have a great start either (Air France Flight 296). It literally "landed" itself in a wooded forest at the Paris airshow. Airbus blamed the pilot and did everything to stop people looking into their design flaw. The 737 Max is a somewhat similar story. Moving forward to 2021, the 737 Max is the most scrutinised aircraft in the history of aviation. MCAS was only the first issue (other issue arose and then many more for each alteration). I would have to say that if the head of the FAA is happy to stick his kids on it, then the problem is no longer with the plane. Keep in mind the flight before the Lion Air crash, MCAS did kick in and they took the appropriate steps and continued with the flight. The crew of the crashed plane failed to comprehend the power of MCAS on trim and it was until the aircraft was handed to the first office (who didn't put enough input to overpower the system) that the plane crashed. All planes have issues and like planes, airlines also have issue (training etc). I would rather travel on a 737 Max over any other plane (short-haul), minus 737NG (which are just amazing planes. Just keep in mind the amount of time spent to make sure this would never happen again. Happy flying
@ABC-rb5uf
@ABC-rb5uf 2 жыл бұрын
@@steffiesing5449 Amen. My last flight was a Fokker 100 where I was in the emergency exit row. I didn't know the slides (blinds) do not go down in that row. Anyways we ended mid flight with the entire plastic panel on-top of me. The flight attendant said it happens all the time. Let's just say no more Fokkers for me
@kazimbyeabel634
@kazimbyeabel634 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this clear elaboration about the MCAS. I now understand the reasons behind the two tragedies of MAX 8
@dwjlnti
@dwjlnti 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I was wondering where I could see the full video to turn off the MCAS/in your video about the stab trim switches. Also, what is the stab trim swithes function? Is it only for turning off the MCAS or in different case if we didn't know that there was MCAS that autopilot the plane, could we executed to switch the stab trim when we have the nose up or nose down? Thank you.
@Tamburahk
@Tamburahk 3 жыл бұрын
I am glad, that company I am working for as AMT is pushing policy of "take your time when you are doing your job, safety first" I am really glad for that
@AnimMouse
@AnimMouse 3 жыл бұрын
10:38 When you realize that you know more about MCAS than most pilots do.
@kenmore01
@kenmore01 3 жыл бұрын
Did
@ringofthebrave
@ringofthebrave 3 жыл бұрын
If you use them too late it is too late and you won't be able to trim back. 737 should be flown with a crew of 3 people as this AC definitely needs a flight engineer on board to handle all the nasty little engineering oopsies.
@siletamus2016
@siletamus2016 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Captain Joe. I enjoy your videos because you're always articulate and very informative in basic terminology for us mere mortals
@TiagrajI
@TiagrajI Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Well explained and concise. I appreciate you mentioned souls lost in the accidents and not passengers. It's respectful and considerate.
@vferdman
@vferdman 3 жыл бұрын
You neglected to mention that in the environment where everything is redundant, the MCAS only relied on the single AOA sensor, even though the plane has 2 onboard. It would be interesting to hear the analysis of this. Thank you for the great content.
@ml9849
@ml9849 3 жыл бұрын
It would switch every flight to the other AOA so it would only crash every other flight unless both failed.
@sanbruno3606
@sanbruno3606 3 жыл бұрын
PROSPERITY BONANZA HONESTY
@benjaminschwartz7616
@benjaminschwartz7616 3 жыл бұрын
Truly terrible systems engineering. Lack of redundancy, automatic system which continually overrides pilot input, and an airplane with challenging handling characteristics in the first place. Boeing should've started with a clean-sheet instead of forcing engines that don't fit.
@Hamachingo
@Hamachingo 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminschwartz7616 Making the AoA sensor disagree warning an extra option the airlines could order was a big red flag for me.
@lzh4950
@lzh4950 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminschwartz7616 I heard Boeing didn't want MCAS to use >1 sensor's data at a time as that would be legally considered a 'major' change, which mandates additional recertification, which result in additional cost & duration needed for development
@nathgamer1075
@nathgamer1075 3 жыл бұрын
Just returned from another Captain Joe video !
