Alicent want justice for Aemond who loses his eye | An eye for an eye | House Of The Dragon

[@bubba7578]

"Thank you father..." Bro Rhaenyra knew EXACTLY what button to push.

[@KNDY_NTWRK]

Lol soooo petty, she could have just walked away. I'm 90% sure that's what sent Alicent over the edge 😂😂😂😂😂

[@lemonadelemon1960]

Yes. She said thank you father. Because he is her father. That’s how she addresses him. Was she supposed to say “ thanks, bro. You a real one”😅

[@truebeliever786]

@@lemonadelemon1960 Why not? After all, she did marry her father's brother, making her father her own brother in law. That's how Targaryens do. 😉

[@avishkarandika4473]

so true😂

[@Timquan.]

​@lemonadelemon1960 it's because Rheanyra knows she is getting away with multiple crimes and her father is so willing to overlook her bullshit that she can almost have Aemond tortured and Alicent executed in this very scene and all over her own lies and negligence to even cheat properly. Had Aemond or Aegon folded in the moment and admitted it was their mother Alicent would have been killed and if they said nothing or gave an insufficient answer Viserys may have allowed Aemond's torture which would have led to him telling and Alicent's death, and a president for cruel torture and execution for anyone who dare speak the truth on her children. Leaving Driftmark and the Iron Throne open to being taken by bastards and house Valerion being outright usurped by Targaryen/Strong leniage. So yes that little "thank you father" completely sent Alicent, someone who has upheld her duty at every turn and just watched as her kids saved her and themselves from a spoiled princess and their weak ass king. I'm happy Alicent cut that bitch

[@luigicavallo270]

"Viserys, your son has lost an eye!" "The fuck are you talkin' about? Rhaenyra is not a boy!"

[@thelonekaiju]

That's Right 😂

[@Oooyessbro]

LMFAO 😂

[@GabyHernandez-rv3vo]

😮😮😮😢😂😂😂😂

[@Cashina1]

🤣 🤣 He only had eyes for Rhaenyra. Alicent's children were merely necessities but Rhaenyra was born out of love 'cause after all she is the daughter of the woman Viserys truly loved

[@darthnote7380]

​@@Cashina1agreed

[@Stvsiarose]

Gods, both Olivia and Emma’s acting in this scene is incredible and Emmy worthy.

[@rachelbuckley4499]

I see a lot of Emmy nominations in this scene alone lol

[@senister14]

What about the kid? He was awasome.

[@Stvsiarose]

@@senister14 absolutely! I wish we saw more of Leo Ashton as Aemond, he was fantastic.

[@senister14]

@@Stvsiarose yep, that kid could definitely go on to do great in this business.

[@maestroclassico5801]

It's hilarious they are total buddies in real life and they are a laugh riot when they do press together. They are both EMMY worthy. We'll see what the Academy does, in GOTs, only Dinklage got Emmys.

[@valthewildling2112]

“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” Both Viserys and Rhaenyra in full copium

[@thalmoragent9344]

Facts. Viserys was a fool and a terrible father to his kids with Alicent as well. Blind man left the Realm with a recipe for disaster.

[@jjh2456]

This right here.

[@iwams1]

cry more, bot. stupid little f*ck got his eye obliterated ahahaha if it was me, that he was calling a bastard he would be dead alongside his s*ssy brother

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@iwams1 But, if you were Luke, you WOULD be a Bastard. Literally EVERYONE there knows they're Bastards, it's not a secret to anyone who's seen them. The entire Court at King's Landing knows, all of Driftmark knows... Luke is a Bastard, this is obvious. Aemond lost his eye due to getting jumped by 4 other people and one pulled a knife. Be happy he's not as murderous as Daemon because trust me, Aemond definitely could've brought Vhagar to Dragonstone and slaughter nearly all the Black's on their island over the 6 years they spent apart from each other

[@iwams1]

@@thalmoragent9344 i know they are bastards, that's not the point. They are sons of the queen and heirs of the Iron Throne. The point is this little prick should have kept his mouth shut and his ass in the keep and not go to steal a dragon that ain't his, plus he also tried to kill them all with a rock. How can you even defend the little prick is beyond me... just proves what kind of a person you are.

[@someguitardude8462]

"Exhausting, isn't it? Hiding under the cloak of your own righteousness. Now they see you as you are" MAN WHAT A GREAT LINE edit: jeez, I kicked the hornet's nest. Chill guys, I was praising the writing not Rhaenyra LMAO

[@shimmy.stuffs]

BUT now they see you....

[@Honeymoon1988]

It truly was.

[@proudatheist2042]

Rhaenyra is hiding under a cloak of righteousness, too. She was thankful that her father was willing to physically punish anyone for stating the blatantly obvious: that her three sons are not fathered by Laenor.

[@Honeymoon1988]

@@proudatheist2042 uh oh… we have a green in our midst…

[@pedreme9421]

i blast to laught with this one. " Now they see you as you are " wtf did you mean by that my girl ? a protective mother who get mad and loose her calm because her youngest son loose his eye for ever, the king complete denied toward her daughter behavior while everyone know the truthn and all this bs...honestly i understand her. If my son or my daugther loose a eye for ever, I would completely decapitate this child in front of everyone.

[@Zmal93]

I absolutely love the duality and contrast they have set up here. Rhaneyra is the princess, first born and HEIR. Her entire life should be like Alicents, a slave to duty and tradition, furthering the family line, etc. Instead, she refused all those Lords who wanted to marry her, refused to just be a woman on the sidelines, fought to be the heir, and then still flouted her duty by having premarital affairs, extramarital affairs and doing whatever she wanted. Alicent has been an obedient tool for her father and then husband her entire life. Yearning for the freedom Rhaneyra has. Alicent hates her own life and finds it unfair that she has done everything expected of her for her family while Rhaneyra gets to do whatever she wants without consequences. This was hinted at in episode 4 or 5 when they are talking and Rhaneyra says "I don't want to marry an old man, and be locked in a tower forced to birth sons until I die". It was quite obvious that line really hurt Alicent.

[@sakaya9878]

Patriarchy: pitting women against women since for ever. Alicent despises Rhaenyra for having a semblance of freedom.

[@chrisryan1501]

@sakaya987 oh please women dont need any help whatsoever from men to have a go at eachothers’ throats

[@mythos12]

This comment took the words out of my mouth. Ppl keep trying to make this a good vs evil story with their side as the hero, but that’s not how this works

[@quakethedoombringer]

@@sakaya9878 I mean as overly spiteful and bitter as Alicent is, she is not completely wrong. Like op said, from her POV, Rhaneyra basically lies to everyone, got her father fired, have 3 bastards (which is a big no no for heir at the time), sleeps around (with her uncle no less), got to choose her own husband, yet gets away with it because Viserys is too loving of a father to punish her. Meanwhile she is forced to become a teen mom to a man twice her age and the fact that her and her children's life are at risk because the question of heir is going to come up once Viserys died

[@sakaya9878]

@@quakethedoombringer she is completely wrong though. Why blame Rhaenyra for a whole ass society that oppresses both of them. Grant it Rhaenyra is more privileged and gets to be freer. Alicent’s response was bitterness and jealousy when she should have supported Rhaenyra in her claim. Instead she did to her kids what was done to her. She married her daughter to her piece of shit son. She coerced her son into usurping. When all she had to do was let Rhaenyra take her birthright.

[@shubhamkhiste6444]

“ I may hav lost an eye …But I gained the dragon” 🔥 Epitome of epicness

[@kenroycherrington148]

Aemond is .....a bada###

[@ramonserna8089]

👏👏👏👏🥲. This kid Aemon fills me with pride.

[@tanoshiofm3852]

That is one way to see it, or in his case, the only way.

[@thalmoragent9344]

Facts

[@ShinyTreecko]

The epitome of epic ness is when white beard confirmed the one piece was real right before he died

[@bitmulshawer]

Everyone is focused at the real center of this scene, I really like how Corlys and Rhaenys instantly protect Jace and Luce behind them with Rhaena and Baela.

[@armytbchaine6515]

They are my favorite part of the family

[@angel.6920]

Jace and luke are assholes...

[@rezkywisanggeni8214]

the way rhaenys hug them all. she love their grandkids

[@LadyDreamfyre]

0:15 you can see the exact moment Alicent snaps. The moment she realises that no matter what Rhaenyra does (committing high treason by passing her bastards as legitimate sons, asking for her 10 years-old brother Aemond to be tortured after he just lost an eye, etc), Viserys will *always* have her back. You can see before that Alicent is paranoid, yes, but she doesn't make moves against Rhaenyra, doesn't train Aegon to be king, nothing. Part of her still hopes. But at this precise moment, she realise it's useless. Viserys will never protect the children she carried. Worse, he even calls her Aemma even though she took care of him all these years. He doesn't care about her, doesn't care about their children. So she *snaps*. She has a public breakdown, she acts in desperation, not in anger. She's terrified, you can see it. She begs Viserys to do something, lays down everything in front of Rhaenyra, basically begging her to realise that not everyone can be as free as her. But it's useless.

