Indonesia: Dutch sorry for independence war ‘extreme violence’

The Dutch Prime Minister has apologised to Indonesia for what is described as 'systematic and widespread extreme violence' used by the Dutch army during Indonesia's War of Independence.
Mark Rutte says the government takes responsibility for the war crimes committed in the former colony.
Al Jazeera's @Victoria Gatenby reports.
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[@saktipardano7099]

Yaa he might be 50% javanese but he spend all of his live in rich country that can provide him better education, better healthcare system, good nutrision everyday that has been shove to his mouth by the colonized country like indonesia... How dare he said that its normal to have violance in a war when the netherland brought guns and bombs and indonesia just have rocks and bamboo to fight back ??.

[@_j5749]

He is not javanese

[@7zuga883]

He's not Javanese, he also not represent Javanese people even Indonesia its self. Javanese people character not like that, its so easy he say "war crimes is normal", wth on his mind ?

[@esashaik1372]

Indonesia is projected to be the world's 4th biggest economy and be one of the world's major powers so the Dutch want good relations with Indonesia.

[@aitaisakura4281]

Gold, oil, palm oil and gas. Ehhehehehe

[@makara2711]

Those Dutch! Better for Indonesia to stick with its true friends! Its neighbors!

[@moonchild7790]

Yeah, they need to play good friend. Eat the pride! Tricky Dutch!!

[@indonesianaspie5279]

Ya kan? Hati-hati biasanya ada maunya 😒

[@fimul5862]

@@indonesianaspie5279 bukan biasanya, tapi EMANG PASTI ABSOLUTELY ADA MAUNYA. All the situations, multidimensional crisis now udah ngarah k potensi "war tendency",,,, jd mulai banyak yg coba2 collab sana sini. Maafin boleh, tapi inget betapa brengs*knya mereka saat kita boleh merdeka dengan syarat wajib bayar semua hutang2 perang mereka juga. Silahkan cek buku2 sejarah, jurnal2 artikel sejarah Indonesia. Stay alert.

[@muhammadrajendra6386]

if indonesia was to ask the Netherlands to return whatever the VOC took from indonesia.. they will forever be in debt 😂.

[@michaelmoonen799]

ye but good luck making a european pay back money to some asian country

[@YouOnUsPath]

Indonesia motto, we forgive but not forget ✌🏼

[@lookingtothehorizon5103]

Who will forgive who? They must pay reparations..

[@REPUBLIKOFNIAS]

@@lookingtothehorizon5103 yes its thrue

[@arisuryaramadhan2427]

No one cares

[@YouOnUsPath]

@@lookingtothehorizon5103 agreed, at least now they tried bring back the stolen our artefacts etc

[@Your_Beautiful_Sister_Is_Mine]

That's obviously not specifically Indonesian motto, that's the motto of every single Internet keyboard warrior actually.

[@somethink.g]

"it was very violence, on all sides" Like lol, what do you expect when trying to take someone land? Give you some orange juice? Or wash your feet?

[@rizkaafiahutami2794]

the most epic comment!

[@devitaromlah2866]

More like served them Nasi goreng than just orange juice LOL

[@kaniadina]

Well said👍👍

[@happynappyable]

Dutch also brought enslaved Indonesians and west Africans to work on a cape colony when they colonized South Africa . Van Riebeeck wanted to enslave the locals who had a year early rescued a Dutch ship and hosted its people with great hospitality. He read their kindness as weakness . The company refused his request to enslave locals because they still felt indebted to how they had not only rescued their employees but kept them in great hospitality till Van Riebeevk came to get them so they approved Van Riebeeck to bring slaves from west Africa and Botavia , later indentured servants from India were brought too .

[@guleet75]

They also took slaves from Madagascar !

[@zunriya]

dont forget they sell slave to us too on suriname

[@Your_Beautiful_Sister_Is_Mine]

Our proto-human ancestors might've also had commited savagery too, but are we modern time people to blame because of their wrongful actions?

[@happynappyable]

@@Your_Beautiful_Sister_Is_Mine nobody is blaming anybody in modern era . If you inherited a house from your grandparents, you inherit the good and bad about it , so it’s providing shelter but if the house needs fix , you current occupant need to fix it even though you didn’t build it . The issues we’re facing is not blaming but you can’t benefit from it and not address the wrong too that still affect societies that are living today . It’s not so long ago that the effects are not there .