@966396631
@966396631 2 жыл бұрын
First rate video. Obviously a labor of love. Outstanding analogy and graphics. Thank you.
@francesca8962
@francesca8962 2 жыл бұрын
I truly appreciate this video, especially the last part. Thank you!
@axel3021
@axel3021 3 жыл бұрын
Hands-down, the most informative video that I have watched, related to the 737 MAX. That last part of the video sent shivers down my spine and I think it should be a staple of the training programs for all activities related to the aviation industry !
@reifukaiyukikaze
@reifukaiyukikaze 3 жыл бұрын
NEO: The One
@Matteo-sp3uo
@Matteo-sp3uo 3 жыл бұрын
Your profilepicture says it all
@chensich7519
@chensich7519 3 жыл бұрын
New engine option
@skm8838
@skm8838 3 жыл бұрын
@@chensich7519 Really?
@CESARCASTROJarochelo
@CESARCASTROJarochelo 2 жыл бұрын
I just flew in one without knowing until I pulled the card in front of my seat. I pulled my phone right away to google it because I got pale and needed to know when the 800 MAX started flying. Well, it was a pleasant flight, quiet, a lot of space because I was on an emergency exit (that kept me calm somehow) and I would love to just keep flying on this one and the Dreamliner 😂. Great video capi
@Bluz1
@Bluz1 3 жыл бұрын
Not many pilots would dare to say what Joe said about Boeing at the end of the video, especially not if they fly an aircraft made by Boeing. Only that part itself deserves a sub, even though the whole video is superb.
@rizwanwasi7019
@rizwanwasi7019 3 жыл бұрын
"Corporate Greed" is the key word here. I want to see Mullenburg the CEO in Jail.
@pavelfernandezdotnet
@pavelfernandezdotnet 3 жыл бұрын
death penalty!
@benghazi4216
@benghazi4216 3 жыл бұрын
@@pavelfernandezdotnet Exactly. When can a regular human kill 300 people and not get the death penalty?
@allgrainbrewer10
@allgrainbrewer10 3 жыл бұрын
@@benghazi4216 ask Cuomo
@rizwanwasi7019
@rizwanwasi7019 3 жыл бұрын
On the contrary He was given very high severance package by Boeing when he resigned. Until the last moment he was insisting that max is a safe plane. He was the guy who was behind many wrong doings in Boeing.
@benghazi4216
@benghazi4216 3 жыл бұрын
@@allgrainbrewer10 Yes his capitalist tendencies has destroyed the health care system in New York, and thus more died. But have you asked Trump btw?
@kindervelt2005
@kindervelt2005 3 жыл бұрын
Boeing got greedy and got a well-deserved smackdown.
@joedoe8931
@joedoe8931 3 жыл бұрын
Well Boeing is not a person but gets rights of a person. But executives working for Boeing and owning lots of stock of Boeing deserve convictions for all the crimes they committed including mass murder. Boeing as a corporation has executives that are very rich in money but poor in character and back bone and not very smart even . These people live off the charity of a massive corporation they have control over. They use this control to steal from everyone the corporation touches from workers to customers to government agents that are suppose to regulate the product they produce. They get to act as there own dictatorship and then sit back and claim they are just being good businessmen(businesswoman). BULL SHIT.
@Kaboomchicken
@Kaboomchicken 3 жыл бұрын
No the FAA was dumb
@jb894
@jb894 3 жыл бұрын
Lion Air had shocking training. It was 95% their fault.
@JM-gd5rl
@JM-gd5rl 2 жыл бұрын
Not enough apparently. They continue their behaviors.
@jb894
@jb894 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardpluim4426 737 max is the goat plane
@edtad9549
@edtad9549 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video Captain! Especially the last part of the video hit home.
@miltonjunior5173
@miltonjunior5173 2 жыл бұрын
Hello cap! Although I’m not a pilot, just an enthusiast, I really enjoy your videos. Congrats! Regards from Brazil.
@AmmarAlZeibak
@AmmarAlZeibak 3 жыл бұрын
The last part of the video was just pure gold.
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ammar! Means a lot!
