We will test the strength of pipes made of different materials, titanium, carbon fiber, aluminum, steel with a hydraulic press
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@thomas16442 жыл бұрын
For the people saying that carbon fiber underperfomed: Remember that the advantage of carbon fiber is not its raw strength, but its strength to weight ratio. Titanium took 3x the force of carbon before it broke, but it also weighed 3x as much. Also keep in mind that these tests were strictly in compression, while carbon unquestionably performs its best in tension.
@pcmasterracetechgod56602 жыл бұрын
"Titanium took 3x the force of carbon before it broke, but it also weighed 3x as much" This is true, but also the driving reason for asking why people hype it up so much if it's about the same as titanium in terms of strength to weight. Especially when you take cost into consideration.
@EACORE2 жыл бұрын
al chile si
@carstekoch2 жыл бұрын
@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 Because you can form carbon fiber into virtually any shape without much issue while it would take a lot more to do the same with titanium. Plus the price is pretty much the same. If you are just sticking norm pieces together, titanium would be better. Make it a bit thinner than the carbon tube and you'd have the same effect. If you are going to have more complex forms and a low number of units, carbon fibre becomes more attractive. There is no absolutely perfect material.
@Emeraldd_332 жыл бұрын
@@carstekoch effect*
@carstekoch2 жыл бұрын
@@Emeraldd_33 Thanks, german auto correct took over.
@genki316 Жыл бұрын
Perfect video of why you don't make submarines out of carbon fiber.
@OrcaStree Жыл бұрын
Must be what they made the Titan out of
@OrcaStree Жыл бұрын
I just looked it up. Dear Jesus, it actually was made from carbon fibre
@genki316 Жыл бұрын
@@OrcaStree yea it was partially carbon fiber pary titanium
@markbaz Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can’t believe that after researching metals and carbon fiber videos on KZbin for just a few minutes that ANYONE would be able to come to that conclusion! May they all see Heaven’s Gates.
@genki316 Жыл бұрын
@@markbaz dude was playing with people's lives for 250k each
@harvindersingh8775 Жыл бұрын
This explains why Titan was never issued a certification of safety. James Cameron was always right about using titanium and stainless steel to build submersibles.
@rodh1404 Жыл бұрын
According to some studies, Carbon Fiber can withstand depths of over 7,000 meters. And it certainly survived several trips to the Titanic so it does work. The problem is that nothing can stand repeated dives, and as yet we haven't developed a good way to non-destructively test when Carbon Fiber has reached its limit. I should also point out that the experts don't seem certain yet the carbon fiber caused the failure. Several people have pointed to the very dodgy porthole, and some say it was the combination of the titanium end caps and the carbon fiber that was the real problem. Maybe it was even something else entirely, since it seems like safety wasn't exactly priority number 1 with Ocean Gate.
@sirelee5169 Жыл бұрын
@@rodh1404 nice
@ChristheDesignar Жыл бұрын
@@rodh1404 carbon fiber has ALWAYS been developed and used as a tensile reinforcement. It is common knowledge in composites that fiberglass performs similarly if not better than carbon in compression applications. Once you start pulling on the laminate in tension, carbon out performs justbout everything. I think this hull design just used so much of it (4" thick?) as to just brute force the calculations. But as many others have pointed out, typical composite laminations fail over time due to micro crack in the epoxy marix. tiny cracks occur and grow as the structure is loaded. Add extreme thermal cycling and the dimensional changes from the pressure and its gonna break down. Ive built a bunch of skis and skateboards and random parts from CF and glass, nothing too crazy but even with my basic experiences, i would NEVER pursue a CF sub for deep water. The only reason to do it this way is 1. probably cheaper than the extreme grades of metals required 2 much lighter weight, which means support systems for docking the sub needed to be much smaller and cheaper. also carbon fiber has proved time and time again that it is great at seperating rich people from their money. its a good buzzword.
@this_number Жыл бұрын
“Rich people from their money” 😂🤣😆
@XYZAudiio Жыл бұрын
Cameron should stick to making movies and STFU.
@Sandman_IX Жыл бұрын
That blue little man is fighting for his life 3:42
@caiolemg1595 ай бұрын
coitado kkkk o smurf não aguentou a pressão
@Bigchickenburger4 ай бұрын
No
@Sandman_IX4 ай бұрын
@ yes
@AlphaGeekPAV Жыл бұрын
Note: that carbon fiber tube was likely _stronger_ than Titan's CF because it was woven in multiple directions (though, obviously, much thinner overall than Titan). But what people keep forgetting to mention about Carbon Fiber is the danger of *repeated stress*. It might handle a given level of stress once, twice, etc. but each time adds tiny fractures and eventually it fails *without notice*. That's why carbon fiber bikes need to be X-rayed for microfractures after any significant accident. _none_ of that was done for Titan after each dive.
@TEMUCHINYONGA Жыл бұрын
This comment is underrated.
@Thesnakerox Жыл бұрын
I did notice that when the carbon fiber gave under the pressure, it frayed rather than shattering like I'd have expected--is that due to it being woven in more than one direction as well?
@OccamsWoodChipper Жыл бұрын
Isn't this true to some extent with all materials? Is it just much worse with carbon fiber?
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, people just keep repeating 'carbon fiber bad' without understanding why. It's not necessarily that it's weaker, it's that when it fails it's sudden and absolute.
