ALL Aluminum!! 😱 FPV Freestyle Frame!! Should Carbon Fiber Be Worried??!!

[@michael.mccauley]

Build it for sure!

[@nitronut1723]

I think aluminum arms within carbon fiber plates would be a better combination than all aluminum. Should you build it? Hell yea !!!

[@califpv]

Good point

[@angrmgmt]

I fully agree, I think a carbon fibre-aluminium-sandwich might be the way to go for durability, but... it's going to be hell to manufacture at a reasonable pricepoint as it requires more tooling, more time on the CNC mill etc. I dont think pressing the sheets with both aluminium and carbon fibre beforehand is viable either, it'll likely have to be glued together after cutting/milling. I'll have to buy some 7075 for making a front "cage" for my frame anyways so I could probably test the theory during the summer just for giggles.. hmm

[@solen1849]

I agree 👍 great idea 💡

[@2toeninja]

Agree

[@johnjonesdronesfpv7939]

I agree. May be aluminum for the base and carbon on the arms comparison of both. ;)

[@theflyingsandalrc]

Let's see a build and flight video

[@birdman316]

hekk ya bro! go for it woooo!!

[@Fly_High_FPV]

I love KinFPV! Great dude, open source 3d print files, listens to customers 🙌

[@Fly_High_FPV]

(I'm still flying carbon with Ti reinforced bits)

[@LG-yu8yx]

I did this 8 years ago with an old street sign and a scroll saw. I traced out an old zmr 250 with a sharpie. My first attempts led to a few things shorting out but after I black taped my electronics it was ok. I abandoned it and starting flying whoops a few months later. Cool to see someone else try it and do it the right way.

[@kurtzFPV]

I'd like to see how it holds up. It's a great looking frame, and would be nice to build if it passes the bash test.

[@earry509fpv]

#KinFPV. I love this company!! Super awesome people! And I love their frames too!! Solid AF!!!!

[@zeejimi4044]

I made a (large) V-tail quadcopter in wood, and it flies like a dream. Due to the stresses and strains during flying however, the arms tend to loosen, and therefore I am considering re-making the frame in aluminium OR by reinforcing the screwed joints with aluminium around the wooden arms, that is, by inserting the square (cross-section) wooden arms into pieces of hollow aluminium profiles, thus combining the advantageous properties of both material in one construction. Replacing a broken wooden arm is neither a lot of work, nor does it involve high costs.. any comments/input = welcome ! 👍

[@tonymorgan328]

Thanks for the informative video on the aluminum frame Drainman. Would love for you to do a build video on this frame with a flight test.

[@subsonikfreq]

I fly the Ayla myself. And KinFrames are serious business. I can’t wait to see you get that built up and rip it. Its gonna hold up regardless. Nice vid Drainman.

[@retrodudefpv]

Really looking forward to following this one. I'm really hoping it can take a lot more routine crashes. It'll start off a new trend in frames

[@yonseimatt]

I'd be interested to see about the resonance characteristics, there's a chance it could be a huge tuning fork. Carbon is pretty good at damping resonance and vibration, there's better of course (like wood or bamboo) but it's maybe the best all rounder. I have built bamboo micros, never looked at gyro logs but they flew quite nicely.

[@RCOverKill]

Before I watch Im pretty sure it'll bend, and I think the resonance of the aluminum might make it hard to tune, Did you say 240 grams for that frame, Holy shit Drainman that's heavy AF, at least for what I'm used to, I like race frames, but the Lab glide freestyle frame I have is 115 grams. How much is the dry weight of the 240 gram frame build? I took a couple months off, and things changed a lot, but that weight blows me away, maybe I just haven't compared freestyle frames enough.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

On some peoples builds the TPU is about the same weight as the carbon. I too build as light and efficient as possible, makes a huge difference in my eyes.

[@rnr508]

BASH TEST VID PLEASE!!!!!!

[@charleselliott3109]

Can I use the aluminum frame as a vtx antenna while insulating everything else?

[@monkeyfpv7866]

Just ordered one now for my next build project.

[@FLYANDI]

I am really interested in the vibration of this frame. I have the Pyro that is half aluminium and u can hear it resonating at a certain hz .. it does translate into the gyro but it's not bad at all and the normal filtering takes out.

[@monkeyfpv7866]

Get it built bro, let’s see this in action. Might try one if you rate it.

[@nvfpv]

YO WHAT UP DRAIN MAN! My man 😎

[@VitriFly]

#kinfpv all day!!!! The ayla is my favorite!

[@cinemoriahFPV]

The gyro is going to be pissed. How do the noise plots look?

[@nerdCopter]

+1👍 i wanna see weight of aluminum arms on CF frame

[@monkeyfpv7866]

So want one of these but on the site there isn't one frame of any sort in stock.