[@lukebegg7114]

I would not see it as that rhanerya actually tried to be on defensive after she learned her son called her son bastards which if got out of hand can be dangerous and she has to protect her children,and plus aemond was being dick by mocking the children on their dead parents and literally tried to kill Jace with a rock,Luke only cut his eye out of defensive and fear for his brother after getting beaten,(also I actually feel sorry for all characters in house of the dragon evens alicent except Otto I blame him for all of this)

[@LadyDreamfyre]

@@lukebegg7114 He didn't try to kill Lucerys otherwise he would have immediately started to bash his head with the rock, instead he slowly lowers it. If you look at the fight, he raises the rock and looks at the others but doesn't hurt Luke. He's clearly trying to scare them off considering they've ganged up on him *four vs one* and beat him up. Even Baela and Rhaena call out for Jacaerys when he grabs his knife. They're basically telling him to stop, and that it's going too far. So no, Aemond isn't wrong for defending himself. I get that Rhaenyra's afraid for her children but a) *she* decided to have obvious bastards in a society that hates bastards so that's on her and b) kids yell insults at each other all the time, and Aemond, being 10, probably doesn't really understand how dangerous it would be for Jacaerys and Lucerys if they were officially recognised as bastards. Plus, by being so defensive of her children parentage, she's basically proving everyone right. If she had acted as if they were just insults kids throw at each others all the time, she might have protected them more efficiently. Also if Aemond is a dick for claiming Vhagar (which he isn't because dragons aren't inherited + Vhagar wouldn't have accepted Rhaena as a rider), what about Rhaenyra and Daemon banging literally three hours after Laena's funerals? That's messed up. Plus, in the end, that doesn't disprove my first point of Alicent snapping and why. Aemond didn't deserve to be maimed forever over a dragon because he had already earned Vhagar by proving himself worthy of her. Only Vhagar could set a price for claiming her, not humans.

[@LadyDreamfyre]

@@C-eo1rt If it isn't treason, why doesn't she publicly present them as her lover's son? Oh right! Because it is *still* treason. Lucerys would be stealing Baela's right to Driftmark by becoming its lord since he doesn't have a drop of Velaryon blood. Who cares that Laenor's okay with this? He's not lord of Dirftmark yet, and the others Velaryons have a right to their inheritance. Plus, in the end, that doesn't disprove my point of Alicent snapping and why. Aemond didn't deserve to be maimed forever over a dragon because he had already earned Vhagar by proving himself worthy of her. Only Vhagar could set a price for claiming her, not humans. And Rhaenyra *should* have reprimanded Jacaerys about maiming someone. That, even if it was an accident, he did something wrong.

[@LadyDreamfyre]

@@C-eo1rt Passing your bastards as true born heirs is treason. Bastards are a huge deal in Westeros, wether we like it or not. Plus, Baela and Rhaena deserve to be the Lady of Driftmark, not just a consort.

[@LadyDreamfyre]

@@C-eo1rt Hysterical twat?! Her son lost an eye, it's not far-fetched to be angry when literally nothing is done about it. Like sure, Aemond took it like a champ, but clearly, he has to because no one but his mother gives a shit about his eye! Alicent didn't have her children to steal Rhaenyra's claim to the throne, she was literally pimped by her father, forced to endure years of marital rape, and she still defended Rhaenyra to her father, husband, etc. Alicent's rage is more than justified.

[@thedoctor4327]

I love how they changed things slightly from Fire & Blood by making their friendship much closer than the book’s relationship. Makes this scene all the more tragic because of how irrevocably broken their relationship now is. IMO they’re both kind of repellent people but I sympathize with both

[@josueztheiii9089]

Thats cause the books is from 2 peoples perspectives, its actually amazing watching the true events on screen ans comparing them to the books

[@ryanorielly5617]

@@josueztheiii9089 my brother and I literally were saying that the other day haha I personally wasn’t a huge fan of F&B but I love watching how they only laid out the main plot points so that we can still get some twists/turns without expecting it

[@LightningFox7]

Well for starters Rhaenyra was 9 years old when Alicent married Viserys. Alicent was 18 years old.

[@asherujudo7383]

The change was absolute dogshit. They made Alicent and Viserys's marriage creepy when it wasn't. Made Alicent sympathetic when she wasn't. And made Viserys somehow even weaker than he was in the book.

[@durranofthetower7306]

@@asherujudo7383 Exactly. They made everyone, both the greens and blacks softer. I feel like there'd be less people on the side of the greens if Alicent was years older than her

[@naomilee3726]

The moment the separate and you see Alicent alone and Rhenera being held by her father in law is when I realized Alicent would never win because she had no support.

[@stonem0013]

Oh Aliscent has allies too

[@naomilee3726]

@@stonem0013 true but in that moment she stood alone. The one rouge action she took after following the rules her entire life. And she stood alone until her son is there to “comfort” her. While Rhenera had been doing rough shit her whole life and even the people who hated her and hadn’t stood by her before backed her in this moment

[@ElizabethsLizard]

I mean, she kind of won at one point, but it was so brief that it doesn’t really count

[@kylemma33]

@@naomilee3726 This is precisely what drives Aemond to become a great warrior. He knows his father will never protect him or his mother, so he has to step up and become a man. This is a painful realization for a child who is only 10 years old.

[@collinwatts9390]

Yet somehow it ends up being a draw in the end(basically)

[@jacklan4103]

His son just lost an eye and all he cares about is who called his grandsons' bastards.

[@IyonnaFloyd]

THANK YOU!!!

[@SayaCross]

yeah. like it or not his even poorly raised second son (who goes around screaming bastards to risk his daughters positions and grandsons' lives) is just way more 'expendable' than the heir he raised who is being hunted down by his own jealous wife and ambitious ex hand.

[@quinny98]

RIGHT??

[@warbabyx]

His son is a bitch anyway, born from Alicent. Viserys always loved his first born daughter Rhaenyra most because of her mother. I would choose my daughter, who doesnt act like an spoiled bitch then my son who acts like he is entitled to everything under the sun.

[@pg1448]

@@warbabyx The only one who acted like a spoiled bitch was Rhaenyra all her life. I would have sent her across the ocean. But yeah you are right Viserys treats his other children like garbage because they were born from the wrong woman.

[@keydraworldexplorer5389]

I love the way Corlys and Rhaenyra looked up in unison..

[@luciavelazquez371]

The way she says "Thank you Father" gets me 😂😅

[@J1283-s1k]

I think anyone would be pulling out the knife with that BS lmao

[@norodom8547]

Funny how people blame Alicent for asking for Justice in a way that would be considered fairly legitimate at the time, while ignoring that Rhaenyra asked for her own 13 yo brother to be tortured for having told the truth just before that.

[@kentinson1670]

Alicent snapping because she realizes that her own husband would side with Rhaenyra over her any day. No wonder she went ballistic. Viserys' implied threat that not even her own children with him are not safe, purely because Viserys will always take Rhaenyra's side over her and her children.

[@claytonbugeja1125]

@@kentinson1670 the fool was weak

[@jjh2456]

@@kentinson1670also this confirmed what Otto told her back in ep 5. The fact that Viserys did nothing while her son lost an eye shows that yeah, they do not care for her children.

[@teddyrosekidd]

@@kentinson1670 There shouldn't have been sides in the first place. This shit all started with Alicent being jealous and paranoid about Rhaenyra. And Alicent's extremely shitty parenting in telling 2 children about the strong boys lineage when it is that dangerous for them to be knowing that at such a young age. Rhaenyra is definitely in the wrong on a lot as well, but all of this shit started with Alicent's Jealous and Paraonoia.

[@sarahnour5561]

They both behaved like mothers. Mother bears will defend their cubs no matter the circumstances. Their actions are understandable.

[@swappy.k]

Did you guys notice the blade when Alicent attacs Rhaenyra? It was in front of the fire and no letters appeared. This was the moment when Rhaenyra realised for sure that the Prince that was promised will not be born from Alicent's bloodline. And now she knows that the throne must be hers no matter what.

[@mohammedmukadam5299]

Yes!!!

[@senister14]

Yeah, it was a stark that killed the night king.

[@Mumblejumblerrr]

What you mean by prince that was promised?

[@angrychick259]

@@senister14 Jon was Arya's blood, making her eligible to kill the night king. Besides, it never said her would kill him: it just said he would defeat them

[@senister14]

@@angrychick259 except he didn't ,the night king was immune to dragon fire.

[@bernardoraul2650]

I honestly think rhayneryas mistake was her not taking her half brothers under her wing , if I was her I would have immediately gotten close the them since they were babies , and they would later come to support me when I take the throne

[@olanlesiadegun105]

Alicent didn't want them close. Simple as that. But rhaenyra did try to let her children socialize with alicent's. Infact Jace and Luke looked up to Aegon because of his bond with sunfyre

[@eastbow6053]

@@olanlesiadegun105 Well alicent has no say in what the children would do cause that was the king's job, if his first born daughter asked him to sent her brothers to her for sibling time to strengthen their bonds and the kingdom he would have

[@rafaelah.]

@@eastbow6053 - he would have brought the kids himself to her and would enjoy seeing all his kids together, happy and as a family.

[@artofwrick]

And why would they?

[@user-fw1hj3vv2k]

If not for otto that would be possible.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

Olivia deserved an Emmy for this scene alone! It's disgusting that she and Paddy were robbed!

[@madamaonyx8844]

Gods, Olivia Cook really sold Alicent's madness! You could see her on the brink of losing her mind before she just snapped!