@Ace-dh5lz Жыл бұрын
Thank you for goodness sakes people are so quick to write off carbon because its "experimental" and not tested that material is plenty strong for 1 or 2 dives the deepest dive ever was done using carbon fiber 35k feet in the Marianas Trench and it was done once for a reason no repeated stresses.
@julianreichwein57902 жыл бұрын
Carbon performing rather low was to be expected. Because its strength results from the fibers being arranged in the direction of stress and then being pulled. It's like a rope: Strong if you pull on it but doesn't resist any squishing
@1ZZFE2 жыл бұрын
That kind of stretching strength is called Tensile strength.
@danielhristov61752 жыл бұрын
The main failing point of the material used was actually the resin holding together the beam. Many people be like: “Carbon fiber is stronger than steel! It’s the best material ever, it’s the future…” blah blah blah. What they don’t realize is that only the mere “fiber” is stronger than steel. Common mistake. Even aluminum showed better result… I did expect steel and titanium to outgun it but the aluminum was a surprise. Most people that are into cycling should check this video out before dropping motorcycle money for a carbon toy. XD
@fireaza2 жыл бұрын
@@danielhristov6175 You're missing the key advantage of carbon fiber: it's strong, but *LIGHT.* People don't like it simply because it's "strong", but because it's insanely light for it's strength. If you want pure strength, then sure, use steel. But if you need something that's light, but also rather strong, carbon fiber is an excellent fit.
@m.b.822 жыл бұрын
Also, cf varies pretty wildly in quality
@_seriousrob_2 жыл бұрын
@@danielhristov6175 Compare the weight to the results and you get why carbon is a valid option. Carbon and Titanium have nearly the same result when weight normalized. It's a lot stronger than aluminium when weight normalized. That is where carbon fibre gains an advantage.
@sergarlantyrell7847 Жыл бұрын
In case anyone was wondering how they ranked strength to weight wise... Titanium - 278.5 (kg/g) Carbon fibre - 272.5 Stainless steel - 267.8 Aluminium - 192 Acrylic - 170.9 PVC - 91.3 Low grade steel - 81.9 Brass - 57.1
@deathshotzz7762 Жыл бұрын
thx
@hariman7727 Жыл бұрын
So carbon fiber doesn't even have an appreciable advantage...
@golfmarguerite3970 Жыл бұрын
@@hariman7727 the price I think
@loosilu Жыл бұрын
@@hariman7727 Price and weight. But don't forget the cylindrical shape was also a problem. Spheres are strongest under pressure from all sides. Cameron used spheres.
@XYZAudiio Жыл бұрын
So much for my brass submarine plans. 😢
@gibbs-135 ай бұрын
3:41 looks like a blue guy trying to lift
@hiperpower87555 ай бұрын
Yeah😂
@schnitzel_enjoyer3 ай бұрын
Sisyphus
@JinKee Жыл бұрын
Hydraulic Press Channel: do NOT try this at home. Stockton Rush: hold my gamepad
@iananderson8363 Жыл бұрын
😂🤣 You’re an ass! But you’re funny so it’s cool.
@kielo88 Жыл бұрын
well... didn't say "do not try this at ocean".
@Pyratheon Жыл бұрын
Make sure you don't destroy the gamepad. We're gonna need it.
@WhatTodo11111 Жыл бұрын
Sick people talking about a dead person, why is the world so evil.... I.e people
@RussellStudiosUSA Жыл бұрын
Oooh too soon 😆
@sciteceng2hedz358 Жыл бұрын
For those wondering about the *lack of shattering* of carbon fiber, there are 2 possibilities. 1. The height to thickness ratio of the sample was such that buckling (catastrophic failure) would not occur. Criteria based on geometry and material properties will determine if buckling or crushing.will occur. With a longer tube you will see buckling. Thanks to @josephgarrett for pointing this out. 2. Regardless of 1. the nature of a simple hydraulic press will ensure a constant velocity of the head. Otherwise known as constant displacement rate. The hydraulic fluid is pumped into the cylinder at a constant rate meaning constant downward motion after yeilding (failure point). After yeild you can see in the video that the force begins to drop, yet the downward speed is constant. So you can compress the sample by the same amount, but with less and less force. More advanced machines can control displacement and force with software but this test is incapable of applying a constant force to the tube. If there is anything I missed please let me know!
@josephgarrett3075 Жыл бұрын
I don't believe this is correct....... the reason there is not catastrophic failure (with any of the specimens) is because someone did their homework and solved for the necessary geometry/stiffness to induce crushing under compression rather than buckling (for example the J.B Johnson/Euler interaction curve).
@raboldrt Жыл бұрын
Pressure made it heat up and delaminate? Basically melt? *the glue
@R0swell5104 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, the test is completely unrepresentative on how these materials would behave with uniform external pressure as experienced at extreme depth. To be fair to the makers of the video; it was not intended to be.
@dominictarrsailing Жыл бұрын
fascinating! that makes a lot of sense, thank you for this comment. I guess engineers generally design structures so that any deformation is a failure, catastrophic buckling or not, staying within the safety margin established by a test like this.
@antoniobragancamartins3165 Жыл бұрын
Wrote too much for a simple concept: all kinds of fibers resist traction, not compression. Simple this way! On any pressure vessels made of any fiber, when the inner pressure is bigger than the outside pressure the fiber is under traction, but when the outside pressure is bigger than the inner pressure the fiber is under compression!