[@ChrisRiley3D-Everything]

I have a 3in quad made out of Aluminum. 5mm thick it's indestructible! Made it myself to look exactly like the BQE-3AF. Working on an up scaled 5in version now. Videos of me making it are on my channel. A solid bottom plate would have worked better on your quad. Why have replaceable arms with all those bolts when your not going to break it. But i will say your frame does look cool. Thanks for the great ideas brother.

[@TorontoFPV]

Send it! We wanna see!

[@danzii4992]

The aluminum frame website says its not safe and the kinfpv says can't be reached...

[@whtewolf8041]

I want to see it fly. Build it.

[@ghostfpv5504]

Need a Field test! I'd like to see the results.

[@mikaelbackstrom]

Holding up is not the issue, the issues are with vibrations.

[@thepoorboychannel]

Build it! Send it! I like it. However carbon fiber just looks great, and has been tried and true. I'll step back and let the experts decide...then I may make a move on one...maybe.

[@FastSloW-qt8xf]

Definitely gonna bend.. even easier than the titanium. Carbon fiber is Definitely the way to go

[@ChrisRiley3D-Everything]

Not true. my 3in bqe-3af broke so many times i got tired of it and made a replica of it out of 5mm thick Aluminum and it is a tank, indestructible. I am never going back to carbon. im working on a 5in version now with Aluminum. Aluminum will be the future of drone frames.

[@nappyfpv]

Where is everyone getting the Back to the Bando shirts?

[@ckfpv]

Yes please build this and rip it

[@justinslaight]

Love your stuff bro!

[@baggszilla]

Hey DMan I think your scale is off or those frames are tanks! Their website says way less and I do understand tpu have TPU on yours but damn!

[@TimeFadesMemoryLasts]

Carbon fibre can be made significantly stiffer than aluminum while still being lighter, so should carbon fibre be worried: definitely not. I suspect that because of aluminum being less stiff, this might lower the frame's resonance frequency, which is not good and you might have less performance because you need more filtering at lower frequencies.

[@angrmgmt]

I agree, there is also less of a inherent damping effect in billet alu parts than in composite fibre with a 0/90 layup. But then again, filtering is less of a deal than it used to be even if this will likely move some noise down in the quiet band, and those arms are crazy thick... Interesting for sure

[@FLYANDI]

I agree - the same issue is on the half aluminum pyro frame. You can hear the vibration and see it in the gyro but the normal filtering takes it out.

[@rnr508]

Dope Build!!!

[@tristanhouleiphone]

Back to the Bando!!😅 Hahaha- Drainman please build this frame up! If you still have your hobby wing ESC and FC why not use that! I think aluminum will hold up comparably but as you said, we will be dealing with a different noise profile. Please do build so we can see!

[@SuperHalo222]

i'm wating for the graphene infused carbon fiber frames to come out XD

[@tk-maker]

I did build full aluminum F450 with about AUW 1.6kg weight, the problem with aluminum is the metal is too soft to handle 1.6kg falling from 10 meters. maybe a lighter 5 inch quad is ok with aluminum. but I will go with carbon fiber due to bed experience with alu

[@MikeKinney8675]

Drainman I don't know. Build it and rip it, and let us know what you think. We value your opinion.

[@POLARISFPV]

Hold up didn't Armattan start off making aluminum frames? 🤔

[@TheOneAndOnlyRandy]

Now I have all the information I needed to go ahead and cut my own frame from aluminum. I might just start by cutting a Source One first as those files are available on github. I have access to a 3kw fiber laser to cut steel or aluminum but not a mill for carbon fiber

[@FlyturboKwad]

Same here, would love to see some hardcore crashes between carbon fibre and the aluminum frames!

[@short-circuitz]

been done before... they were purple by diatone?!? it was 3 to 4 years ago .. RealAcc makes one simular called the metalstar IIRC.. they bend in crashes and you end up with wavy frame from bending it back. I had a drone 3 years ago that had titanium arms and that thing is SOLID! but the arms are heavy on that thing... can't wait to see the results of this frame. I do believe the old ones were 6061.. 7075 is much stronger so i'm intrigued... Have my ATTN>>

[@ricardoferreira2811]

Aluminiiiium

[@Reecefpv]

I've been rocking the Atlas v2 by kinfpv For a long while now and never seen a tougher frame hands down. It just sucks that I haven't got to fly in such a long time. I miss flying that quad so much. I never had to be scared of breaking something so I could just send it lol

[@mrmellfpv]

So curious how this frame will age

[@NewZedia]

What type of aluminum alloy is that frame??!

[@PkwyDrive13]

Did you not bother watching? It said 7075 like 5 times 😂

[@md95tsi]

I fly the E115 all Aluminum and I have a Bash video I could share a link with Your permission

[@gilowens5785]

Maybe use some shear bolts on the arms. Love your videos my man.

[@gandaulf_fpv6925]

Did he close or rename the website Drainman? I can't findy. Thanks for all you do brother!!!