[@attenberg]

I don’t see madness. She’s just sick of it. She was getting used and manipulated all her life long, while powerful people escape their duties, like Rhaenyra who would never accept any limit that had been placed upon her.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@attenberg I agree, Rhaenyra has hardly ever been a good example of what a good queen should be. I'd rather Alicent rule

[@Eddy6159]

@@thalmoragent9344 then you don’t know a thing about being a good ruler. Alicent can’t even remember the names of the guards who serve her lol.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@Eddy6159 Does Rhaenyra? Do they all remember or are even told the names of the dozens of guards at the Red Keep 24/7? No, I don't think so. Alicent isn't an idiot or a blind fool like Viserys or Rhaenyra. She and the Realm sees the issue at hand and isn't gonna stay complacent about it considering she's smart to know how this ends

[@pollypow2576]

​@@thalmoragent9344 lmaooo really believes that. She would never rule. She has no right to do it. She is a puppet in her father's hands. Rahenyra did her best and i should told you which son of who is a rapist, which son of who is a parent murderer who started a war. Lmao keep cope. Alicent never was a better ruler than Rahenyra

[@cajreyes1]

I like the brief detail at 0:49 when Rhaenyra took a second to look at the knife and the flashback to it in front of the fire.

[@mohammedmukadam5299]

Bcz there prophecy didn’t reveal itself

[@cajreyes1]

@@mohammedmukadam5299 I know ..

[@alkipapa8890]

Can you explain this to me

[@cajreyes1]

@@alkipapa8890 aegon the conquerors prophecy, is written on the knife.

[@rukminibiswas4303]

@@mohammedmukadam5299 wait why didn't it happen

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Aemon: "Mom, it's alright. You don't need to take someone's eye because I have a dragon." 😎

[@ethannguyen6878]

he should be king more deserve than stupid Aegon, he's dangerous like Deamon

[@ForceInEvHorizon]

@@ethannguyen6878 his a brat like joffrey. He dont deserve to sit in the iron throne

[@analauramorelrocha2383]

Aemond

[@margarethmichelina5146]

@@ethannguyen6878 Even Aegon admitted himself that he's not worthy to be a King and even deep down he still respects his step-sister who is way worthy to the Throne. But too bad that kid will be Joffrey 2.0 in next season thanks to his stupid mom.

[@adriannazara6853]

@@margarethmichelina5146 lol I don't see how he's like Joffrey

[@DarkKnight-or1ck]

Damn! These ladies just ruled whole scene .. Love the emotion and intensity both of them bring to together .. These two ladies going carry this show rest are just side characters ..

[@wymg4480]

Viserys literally carried the latest episode and when the Dance comes, Aemond bout to steal the whole show and leave everyone except Daemon behind

[@ReneeSky]

I kind of love that it's Corlys who catches Rhaenyra and holds her protectively. Like, mans just lost his daughter and has that 'dad-protector' vibe here. Also, little Luke screaming breaks my heart 😭

[@Youtube_Street_Drifter]

Alicent was really goin after that boy with a knife lol

[@tiagomacri3537]

incredible acting.. I'm getting so addicted to this show

[@claytonbugeja1125]

They are fowarding too fasr

[@shaestewart5318]

I'm on no ones side, I think that's the point the creator's want us to be. We are the third party watching all this mess. Both sides have their rights and wrongs, and as a third party we see how tragic this ends. If only they had the balls to talk instead of fight and plot.

[@Emy-fv5ny]

I don't think the Hightowers have their right, Rhaenyra is the heir, get over it 😄 I feel bad for the common ppl because they will be the real victims of all this mess.

[@roseofthegarden_]

@@Emy-fv5ny No, they do. Rhaenyra is heir, but her kids are bastards and what she did is treason. her head would roll for that alone. Aegon is the rightful successor to Rhaenyra as well and she's trying to take that from him by claiming her kids aren't bastards, which means they are owed nothing in terms of titles.

[@giacomoromano8842]

@@roseofthegarden_ ok, her first batch of kids are bastards, but (SPOILERS!!!) she is going to make a whole new batch of kids with Daemon and they will be pure Targaryen. Problem solved. All of this would have not been an issue if she was a man and that's the entire plot point, how unjust this society is, considering countless other examples of more equal societies that exist in this world, like Dorne or Old Valyria.

[@Emy-fv5ny]

@@roseofthegarden_ Rhaenyra is trying to take nothing from Aegon because Viserys NEVER named him his heir, so if there is someone trying to steal something here that is Alicent and her father. Can they prove her children are bastards? No, they can't. That's the reason why Alicent stfu on the last episode and let Viserys goes for Aegon for that, what a great mom. It's not what they know, it's what they can prove and they can't prove anything.

[@ramonserna8089]

@@Emy-fv5ny Its like Aegon said: They all know. Vyseris know, Alicent know, the kids know, the kingdom knows. Just because they are in the middle ages doesnt mean they dont know basic genetics.

[@Dev.85]

Alicent made a very good point. She has done everything expected of her as a wife, daughter, queen and mother. Rhaenyra birthed bastard sons and flaunted it because her father saw her as an exception to the rule. And their friendship suffered because of it. Neither are innocent in how things have played out leading into the Dance of Dragons but that one decision Rhaenyra made to out Otto forever changed the course of a relationship that becomes the catalyst for everything else that followed.

[@Ashbrash1998]

Rhaneyra didn't do that VISERYS did and Otto was compromised and lied to the king. He knee enough to state where Rhae went and when she came back, but not enough to drag her home. Let alone his info wasn't even correct and he refused to tell the King who the informer was, likely because it was Damon's ex lover. Which of course isn't an unbiased source let alone he didn't even give the king solutions to kill the rumors and protect the crown.

[@Dev.85]

@@Ashbrash1998 Rhaenyra was old enough to be held accountable for the decisions she made, along with Alicent.

[@ifeelsorryforu666]

wtf r u talking abt😂 u really need to watch the show before talking shit abt rhaenyra. alicent seduced rhaenyra’s father right after rhaenyra’s mother’s funeral is the true reason why their friendship ended thank u very much😂 stop fucking blaming everything on rhaenyra and acting like a victim when the greens hurt rhaenyra first

[@ifeelsorryforu666]

and look what a responsible mother alicent is🥺knowing kids been bully aemond and she did nothing but towards her anger to aegon and try to convince him rhaenyra wants him dead 😂😂😂and wow just look at aegon, what a great king material raised and educated by alicent😍😍😍

[@ifeelsorryforu666]

u know what i gotta tell u rhaenys made a very good point. alicent love men so much she spent her whole life just to please those men around her and it’s really just sad because her life is just meaningless. so i understand women like alicent cant bear to see a true queen doing things she likes and doing things to please herself instead of men.

[@KindredKeepsake]

Alicent was FERAL, yet her hair was lovelier than ever here. Those curls! Gave me Margaery vibes.

[@rustyflowers1696]

Fans going "sentence Alicent to death" "kill her" "touching the Princess is treason”. So we just gonna forget that child who got his eye popped out like a champagne cork is Viserys' own son too?! He’s a Prince too?! Viserys is gonna execute his wife for wanting justice for his own son?! Huh?? What kinda weak King does nothing while his own seed gets his eye poked out by a couple of bas-terds? He was more worried about protecting Rhaenyra’s illegitimacy than his son. Ppl really acting like if some kids did that to your 10yr old in the sandbox ya'll just gonna be like "oh word? Kenny's the middle child. So no biggie.” A mother’s rage, while unhinged, is totally understandable. The king shoulda handed out a more reasonable punishment before it even got to eye for an eye. But he was gonna do nothing due to his gross favoritism for his daughter, which justifiably infuriated Alicent. The king is spineless.

[@nicolechan3692]

fr omg like how do people not at least sympathize with alicent??

[@notyetawomen5257]

I completely agree with everything you said, I hate that the kid got off scot free without facing any consequences. Alicent's anger very is justifiable.

[@ThomasFoolery8]

Thank you! Finally. This was really well written. Alicent has a right to feel that way.

[@cristinademartini6653]

I agree with all that you say, except about Viserys? What was he really supposed to? It was a very dangerous situation which could have escalated to a rebellion either way.

[@rustyflowers1696]

@@cristinademartini6653 he didn't have to actually "punish" anyone. he shou;d've just shown compassion to the other side of his family instead of acting like they didn't exist.

[@sakaya9878]

Corlys is such a chad. I love him.

[@grootste3906]

Ikr, I love the way he holds Rhaenyra after she is cut by Alicent. Like he is there to protect her

[@sakaya9878]

@@grootste3906 his wife should have been queen with him as consort instead of Viserys. He was a kind man who tried his best, but goddamn it he was so weak and incompetent.

[@melindoranightsilver9298]

@@sakaya9878 The problem is: the sexism of the time and just plain not knowing how Viscerys would be as a King. They didn't know that Rhaenys may have been a better option after all. As good of a King as Jaehaerys I was, even he was guilty of preferring a male over a female. He had an argument with Alyssane about it, twice I believe.

[@natanieltiglao540]

@@melindoranightsilver9298 even on her deathbed as I recall she suggested that Rhaenys should be the ruling Queen. Queen Alyssane taught her granddaughter how to be a true monarch, unlike Viserys who was just hanging out at court right beside the Brave as a shadow.