@lumated2854 Жыл бұрын
4:03 - Carbon Fiber 7:07 - Titanium
@sierrasymone7590 Жыл бұрын
thank you so much
@lucyno2548 Жыл бұрын
Thank u ❤️🔥
@Challymktwo Жыл бұрын
The titan submersible
@lumated2854 Жыл бұрын
@@Challymktwo yes
@dhiraj.a.prasad1 Жыл бұрын
You are the best
@TheJeet07 Жыл бұрын
Savage reply from "Solid Stainless Steel" to "Titanium"!
@JohnsonPecker-g1c Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see this with a thermal camera to see the heat build up and spread through the materials.
@rafaeldugatto Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I would watch this video.
@ChiquitaSpeaks Жыл бұрын
And tungsten
@isaacbelcher4984 Жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing
@daudiii Жыл бұрын
Genius video idea.
@Sneakiest_bear2 жыл бұрын
"Don't repeat this at home" Let me just pull out my hydraulic press real quick
@Senkino5o2 жыл бұрын
Less than $600 can get you a 50t hydraulic press no problems.
@slipper18892 жыл бұрын
@@Senkino5o Really? I Though their prices starts at least from tens of thousands...
@naughtytiger272 жыл бұрын
No man, you gotta listen. It's dangerous. I just put back my hydraulic press once I read that warning.
@youghurt2k2 жыл бұрын
Just take your hydraulic press to somebody elses home.
@nirmalsuki2 жыл бұрын
Instructions unclear. Penis stuck in hydraulic press.
@TotalAnomy Жыл бұрын
One thing to note if you're watching this after the titan accident: notice that the hydraulic press starts applying less force to the material once it starts yielding. A hydrostatic column, in contrast, is not so kind
@jgtheman2011 Жыл бұрын
💯💯💯
@othusitselokailwe2857 Жыл бұрын
I think the speed that the material compresses is slower than the press
@nutinmyass Жыл бұрын
How tf do fish and soft jellyfish just swim around that deep like nothing is bothering them
@TotalAnomy Жыл бұрын
@@nutinmyass by being mostly made of fluid, which is in practice incompressible. What makes certain animals (and poorly made submersibles) vulnerable to pressure is gas content, which has to drastically change volume if in contact with a dramatically different pressure environment
@Agent-57 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the prees reached 10 tons by the end for aluminum which was much higher than the 3.8 ton limit.
@TheRealArtimusKnight Жыл бұрын
3:41 right at this frame, anyone else see a dude with his head flattened trying to lift the press with his buttcheeks facing the camera 😂
@thedeergarden3964 Жыл бұрын
After watching this I’m amazed that the Titan was able to do as many dives as it did before it imploded.
@lilith4961 Жыл бұрын
It helped that they aborted a good amount of those trips due to other complications
@Ganiscol Жыл бұрын
Well, this isnt really indicative of much. They crush carbon fiber in the direction of the filaments, which is much, much worse than how Titan experienced pressure. However, that doesnt take away from the fact that a carbon fiber based pressure hull is bad for external pressure but superior to any metal for internal pressure. So, if you wanted to build a tank to contain internal pressure, carbon fiber will give you the best result in terms of weight and maximum sustainable pressure. But dont make a sub from it...
@excalibermax Жыл бұрын
Also the carbon fibre layers was 5 inches thick, so probably lasted longer but ultimately either end cap glue failed or porthole or carbon fibre delimitation within layers
@StreetFighter2010 Жыл бұрын
@@GaniscolThe carbon fiber Mr. arrogant CEO used was not even laminated properly. It was all in one direction instead of crosshatched. 🤦🏻
@ianm8218 Жыл бұрын
Wear and tear was probably the reason it imploded too
@OldielocksNmo50 Жыл бұрын
As a metallurgist and fdy engineer I pulled test bars all the time..the psi ratings depending on the alloys was important. Strength, ductility vs wear and fatigue in operation was crucial. CF has flat strength in stress, but no ductility and fatigues quickly. Test bar pulls gave you the boundaries of useage in desired applications.
@FlatOutFE Жыл бұрын
It doesn't fatigue quickly. Many aircraft manufacturers are using carbon fiber wing spars because their fatigue behavior is much better than aluminum.
@guitarplayer1495 Жыл бұрын
carbon fiber is very durable and has a long lifespan. the same piece oceangate got was a recycled piece from an old aircraft.
@larrybe2900 Жыл бұрын
Half of a wing is in compression so CF is not suited.
@FlatOutFE Жыл бұрын
@@larrybe2900 Bike frames are made from carbon fiber everyday. The top bar is under significant compression. Wing spars are indeed made with carbon fiber caps separated by a shear web. Carbon wings are quite suitable. The compression strength of titanium is 50% of its tensile strength. The compression strength of stainless steel and aluminum is 40% of its tensile strength. The fact that carbon fiber is weaker in compression is like every other structural material.
@davidhenningson4782 Жыл бұрын
@@FlatOutFE in tension yes.