[@Your_Beautiful_Sister_Is_Mine]

@@happynappyable Just be blunt and tell us that you only need our $!

[@OsamaSaeed972]

The words from the Dutch govt are welcome. But what are they going to do to in terms of restitution? Even the optics of Rutte’s apology are poor. Instead of standing behind a podium, go meet the relatives of victims and say it in person.

[@justinwhite2813]

We United states was go to put sanctions on Dutch government so bad we Cripple Dutch government they don't give independence to Indonesia .

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

Ikr. 4.3 Billion Dollars in 1949 equates to 52.6 Billon Dollars in todays rate.

[@paulclement4860]

The Dutch colonization of the Indonesian nation left a debt of 16 trillion and the economy was damaged, said the finance minister Sri Mulyani Indrawati

[@someoneelse6900]

exactly why would i forgive their war crime

[@rahman9749]

I am a grandson of an Indonesian war veteran who fought in the independence war (my grandpa survived the war unlike around 100 men of his unit). I am proud to say that my grandfather was one of the heroes for Indonesia yet my father and mother went to study and acquired their postgrad degree in the Netherlands and I was born there too. Personally I have mixed feelings about the apology as I also gain benefit from the Netherlands but I dont think these apology will change anything that has happened or will happen significantly. I just hope that if the Dutch government is truly sincere about the apology they will lend a hand on helping Indonesia with its problems to create a better future for all of us although it will never change what already happened.

[@user-vr6io5xb9e]

Stockholm syndrome is real

[@dinisong4063]

@@user-vr6io5xb9e agree

[@ayusuatika3688]

And how bout B4NZ4I 🇯🇵🇯🇵, did they ask to forgive After what their Dones?

[@eriksonyw]

I understand that u having mixed feelings being a mix-blood, and true that apology won't change what has already happened. However, it is also an official recognition and regret for the wrongdoings the Dutch nation has done during the war, which is better than a denial without regret. I hope u can understand this.

[@rahman9749]

@@eriksonyw thats why I have mixed feelings for it....the apology is good and appreciated but it wont mount to anything if it ends with a mere apology. A good gesture, but almost meaningless as it is.

[@EthaniskyHilderman]

As Indonesian Dutch, we already know that our anchestor's cruel action during colonization, but super glad after found old photos of my great grandfather with smle rifle and wore the Indonesian TKR uniform, proud he sided with the Republican in revolution war (1945-1949)

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

Did you know your country also extort us for 4.3 Billion Dollars in 1949 to stop harrasing us? Or we get economic embargoes. It is equal 52.6 bilion dollars in todays money. After this, we might have war reparations.

[@hanrianangga2608]

Who is he? Sorry for asking

[@saepudinastronk5507]

what's done is done. look at our relation with Japanese today. we understand if a person are sincere or not, were not that dumb. as our elders always said, History as a lesson, not as a barometer to judge individuals. especially to those who had not live to commit such a crime. just chill.

[@julesherman6802]

just chill? Are you kidding me. The netherland didnt even acknowledged their war crimes, and forced Indonesian govt paid compensation for their leaving Indonesia. Chill? Amsterdam was built by Indonesian blood you fool. Well ... I could 'chill' if the Dutch pay back the compensation for their 350 years invasion

[@saepudinastronk5507]

@@julesherman6802 your opinion

[@saepudinastronk5507]

@@julesherman6802 and what is it with these money obession? that money ain't going to bring back anyone to life. it just better that they acknowledge their mistake and have a shame not to put their hands on other's property again, and move on. we can managed on our own since Independence, we don't need a toxic Ex keep coming back to tell they are sorry and being a nuisance, instead giving a moral support to move on, or better yet leave us alone. keep your money, it only become a memento of horrible past.

[@blacklightning6144]

To be recognized by the world, you don't need to be colonizers, just be a good human being

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Deeper Inside Dutch Indonesia

[@Joy3269]

Wonderful Thought, May God Bless You Brother. The World Today Needs People Like Yourself. We are proud of you. May God Bless You. Amen. 🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐🌹🌹🌹🌷🌷🌷🌸🌸🌸🌺🌺🌺👍👍👍🌻🌻🌻👏👏👏👍👍👍🙂🙂🙂.