@AmmarAlZeibak
@AmmarAlZeibak 3 жыл бұрын
@@flywithcaptainjoe The pleasure is mine.
@insu_na
@insu_na 3 жыл бұрын
Love the SloMo Guys slow motion effect to underscore your serious talking points :)
@michielburgering6988
@michielburgering6988 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this chrystal clear explanation! Did Boeing react to this video? I guess they are not too pleased with aviation professionals like yourself expressing their thoughts about cutting corners.... please keep up the good work!
@Chakirisan
@Chakirisan 2 жыл бұрын
Thinking it would have been so much easier to increase the landing gear height but I know that would have involved major manufacturing changes and probably re certification. Still it seems like it would have been worth in in hindsight considering the ongoing damage to Boeings reputation and loss of revenues. Great video Joe, glad I found your channel.
@paulrowland6011
@paulrowland6011 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I didn’t hear you mention, which mystifies me, is why Boeing designed MCAS to take data from only one AOA vane. Everything else on the aircraft has one or more redundancy. Neither of these crashes would have happened.
@cr10001
@cr10001 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen a suggestion that working MCAS off two vanes would somehow have highlighted it as a safety-critical system which would then have invoked heavier certification & training requirements. By just driving it off one vane they could pretend it was just an unimportant adjustment that nobody needed to worry about. (But I agree, just driving a system that had the potential to cause a crash, off a single sensor - and these things have a known failure rate - is just bananas).
@skyhawk551
@skyhawk551 7 ай бұрын
Yes, if it had 2 inputs, it would have required recertification of the pilots to fly it. To save money and encourage the airlines to buy the Boeing plane over the Airbus it was competing with.
@gustavokennedy213
@gustavokennedy213 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that Capitan joe. It’s a shame people lost there lives to greed.
@ericbanner7630
@ericbanner7630 3 жыл бұрын
They were murdered.
@digitalgamingctcc4110
@digitalgamingctcc4110 3 жыл бұрын
@@ericbanner7630 manwomanslaughter
@midzify621
@midzify621 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericbanner7630 by 737 max
@melodychest9020
@melodychest9020 Жыл бұрын
It is a sport between Boeing and Airbus and clearly Boeing rested on its laurels, then panicked and fast tracked into disaster! Great video with animations and some pearls of wisdom!
@captainahmedthani2370
@captainahmedthani2370 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Captain Joe! Such a valuable information!
@eigentlichnett8063
@eigentlichnett8063 3 жыл бұрын
For all Germans here, I can recommend you a documentary from WDR about Boeing. It is called „Boeings tödliches System“. Very interesting!
@pauls414
@pauls414 3 жыл бұрын
Werde ich mir anschauen
@dietermuller6356
@dietermuller6356 3 жыл бұрын
Danke dir!
@sheevone4359
@sheevone4359 3 жыл бұрын
@Steven Strain I wish more English native speakers would say that 👍🏼
@Bob31415
@Bob31415 3 жыл бұрын
@Steven Strain I'm a native English speaker who has learned German. I recommend it. Wenn man Deutsch kann, dann wird man viele interessante Sachen lesen koennen. Deutsch ist ja eine wichtige Sprache. Sie klingt mir auch angenehm.🙂.
@abitofeverything7892
@abitofeverything7892 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this brilliant video Captain Joe. I was really mad at Boeing for such a negligent act when I actually found out what happened after the 2 737Max air crashes.
@JohnDoe-yj5ng
@JohnDoe-yj5ng 2 ай бұрын
Yep, It's grounded again! This time for a plug door that doesn't want to stay closed.
@_autom
@_autom 6 ай бұрын
Stumbled upon your video re pets on board. Cody's woof sealed it for me lol. This one on the MCAS is insightful and informative. Also appreciate your perspective on air travel and safety. Great videos! Look forward to bingewatching
@RaivoltG
@RaivoltG 3 жыл бұрын
You are so good at explaining how things work, why they're there and what they do! I wish you all of a sudden released 100 new videos so I could binge watch them! I can't wait for new video's, I also re-watch your video's all the time! Great channel, great job! Thank you!!
