Crisis in Libya: Who's to blame? | UpFront

In this week's UpFront, we talk to the former NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who still maintains the NATO-led air campaign against Muammar Gaddafi in Libya was a "model intervention".
In the Reality Check, Mehdi Hasan explains how, although the refugee crisis in Europe may be overwhelming, the scale of the catastrophe is much worse in Africa.
And in the Arena, we debate the future of an independent Kurdish state in Iraq, and whether it would further destabilise the already war-torn country.
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[@socialstreaming6940]

Libya wasn't just Libya under Gaddafi but it was the economic blueprint of Africa as a continent!

[@juniorsaj1870]

Libya had a surplus...zero debt

[@sanathkumarj8691]

Gaddafi when he died said he will take Libya's greatness with him, he did.

[@soumyakanti17]

Gaddafi was a great ruler. He refused to wag his tail in front of the Western powers. So they killed him.

[@roforever94]

I doubt if he was a great leader. I think leading the revolution and putting end to monarchy was a great deed. I think he reacted senselessly when certain faction op society( with or without help of western government) wanted some change. Ofcourse the western gouvernment, more specifically clintons....and others, with their messiah complex must have been unbearable, but he should have looked for a peaceful ways before situations got out of hand.

[@EconomiKally]

Rohite Rai gadafi was a great ruler indeed. NATO with others destroyed a financialy stable country and tore it into pieces n made the people suffer . Watch the rebel leaders' interviews, even they blame the west for stopping the support after the victory and leaving the country for all terrorist organizations to take over. Hope libia will be stable n people will have peace under Gaddafi's son.

[@vjoh42]

@@kevintheminion1497 your right but the problem with that is that Russia intervened and stood up for Syria slowing that plan down

[@ruganzureggie385]

If only the public knew why Gadhafi was REALLY murdered in the first place

[@arieadajar]

Carl karoli care to explain (from your perspective) why??

[@ruganzureggie385]

Glazecoat Epoxy nope won't even divulge in that with someone on KZbin, try research

[@arieadajar]

Carl karoli already did (partially) and end up with confusing conclusions on who were telling the truth, thus whose perspectives were truly truthful. Gadaffi performed well during his earlier reigns with all the free amenities, houses, and education, etc. , and thus loved by his country men. However, it wasn't clear to me for how long was that. Some narrated that because of corruption, tribal and political unrests and conflicts, domestic violence, human rights violations, and Gaddaffi's hold to stay in power, all in all resulted to rebellion of some Libyans. and thus the international community (specifically the members of NATO) had to "help" Libya. Since Libya is a country with tons of oil reserves and whilst Gaddafi was gaining international admirations. But he cannot be subdued by other oil-producing countries or that he is disrupting the usual oil-business, they said. So to seize his control over these vast reserve and influence, competitors or those who perceived him as threat trained and provide financial and military assistance to the rebels (who later rebranded as Al-Q, ISIS/ISIL among other terrorist, as mentioned by some reports) to cause internal disability. Another narrative mentioned that the corruption was done because Gaddaffi uses the money to bribe some international leaders (some cited France Former PM Sarkovsky??) to side him (purpose not clear to me). Some reports mentioned that Gaddafi was against the idea of a pipeline (was it Libya or another Country that logistically hinder their goal). Some said the he refused to supply oil to some countries. Who knows what really is the truth? Who really must be blame? That is why I was asking.

[@ruganzureggie385]

Glazecoat Epoxy the truth is gadhafi had operated a very secret project delegating the AU to draft a bill that would regulate and unite all African currency under a gold standard much like the US during the early 20th century except they'd be using their own manufactured gold forms of money. This of course would mean making Africa a more united economy and break off heavily from the world bank. Officials from ethiopia Rwanda Tunisia Mali have reported to this and to many African outlets this is common knowledge. The world powers today cannot be maintained unless Africa is contillualy handicapped from abuse of their resources and little back profit

[@arieadajar]

AU, African Union? This is new info for me and I guess, that will be a revolutionary idea for Africans. Africans uniting and supporting each other more and standing on their own. No wonder major world banks, see him as a threath. Never heard this from any of the major Western Media Sources wherein most international news were duplicated and relayed to their Asian outlets. Only the atrocities of Gaddaffi's regime was recycled. Could you suggest another reliable African news channels (aside from Alzajeera? It's better to have more sources and different versions of information and cross-checking them. Thank you. Anyway, what happen now to the AU movement??

[@adelinodenga5184]

Let me get it straight, NATO is the organisation that went into Libya and helped to create this current crisis, however they expected the UN to come and basically clean their mess. If they seriously wanted to help Libya, they should have carefully thought about a comprehensive plan to build Libya after Qaddafi was gone.

[@joshuaemanuel4625]

Well said.

[@captureart2719]

Do their care all the wanted was the oil like the do in Iraq yet the won’t stop at all cost yet prêtent to help African while the loot

[@pyrosardukar]

Is that the best spokesman nato could find!? What a clown.

[@samygait2531]

Even when you get any other spokesman, the truth will remain the same.

[@abdifupi2587]

These guys need to be held accountable for their crime . You did not leave you are where the oil is .