[@mpesmail1834]

Which war? Did the indenesians came to Netherlands? Did they kill Dutch people at their lands? It was the Dutch who went to Indonesia, and colonized it, and when people resisted being colinized? They call it a war? That's not war.

[@moonchild7790]

There was a war of independence between 1945-1949 after Indonesia declared independence, and Japan surrendered. the Dutch came back to take what they thought was theirs. It was nasty! My late grandfather witnessed it, my dad remembered the struggle, even he was only 9 back then.

[@mpesmail1834]

@Moonchild So what i say is simple Any country that colonizes another country is in fact an illegal occupier. They have no right. And the locals who fight with occupiers, even killing them are resistant fighters and not terrorists. Its their right to kick out occupiers by whatever means. Women, children and old people, and those who give their back running away, should be spared.

[@guleet75]

@CAPTAIN HOOK No they did NO T ! Remember all of North Africa which was either Jewish or Christian !! The same goes for the Levant region present day Lebanon Syria and Palestine ,The religion was adopted voluntarily Not by force !!!

[@hazanghideyoshi]

@CAPTAIN HOOK you are out of this topic. this is indonesia not medina not pakistan or morocco. we are talking about indonesia and you talking about middle east. i will never talk about native american when someone talk about indonesia. because it will make me look so stupid and out of topic.

[@hazanghideyoshi]

@CAPTAIN HOOK better read my comment nicely . thats what im saying. I WILL NEVER TALK ABOUT NATIVE AMERICAN WHEN IM TALKING ABOUT INDONESIAN. WHILE YOU TALKING ABOUT ARAB PEOPLE WHEN THE TOPIC IS INDONESIA.

[@moonchild7790]

How about giving back what you robbed from Indonesia?!!

[@oliva6352]

Yeah Indonesian should give back what they robbed from East Timor

[@fajar.fajri.]

@@oliva6352 indonesia didn't robb anything from timor. Neither natural resources nor wealth can be found in timor. Educate yourself please.

[@saktipardano7099]

@@oliva6352 ya true, east timor didn't contribute in indonesia's income, instead indonesia had to share them some, when they are still one of indonesia's province. Look how they are now... Is independence do they any good ?. Australia suck their oil and leave all problem back to them all...

[@moonchild7790]

@@oliva6352 Tell that to your Aussie buddy!!

[@habibihibana8222]

@@oliva6352 your opinion doesn’t matter lmao

[@muhammadhanif4113]

I'm telling you,every country that need EV need nickel to make battery, Indonesia is biggest nickel producer. That's why many countries try building or repairing diplomacy ties with us.

[@alfonsoyouth44]

Don't let Malaysia see this. They are very jealous of Indonesia, they have the desire to be like Indonesia without thinking about its history

[@tatakrama]

In the round table agreement, Indonesia paid for the war costs incurred by the Dutch. Therefore, since the Dutch apologized for their war crimes, the money had to be returned to Indonesia.

[@paulclement4860]

In the 1949 round table conference the Netherlands recognized Indonesia's sovereignty on the condition that it was obliged to pay the Dutch East Indies debt of 4.3 billion guilders to the Dutch government

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

@@paulclement4860 dollars mate. Not guilden. In 1949 because WWII, gulden was almost worthless so those meneer and their Koniginen (Queen) demanded Indonesia paid restitution in US dolars. Talk about robbers

[@lorigetz4489]

@@nurlindafsihotang491949 was not that long ago. I didn’t realize the Dutch were such a-holes and the Koreans worship them like thunder gods.

[@AR-bh3mn]

Bagaimana mereka menembak seorang ibu Yang tidak memiliki apa2 Sembari memohon ibu tersebut bersujud kepada para veteran belanda " ampuni kami meneer, kami sudah tidak memiliki apapun lagi " Setelah orang2 kita dirampok dijarah dan dijajah....... Orang2 belanda itu pergi mencuri harta kekayaan kita dan melupakan semua sejarah kekejaman mereka selama ratusan tahun....... 😡 Dan setelah kita merdeka, Belanda datang kembali dan kembali melakukan kekejaman lagi kepada indonesia dengan membawa Sekutu Yang Disebut Pasukan Inggeris!! 🇳🇱🇬🇧 Bullshit..........!!!!!