[@carterdavis5176]

Carbon frame with aluminum arms would be the best bet because then the arms would bend in a crash and take up the impace

[@Yogasabrainahaslindar]

Maybe the alumunium can design with the "hollow tech" to improve rigidity and make the mor light.

[@kacimierz]

Might be an interesting experiment, though I don't think it will beat carbon fiber in any case apart from maybe looks, though I don't like them either.

[@chrisbee5481]

If you build and fly the druckbaer frame like promised first, I'll look forward to this build review haha

[@savyfpv8048]

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[@MechDale]

My guess is that it will have some different tunning challenges, I am sure you are up for it. "I think you are going to like it and not list it"

[@gloorfpv1801]

Flight deck ?

[@2002LJH]

Ummm....Armattan built aluminum quads 10+ years ago. I had a CNC355 for a while.

[@dutchfpv7010]

You're better off breaking carbon than bending aluminum. That thing is going to warp in ways that will be hard to see but will endlessly mess with your tune. But it will probably look dope AF. Def want to see it. Don't want to fly it. Take one for the team Drainman!

[@kapnmorganfpv5784]

Make a full kiss setup on this one

[@DrMacca]

IF I CAN'T MOUNT LUGGAGE THEN I DON'T WANT IT! 🤣🤣

[@FluidityFPV]

It's going to bend. looks interesting though!

[@gingerdude94]

Why didn't you fly it?

[@RotoriousFPV]

Possibly the first 7075 but certainly not the first 6061. I've seen designers try aluminium frames years ago.

[@UpcomingChris]

Aluminium* ;)

[@califpv]

Can't remember if carbon fiber is heavier than carbon...

[@runpuppyfpv5744]

I'm curious now

[@Splinterfpv]

Funny how this trend is coming back.. Armattan were the Og's that did this 7+ years ago🤔

[@FastSloW-qt8xf]

I still got an old armatten frame from like 9 years ago.. we came such a long way. The frame is garbage nowadays but was one of the best back then

[@NiKoNFPV]

build it and crash it :P

[@noisy_boi_fpv_3920]

Carbon is king all Day long just like Prometheus had issues and motor cooking. Any quad with 6mm thick arms is all I need. Apex is king master slider at 2.0 clracing dual there’s nothing else looks and flys as good

[@KINfpv]

☝️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯

[@glitchunicorn]

so sad! they no longer make this frame

[@rebuildfpv2830]

Lets see how many mahk fuck crashes it can handle. Id imagine its bends the first hit.

[@xxRock81xx]

That's not the first, armattan did it years ago, before fpv was getting big, with the 355 freestyle frame, and it didn't hold up worth a damn.

[@Humboldt710]

Not the first for sure

[@p39483]

Why do all drone videos have the same style music with synth bass and ooh ahh alto voice synth, all at the same chill walking tempo. It's like how 3d printing is filled with Vader heads and marvel characters.

[@DexterGoneWild]

Aluminum would be cheaper if it were more mainstream. It's only that expensive because only one dude is making it lol If it were as popular as carbon frame price could be as low as $30-$50 for a whole frame.

[@JP-qq2kn]

Nope, it'll bend too easy. Carbon fiber bends but comes back into shape if it doesn't bend enough to break. Aluminum arms will bend and stay bent. Possibly ripping the motor wires out in the process if the wires aren't long enough.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

First link in your description.... "Suspected Phishing This website has been reported for potential phishing. Phishing is when a site attempts to steal sensitive information by falsely presenting as a safe source."

[@gern_blandston]

More weight is easily solved with more motor 😂

[@ocelee7794]

Come on, build it, fly it and crash it!

[@CptSinep-cu5fp]

compared to a 240g cfk frame the aluminium dosen´t look so heavy for sure..lol.. well designed cfk freestyle frames are between 110g-140g.. who the f is banging a 240g frame?

[@stelic9515]

O bet on carbon fiber

[@mdk42o74]

I want to see this crash let's see how it holds up

[@gustofpv4470]

snapper 7......yes, a 75mm whoop but aluminum, and.......bent out of shape if you just looked at it!!!

[@fpvskuilly2882]

D'Suzeado trap trap trap

[@k4x4map46]

may as well put an egg on top so when ya fry everything at once, you'll be scrambled as well! goodluck!

[@GregoryBrown-fe5js]

Aluminum, really.

[@pgabrieli]

send it and trash it! 😂

[@dvs-fpv9106]

Light small Crash Zap zap zap bbbbzzzz smoke show n bent cool idea but it's a no go

[@robertgood7882]

Holy bad ideas batman

[@JYPSYRISING]

An aluminium-framewill not work it didn’t work before a couple crashes and it bends and that all she wrote

[@k1ortia]

What a stupid design.. and it's actually Ali-minium not All-luminum.

[@xymaryai8283]

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