[@melindoranightsilver9298]

@@natanieltiglao540 Alyssane wanted one thing, Jaehaerys and the Lords mainly wanted another. Baelon also had to switch gears because he thought he was going to be Hand of the King. Baelon lost so much and it kept breaking him: sister- wife he adored, child, the brother he looked up to, an older sister, two younger sisters-one of which he felt he could have perhaps stopped. I always felt really bad for him. Viscerys is like Tywin's father-nice guy, not a good ruler. He should have married Laena. That way, Laenor being gay wouldn't have been an issue. When a Lord died, Viscerys should have had the new one swear to uphold Rhaenyra's rule.

[@jjh2456]

Alicent had every right to lose her shit. Her son was just permanently mutilated and the only comfort she can find is from that said son who is traumatized in his own right. However since his mother was the only one in the room standing up for him, he put his trauma on the back burner to protect her.

[@Faisal-nx8zy]

She can put her shit right back up where it came from. Her son stole vhagar and was about to smash the kids with a rock and called them bastards just because he wanted his ego stroked. Deserved what happened to them. Damn hightowers make me think of some people i know in real life. I really hope no one reading this comment would ever have to deal with people like them

[@TriellaStar]

Alicent's son started the fight because she's been teaching them to hate their own nephews. She's the root of the problem, she need to be and at herself 💀

[@kristian6329]

@@TriellaStar I don't think you would care who started the fight if your son lost an eye

[@robertmacdonald5496]

​@Kelle AJ lol, they ganged up on him 4v1 for doing what was expected of him and it's Alicent and Aemond's fault? She wouldn't teach her sons to hate Rhaenyra's if Rhaenyra didn't constantly lie to Alicent and have insultingly obvious bastard children. If she forced Laenor to close his eyes and think of a knight once, she could've avoided this.

[@ArgonYouTube]

@@TriellaStar Aemond didn't start the fight ffs. Watch the goddamn show.

[@lawfulhusbands]

This scene hurts so much and I don't blame either women. Alicent is obviously going to lose it because her son has been maimed and no one is supporting them. Rhaenyra is in protective mode because she doesn't want her kids' secret to come out. The problem (as usual) is Viserys. He lacks tact and compassion to handle such a delicate situation where kids from BOTH SIDES should have been shown love and care. But then again the man murdered his own wife during childbirth and then groomed and r@ped a teenager again and again to have kids so like what do we expect even?

[@shamcaster6087]

I hate Viserys in this scene, He acts like a totally biased asshole towards Rhaenyra. He could've at least give a punishment for Luke like forbids him to have a dragon or something.

[@cristinademartini6653]

Sincerely, in his shoes, i don't know how to handle this situation differently: if he did something to Lucerys, he would have made Rhaenyra and the Velaryon (above all Corlys, one of his most important allies) angry; if he reprimanded Aemond for starting the mess, he would have pissed off Alicent and his hand Otto. Viserys was between two hot factions, which would have start a war likewise. It was the only thing possible to mantain the peace and stability.

[@shamcaster6087]

@@cristinademartini6653 Well yeah, but still losing an eye permanently is a big deal than having a broken and bloodied nose. He may have thought of keeping the peace but by acting like that(not giving a single punishment for Luke) he kinda made greens resentment towards blacks worse. (If I were him I would've punished both sides)

[@cristinademartini6653]

@@shamcaster6087 ah yes, absolutely. If he was a stronger king, i agree he should have. But at the same time, I can understand why Viserys acted like that. Damn, what a family of insanes XD!

[@r.g6170]

absolutely. he has spoilt rhaeneyra since childhood to the point that she felt entitled to receive loyalty from the baratheons based on an old oath that the current lord had never taken lol.

[@DM-Oz]

​@@r.g6170Cause she was entlited to his loyalty, that is, if he had any honor

[@josefineheyn4970]

If someone had just watched the kids none of this would have happened

[@cristinademartini1284]

Just like Viserys told Criston Cole. And he was right.

[@Tormund_Giantsbrain]

That “where is duty, where is sacrifice” scene…Olivia Cooke doing some Dinklage level lifting there. The agony, the passion. That’s a Emmy nomination scene. Aegon “We Know Father. Everyone Knows”. That’s the “Prince will remember that little Lord” moment. Finally there's Otto “in time you and I together will prevail” and I’m the meme of Homer Simpson decked out in a green tee, sitting on green cushions, wearing a Hightower snapback, holding a Go Greens flag with a Alicent poster on the wall😂. Hill's Alive has a video saying GOATTO Hightower is Everything A Westerosi Man is Supposed to Be and that channel remains the most BASED GoT hot takes channel lol. Aemond taming Vhaegar, holding his own in a 1v4 makes him the real Bhad Bish. Only wholesome moment was our Prince resting his head on his mom’s shoulder to let her know she can depend on him. Meanwhile checking in on the Blacks: “What is honor compared to a woman’s uncle” - Maester Aemon

[@raionfavorites]

Makes me think a lot about that other line, "Love is the death of duty". Maybe part of the problem and a way to avoid the bloodshed that is coming would have been a little bit of balance between the two. Like some of the major mistakes in the timeline have been because of that. Viserys choice of duty over the life if his wife, Otto's choice of duty over love of her daugher, Rhaenyra's choice of duty over a quieter life and the safety of her children, Alicent choice if duty over her own self respect and later on the safety of her children too. Really gets me thinking.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@antonioscafuri756 True, Rhaenyra doesn't understand the concept of Duty tbh

[@thalmoragent9344]

Yeah, I honeslty see Alicent as tragic. Doing her duty and being a responsible, respectable Queen. Then there's Rhaenyra, a problematic princess who hides behind daddy and endures no consequences. But there will be soon.

[@Tormund_Giantsbrain]

@@thalmoragent9344 A man of culture.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@Tormund_Giantsbrain Thanks. I get the Greens aren't angels but I'm still far more on their side than the Black's. Sucks how it all ends but, even the innocent are unjustly killed on both sides. That said, go Greens

[@blueberrytarts2330]

i can so see where alicent is coming from here. time and time again, viserys has ignored rhaenyra's wrong doings, and yet alicent has done everything right and has been treated as she has been. this is just her snapping. from viserys treating her kids like they aren't even his. i would've so wished for her to yell at viserys AKHFUJ

[@MasterOfTheElements]

Because to acknowledge them would mean war, and Viserys is all about peace.

[@ruonanzhao5508]

Allicent has done everything right by marrying her best friends father without telling her best friend in the first place. Yep.

[@Melanie-jy2nw]

@@MasterOfTheElementsthen he shouldn’t have had them. He created this war and he created the divide.

[@007dalal]

​@@MasterOfTheElements not peace but Rhaenyra. And that too mainly because she reminds him kf Emma who died because of his mistake

[@MasterOfTheElements]

@@Melanie-jy2nw No, Otto created the divide because he wanted his blood on the throne that power hungry C.U.N.T.

[@AlKay38245]

He only really loved Rhaenyra as his kid the others were his duty to the kingdom so they had spares

[@truedillo1876]

Sad but true he only love her he didn’t care as much about them as seen here

[@dill_pickle_]

I might not be team "Green" but Alicent tried to do the thing that Viserys didn't - to ask for justice about her son

[@garlantyrell6368]

If I were her, I wouldn’t want to take out another child’s eye to get justice but I would want Rhaenyra to be disinherited as heir to the throne for having bastard children with Harwin Strong. Viserys could just legitimize the boys as Velaryons and allow Rhaenyra to keep Dragonstone while Aegon is named heir.

[@dill_pickle_]

@@garlantyrell6368 I didn't say that I agree with her desire to take Lucerys' eye, I mean that at least she tried to do SOMETHING while Viserys didn't. Of course, it's not the kids' fault about what their mother has done

[@garlantyrell6368]

@@dill_pickle_ I know what you’re saying but it was still horrifying to see Queen Alicent go that far. But I am glad she did more for Aemond than Viserys.

[@sierbig]

​@@garlantyrell6368naming Aegon the heir would be putting the greens on power, Viserys worst mistake was trusting Otto instead of Daemon, Daemon was ruthless but he still was a Targaryen, looking up for the family, Hightowers wanted to sieze the throne for themselves, they shouldve been anihhilated years ago.

[@kap2652]

@@sierbigno it would put the Targaryens in power aegon is a Targaryen not Hightower that’s like saying the arryns rhaenyra mother side wanted to take the throne

[@Elegantwoes]

It's interesting how all of you are harping on Alicent for touching royal blood but absolutely ignore how before this scene Rhaenyra demanded that Aemond, you know her severely wounded younger brother, should be tortured for a "rumor" that is an open secret. That is more disturbing to me than Alicent snapping because she learned how her children are in fucking danger because of individuals like Rhaenyra and Viserys. They drew the first line and now Alicent has no choice to protect her own.

[@jae135]

Rhaenyra proposed for Aemond to be “questioned” not “tortured” for answers as you said. There’s a big difference there.

[@Elegantwoes]

@@jae135 In Westeros being “sharply questioned” is a euphemism for fucking torture. So don’t you lecture me about this and assume I know nothing.