[@ignatiusryd2031]

That son of Dutch soldier (KNIL) that were saying violence is normal during the war need to get a first hand taste how it feels like to see their own family members (all civilians) mowed down by machine gun when they tried to run from the invading enemy forces. Cursed him

[@SonyStudioPro]

I’m not sure in what world you live in but he’s absolutely right… in every war there is raging violence (WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, Balkan War, Africa Wars etc)… so i suggest you go back to school and take a lesson or 2 in war crimes committed by all countries who were involved in every wars…!

[@eriksonyw]

@@SonyStudioPro But u have to see which side was the invader. In this case, it was the Dutch.

[@teenlabil8701]

@@SonyStudioPro but it is all started because of the act of the dutch, they are the one who start the war, thats a fact, and Indonesian only defend their land, so it is right and must for the dutch goverment to asking for apologize, cause they are the one who started it all, you also should learn this basic logic ! Before telling someone to go back to school, duh

[@SonyStudioPro]

@@eriksonyw read my comment…!

[@eriksonyw]

@@SonyStudioPro I've already read your ridiculous and problematic comment before and after I posted my response.

[@Clip_Gallery]

We forgive but will never forget

[@PKVlog418]

Sorry isn’t enough for Indonesia they have pay more for the bill on what happened in the past

[@ararara751]

Indonesian goes to superpower for future, dutch want to be partner for economic , this is politic

[@LIANSYAH121]

they see Indonesia in the future will be great. can forgive but we can't forget

[@tatakrama]

These war crimes should be included in the Dutch school curriculum

[@remcon559]

They literally are

[@vickygalih5571]

they are included

[@Yodawes]

It is very prevalent! I'm a history student at a Dutch university, and we have lots of researchers, professors, and lecturers who are super anti-imperialist and teaching us daily about Indonesia. We also have a lot of research institutes that have contributed to the discourse. As you can see in the report, the only guy they found was "a son of a KNIL soldier" of course he is baised and wouldn't want to speak ill of his father. But the general opinion is anti-Dutch in colonial Indonesia discourse. Brothers forever 🇮🇩 ❤ 🇳🇱

[@ojervicaya1765]

Dutch’s liberation day should be renamed to “hypocrisy day” or “recolonization day”. I’m sure the dutch master race would be proud of that.

[@tonianto7741]

Bahkan tidak sepatutnya Pengadilan Internasional berkantor di Belanda, Yang Hakekatnya adalah Bangsa yang menyandang Gelar Penjahat perang

[@wahyun4244]

drpd inggris masih harus ngakui ratu Inggris

[@budak7995]

1 millions apologize is never enough.. But let us move on..

[@rgb9795]

right!

[@IDMarketer]

We just need 1 apology and move on

[@user-zk6fv7sq7m]

the Indonesian people will not forget

[@user-vk5cl6ov1y]

It hurts..when they treated indonesian 'inlander' as lowest class citizen in the society...denied basic educations, yet they took everything from indonesia to build beautiful den haag, amsterdam, groningen...not again..

[@sssss1376]

Love ındonesia from turkey ❤🇹🇷🇲🇨❤

[@muhamadirfanisamily7663]

Aceh indonesia ❤🇮🇩 🇹🇷 Turkish

[@buttxr703]

The Dutch: "Sorry Indonesia mb" Also the Dutch: "OUR EMPIRE WAS THE GREATEST EMPIRE EV-"

[@linaandriani5257]

Bruh imagine losing from a bambo are skill Issue 💀💀💀💀🤡🤡🤓🤓

[@asdawasda]

@@linaandriani5257Indonesia literally lost militarily, they won diplomatically

[@pirsaint449]

Can such an apology ever come from British crown and government on all the atrocities committed around the world? Let alone any compensation?

[@TheHHIPPO]

That will never happen in our lifetime or even our childrens.

[@bitTorrenter]

No, and stop asking for one.

[@neilnelson7603]

Actually, the British handle its atrocities very well. In Kenya, they partially compensated some of the living victims and descendants.

[@Your_Beautiful_Sister_Is_Mine]

You're probably that person who always whines and blames on either U.S or British for every personal hardship you endure. lol

[@ludai602]

you never read history don't you...

[@ravivaldipermana2484]

Yes, just an apology, but after the Round Table Conference in Den Haag, Indonesia was actually required to compensate 4.5 billion gulden 😂 what the evil dutch

[@janaert4359]

European governments have cost so much loss to other smaller countries in the world! loss of life, culture, economic prosperity and many more! Apologies are just the start, reparations Must begin, sooner or later!