@icedragonyan2 жыл бұрын
Here is the ranking: (stainless steel held 15800Kg with 58.62g in pipe shape, which means it held 270k times its own mass but isn't the strongest here) 1. Titanium: 9190kg/32.63g= 282k times own mass 2. Carbon fiber: 2998/10.91= 275k 3. Stainless steel: 15800/58.62= 270k 4. Aluminium: 3840/19.76= 194k 5. Acrylic: 1538/8.69= 177k 6. PVC: 1004/11.43= 88k 7. Steel seam pipe: 4750/57.56= 83k 8. Brass: 2568/45.16= 57k
@alejo_m94472 жыл бұрын
The comment I was looking for! Thanks for saving me the hassle 🙂
@spy_balloon2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@soytupappa2 жыл бұрын
Acrylic and pvc are about 50% and 300% stronger than brass respectively. I would have never guessed it
@blinzi692 жыл бұрын
titanium and brass are wrong, they started to deform way before the marked pressure in the video - watch it again Brass started to deform clearly around 1900-2000kg and Titanium started to bend around 7000 already, while carbon fiber held until 2900.
@CurtBennett12 жыл бұрын
@@blinzi69 What's being measured is the max pressure it can withstand before catastrophic failure. Deformation obviously isn't good but it's not up to the level of catastrophic.
@fesswahАй бұрын
At 5:03, that's my hair in the morning...
@R_MindsАй бұрын
Sheesh
@natevanlandingham1945 Жыл бұрын
Who would of thought this video would pop up 10 months later as a suggested one for me. This press guy hit a home run when he made this and didn't even realize it would take 10 months to really "blow up" 😮
@mew10521 Жыл бұрын
Yeah
@lise1255 Жыл бұрын
Over 11 million views. The entire population of Sweden is only 10,5 million! Well done.😊
@T800-theRealOne Жыл бұрын
@@disappointedbananas2365 lol.
@eugenegoagoseb5095 Жыл бұрын
Who would have thought.
@80s_Boombox_Collector Жыл бұрын
And if the owner hadn't monetized his channel, he wouldn't get shit. KZbin doesn't provide automatic monetization (which should be illegal), and they fight you even after you register, with a bunch of BS rules that take hours to figure out.
@jguo2 жыл бұрын
Do you happen to have an infrared camera? It would be very cool to see how temperature changes when different materials being pressed!
@n-bonapartisan2 жыл бұрын
Up
@pvpdm2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't work on the metals.
@marinetechknj2 жыл бұрын
@@pvpdm why wouldn't it work on metal? I would think you would see the temperature change. The metal may show its surface as an even temperature throughout the change, but it would still be visible that the temperature is changing?
@mdyson6112 жыл бұрын
@@n-bonapartisan Crushing steel objects with hydraulic press THERMAL CAMERA EDITION!
@pvpdm2 жыл бұрын
@@marinetechknj it's because infrared bounces off of metallic surfaces if I'm not mistaken.
@granadosvm Жыл бұрын
From the safety point of view, my main concern about carbon fiber is how minimum deformation it shows before coming undone. For a vehicle like a submergible, the deformation from the titanium could mean when it starts showing material fatigue after multiple trips, there is a big chance it will be deformed and survive, allowing a post-submerging inspection to identify it's reaching its limits and decommissioning it before a fatal incident, while the carbon fiber looks for a submergible, it won't show any previous deformation until the trip when it suffers catastrophic failure..
@madabbafan Жыл бұрын
If you look at the pipe here the weave of the fibre shows it going in two directions increacing the strength. The sub only had the fibre strands running in one direction so not as strong as it should have been.
@MrLuffy9131 Жыл бұрын
I just feel like metal is somewhat one piece so it won't really make a hole unless something punctures but carbon fiber has so many weaves that there's so many possible places for holes. It probably good for something on land like body armor where you don't have water seeping in and it's tough and lighter than steel but I wouldn't trust it going to a really deep depth where everything fails all at once and you don't know what hits you
@Ace-dh5lz Жыл бұрын
@@MrLuffy9131 it didnt leak water... it delaminated lost its strength and failed. if it were to have "leaked" it wouldn't have been imploded. the cabin is pressurized with oxygen right so if it were to leak it would be constantly fighting the pressure of the fluids around it. they would notice the pressure instability and surface but it failed almost instantly with no possibility of taking on water.
@pablogriswold421 Жыл бұрын
The titanium (and steel, PVC, aluminum, etc) in this video failed by yield, which is gradual and detectable. Cyclic stress and fatigue causes failure by crack propagation, which can be much more sudden. Titanium is susceptible to fatigue cracking no matter how high the yield strength, so it must be designed with a maximum number of cycles in mind (just as the carbon fiber in the titan should have been). There's no good reason to make a sub out of carbon fiber, but with properly calculated fatigue life, it could have been safe just like titanium. Really though steel would be the better option because it has a fatigue limit, where if each cycle doesn't exceed the limit, the vessel will always be safe. In some cases it may be cheaper to simply say that the vessel should only complete x number of dives, which is acceptable in most materials, but at the end of the day steel is the only material with a real advantage there.
@russcattell955i Жыл бұрын
Many metals will "complain" either visually or audibly when stressed.
@JS-ed2hg Жыл бұрын
Wow, these results completely surprised me with solid stainless steel taking that much pressure. Great video.
@JYMBO5 күн бұрын
Shape has a lot to do with it
@nancymcmonarch Жыл бұрын
So even aluminum is more pressure-resistant than CF? Damn! Those OceanGate fools would have had better chances in a giant Pepsi can.