[@mkafshar1]

Wow Mehdi, you are the strongest journalist I have ever seen in my long life. Your work is so important for humanity. I wish you good health and long life of service.

[@MrAshuxp]

they prevented gaddafi but aided isis

[@sandracognet4008]

All responsible for crime against humanity should be punish, and hold accountable.

[@s.sudanesemusicszone597]

Gaddafi will remained the greatest leader who really know what humanity is

[@VasSagar]

Fogh Rasmussen in 2003(when he was Danish PM) "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is not something we think. We know it."..

[@muiggz84]

French ,American and NATO

[@sina4796]

***islam

[@hassanalbolkiah127]

International Jews. They simply don't like Islam because Islam bans Jewish banks and degenerate liberalism and uses gold as currency rather than paper.

[@jacksurajbansi7973]

BAJI RAO PESHWA very well said

[@NuuAfrica]

These ppl talk about killing a leader of a sovereign country like they have the right, like their killing a cockroach.

[@mahameddaramy3305]

this man is the biggest Leia I've ever heard talking.

[@temitopeomotosho5290]

Gaddafi is the voice to the voiceless and man of the people

[@istrokepussy]

Obama/Hillary is to blame

[@BlacklivesMatterJDAOIJDA]

No they aren't.

[@filipepedro8272]

Yes they are​@BlacklivesMatterJDAOIJDA

[@jumajasjas2925]

"The crisis is only a crisis when it's washed up in shores of Europe"

[@FM-ej6kt]

How much of their gold, oil and other natural resources is now in your hands...

[@Yorubapod]

And that fellow Rasmussen was a head of state of a country? Well....

[@fathel9221]

Yorubapod he's the danish version of George bush

[@TheKitbonn]

I am embarrassed to be Danish! - And I voted for AFR...

[@soumyakanti17]

Rasmussen is a neocon

[@hamzariazuddin424]

When was this interview done?

[@chickenslayer6293]

the guy at the start was a worst guess than the Kenyan ambassador woman who answered nothing

[@hbjaffri]

NATO... Gets oil and gold from Libya?....

[@ahmedal-abdulla7630]

"ya ya what? you are not telling the truth?" Mehdi Hassan is hilarously bold

[@joeblack1126]

I just can't listen to his lies and excuses, how can this monster sleep.

[@Zoran237]

5min50sec. "yeah yeah" lool hypocrisy at his highest

[@guramritpalsingh6778]

Putting everything on the UN. Yeah what a stupid answer.

[@mountainfrost7095]

Can this video be circulated more as NATO intension on Ukraine seems relevant now.

[@ewallacestudent1]

Don't forget the ruler of NATO (at the time Obama) got away with so many crimes and lousy Hillary was almost elected forget being tried for crimes against humanity.

[@ronniexsteen916]

i am so ashamed about A.Fog.... greetings from denmark

[@FM-ej6kt]

They all bare the responsibility 100%%%%%

[@sammisamim6353]

Libya was the best country in the world under Ghadaffi but unfortunately US and NATO destroyed it iot to steal their oil, natural resources and etc

[@steveennever9905]

"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is not something we think. We know it. Iraq has itself admitted that it had mustard gas, nerve gas, anthrax, but Saddam will not settle. He will not tell us where and how the weapons have been destroyed. We know from the UN inspectors, so there is no doubt in my mind." - Anders Fogh Rasmussen

[@gibraelpanayaman2218]

Life of this guy i not enough to pay the chaos they cause in Libya

[@syedhashmi8398]

You didn't conclude anything you murdered Gaddafi

[@rum1pole]

War criminal ? This operation has open Europe to mass migration . Nice , great job .

[@davethegreat986]

libya was creating a economic blue print not only for libya but also for Africa as a whole

[@osmandarbo1759]

Gadafil time is better than now,

[@kareemsheikh5245]

Libya , A country who cuts his own feet.

[@ronniexsteen916]

Anders.Fog just wrote a book about the US, The ruler of the world( world police) it made me feel sick, just to see him tell about it

[@chalwekabifya8762]

Aw 弄truth in this world Who is the international security?

[@samiralgeria6507]

NATO, Gaddafi forever

[@munamazen2632]

Lets everyone makes his own country what's happening on earth 👿

[@zekhong]

Rasmussen -Remember "all men are created equal". Respect others as equal human beings. Respect their wish . their custom and their belief..Wold policeman " who is requesting ?World has over 7 billions people.

[@wolfsettgast4945]

IMMATURE CONTENT 😁😆😅 Indeed! (thanks to Mehdi, who´s a true child of ressentment)

[@MrGreghome]

I like how Medi preaches his beliefs during the intermission in almost all his videos now......sometimes about Islam, sometimes about refugees crisis, but also biased against the West.

[@fixheadstrong]

Hey you i am from Thailand 🇹🇭 I watched the west did to Muslim countries

[@robheusd]

Rasmussen sounds like drunk - the NATO policy against Libya was drunk. It was not based on facts.