[@oliva6352]

Nope why should they pay for something they had nothing to do with

[@oliva6352]

@@jimmye5700 that's exactly why Indonesian invaded East Timor to access the oil that is under East Timor sea bed

[@rishideosaran3801]

@@oliva6352 Timor was also colonized by Portugal, what you’re saying only supports the point that reparations are necessary. To resolve the legacies of colonialism. And if you knew anything about these countries you’d know that the hierarchies of power and wealth are there are closely linked to which families got rich off colonial exploitation and violence because colonialism is an ongoing process. It’s not in the past for the colony, only the colonizer has the luxury of saying so.

[@LIANSYAH121]

@@oliva6352 Indonesia invaded East Timor to access the oil that is under East Timor sea bed ? Nice joke

[@teenlabil8701]

@@oliva6352 hey olivia what is your problem with Indonesian ?, come on come to Indonesia, let me wash your mouth with spices, these spices is what all those dutch people wanted during the colonialism era, and they killed hudred of thousands of people for that, for about 300 years, and they also did devide et imprea, maybe after i wash your mouth you can stop being a psycho

[@deprataone389]

OK, apology accepted. but the Dutch must compensate for the damage, looting and loss of life for more than 300 years. If estimated up to this year, the Netherlands will have to pay trillions of dollars to Indonesia..

[@AndiArim]

​@kenyoh475 Unfortunately, Indonesia has to pay the Netherlands

[@YouTubeMviewsminutesago]

they did it twice. first, king apologized a year ago, now prime minister.

[@ornachia2489]

1:47 Just because you 50% Javanese, doesn't mean you can speak for all of us.

[@hazanghideyoshi]

ya thats true. i bet his indonesian ancesstor is the one who working side by side with the dutch (invader) to kill indonesian people (his own people) and destroy the republic. and his indonesian ancesstor is NOT representing indonesian people at all. It is right to call them PENGHIANAT!

[@devitaromlah2866]

Did HE said he speak on your behalf too?? I don't think so. Youre just being sensitive

[@pogogod6036]

What's done is done we got no hard feeling towards the Dutch people. I respect our grandfathers and grandmothers who went to war with almost zero odds of winning but today Indonesia is a sovereign nation and our war today is to recover the economy after hundred of years of setback. I hope we can repay the sacrifices and struggle for independence and not to put them to waste.

[@liqiz1755]

Your European Master! 😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@AndiArim]

​@@liqiz1755I don't want another war with the Netherlands. I want the Dutch people to also feel what they did to the Indonesian people

[@linaandriani5257]

Giving money as apoligies Will not do anything. Will still remember our history.

[@riairawan627]

Visit Indonesia and Apologize directly to the people

[@REPUBLIKOFNIAS]

We are young generation we not forget and will always remember dutch crime in our country.. 👊

[@bisel2323]

Well, in my opinion, the reason why the Dutch need to apologize(although I agree violence is happening for both sides), is because the Dutch is the one who started it and basically the agressor. In my school, we taught that the Dutch were very welcomed at first. And then they monopolize the trade and meddling with local conflicts, thus leading to the death of hundred thousands of Indonesians. Well, history is a lesson. And for a bit more POV, my Grandfather is a veteran from Indonesia. He's from Kediri, but stationed at Semarang. He loves telling the story on how he and his squad ambushes the Dutch convoy, and running away from machine guns and mortars while laughing. I swear it. He seems overjoyed and said, "Who said risking life is terrifying? It's fun you know. We run and run, the ground is exploded around us, while the Dutch shooting at us using their machine guns".

[@MrBoliao98]

Masuk utan, orang putih punya takut

[@kimashitawa8113]

Your grandpa sounds like a badass

[@francobaschetti]

Weak government

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

4 years long? No bro, 10 years and more

[@jadeandmax]

Too little too late? As an Indonesian, I just hope this is not happening today. we cannot change the past. 🙏🏼

[@deffcloth6267]

We will return to the Soekarno era when we were Asian tigers

[@trianawijana1375]

It's not enough to apologize that the Dutch had to pay for the loss of the Indonesian state because the Dutch had committed war crimes against Indonesia and the Dutch had robbed Indonesia's natural resources.