[@jae135]

@@Elegantwoes I never said or assumed that you know nothing, I was pointing out that there was a difference in the wording used between you and Rhaenyra. It is fair to take what Rhaenyra said as a euphemism considering, yes, it is Westeros. This world can be bloody and violent on anyone, no matter the age, but it is also fair to take her suggestion to "sharply question" Aemond literally as well. It's the consideration that it is not within the scope of her character, as she's shown many times her restraint in outwardly hurting her family (i.e. torture, slain, etc.), regardless of whether she likes them or not. Actually, she's never shown restraint because she's never even been seen to have that intent in the first place. So her saying "sharply questioned" really could have been meant literally. But if we're to disregard her character study, logically speaking, suggesting to have a child - especially one of the King's children who also happens to be your own half-brother, regardless of you being older and being the heir which gives you way more power - outright tortured in front of all those people would not set a good example on how you'll be as a ruler. It says you'd be ruthless, and if they've lived in peace for years, no one wants to have a ruler who's already got blood like that on their hands before even wearing the crown.

[@valthewildling2112]

Black stans harping on Alicent like the 4 kiddos harping on Aemond one scene earlier. Patterns.

[@valthewildling2112]

@@jae135 it's not an euphemism, "sharply questioned" has been used multiple times in ASOIAF books to indicate torture.

[@miquelm6502]

It s hard hate Alicent when she is only spitting facts

[@miquelm6502]

@@antonioscafuri756 true

[@retronerds6884]

@@C-eo1rt last I checked aemond didn't start the fight

[@therealjokerj]

bruh the king is a bitch how you let your queen cut your daughter because she didn't she fit in your authority....If I was the king a bitch would have got slapped that night lucky Ian off wit da head for touching baby gurl

[@jjh2456]

@@retronerds6884 didn’t start it and was the most affected by it.

[@curtisdunn2909]

​@@retronerds6884 He was being a disrespectful prick

[@Alrokako]

If I was Aemond I would've hugged an told his mother how much I loved her for taking it this far in order to protect me

[@BlackDiamond2718]

Alicent was wrong in expecting an eye for aemonds actions. But she was absolutely right to be infuriated at being second to rhaenyra after her negligence in contributing to her family. I follow the heir as i followed stannis but rhaenyra brought the dance of dragons on their doorstep as did viserys.

[@DM-Oz]

Rhaenyra brought the dance of dragons? Hightowers were a bunch of fucking snakes and usurpers. They are the ones conspiring in the dark of the nights over the king's body. They are the one murdering lords that refuse to comply

[@chenchuuu8949]

I seriously can't blame alicent for doing that

[@garlantyrell6368]

Same

[@AdeptKing]

I don't like the Greens much but yeah, I don't blame her for acting up either.

[@LatriceTaylor-j8r]

She went behind her friend back and married her father,

[@kap2652]

@@LatriceTaylor-j8rdid she have a choice?? No it was viserys who wanted to marry her and did his fault nobody else

[@chewedw1re]

@@LatriceTaylor-j8ri mean she was kind of groomed at a young age by her own father into doing it, so

[@BossALKENO]

Give Emma and Olivia an Emmy for this scene

[@subterraneanhomesickalien666]

"Its trampled under your pretty foot" interesting choice of words Alicent. 🤣

[@alo9247]

LMFAOO

[@masterplokoon8803]

Larys:" Don't worry your grace they are not as pretty as yours"

[@angeenoirceur]

None of this would’ve happened if Otto wouldn’t stick his nose where it doesn’t belong and Alicent didn’t play along with it…

[@yasminpadilla5839]

Hard to disagree with Alicent when she speaks nothing but straight facts

[@calenora9946]

I agree if she dont show her feets to larrys, this makes every speak there a hypocrise

[@vivannet231]

@@calenora9946i dont think that feet scene was even in the books-

[@AdeptKing]

@@calenora9946 They're all hypocrites. Makes it kind of hard to decide who to root for.

[@gooby214]

@@AdeptKing You're not supposed to root for anyone, dude. This isn't a damn sport. GRRM literally wrote a conflict between nasty political sides and entitled spoiled nobles. Why do normies ALWAYS seek someone to "root" for? Jesus, just watch the damn story objectively, instead of making it a sports game.

[@JimmySteller]

@@gooby214 It's gonna be hilarious to see the divided opinions over the Shepherd when he shows up in the story.

[@LightningFox7]

Can we talk about how Rhaenys and Corlys protected their grandsons. And Rhaenys was hugging her 4 grandkids.

[@hendrixgeorge6189]

I love rhaenyra but the audaticy she has that her kids blind another kid and then she declares "highest of treasons" because the kid spoke facts about them being bastards lmao, and that high treason is basically death sentence so the fact she tried to pin that on that little boy instead of owning up to the fact that her kids are in fact bastards lmao, alicent is crazy but she had a point in this argument tbh

[@SouthJerzVillains]

U just said a reason why no one should love her she’s a horrible person lol

[@cheapskate102]

If she owns up, she's dead & her kids, & Harwin (if he was alive)

[@ThomasFoolery8]

Alicent’s response is actually pretty reasonable. She def went too far, but it isn’t “crazy” at all if you consider everything.

[@teddyrosekidd]

Owning up that her kids are bastards would get her and her kids killed. TF? Why on earth would she EVER do that lol

[@SayaCross]

So you want her to instead 'fess up about her bastards and admit to the "highest of treasons" on herself and declare her sons as illegitimate in front of everyone and then what? jump off the the castle with her sons and die and pass on the throne to aegon the king who jizzes at people from windows and be done with it? Oh you sweet summer child...

[@ryanarment5393]

Alicent bared steel and attacked the family of the heir designate. Rhaenerya would have been within her rights to call for Alicent's head.

[@pedreme9421]

nope , she cannot either, she is the king's wife, and mother of his children

[@RamesesBolton]

Rhaenyras kids cut the eye out of the Kings son. If Rhaenyra did ask for the head, she would have been told no, just like Alicent was refused the eye of one of Rhaenyras kids.

[@ryanarment5393]

@@RamesesBolton the difference is that Rhaenerya's son took Aemon's eye defending himself and his cousins. Alicent defied the king's decree that the matter was closed and publicly attacked Rhaenerya and her family with bared steel. Both acts were technically treason.

[@RamesesBolton]

@@ryanarment5393 Its not defence if your side initiates the attack. Aemond was defending. Aemond wasn't going to go as far as removing an eye and was mostly using the rock as a warning. Remember that Aemond picked up the rock when all 4 were on top of him and hurting him. Aemond was trying to get past them and even when he was attacked with a knife, he wasn't using deadly force

[@Mr_Howitzer]

@@RamesesBolton He was threatening their lives too though saying stuff like I'll feed you to my dragon and further escalating the situation with insults and violent words. He also smashed one of Rhaenyra's children head with a rock. Any head injury can be a deadly force you can not disregard this. And you cannot disregard that in the argument he was having with children that just recently lost their parents and would be quite obviously in a emotional state he said rather triggering things.

[@rachael8646]

Gosh darn they cast such adorable kiddos for Luke and Jace!

[@sweetnesstwilight]

While I don't agree with Alicent wanting a child's eye, I am more on her side on this one. Her son gets blinded after he defends himself from 4 kids attacking him and states the obvious, that Rhaenyra's sons are bastards, and Rhaenyra has the audacity to demand answers from Aemond as he's committed "the highest of treasons" knowing full well that her sons are in fact bastards just because she knows she can get away with anything since daddy will come to her rescue. I would've respected Rhaenyra more in this if she just kept her mouth shut or offered some peace or at least scolded her kid

[@lukebegg7114]

Not only did he insult daemons children mother after the funeral and he also tryed to kill Jace and Luke to protect him after getting beaten by his older cousin ,it was accident that aemond caused for himself(also I think rhanerya only got defensive once she learnt he called her son's got called bastards since if it gets out of her hands her children can be in danger especially after her father's death)

[@sweetnesstwilight]

@@lukebegg7114 I agree it was rude of him to insult them but that doesnt warrent a full blown beating by all 4 kids, especially when he's kept quiet and polite this whole time while he himself has been bullied so I can't blame him for wanting to stick up for himself finally. He wasn't going to kill them either, you could see he definitely had the chance if he wanted to put he just held the rock there as a threat to stop attacking him and as defence. I understand Rhaenyra wanting to protect her children, but there were better ways for her to go about this as well

[@SayaCross]

@@sweetnesstwilight I uh.. dont think a literal child seeing his uncle beating the living crap out of them would look at the stone and think "suree he is just threatening us, he wouldn't do anything to us right?" it was an accident and the 4 kids started the scuffle sure but aemond quickly and effectively overpowered them and was not entirely innocent and no one could have said for certain that he wouldnt have maimed his 'strong' nephews he is so 'affectionate' about.

[@Ashbrash1998]

​@sweetnesstwilight To be fair we're talking about kids. And if someone says their gonna kill them dying and screaming, why would they think otherwise? We really can't expect a kid about 7 years old to have the mental understanding that someone may be lying about killing them.

[@blackfyre938]

Aemond lost an eye but Rhaenyra's arm is dramatized at the end of the scene, lol. Alicent is right to be angry...

[@GD-Life]

Daemon though ❤

[@Emy-fv5ny]

The only reason why I watched this thing.