@PilotStudd
@PilotStudd 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Joe! Greatly in-depth as always, a true inspiration to any aspiring aviator!
@JUSTENization
@JUSTENization 2 жыл бұрын
I’m an aerospace design engineer for 30 years on mainly engine build-up, what he ended saying at 14:10 is absolutely true.
@willemh.2924
@willemh.2924 Жыл бұрын
Best captain joe video yet
@pasifikadeso685
@pasifikadeso685 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, the best I've found, THANK YOU!
@thomasbolam8671
@thomasbolam8671 3 жыл бұрын
Captain Joe's videos are the BEST!!
@sara98418
@sara98418 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe! Love from Italy 🇮🇹🇮🇹
@altebo
@altebo 3 жыл бұрын
Laminar flow is not required for a wing to generate lift. For safe flight, the wing does need a sufficient pressure gradient. A stall is not a loss of laminor flow, but an adverse pressure gradient, causing a backflow & exponential reduction of lift. Even a stalled aircraft does not drop straight down, but it does create a situation where the lift generated during a stall is unable to counter the weight of the aircraft. It also means that any control device affected by the adverse pressure gradient (for instance the ailerons on the wing) will experience a drastic reduction in control authority. This post is intended as constructive criticism & is in no part intended to undemine the otherwise excellent work done on this channel. cheers!
@AmbientMorality
@AmbientMorality 3 жыл бұрын
just a note that an adverse pressure gradient has to exist over part of the upper surface of a wing - a stall occurs when flow separates because that adverse pressure gradient is too large
@Ola99ization
@Ola99ization 3 ай бұрын
I have been worried to death all day after finding out about previous 737 MAX crashes (by accident) whilst trying to watch videos about my soon plane journey on this aircraft. I have a very big phobia of flying but a huge interest in aviation (weirdly enough). Your video has helped me so much, so thank you for uploading.
@acplays9223
@acplays9223 3 жыл бұрын
WOW, the last seconds of the video made me feel in a world I want to be in.
@fredgarvin1952
@fredgarvin1952 3 жыл бұрын
I as a cyclist would say, "I'm not riding that bike with all those stones on the luggage rack. Especially with these powerful legs I have. It's totally unsafe."
@marshalllucky
@marshalllucky 3 жыл бұрын
wot u talk`n`bout willis?
@jahbern
@jahbern 3 жыл бұрын
That makes sense if you understand the aerodynamics (in the case of a plane). It’s basic physics. But it seems like pilots weren’t trained in the physics of this particular change. Did they not know about the change in engine placement - or more importantly what that would do to the center of gravity? And even worse, some pilots didn’t even know there WAS an MCAS - so why would the suspect something would be different with the cog?. My daughter is applying for university aviation programs and they spend quite a bit of time on physics and aerodynamics. College level classes. But what if you don’t obtain your commercial training at a university? Do those pilots receive the same training in physics and aerodynamics? I honestly don’t know. The pilots in those smaller, less wealthy countries may not have had the same training. It’s an interesting question I’d never considered before. Thanks for the insight!
@KTzu213
@KTzu213 3 жыл бұрын
@@jahbern Boeing did not tell the pilots about the new MCAS. It was Boeing's job to inform about new software or procedures.
@alfonso8155
@alfonso8155 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! !! Best example! I will never fly that thing. I prefer to try a Red Bull just for respecting people who died because a financial decision. The 737-max licence should be revocated but again they will take a wrong financial decision.
@noahway13
@noahway13 2 жыл бұрын
It was just a chalkboard example.
@javierperezdauden7812
@javierperezdauden7812 Жыл бұрын
Love this video. That is a good prepareness for my pilot interview for Ryanair.
@NextGenSIEMTalks
@NextGenSIEMTalks Жыл бұрын
You are a great person and professional, Captain Joe! Thanks for this video.
@AviationMaster
@AviationMaster 3 жыл бұрын
I’d fly it specially if Captain Joe was my captain :))
@jasojas3446
@jasojas3446 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t agree more... 😀
@GeordieBoy69
@GeordieBoy69 3 жыл бұрын
He isnt a captain, he's first officer.