@PebCak42 Жыл бұрын
Aluminium(& most of its alloys) has the same problem carbon has, cycle fatigue.
@nancymcmonarch Жыл бұрын
@@PebCak42 I'm sure you know more about it than I do. But looking at the way the CF shreds apart here, wouldn't water have an easier time penetrating it? In any event, OceanGate had no business taking people down there anyway. As we saw in the search for them, anything people can do on the ocean floor, ROVs can do better and safer.
@PebCak42 Жыл бұрын
@@nancymcmonarch I'm not that deep into carbon, but from what I understand it's not designed for that type of strressor. It performs reasonably well in the areas it's designed for, considering weight-strength ratio. I'm more into metals.... There are a lot of factors when it comes to materials, some just break/rip without any visible warning, some deform before breaking. It's very important to know what kind of stressor the material will experience... compression vs. tension, enduring stress vs. cycling stress, element exposure etcpp, do you need visible warning or do you have other ways to detect potential flaws & failure. E.g. certain parts for high performance engines are x-rayed for potential flaws that can't be detected any other way. It's a science in it's own right. But I agree, they had no business doing what they did, especially in the way they did it.
@WildlifeWarrior-cr1kk Жыл бұрын
Nope
@raul_jocson_ Жыл бұрын
@@nancymcmonarch That's part of the problem with CF. Once any kind of fracture of the matrix occurs, water can penetrate and start pulling apart the layers, i.e. delamination.
@mreyecanreal8170 Жыл бұрын
This video aged well. Stockton didn't even pass his KZbin exam.
@Nortontube-l1w Жыл бұрын
Well done Oceangate for choosing carbon fiber 👏
@zlonewolf Жыл бұрын
cf doesnt just fail when it fails. it fails like in the end of the video....catastrophically. Absolute insanity.
@lorenzoyagong7156 Жыл бұрын
they didnt watch this videoes
@yeahdefinitely6607 Жыл бұрын
…and for combining CF with composite materials and an acrylic porthole
@jerrylouis8930 Жыл бұрын
To all the "Scienceticians" observing this anecdote..... The carbon Fibre tube is weakest at the ends. The diameter of the press forces the cylinder BETWEEN the layers of carbon. So, the "failure" you see is the least surprising outcome there could be. Aside from that, CF if an additive material, titanium is a "contiguous" material. If you want the strength of Titanium, simply add more CF. As a test of perspicacity, several of the audience fails.
@Cherokeeseeker Жыл бұрын
Ouch. Maybe too soon,but spot on.
@OlaWaledpol13 күн бұрын
10:24 No wonder Superman is monickered "man of steel" 😂
@vengeance28252 жыл бұрын
This is absolute insanity, I was literally doing this exact experiment at home when I stumbled across your video, and because of your warning I just packed away everything instead.
@EvanRath2 жыл бұрын
amazing, you possibly saved him from a calamity of epic proportions!
@mattmarzula2 жыл бұрын
Bullshit.
@sillybilly9472 жыл бұрын
@@mattmarzula wooosh
@vasiovasio2 жыл бұрын
Sarcasm Level Infinity! ;)
@nivington2 жыл бұрын
the sarcasm was so strong I didn't realize it was a joke at first
@danielosdinia42582 жыл бұрын
Great experiment that answered many questions in my mind. Carbon fibre is not even as strong as aluminum but its major advantage is light weight. Also, it proved that steel as one of the oldest human discoveries is still the king of compounds when it comes to strength. Thanks for video.
@carbonfabrik Жыл бұрын
@commendatore2516 beause people dont understand how cf works. In this case where hes basically pressing the fibers downwards the main force taker is the resin. However the resin only is an addition to fixate the fibers in position. The fibers should take the load, which they do best in tension directed to the fibers. Pointless comparison like this. And as you said, aluminium is not stronger than cf. It just so happens that aluminium is isotropic (takes forces the same no matter which direction) and cf is anisotropic (force taken depends on direction). A well built carbon part will outperform aluminium anyday. Yet, depending on application obviously, maybe not for a sub, but definetly for any other "normal" application like car parts etc.
@emmette.30072 жыл бұрын
I see a few notes about the carbon pipe, and it's also worth keeping in mind that carbon fiber materials are engineered to be strong when put under certain directional forces. The person designing a pipe wouldn't expect it to be compressed along its length, but instead pushed outwards towards its sides. So this is essentially the toughest thing you could do to this pipe.
@melihapaydn21372 жыл бұрын
Pull strength it will behave another way yes also directions of the strands shows the structure of the force must be applied by the way carbon material used is not advanced one just lining
@SE-tc3cr2 жыл бұрын
Agreed light weight tensile strength is the benefit of carbon fibre
@danielosdinia42582 жыл бұрын
But overall Carbon fiber is overrated especially in car industries. True it’s light but is not as strong as aluminum even!.
@whatever7659 Жыл бұрын
carbon fiber don't take compressive loads? umm you should turn on the TV and watch some F1 racecar's wishbones...
@LTBudd Жыл бұрын
So, don't build a pressure vessel for a submersible out of carbon fiber, is that what you're saying?