[@renatoovelar7442]

Viserys was a great father to Rhaenyra but terrible for the rest of the Targaryens, he should’ve punished Luke and Jace in some way (maybe cutting one of Luke’s fingertips). By not doing so he not only showed clear favouritism but also made it clear that a Targaryen can harm another Targaryen unpunished, breaking the taboo established by Jaehaerys. I’m not on the green side myself, Aemond had it coming, but Viserys should’ve been fair (gouging out Luke’s eyeball is too extreme, but SOME punishment). Notice how Viserys and Rhaenys even though both had claims on the throne, never crossed their minds to kill or go to war against eachother and still loved themselves as a family. I’m aware is mostly Alicent’s and Otto’s fault, but Viserys failed miserably in not teaching his family the value of filial love (the exact same value his grandparents, Jaehaerys and Alysanne taught all their direct descendant, Viserys and Rhaenys included).

[@CainEverest]

This reminds me of the Doctor's Speech: "BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GAME, KATE! This is a scale model of WAR! Every war ever fought right in front of you! When you fire that first shot, no matter how RIGHT you feel, you have NO IDEA who's going to die! You don't know whose children are going to SCREAM AND BURN! How many hearts will be broken! How many LIVES shattered! How much blood will spill until everyone does what they're always going to do from the very beginning - SIT DOWN AND TALK!"

[@joselynegualdo8861]

Did anyone notice Viserys on the ground on the stairs and Otto helping him up in 0:40? So basically he either fell trying to get to Alicent or she pushed him when she went for the dagger

[@skyly5904]

All rhenera did was enjoy her life without being limited to rules. And alicent took that personally.

[@fikichaeranirizkiah3138]

Yes, while Alicent marry old man and not have choice to enjoy her life and try to fullfil her father will. Honestly, alicent tired and angry about her situation

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

Yeah because it kind of is personal 💀

[@octaviosalvatierra1389]

like rhaenyria did nothing bro, black fans are really dumb, not objetive at all

[@raionfavorites]

Rhaenyra didn't "enjoyed life", she was groomed by her uncle since childhood and married his gay cousin by obligation after the uncle tried to ruin her and almost succeeded. Then she had to deal with the problen of his cousin not producing heirs and risking her family being convicted of high treason by having bastards just to secure her claim. Then after his husban flees (thanks to her mercy), she has to marry her pedo psyco uncle cause he's the only one which enough power to back her up. Al the people saying Rhaenyra is so carefree and always having fun... I don't know what show are you watching yo... but is not HoD

[@ace_9976]

It was her choice to do that. She believed otto was her father and wanted best for her but it was all bs since otto was nothing but a parasite who pimped out his daughter.

[@sheepstealinggreatgreatgrandma]

Seeing all the debates in the comments about 'questioned sharply', it is interesting to note that the show actually reverses the order in which Rhaenyra and Alicent make shitty demands. In the book Alicent is the one to first demand Luke's eye, and Rhaenyra responds with the suggestion to question where Aemond heard her sons were bastards. Basically, "HMM since you want to cut my son's eye out ALICENT, I WONDER WHO told Aemond my children were bastards, maybe we should question him sharply, what do you think ALICENT". It's an example of the show taking a line from the book without considering the context - Rhaenyra was reacting to Alicent threatening her child. Alicent, to be fair to her, was reacting to her son's injury, but she didn't need a second threat to react to. It does give the scene a more dramatic escalation, but its not really fair to Rhaenyra - it makes her the aggressor in a situation where she was just reacting defensively in the book. Even in the context of the show scene however, Rhaenyra was still reacting to a threat. If Aemond is calling her children bastards, that means Alicent is raising her children to coup. Aemond casually mentions that Helaena will be Aegon's queen on day in this episode, so we know this is the case. Since the rumour is now being spoken aloud, it is politically savvy to take control of the narrative and get her father to publicly solidify his support for her sons legitimacy, while backing Alicent into a corner. Again, the reversed dynamics make Rhaenyra come across as more aggressive, but it is a rumour that could threaten her children's lives (remember how Otto's first coup proposal is 'kill Rhaenyra and her entire family'). Complain that the rumour is true all you like, but the truth isn't a virtue in of itself if it gets innocent children killed. And to those who say "well she should have thought of that before she had bastards" - what parent in the world would go "welp fair enough, my bad, guess I'll just roll over and let them endanger my kids"? What exactly do you expect her to do? Plus, she didn't ask to be forcibly married to a gay man. In the book she argued against it because she knew it was going to be a problem when it came to producing heirs, and only agreed because Viserys threatened to displace her as heir. In the show, the marriage is a consequence of her having consensual premarital sex - something Viserys and Daemon got away with all the time when they were her age without consequence (and Aegon gets away with much worse). She still does her duty, marries the man her father commands (she never had a pick-your-consort option at all in the book by the way), she produces heirs to the best of her ability in the situation her father put her in, and she faces her fear of childbirth (which killed both her mother and grandmother). So there's the duty and sacrifice. Finding happiness with Harwin doesn't negate that.

[@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO]

Hope this comment gets voted up

[@Adsper2000]

She basically did ask to be married to Laenor. She refused every single offer she was given and then tried to fuck Daemon which essentially forced Viserys to put a stop to her bullshit before Daemon became next in line for kingship again. She risked everything by fucking Crispin (including Crispin’s life), and is extremely lucky she didn’t get pregnant. She didn’t even resist her marriage to Laenor, because she thought him being gay was actually a positive to her. She was not pushed into a corner, she was just irresponsible. She was given more freedom than could ever be expected for someone in her position, and she made awful decisions at every interval. Moral of the story: monarchy is stupid, because expecting irresponsible dipshit teenagers to make rational decisions that ultimately affect the lives of millions upon millions of people, is a bad idea.

[@luzmartinez6810]

You said nothing but straight up FACTS!

[@fightingmedialounge519]

I wouldn't say asking for ger little brother to be tortured is acting defensively regardless of when she did it. Also nothing you suggest negates the fact she shouldn't have had bastard children with a non valerion. So she really didn't commit duty and sacrifice in the show, and only achieved one of the viruses in the books.

[@sheepstealinggreatgreatgrandma]

​@@fightingmedialounge519 honestly, I don't think Rhaenyra genuinely aimed for or expected Aemond to be tortured (in the show no one seems to consider it a genuine possibility) - her goal was to back Alicent into a corner by establishing Aemond's words as treason and publicly asking where he got it from. Still messed up, but in the context of the book it is in response to Alicent physically threatening her children. If its understandable for Alicent in the show to flip out and demand violence, then its understandable for Rhaenyra. Add that the fight between the kids goes down differently in the book. In the book it starts because a 10-year-old Aemond shoves a 3-year-old Joffrey (to shut him up so he can claim Vhagar in peace), and 6 and 5 year old Jace and Luke come to their little brother's defence (Baela and Rhaena are only 3 and are not there). Aemond of course easily beats them because they're half his age and size, and he is quoted as having 'savagely pummelled' Jace before Luke came to his defence. So Rhaenyra in the book is also reacting to her 6-year-old getting beat up by a much older kid, with much more serious injuries. No kid deserves to lose an eye, but book Aemond is so much more of a bully that the accident almost serves him right for beating up little kids! Its understandable that those same little kids' mother would be hostile towards him. But again, 'questioned sharply' is really aimed at Alicent - and in the book this is also with the context of book Alicent bullying her stepdaughter since she was 9. The Rhaenyra that said that line in the book had a very different life than Rhaenyra in the show.

[@LukeKetchum7003]

We all feel like a volcano when we explode with so much anger. But right after it cools down, we take a step back and realize "what have we done?"

[@Sassafrass95]

the fact Rhaenyra is such a hypocrite in this scene, Allicent has sacrificed everything while Rhaenyra has everything handed to her on a silver plater and is never punished despite having commited treason and the fact her son himself has commited treason against the king's own son.

[@bookishlycaitz1914]

Rhaenyra has not got anything handed to her. She is the heir. She has lost her mother, her brother, the man she loved and now her son. Alicent blames rhaenyra for all her problems when only person she has to blame is otto

[@Alejojojo6]

@@bookishlycaitz1914 Emm no. Rhaenyra has always been entitled and given free passes for her actions while Alicent has done what is expected of her, always putting duty above her own selfish desires. Rhaenyra is seen putting upside down years of tradition and as a selfish woman who laughed at all by having bastard sons. Viserys even spit on his own claim by naming Rhaenyra heir, when he himself became king above a woman and so did Jaehaerys, his grandfather.

[@bookishlycaitz1914]

@@Alejojojo6 alicent starts a war that kills thousands apon thousands and also leads to death of her own children to put her rapist son who also has bastards on the throne byt rhaenyra is the selfish one?

[@Indeeee]

@@bookishlycaitz1914 the biasness shows

[@mercuriology45]

and how is it Rhaenyra’s fault that Alicent has suffered and she hasn’t?? Rhaenyra is not being a hypocrite. Alicent is right, rhaenyra gets to do everything and get away with it. However alicent and her speech of “ i did everything that was asked of me” sounds like she is projecting her own suffering into a woman, who had nothing to do with it. Otto was the one who made her own daughter married an old man and have his kids, not Rhaenyra. She keeps blaming her problems on Rhaenyra

[@ekqeue]

alicent was 100% right in this scenario. took it too far but still

[@sierbig]

Imagine living a shitty life full of bitterness and regret because of duty and wishing it to others just to be pitful, Alicent is pathetic.