[@trazynthekleptomancer5055]

As indonesian I married a dutch lady so all is forgiven but we don't forget but we move on

[@kareemkalisari]

🇮🇩 maybe yes, we will never forget - 🌍Dutch East Indies.!!!. oh 🟢 Al Jazeera English.. You must know!. That is the world we seek, But we can only achieve it together√. I know there are many -- Muslim and non-Muslim -- who question whether we can forge this new beginning? ... Some are eager to stoke the flames of division. and to stand in the way of progress. Some suggest that it isn't worth the effort -- that we are fated to disagree. and civilizations are doomed to clash. Many more are simply skeptical that real change can occur√. There's so much fear | so much mistrust that has built up over the years. But if we choose to be bound by the past, O 🌏Al Jazeera English! - we .. will never move forward√. Thank you. And May God's peace be upon you all: Indonesian people!. # Thank you. 🌏 ### .

[@putuedwinwibisana6928]

What about before 1945??

[@tommyreusse3858]

Whoops. My bad!

[@mynamejeb8743]

ah yes the "Righteous Allied Forces"

[@user-vv7rr3ls9i]

They never tell you how Sukarno murdered all his opposition. Anyone who did not want to be part of the Totalitarian Republic of Indonesia. Everyone who wanted their own independence and autonomy. Sukarno murdered all Sultans and minority leaders then tried the same in Malaysia Brunei and Singapore.. And now an apology to those murderers .. What a disgrace. Indonesia is a colonial country.

[@alfonsoyouth44]

take care of low country Malaysia, rather than comments about Indonesia

[@darrenalvaro6342]

Forgive not forgotten. Dutch govt should give and facilitate more scholarships (if possible thousands) for Indonesian students studying abroad for free at the expense of Dutch people

[@oliva6352]

Nope. They want scholarships they earn it just like everyone else has too. And give me one goood reason why the Dutch should pay for something they had nothing to do with and why should they pay for what there ancestors did.

[@danistanneveld880]

Why should young Dutch citizens people pay for something they also disgust.

[@darrenalvaro6342]

Exactly! One of thousands reasons is because what their ancestors did! Plus, please do ur own research how netherlands can be a country like we see today. Where did they get the money from to build what they have now

[@teenlabil8701]

@@oliva6352 i see all your comments ! You seems like you are pro to the colonialism, you moron, just mind your own business, you are just a psycho who's love the colonialism ! Back off, you evil monster

[@darrenalvaro6342]

@CAPTAIN HOOK sure bro, every country has its own history. My argument was based on fair judgement. Not hatred towards your country. Just a reminder that every action has consequence. So does guilts come with remorse. My suggestion was to help you and next generation feel ease about what your great grandfathers did to our country. Give back what your ancestors take by offering more n more scholarships as mere compensation to our sad memories during colonial era back then

[@despygurl]

Well, as it should be

[@PissMenn]

Already forgiven since decades ago. Bilateral relationship are great now Netherlands are the largest European investors in Indonesia.

[@user-vv7rr3ls9i]

Indonesia =Dutch East Indies = colonial successor country

[@alfonsoyouth44]

Malaysia is a poor nation of cowards and skilled storytellers. rotten nation

[@Shad_2k]

Waiting for my dutch draft letter🤝🏽

[@astuyogakristanto4856]

It's ok, we Indonesian don't think about it anymore. We focus on the future now, maybe in goodwill give our students study there for free?

[@TheSilverChains]

Sounds great.

[@NotariantoSetyawan23]

do you intent to invest in indonesia

[@harisetiawan4606]

Indonesian always remember what Dutch and Japanese did to us..

[@SharedJoy]

They apologise because they realise that indonesia will become one of the top economy in the world. The Dutchess need to sell their products to indonesia .

[@LukyArakunedesu]

No forgiveness to them.

[@putra_maliki]

yeah imagine being one of the more than 40k unarmed civilians in some province of sulawesi, 15k is some province in java, alone that are killed to scare the Rebel (independence soldier) i don't think it's really mean anything, for me personally i just don't really want to see them again, but as a new generation of Indonesian, take that aside let's work together for the better future...