@whobitmyname22 күн бұрын
0:00 * despondently disassembling my 10-ton hydro press and returning to my Lay-Z Boy. *
@GarySBCA2 жыл бұрын
I thought it might be interesting to compute how many kilos could be supported per gram of material: Brass 57 Steel 82 PVC 91 Acrylic 170 Al 192 SS 268 C 272 Ti 278 *Note: Acrylic was omitted from the end summary in the video and its load bearing capacity was misattributed to PVC.
@sncft_tunisianrailways_33102 жыл бұрын
and yes if we add to that its performance depending on how much one gram costs i think carbon fibre will come on top since satainless stell and titanium are expensive metals
@go-wycowboys50182 жыл бұрын
wow glad I read the comments before I got out the calculator. Well done. One must be mindful that this test is simply compression, that's why material engineering looks at l stress in many ways. We developed a ceramic epoxy that wets out a Kevlar wrap on a structure for abrasion resistance. Carbon fiber would be toast in this application. Always good to know as much about the test as possible.
@dexterford80942 жыл бұрын
@@xVERT4x ... as well as the B787 Dreamliner aircraft.
@thewizardsofthezoo53762 жыл бұрын
@@go-wycowboys5018 That reminds me of that steel tank they added to the front of a fiberglass boat, and was rubbing for years against the hull, then one day, in the Caribbeans, middle of the night, they had a big waterway and almost sank. For the record, they got saved by a fishing boat nearby that heard the mayday call and had a quick fix bi-component compound on board. So yeah fiberglass and abrasion are empirically confirmed.
@abp54282 жыл бұрын
I think the shape of each material would affect this ratio, if they were all spheres for example, their strengths would be different.
@jayhemfindsyou Жыл бұрын
Even after it started to balloon the Titanium was still holding over 7,000kg! Insane material.
@shackilleuhdeal7462 Жыл бұрын
Best thing about it is it's strength to weight ratio compared to solid steel. Lightweight and strong.
@filipebeat Жыл бұрын
i was mo impressed by d stainless steel
@deancafe4739 Жыл бұрын
They should've included a diamond pipe.
@filipebeat Жыл бұрын
@@deancafe4739 haha cant b though
@robertmcfadyen9156 Жыл бұрын
@@shackilleuhdeal7462 The low grade steel was "ANNEALED" for cold working by looking at it's behaviour in the test .
@kouvue1081 Жыл бұрын
9:42 "IT'S OVER 9000!"
@mattdamon20849 ай бұрын
Damm you kakharott!!
@thethirdman225Ай бұрын
The carbon fibre ended up looking like Kim Kardashian’s false eyelashes.
@incaroca-fr2 жыл бұрын
Hey :) cool tests Quick note : there's a bug in the summary @ 10:40 (PVC is 1004 according to your tests, and acrylic is 1538) For those wondering about resistance / weight ratio, sorted by best ratio first, here is the summary : type - resistance - weight - ratio titanium - 9190 - 33 - 278 carbon - 2998 - 11 - 272 stainless steel - 15800 - 59 - 267 aluminium - 3840 - 20 - 192 acrylic - 1538 - 9 - 170 pvc - 1004 - 11 - 91 steel seam pipe - 4750 - 58 - 81 brass - 2568 - 45 - 57
@alcantarams2 жыл бұрын
thanks
@FunWithBits2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the table summary. I was just thinking of doing the same and then saw yours. It's interesting that titanium, carbon, and stainless all have the roughly the same compressionc strength(under a cylendar form) per weigh.
@zethloveless72382 жыл бұрын
So should I be glad my teeth are acrylic ?
@ivanjelenic56272 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I wanted to know this, but was too lazy to do it.
@guilhermewilson29672 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Another important factor that could be use to sum up in the ratio is the cost. This is one of the reasons SpaceX choosed Stainless Steel instead of Carbon Fiber at the Starship and Booster
@dgkohn Жыл бұрын
That's why Superman is the "Man of Steel" and not of Titanium !
@Can-k6h10 ай бұрын
Better if we express " Man of Stainless Steel " 😀
@patB91659 ай бұрын
That's bullshit. Steel is not stronger than Titanium. It depends which steel and which Titanium alloy. And the advantage of titanium is it's strength to weight ratio
@vvhitevvabbit64799 ай бұрын
Typically the durability of a material is measured by strength to weight ration. This guy performed his test strength to thickness. All these materials are very important, but it depends on application. Overall, titanium is much stronger strength to weight.
@johaobagriel85488 ай бұрын
@@patB9165 it depends but steel is the strongest when talking about strenght + fracture toughness (greater toughness in general), but yeah titanium is stronger in strenght to weight
@loktom40687 ай бұрын
@@vvhitevvabbit6479 Totally agree. Titanium would be stronger than SS if given the same weight of SS. It's often used when less weight is more important for the same size and thickness of the material.
@longtsun8286 Жыл бұрын
I'm amazed how different grades of steel have such variance in their strength. Thank you for the video; it was very informative.
@zes3813 Жыл бұрын
wrrg, no such hting as grade or high, low etc
@jyotirmayipattanaik711 Жыл бұрын
Others : watching how Aluminium is crushed Me : vibing on the music of the machine sound at 5:23😂
@joebungus3447 Жыл бұрын
3:38 this looks like a guy squatting a barbell😂
@aircraftcarrierwo-class Жыл бұрын
Carbon Fiber did better than I expected but still just doesn't handle external compression nearly as well as any of the metals usually used for pressure vessels. Stainless did way better than I expected.