[@jemapelle_gargi]

Did anyone notice Criston was about to take Luke's eye out but Daemon saw that and stopped him? Plus he totally gave the control of the entire situation to Rhaenyra. After seeing to it that his daughters were safe with their grandparents, he shifted towards Rhaenyra to be with her and her kids.

[@sillylittlesheepjax6009]

nah Criston isnt that dumb to take kid eyes with all these ppl in the room. He was just jumping in there to hold off Alicent

[@ace_9976]

He was trying to get to Allicent. He refused to take lucerys eye.

[@ionela0202]

he literally refused a few seconds earlier, please pay attention to what the characters are saying lmao; and stop acting like daemon is oh the bravest , purest. cause he aint shit

[@djhuckfield]

Daemon stopped him in case he hurt Rhaenyra trying to protect Alicent - Cole had already refused the order to take the kid's eye and wouldn't dare do it against the order from Rhaenyra and in front of Viserys and Daemon (and tbf Corlys too would not have stood by and let it happen)

[@ace_9976]

@@ionela0202 i agree. Daemon's bad traits in the books are magnified in this show to the point where he can't even be considered to be a gray character.

[@crod9905]

It's crazy to me how no one in the comments section sees through Allicent's posturing (even if she is right) in this scene. It's been obvious since the time skip that she's doing this for HER. She reminds me of a female Walter White, where they keep saying their actions and behavior are for the good of their family. But in reality, they're doing it for themselves. If Allicent could get away with all the things Rhaenyra did, she wouldn't be talking about honor and duty and sacrifice. Allicent is envious that she can't have the life Rhaenyra has. And I understand why would that would make her snap.

[@Papaty25]

People keep forgetting Alicent is the Queen Consort. She can do whatever she wants until Viserys tells her to stop.

[@maestroclassico5801]

That dagger has an amazing story.....it ends up being wielded by ARYA!

[@ProtagonisTeneT]

It wasn't even suppose to be wielded by her. STOP THINKING SEASON 8 is a part of GOT. It is NOT

[@maestroclassico5801]

@@ProtagonisTeneT who was it eventually supposed to be wielded by?

[@ProtagonisTeneT]

@@maestroclassico5801 Well we wont know until GRRM finishes his damn book will we? Lol

[@proudatheist2042]

Rhaenyra claims to not want to be a tyrant, but she is thankful that her father calls for anyone to question or state the obvious to be punished. Rhaenyra herself acknowledged that her three sons are not fathered by Laenor. The whole "no one is permitted to state the obvious because I am the heir to The Iron Throne" is nauseating. It's the "rules for the, but not for me" mentality with her.

[@micheletrzimiel3204]

Yes and all the rhaenyra dickriders in the fandom. 🤢🤢🤮 Team Green supporters where you at ?

[@ewansonpyrbot]

she didn't claim anything, it was just a line to which Daemon replied and said that being feared by the people is the way for them. At the end of the episode she said it that if a rumour were to spread, people would fear the blacks of what they're capable of because of what happened to Laenor.

[@yubyub335]

Yeah, the thing with this whole "team green or team black" is that both sides are flawed and none of them are good or have reediming qualities like many people try to prove, Alicent was a pawn of her father (at least from what we see in the show, idk if book Alicent is any different) and Rhaenyra is all up in her head walking a thin line of "the world is mine for the taking" circus, both are cruel in their own way, besides, i hope they show what Rhaenyra does to poor Healena and her kids so that the DaemonxRhaenyra stans see just how evil they both can be to their own half sister/niece.

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

She's always been that way. She doesn't care about getting rid of patriarchy. She just wants to be above the rules. I thought that was made clear when she mocked rhaenys as the queen who never was. She knows if things were different her father wouldn't even be king and yet she does not care.

[@rai4119]

she's not the one reinforcing "rules for thee"; letting her rule would change the rules for *everyone*

[@garlantyrell6368]

Honestly, this got me on team green’s side because Viserys and Rhaenyra are gaslighting this whole incident. The King does nothing when Rhaenyra asks for Aemond, his own son and her half-brother to be tortured even though he already got maimed and has been tortured enough. Then, he just has the nerve to favor Rhaenyra and her sons over his other children with Alicent. He never loved Aegon or Aemond or even Helaena and just straight up neglected them for his precious daughter. I completely understand Queen Alicent’s frustration here because now, it’s kinda confirmed that her husband will always have Rhaenyra and her sons’ back and never have her or her own kids’ backs at all, even though it’s them who are in more danger than Rhaenyra is because once she ascends the throne, their lives will be forfeit. Not even Helaena is safe since she is to wed Aegon and have babies with him. And Viserys won’t do anything about it and just favor Rhaenyra over his other kids, even though it’s his bad parenting that caused all of this and how Aegon and Aemond end up the way they are. Disgusting

[@User98272-ue]

Yeah well no shit targaryens look down on people who aren’t pure blooded targaryens, aegon aemond and the girl aren’t pure blooded, the king only married Alicent to do his duty

[@nonsansdroit3800]

@@User98272-ue Rhaenyra's mother was from the Vale so she wouldn't be pureblooded either.

[@User98272-ue]

@@nonsansdroit3800 rhaenyras mother is half Targaryen sure but before that everyone else is pure blooded Targaryen, rhaenyra is still more pure blooded Targaryen than anything

[@nonsansdroit3800]

@@User98272-ue Pure, definition: Not mixed with anything else : free from everything that might make dirty, change, or lower the quality. There is no "more pure" or "less pure". You either are or you aren't and Rhaenyra is not.

[@Ashbrash1998]

Rhaenyra wasn't asking him to be tortured though. Especially with a crowd, look how Alicent reacted. She wasn't freaking out that someone literally wanted her kid to be tortured she was "that's too much really?". It depends on context and whose saying it, from outside sources Maegor was quoted to have said it before torturing and killing his kin.

[@megmur1766]

Alicent was a fool. Why would viserys ever pick her side over his heir and only daughter of his beloved wife? She overestimated her station and position in his life.

[@cristinademartini1284]

maybe because she bore him three children, two males (and therefore, the legittimate claimers to the throne by tradition and custom) and a female, and for what we may know, she kept faithful to him and took care of him? Alicent deserved if not love, at least some consideration.

[@jaded_dahlia]

she's literally his wife and the mother of his kids wtf you talking about she overestimated her station 😂

[@megmur1766]

@@cristinademartini1284 man she knew that man did not like her or her children. He picked rhaenyras side over hers any chance he got. His own son had his eye taken out and viserys was like "yeah wtv get over it" dude literally dragged himself off his deathbed and made a threat to someone daring to even speak the truth about rhaenyra. Alicent was delusional

[@cristinademartini1284]

@@megmur1766 it's not like Viserys didn't care about Aemond losing an eye: but it was a situation (created by him, i'm not denying it) where the two factions were only looking for an excuse to go at each other's throat and then to war; so, he in order to avoid, he said that.

[@megmur1766]

@@cristinademartini1284 he didn't even bother to punish them she rly thinks he's going to renege last minute and make her son that he didn't even like king of the seven kingdoms!

[@ranidow34567890]

Alicent is not doing it for her son in that moment she’s doing it for herself because she’s jealous that Rhaenyra is choosing to live her life the way she wants.

[@ufo6263]

Stfu how biased you can be to think of sh*t like this

[@rohitrockzz6139]

Emma Darcy expression are lit 🔥

[@pratheekshenoy9327]

It seems as if Ser Harrold Westerling never really liked Ser Criston Cole. He wasn't very much pleased when Cole was chosen by Rhaenyra to be on the Kingsguard. Westerling and Cole clashed on TV series on 2 occassions that I can think of. One is during small council after the death of King Viserys I Targaryen, and one is in this scene. 0:40 " Stay your hand Cole"

[@BellaDucatista]

By far the best episode of the season. This whole scene was incredible and intense!

[@Juan-8354]

This scene between rhaenyra and alicent is the best scene out of the whole series, an incredible job by Emma and Olivia

[@hserwahtarwawa5378]

This scene bring back the memory of joffery and Aya fight

[@rorironan4840]

There are sick fans who are genuinely wishing Alicent took out Rhaenerya's son's eye. Even though he did take out Aemond's eyes, taking out his is going too far. It was a fight and he didn't mean to purposely cut Aemond's eye. Alicent is an adult. And she wants to take out a kid's eye. Disgusting. Of course there are people online defending her and her vile wish. Gross.

[@Ch50304]

He did mean to do it purposely. Aemond was blinded, they could have punched him and ran.He attacked because he knew he could get away with it.

[@micheletrzimiel3204]

Daemon and rhaenyra are sick too. Rhaenyra wanted aemond " to be questioned " because of rumors he only repeated. And Daemon ? All i can say is blood and cheese

[@astro7172]

Rahea is w horing herself like a common w hore making batard child. Than claim them to be real heir of the throne. A power hunger, gaslitghting everyone, using everyone. Rhae is disgrace as a character.

[@johanwestin3030]

@@micheletrzimiel3204 "sharply questioned" is a euphemism for tortyren as well...

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

He did it on purpose and if they had their way they likely would have killed him then and there. An eye for an eye is fair and just.

[@sept4799]

TWO EMMYS COMING RIGHT UP

[@jenniferattia908]

and now it begins

[@mclarenrob2]

Daemon is so gonna get revenge for that block

[@delusionalhumanbeing]

Love how Daemon stops Ser Criston

[@canadianreveries8724]

Can someone explain to me why on earth no one intervened in this? Alicent was literally trying to take the eye the son of the heir to the throne and was trying to hack up the actual heir to the throne. So many people could have been injured or killed in this scene (including Alicent), so I'm legitimately curious as to why no one got in the middle and separated them.