@binzy9659
@binzy9659 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Capt Joe... Just want to say another great vid, always makes my Thursday. I just finished my school work, and I’m greeted with ur vid. Literally the best feeling in the world. Keep it up buddy!! 😁😉😉
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
Your comment keeps me working hard on future videos ;)
@snowkatyoutube1419
@snowkatyoutube1419 3 жыл бұрын
@@flywithcaptainjoe joe mama
@warungmaduracakmus
@warungmaduracakmus 4 ай бұрын
14:29 yes capt, u are famous for a long time as an educator. I think that's your unique point. For reviewing air incidents, let Petter (Mentour) do it. It's also why he become more famous. U two have your own specialty in KZbin...
@pradipupreti7392
@pradipupreti7392 Жыл бұрын
Excellant video; helpful to clear the remaining dark in my mind about theMCAS system and max 737 facts. Thanks Joe
@newliferaises
@newliferaises 3 жыл бұрын
Informative video Captain . I'm always learning even though I'm not a Pilot. I love to listen to you.
@stockerXRX
@stockerXRX 3 жыл бұрын
one of the people onboard ET302 was a doctor here in my city may she rest in peace
@lilianneterrelachesys273
@lilianneterrelachesys273 3 жыл бұрын
:(
@007gurubengalooru
@007gurubengalooru 3 жыл бұрын
Boeing will be LET OFF with a Small amount of Fine .....called "Peanuts" with the help of The GREAT CORPORATE ATTORNEYS!!! SHAME ON YOU BOEING GUYS !!!
@sdaniels7114
@sdaniels7114 2 жыл бұрын
Did the trim wheels move when the MCAS activated? I ask because I can't visualize a qualified airline flight crew just watching the trim wheels roll to full nose down trim without grabbing one of them or stuffing the flight manual into its works or use any one of several other ways to stop the electric trim altogether. FWIW runaway trim has been a known and checklisted emergency since prolly a day or two after the first airplane with electric trim was put in service and I'm not seeing a difference between an MCAS induced emergency and a runaway trim emergency.
@kallek5655
@kallek5655 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they moved. And at least in the case of Lion Air, the captain noticed, as he stopped MCAS and retrimmed the aircraft manually using the electric trim. Why he never switched it off compeltely, good question. Also it was after handing over the controls to the F/O that control was lost, as the F/O didn't really counter the mcas trim, thus allowing mcas to mistrim the aircraft more and more. What the captain was looking at in that moment, good question.
@garyhuntsr71698
@garyhuntsr71698 9 ай бұрын
Respect and love thank you so much
@mohammadfarkhondeh3010
@mohammadfarkhondeh3010 3 жыл бұрын
You said it right sir... Corporate greed which resulted in loss of so many innocent souls😢😢
@superskullmaster
@superskullmaster 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, including the greedy cell phone companies that made the phone your probably holding. Several hundred Chinese workers have killed them selves over the past 15 year while working for these phone manufacturing companies that Apple contracts work too. Gonna throw your blood phone away?
@paulparker8298
@paulparker8298 3 жыл бұрын
@@superskullmaster oh shut up you deflector
@cogitoergospud1
@cogitoergospud1 3 жыл бұрын
The greed starts with passengers demanding the cheapest ticket. Plenty of “greed” to go around. To suggest some sort of “corporate greed” is just plain silly. Any business tries to balance cost and outcome, and human beings make mistakes. But to suggest a collective will to intentionally allow this fiasco to occur is superficial thinking at best. It’s a series of human errors that collectively culminated in a tragedy.
@cogitoergospud1
@cogitoergospud1 3 жыл бұрын
@@superskullmaster Silly logic. The number of suicides is statistically normal as a percent of workers employed. And you have zero idea of the other factors in these workers lives.