@JustinCaseIamStupid Жыл бұрын
Stainless steel is pretty strong
@Jay.Kellett7 ай бұрын
And stainless steel is a lot cheaper than titanium I bet.
@1ZZFE2 жыл бұрын
The strength of that fragile acrylic is most impressive to me.
@zwqasdfzaani8142 жыл бұрын
Yeah that one surprised me as well.
@hiveknight38532 жыл бұрын
If you saw a serious testing of acrylic it will shock you for sure, the testing on this video is done by a non professionnal, acrylic is used in field where he outperforms even stainless steel.
@mikldude93762 жыл бұрын
Yeah same thoughts here , very tuff stuff for plastic.
@florianwa16362 жыл бұрын
Geometric
@biggestnamer2 жыл бұрын
yeah they are really strong
@a-lc5le9 ай бұрын
it never ceases of being interesting just how some materials decide to react so violently
@FAFetus Жыл бұрын
that carbon fiber sub didnt stand a chance
@justsoicanfingcomment5814 Жыл бұрын
Carbon fiber used as a building material is not the problem. Using it repeatedly without a proper way of testing its integrity after each dive was the problem. Having a submarine with so many glitchy, twitchy, defective safety mechanisms and systems in general was also a problem.
@hu5116 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video, showing the sheer folly of the Titans construction! It is criminal that there are engineers that would’ve thought carbon fiber is a good idea for a submarine!
@zlonewolf Жыл бұрын
metals fail but still retain "somewhat" of a shape and sub occupants might be crushed or might have small chance to survive. carbon fiber was literally "catastrophic" failure with zero chance of survival after failure of crushing integrity. It shatters instead.
@larryresnick2300 Жыл бұрын
It wasn't an engineer that thought carbon fiber was a good choice. In fact the engineer that quit did so because carbon fiber was chosen.
@hotdog9262 Жыл бұрын
not really, titan is a very poor example of that conclusion. it probably had faulty engineering for where the titanium was married with the carbon fiber hull, faulty method of applying the carbon fiber/production of the hull itself and faulty shape for deep sea diving. just to name a few. it probably had sub par solutions all over it
@hotdog9262 Жыл бұрын
@@zlonewolf probably `easily` avoidable by making the hull much thicker, so the design could theoretically much deeper(even with this shape). not having a subpar marriage of the titanium and the hull(thinner lip to support it and just glue used). not to mention a pressure chamber shaped like sphere instead of a tube. any material could have failed with this design
@daniellarson3068 Жыл бұрын
How about all those expensive bicycles out there? I feel safer on my old steel Schwinn.
@shrijitkoirala Жыл бұрын
Who’s here binge watching after the tragic submersible incident?
@ethanmac639 Жыл бұрын
me
@marcusatm Жыл бұрын
Yep
@edaguiadan4301 Жыл бұрын
Me best for submarine metal stainless steel
@MrOptimusheath Жыл бұрын
Think Ill place all my bets on titanium thanks .. watching that carbon fiber tear lol
@Significantharrassment Жыл бұрын
It's me! It's MEEE!!!!!
@Butcherofchambal Жыл бұрын
"Do not try this at home" as if i'm casually having a hydraulic press machine in my room
@steve5825 Жыл бұрын
“Don’t repeat at home " …. Damn, what à I going to do with this massive hydraulic press in my kitchen now ?
@willmcgo8288 Жыл бұрын
Make flat bread.
@theluc1f3r93 Жыл бұрын
Hydraulic pressed orange juice hmm :D
@aliveandwellinisrael2507 Жыл бұрын
Given recent events, some people do have to be told not to put carbon fiber under immense compressive force
@jj-pi9cu Жыл бұрын
the ironing
@vorda400 Жыл бұрын
😂my wife's cakes are sometimes so hard they could be parts of that hydraulic press
@oloidhexasphericon53492 жыл бұрын
7:45, it's over 9000 !!! 😲😲
@jonnymac89252 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to see the same tests done horizontally instead of vertically to see how much pressure it takes to crush/break them that way!
@tubularap Жыл бұрын
Yes. He does have a video with titanium and CF plates, doing bending tests. Not cylinders pressed from the side, but still interesting. I'm going to watch it now. [correction:] The video shows bars from various materials (not "plates").
@bigbusiness6067 Жыл бұрын
Probably a lot less pressure if done that way
@kiyoshim9593 Жыл бұрын
@@tubularap from the sides? would be nice to see who wins PVC of CF
@tubularap Жыл бұрын
@@kiyoshim9593 - Yeah, PVC was remarkable strong.
@R0swell5104 Жыл бұрын
It wouldn't matter as this also would be unrepresentative of the uniform external pressure experienced by a sealed container at extreme depth. To do this you would need to make a sealed vessel, place it in a pressure chamber filled with water and then increase the pressure of the water.
@Outlander99928 күн бұрын
Waste 12 mins of my life? -> YES, it's a pleasure.
@RetroGore912 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or did the blue pipe take the shape of a little person trying to hold something up and being crushed 😂 3:40
@ZYNTRONX2 жыл бұрын
i was thinking the same thing too, it looks like a headless blue person taking a squat while holding a blue plate while getting squashed. 🤣
@7grizz1936 Жыл бұрын
I was surprised to see stainless steel beat titanium. In my experience stainless steel is a bear to drill or cut through but generally easier to bend than even mild steel. I’d be interested in seeing this test done compressing the tubes via their diameter instead of height.