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

Because she's still the queen and still has lots of power, over viserys too. Nobody wants to touch either of them because they're both 2 of the most powerful people in westeros

[@whoreofdragonstone1031]

Nyra also proposed they torture Aemond, idk why u lot are talking about that.

[@frickfrack369]

it seems like it’s a case where intervention would make it worse

[@ionela0202]

because If any of the kingsguard wouldve Hurt one of them trying to save the other, it wouldve been them being blamed for hurting the queen/the princess. so they didnt want to risk their head. And as Cole said earlier that scene when viserys asked where were the guards during the kids fight, it is not Something common to protect a member of the royal family fighting with another member of the royal family.

[@spellonyou7987]

Because she is a fucking queen and they all know those kids are little bastard that has no right to claim the thrones.

[@anabbelaparker6691]

This scene was powerful perfect execution from both Actresses!! This scene shows how each of them raised their son’s…Rhae raised her son’s to have respect and honor and defend and when they stepped out of line Rhae would punish them…while Alicent let her son’s do anything they want without punishment, Alicent never prepared either of her son’s for role of king or duty while we see Rhae prepares both Luce and Jace for their roles.

[@alessiodandolo1460]

Rhaenyra didn't even prepare to become queen herself : She publicly insults potential future allies who come to propose to her, she does not hear from her father and only returns to King's Landing to ask him for an additional favor, she specifies that Borros Baratheon is a very proud man but "forgets" to offer him something in exchange for his support... And her sons...She ends up sending her three sons to die for her. What a wonderful mother ! Silly princess !

[@christinexy2516]

alicent’s kids do whatever they want without punishment but it was rhaenyra’s son that got off scot free after gouging out his uncle’s eye

[@4funstudioproduction573]

But now they see you as you are…… Dam great story writing love this series. 🎉

[@nikssu]

0 Accountability for Rhaenyra

[@jstvee]

I am somewhat reminded of the scene when Cersi wanted one of the direwolves been put down for her son being an AH and getting what he deserved,but You can never compare Joffrey with Aemond.The kids here are so far well behaved and are only being pushed into this mess by their parents and grandparents. It was more of Alicent and Otto while Rhaenyra so far lives in ignorance hoping her father will protect her

[@thalmoragent9344]

Yeah, the Hightowers aren't angels but Rhaenyra has proven to be a part of the problem for years. Once Viserys dies, she won't have daddy to hide her mistakes for her.

[@the_dropbear4392]

Except in this scene Rhaenyrs is cersi (My sons were attacked), and blamed some not involved

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

@@the_dropbear4392 well Joffrey had that coming he was a bully who picked the fight. Aemond was gonna bash his nephew's skull in for defending his cousin and his brother protected him and it got out of hand. Alicent is just another Cersei, paranoid, vicious and power hungry she had no right to usurp Rhaenyra's position in the line of succession and just like Cersei Alicent produced a vicious fucking idiot for a King in Aegon

[@ruonanzhao5508]

@@the_dropbear4392 pretty sure Joffrey was hurt like reamond in this scene because Joffery/Raemond behaved out of place and their mothers ask for revenge from hurting Luke/wolf. Simple comparison.

[@masterplokoon8803]

@@ruonanzhao5508 no Joffrey started to torture the butcher's boy started the fight and tried to gut Arya. While in this scene Aemond was the one who was atacked Jace outright tried to gut him.

[@matthewhart9610]

I totally sympathise with Alicent. I obviously don't endorse her actions, but I kinda doubt I can say I'd react much differently were I in the same position. She just finds that someone has cut out her son's eye and the only thing her husband has to say about it is that she should put it all aside, he shows far more interest in his daughter's bastards than his own son. The man sworn to serve and protect her as well as her own father both refuse to aid her when she needs them the most and she's left feeling completely alone and betrayed by everyone closest to her; her husband instantly forgives and absolves his daughter of crimes Alicent herself would undoubtedly face the headman's axe for. Of course she lashes out, it's pure, primal rage and frustration she's been bottling up for over a decade, it's a mother defending her son, it isn't meant to be a rational decision.

[@csegovia8846]

Same.

[@astro7172]

Exactly all this.

[@007dalal]

It doesn't mean anything to Viserys that his son lost his eye

[@calliefinck6275]

His son lost an eye and he doesn’t even care

[@sansaery]

Trying to Attack the heir to driftmark IN driftmark is crazy💀🙏🏻

[@کوثراحمدی-ع9ر]

This Alicent was iconic. Sadly she died on the river in episode 7.

[@feeltheillinois]

that blade is so beautiful

[@mysticalgothfireflame7211]

Kudos to Olivia Cooke best episode so far bring on the Emmys does anyone have the full complete scene of this it was the best part

[@Trissana281]

I love that Daemon stopped Cole and didnt try to protect Rhaenyra first, he knew she had it. Thats what I like. Respect and trust that she can handle crazy female, he is just there to stop idiot approaching, support, respect, trust. No need to be saving hero when your niece is capable on her own and you know it.

[@Materialgworlx]

Such a great scene

[@darthcaedus9130]

If i remember right: Aemond was going to murder the rhaenerys oldest son (by bashing his head with a rock), and they dont care. Lucerys? Defends his brother, and everyone loses their minds.

[@aishahamma334]

If I remember they attacked him first 4v1 lucerys was planning on killing him If he wasn't then why did he bring the knife in the first place

[@Kg_707_g]

Starting a figth and loosing it doesn't make you a victim

[@rayan29111997]

After seeing this I'm so content in knowing how Aemond and alicent pass away😌😌

[@sigmalpha_testostronewolf]

She’s such an icon!! Team green all the way ☺️

[@jjs1300000]

This is when I became team Green, Rhaenyra is unfit to be queen and is ok with torturing her thirteen year old brother, who just lost his eye. I can’t wait to see her get punished.

[@mercuriology45]

rhaenyra is wrong here but she is protecting her children, as bad as it is, if those rumors came out about her bastards, it will be risky for the lives of her kids and he life too.

[@mercuriology45]

“i can’t wait to see her punished” well she does get eaten by Aegons dragons and then the whole team green dies and their line goes extinct 🤷🏻‍♀️ then Alicent dies alone knowing her decisions killed all of her kids

[@jjs1300000]

@@mercuriology45 I feel sorry for Alicent

[@mercuriology45]

@@jjs1300000 the consequences of her actions

[@garlantyrell6368]

As is Alicent. She’s been defending her children as well since day one and Rhaenyra wanting her young half-brother tortured here is just proof she will end up putting her half-siblings in the chopping block if Alicent does nothing to protect them. Especially since she is married to Daemon of all people. And he would be 100% willing to take out his nephews and niece with no remorse.

[@emily_kn5152]

Aemond: Literally lost his fcking EYE because of Rhaenyras son Rhaenyra: BuT hE CaLLd HiM bAsTaRd. Yeah, he did, and this is also definitly not ok, but Aemond lost his eye forever. This is worse than being called Bastard (I mean it is the truth…) So I understand that Alicant wants revenge and I also understand how she feels. Her son made a mistake by calling the heir to the iron throne bastard, but Luke made the bigger mistake and no one really cares about this. Aemond is Viserys SON and he dont really cares about him

[@sophiacousland3452]

Calling Rhaenyra’s children bastards is more serious than you think. It would have meant the death of her kids and herself being disinherited, maybe even killed for treason. It’s one thing to know her children’s true parentage but another thing entirely to make the accusation public. It’s a death sentence, for the accuser if they make such a claim without proof and death for the children if they can prove it. Not saying that Aemond loosing an eye isn’t serious or that there shouldn’t be consequences. I’m just saying that the consequences for Alicent’s children calling their nephews bastards is more serious than people think.

[@EliJustChillin]

Alicent’s mistake was trying an over hand attack, those tend to be easy to stop. She should’ve went with a lunging thrust which has the force of the whole body behind it (making it harder to stop, and easier to parry. But there wouldn’t have been space to parry). Since Rhaenyra was in such tight quarters surrounded by the Sea Snake and his men, and no one was able to stop Alicent before her attack. It’s safe to assume that a thrust would hit its mark. And the whole war between green and black houses could’ve been avoided. Yeah Alicent would’ve been sentenced to death, but the king is too weak of will to have his children with Alicent killed. Once Rhaenyra is gone, Alicent’s eldest would’ve become next in line. And yeah I know killing Rhaenyra would bring trouble from the Sea Snake, but the king has more dragons and Daemon. So they might have gone to war, but the Sea Snake would ultimately lose that war.

[@Shanny102]

I never realized that you kind of see regret in Alicent’s eyes for a second

[@DonEnzone]

There are only shades of grey. Rhaenyra isn't your hero. She's just as flawed as Alicent. Maybe even more so.

[@mohammedmukadam5299]

Not more but she is definitely flawed

[@DonEnzone]

@@mohammedmukadam5299 She was willing to kill her husband to marry her uncle. Pretty flawed.

[@mohammedmukadam5299]

@@DonEnzone did she though?

[@zawa7497]

​@@mohammedmukadam5299she did kill an innocent man