[@elmatheus2917]

He does sound drunk. This is a man who have claimed he completly stayed away from alkohol, something he stated back when he was prime minister of Denmark. A lot of danish news articles have since stated those claims were not true. And now just a month ago he appeared in a tv program where he was drinking wine during a roadtrip through out europe. He also played a big part in getting my country to participate in wars in the middle east based on false pretenses, and despite insufficient votes in our parlament to allow us to even do so according to law. That is what landed him the job in Nato in the first place. He sold out his country, yet the ordinary person in Denmark is not aware of this. If you tell them, they simply say this is not true and that could never happen. I dont trust this guy. And its amazing how some one who probably speaks english on a daily basis still sounds like he just came out of his hill billys fathers farm just yesterday.

[@ismaylisha8151]

this is very good journalist... you only work for the wrong station.. al jazeera is also to blame for what happens in libya... remember the first media lies?

[@TheBurg1207]

Growth of intratribal warfare - How about we blame the tribes. Growth of ISIS - How about we blame ISIS

[@osotrk514]

This people don't even know how to lie.

[@Nandinandito]

This dude is tremendously annoying, which is a pity, because he has some good points.

[@positronhaberdashery1583]

why did aljazeera want qadafi out

[@menzimkhwane5774]

No accountability whatsoever

[@FM-ej6kt]

As usual, you never take responsibility for your messes worldwide. How bad was he when all you did is destroy that country...

[@syntheticdawn4992]

Anders is a real life Villain reminding me of Gul Dukat in star trek , It was a modern intervention he is like saying we killed so many people and women and children and i would kill them again if he opposed our order . True face of Evil!!!

[@anoushmis1646]

This man is a bad man

[@-k--2965]

I wouldn't call him a "man."

[@orhanstar2791]

Who is the "guest"? Let him speak! Change this approach ! Now that you know everything, why do you invite people ?!

[@slowrichclub6756]

That NATO should be punished ?

[@kgbpomp7751]

They must rebuild lebia

[@permata6]

Hahaha people of europe, take ur sin. Now u're caretaker for them, from those war u've started.

[@larrysherk]

Rasmussen is right. The "intervention", which was strictly delineated from above, was neatly done, but there was no follow up whatever. Bottom line is the intervention was totally stupid because it was an isolated act and not part of a long plan to rebuild Libya. Rather typical of Hillary Clinton's Neocon plan to solve every problem with explosives. Also, the interviewer is not interested in learning anything from Rasmussen; he is only interested in his preordained script punctuated with skeptical scowls. He already knows his preferred answers and is only interested in a fictional argumentation. Al Jazeera can do better.

[@Snowland_Man]

Narrow Association Thirsty oligarchies must be over thrown. It's a disaster to have them on earth since they don't have humanity and brotherhood at all.

[@bobsanto4696]

This is thier first and the last time to see nato in Africa. This people should stop thinking they are masters of the world. Who gave them power over to go everywhere to bombe

[@empraapple-tonvevo3325]

Africa is not an aspiring ground... That u learn ur mistakes from?? Come on guys☹️☹️

[@mikitang]

reason, domination of dinar gold against US petrdollar

[@katszidane6854]

Libyans stop being confused by Americans, you're the one's how fought gaddafi 's regime no you're crying

[@omarsadiqYouTube]

They killed my leader

[@H1storyGuyVODS]

Well it was either they went in and killed Gaddafi or sat back and watched him pull an Assad. Honestly there was no good answer there.

[@Hagser]

Long live arabian spring revolution! may you rest in peace Mohammed Bouzazi!

[@bernajean1828]

the cowboys brought the freedom.

[@L_MAO_]

It was a surgical strike on him

[@onderepaul4972]

a

[@chickenslayer6293]

it's obvious that Libya would still be on its two feet if nato hadn't done anything. sure he might of disobed UN rights but now 3 factions are in Libya ;one being Isis.

[@christophlieding734]

Libya is the worse state in the whole wide world and on top of it its getting worse. What the Nato did there their is NO excuse >none. I mean look at that situation, its unreal, there are no words, only war and destruction and its getting worse, much worse by the minute.

[@chickenslayer6293]

christoph lieding it's very true I mean Isis is now in the doth east of libya

[@kelvinngugi2947]

The reason i support kim jun of north korea i love dictators

[@klansix]

the religious ideology is to blame

[@shalaws]

The KRG representative is a JOKE. A politician? yes. But also a joke and a liar as most are. I wish MEHDI had followed up on the answers and asked 1 or 2 more questions.

[@Hagser]

Dictators get what they deserve!

[@comingtoosoon7363]

CHRISTIAN who love war NOT muslim

[@pamalickbojang1877]

American's and neto

[@bapu78]

all who killed gaddafi

[@muhameddinow7744]

Libyan people ar sufrng bcz Of you I think u nw that

[@liamfarhan5168]

Libya is very beautiful compared to earlier 😂. Libya without gadafi is nice 😂

[@prismaticelastin6615]

Liam Shady lmao , Where?

[@maalikislam1393]

mehdi hassan is shi'a raafidah enemy of Islam. And in this climate where the raafidah is fighting Islam, then it is not proper to employ an enemy.

[@patrickformert8460]

You and your mobspoiled Africa