[@unsyncronize2565]

Since dutch colonized indonesia they become "golden age era" by their "VOC" but its okay, its the past 😹

[@BurungKicauTerbaik]

we Indonesia take advantage but we do not forget the cruelty of the invaders who oppressed our country

[@rohaimiehashim4402]

if they are really sorry for the action, then those that are responsible should be brought to court marshall. Similar to the Serbs for their genocide in Bosnia. 😢

[@banthai2586]

It was not war....but it was the INTRUSION - illegal intrusion on the Indonesian people. Simple word of APOLOGY cannot undo the murder, massacre and genocides of Indonesians. Indonesians are not slaves or indebted to the Dutch. It was not only the people but their lands Dutch confiscated and the all the natural resources robbed and reaped matters the Indonesians pride. APOLOGY does not stand on words but huge amount of compensation need to be paid. Lastly, when does the Dutch do the same to Malaysia and the Malaysians?? Your 400 years of colonisation and equal ill-treatment to Indonesians are the same to us. We need your answers.

[@TKDragon75]

Sure it was violent on all sides, it was war. But so was Vietnam, and Iraq, and WW2. To say it's okay to commit massacres just because "its war" is like saying Hitler didn't do anything wrong. It is in fact, almost exactly the same as saying that. "It's just war, there is gonna be violence." The Dutch: Murdered up to 100k Indonesians after already enslaving them for 300 years, probably killed way more before the war even happened.

[@serbswaves2303]

Apology is not enough, we want more !

[@bitTorrenter]

The current minister doesn't need to make any apology for a former Govt's role.

[@JOJO-ig2jw]

@@bitTorrenter correct

[@serbswaves2303]

@@bitTorrenter This reply alone will make millions of Indonesians furious. How can you deny the former govt's role ? Once you committed something bad, you must pay something to the victims' families as an apology ! What kind of mindset are you ? Still defending your imperialist ancestors' brutal actions ?

[@serbswaves2303]

@@oliva6352 We did it decades ago. Are you feeling mad imperialist dog ?

[@teenlabil8701]

@@oliva6352 indonesia's former president already did that long time ago during the reign of mr Gusdur, see !! You olivia just a psycho, a maniac who's supporting colonialism, you are moron

[@nikmatdunia2708]

sudah" la minta maaf gak jadi uang juga.kenapa pula belada ini minta maaf terus

[@gamerhalim4717]

At least they apologized

[@desiebawden61]

There are no winners in war 🥺

[@muhammadbagasd6359]

When the dutch good indonesia all welcome at the time no need colonializer your mistakes do with war

[@ariffz8518]

Indonesia

[@wawasan3428]

Deep in my heart & head..... I honor, with you Sir & All........ But those will happen over and over again all of the globe ...during human history ... Till the end of the world..........what d y think? .

[@heldinugrahasuherman7438]

Indonesia 1800 to 1945 forgive but not to forget .

[@budisetiono1752]

1500 an pak... bukan 1800

[@wibowopr952]

an apology will be more meaningful if you return a lot of our country's assets that you robbed in the colonial era for you to use as collateral for your country which is stored in a swiss bank

[@consiglierecambodia9672]

Maybe Rutte can give back the book with Sundanese language (Bahasa Sunda) what the dutch stole from Java. That would be a statement. Then only big words...

[@IErfanCN]

Jejak,..

[@mohammadrustammalik4733]

But still they are human rights defenders like France Dutch America

[@thedukeofholland3926]

So?

[@danishsami8576]

My personal motto when it comes to war times is never forgive never forget

[@antoverstappenburik3711]

Kita sudah dewasa maafkan masalalu.. tapi jangan lupa apa yang di rasakan pendahulu kita..

[@freelife9103]

No sorry. Give 100 Billion US dollars in compensation.

[@phatana2490]

Funny

[@rinopw4262]

Yeaaa

[@kanzozijn2549]

Is Good if you pay

[@Beau83820]

why, money doesn’t solve anything

[@freelife9103]

@@Beau83820 Please transfer all your money to my bank account then

[@rgb9795]

TRICKY DUTCH!!

[@javadwipa5184]

that is called gentelment dutch to ask apologiese to The Indonesian and must pay compensation for the victim not only give compensation to holocust victim

[@kanzozijn2549]

?

[@javadwipa5184]

@@kanzozijn2549 dutch

[@kanzozijn2549]

@@javadwipa5184 what have the holocaust to do With it

[@Xxkofoorirj4kkwnqjqii1u1j1]

Only apology ?? After so many people suffer???