@christianbarnay2499
@christianbarnay2499 2 жыл бұрын
@@cogitoergospud1 The greed of Boeing went way overboard. Their objective was to stay competitive against the A320-NEO at all costs (but not their cost). And in order to save time they deliberately disregarded all safety concerns by downplaying and hiding vital information from everyone from the FAA to pilots, client companies and passengers. They are not only greedy but also huge liars pretending a piece of software that can reject and override pilot actions on the flight commands is just a minor thing not worthy of mentioning.
@gokmachine
@gokmachine 3 жыл бұрын
11:00 I've seen FAA simulations trying to correct the run away trim manually but the load on the stabilizer was just too much to get the trim wheels round by human force.
@benjaminschwartz7616
@benjaminschwartz7616 3 жыл бұрын
That's right. In fact, the Ethiopian Airlines crew followed the correct procedures but couldn't overcome the extreme forces already on the stabilizer.
@topethermohenes7658
@topethermohenes7658 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminschwartz7616 if they were higher I think it woudve been better, but they just didn't have enough time
@cigmorfil4101
@cigmorfil4101 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminschwartz7616 So they switch on the power to the jack screw motors to assist them and MCAS takes over again...
@stevegiboney4493
@stevegiboney4493 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminschwartz7616 true, but they left the power settings at takeoff power and when the nose dropped, they oversped the airplane sealing their fate.
@prop4g4nd423
@prop4g4nd423 2 жыл бұрын
So I'm confused. If turning stab trim off is the way to resolve it but the load is to much on the stabilizer then what is the resolution?
@Aviation_lad_123
@Aviation_lad_123 Жыл бұрын
Im glad she back
@binusan4201
@binusan4201 2 жыл бұрын
What exactly did the software fix ? Egypt air cut off the trim but they were unable to manually get nose up. How has this been resolved ?
@MiguelFlores-yu3ob
@MiguelFlores-yu3ob 3 жыл бұрын
Very well said ! I can see this happening where I work! “Rushing projects is a potencial risk of failure “ almost warranted! Awesome video to show to any company!
@jenellamaicabuan308
@jenellamaicabuan308 3 жыл бұрын
You should also check James Asquith KZbin video as he gave his honest review regarding the 737 max :) if it is really safe haha
@arnetympe1481
@arnetympe1481 3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for some detailed information about the actual changes/improvements that have led to recertification. Many of the infos presented here are already widely spread. But I loved the way you presented the aerodynamical disadvantages of the 737 Max…
@PauloSergioMDC
@PauloSergioMDC 3 жыл бұрын
You can find detailed information of the MAX recertification on the websites of both the FAA & EASA.
@PauloSergioMDC
@PauloSergioMDC 3 жыл бұрын
@RadhaKrishnan Nair your comment is incorrect, and you should introduce much reading of freely available information on the website of the FAA & EASA.
@clintonhsieh1911
@clintonhsieh1911 3 жыл бұрын
I love your snippet at the end, honest and true!
@anubhavdutta9557
@anubhavdutta9557 2 жыл бұрын
This video deserves a like for sure.. Thumbs Up!
@bumbr07
@bumbr07 3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this video. Thanks Joe!
@RichardAsberg
@RichardAsberg 3 жыл бұрын
Simply the best and most interesting aviation channel on KZbin 👍
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 3 жыл бұрын
Means a lot! Thanks Richard!
@snowkatyoutube1419
@snowkatyoutube1419 3 жыл бұрын
@@flywithcaptainjoe ok joe who joe Joe mama
@lallumanohar4107
@lallumanohar4107 3 жыл бұрын
Try mentour pilot too
@RichardAsberg
@RichardAsberg 3 жыл бұрын
@@lallumanohar4107 I agree that is a good channel too even when I prefer this channel
@guiduz3469
@guiduz3469 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Capt just a note about wheelies... You don't recover by pushing on the handlebars but just braking the rear wheel. Just in case you go out and try it yourself that's the safe way to do it
@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042
@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042 2 жыл бұрын
Oh so they could have stopped those accidents by using the thrust reversers! Got it. (I am kidding by the way).
@akinejat
@akinejat 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your final, professional comments on the behavior of aircraft manufacturers. You would know how important they are for me. Reliability can not be argued in any way. Thank you.
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