[@phoque121]

Good. An apology when almost all the victims are already dead 🤷‍♂️

[@ornachia2489]

It's European.

[@rinopw4262]

Would u prefer no apology at all?

[@icecp4279]

@@rinopw4262 would prefer they apologized and payed compensation earlier. Them apologizing now means little.

[@mandoist]

Show me a successful culture or country that has a squeaky-clean history. Apologies are not necessary. I feel like they are an embarrassment. And financial reparations to ancestors is a ridiculous notion (except, I suppose, for people reaping rewards for their descendants' suffering).

[@mrkelvin4122]

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte apologizes to Indonesia Finally they Indonesian country accept but not forget.

[@reytheheroraw]

Search Galung-Galung & Raymond Westerling, he said "normal in oorlog (war)", yeah people died and this is normal on the battlefield, but did you really know what war crime means? Execute unarmed people, civilians, rapes, killing POWs & innocents.

[@dioarya6275]

And also H.J. Van Mook took halves of Java as Dutch properties

[@misterx1342]

Are they going to apologise for colonising South Africa next?

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

thaþ was the uk the dutch only held cape of good hope curently cape town and fled into the country afther the british invaded

[@azarya.mosiug]

Come again, we're have special spices

[@azuranurul4852]

Dutch war criminal should be punish

[@justinwhite2813]

The United states of America step an save the dream of independence of Indonesia .

[@johnchow8372]

These are normal behaviour from ALL Colonial powers!

[@hisstory4529]

My grandfather died to defend Indonesian independence. The Dutch soldiers tortured him to death in the prison. The apology may not bring him back. However, my family have forgiven the Dutch since along time ago. We cannot change the past, but we can make a future: a great one.

[@filetwellington5371]

Decent human beings like you are important. A leading example of how mentally strong the Indonesians are 🤝

[@samandiaanjir]

They shouldn't apologize for that They should do worse than that considering how terrible Indonesia is nowadays

[@kraijom319]

Terrible? Indonesia has one of the brightest future's ahead within its socio-economical standing which is due to its internal independence which would not be possible if it was still a dutch lapdog. Indonesia has 170 Billion USD more than the Netherlands from its GDP and a 2022 census as lead that its growth excels the Netherlands. This is also supported by the fact that Indonesia still has an abundance of raw natural resources which allows it to commit towards personalised econonomical growth without major external interference. Though many factors within the Indonesian state needs to be adressed such as living qualities, GDP Per-capita, educational resources, etc. it is far from "Terrible".

[@redityafilzapriatama9385]

Does this have connection with the G20 activities currently taking place in our country? We accept his apology as long as the Dutch government increases the quota for the Orange Tulip Scholarship for the Indonesian students 🙏🙏😀

[@ashadiarif2191]

Waiting for Japan..

[@SewakoRaynor]

Jepang dah lama ngab dia mengakui kesalahan apa yang dia lakukan di Indonesia, mangkanya sekarang banyak kerjasama salah satunya pertukaran Mahasiswa, selain itu Jepang sudah membayar ganti rugi dengan Uang yang banyak

[@mandoist]

Hey Marky... are you also going to apologize to the thousands of sick and dying in 4 or 5 months, and all because you lifted all the Covid safety measures this week?

[@MrStraightlover]

Why it took so long for the Dutch to acknowledged their massacres on tens of thousands of Indonesian civilian people, extra judicial killings, tortures on civilian people of Indonesia?

[@ainmiky4620]

As an Indonesian i am very wary of the Dutch people. I never really like them and feel anger when they come here to visit, live, or vacation. I'm just filled with so much rage when I see them.

[@Yodawes]

That is really not constructive. The Dutch that are alive now aren't the Dutch that did those things to Indonesia and the indonesian people. + those who were in Indonesia were part of the Dutch elite, and have nothing to do with the Dutch people that come to your beautiful country and support the local economy because they are so amazed by the beauty of indonesian culture that they are willing to fly 18 hours around the world to experience it for themselves.

[@gataumales6805]

Im not really suggesting this but if you really hated the dutch that bad, someday in the future you can just visit the cemetery for that dutch ancestor who started this all and probably throw speech hate or anything possible else for what they did in the past at their own grave, tho im going to say this one more time that im not suggesting this, i just feel bad if you throw those anger into some person that never gets involved in the invasion before.