@johnedwards3621 Жыл бұрын
Try straightening the stainless steel slack elbow that supports your shower head. No way you are going to straighten it compared to mild steel.
@steveodeal1921 Жыл бұрын
Alloys and heat treatment in this.
@EvilMaxWar Жыл бұрын
I remember using stainless steel wood screws and they bent super easy compared to normal deck screws. Maybe there are different types of stainless steel ?
@danialthomas5659 Жыл бұрын
Other factors to consider like weight
@MegaSkills9 Жыл бұрын
Me too. I am pretty sure only the Titanium one would make it all the way to earth, if they fell through Earths atmosphere. Can't it withstand the most heat of any metal? Also when crushing, any metal will flex at the point where it is the hottest and therefore the softest spot.
@danw19552 жыл бұрын
The strength of that solid stainless pipe is just nuts! I was waiting for it to just shoot out of that press at supersonic speeds.😮💀
@SaraAnderson-l7y2 күн бұрын
Just my humble opinion but I think if you made a table chart at the end of the video, it would have been nice 👍🏼👍🏼. Good work 🎉❤
@pain.497 Жыл бұрын
Thats why you dont go down 2.5 miles with carbon fiber lol
@Zuckerpuppekopf Жыл бұрын
A high strength to weight ratio only makes sense in airplane design, but for a sub, absolute strength would be the more important feature, I'd think. Excess weight can always be countered with added buoyancy.
@leecowell8165 Жыл бұрын
The Trieste used a tank of gasoline for negative buoyancy. That's what I would do as well. The tank doesn't require a large wall thickness because gasoline weighs about 6 pounds per gallon and is not compressible but salt water weighs about 8 pounds per gallon thus you have 2 pounds of negative buoyancy for every gallon of displacement.
@kiyoshim9593 Жыл бұрын
Remember when Stockton said ohh "this is bouyancy foam it's is very expensive" and that's what happened
@enchantereddie Жыл бұрын
Don't forget Stockton Rush was an aviation engineer. He could be possessed by these "high tech" materials and consider "traditional" materials inferior, old school, not innovating enough.
@sauronthegreat5799 Жыл бұрын
Stockton confused his submersible for an airplane. He thought he was design ing an airplane to go underwater.
@wedgie502 Жыл бұрын
@@enchantereddie Fact: there are more airplanes underwater than there are submarines in the sky. LMAO
@diannt9583 Жыл бұрын
That submersible was lucky that it survived as many times going down as it did. I feel badly for that 19 year old kid.
@Younce_Davies Жыл бұрын
I thought he was 16?
@NadeemKhan-kr4zz Жыл бұрын
Warning: Do not repeat this at home. lol! I have a hydraulic press lying at home.
@Michael.Chapman Жыл бұрын
Superb experiment. Would have liked to have also compared cross-sectional collapse values. The stainless steel was insanely resistant to deformation. Also, the materials were much less brittle than I imagined.
@jaminova_1969 Жыл бұрын
Which is also why you don't book passage on a submersible without proper certification!
@svdumitrescu Жыл бұрын
I guess the stainless steel specifications are much higher than avarage, than we imagine. I mean that's not some common pipe, but some exclusive technologies, like for nuclear plants or so.
@rb032682 Жыл бұрын
The stainless was also solid, not a tube, according to the caption. This will alter the results of the test.
@svdumitrescu Жыл бұрын
@@rb032682 I don't know what he meant by "solid", probably smth related to material specifications, but it was tube, the stainless steel. In the presentation, when he measured diameters and thickness it was tube, and at the end when he picked up the deformed chunk it was also tube.
@scottuk66 Жыл бұрын
British Stainless Steel
@tonystark2115 Жыл бұрын
watching this after news of the Titan Oceanside sub, the difference between carbon fiber and titanium is huge, thats crazy
@zarbon700 Жыл бұрын
The CF on the Titan was actually weaker than the one in this video. CF tubes are stronger at taking compression when vertical than horizontal. Titan was doomed to fail.
@kiyoshim9593 Жыл бұрын
@@forbidden-cyrillic-handle Yeah they do. RUssians do it all the time but guess what. most titanium comes from Russia. Anyways the best thing ocean gate could've done is to just use a steel pipe and add more bouyancy
@tonystark2115 Жыл бұрын
@@zarbon700 thats even crazier
@mtnbikr107 Жыл бұрын
Stockton Rush: I'm going to make an experimental submersible out of carbon fiber. Reality: 5:11
@mrstanlez Жыл бұрын
I remember a crew of Ocean Gate, that they vessel was from carbon at deep 3800 meters near wreckage Titanic🚢. Yes pressure is something another level for carbon.
@scottwendt9575 Жыл бұрын
So all those brilliant Aerospace guys who made fun of SpaceX choosing shiny steel over sexy carbon fiber suddenly don’t have as much to say! 😉👍
@casbah2075 Жыл бұрын
Atmospheric pressure where your are rn: 1 Atmospheric pressure in space: 0 Atmospheric pressure at the bottom of the ocean near the Titanic: 375. Carbon fiber is still strong and light weight meaning building parts of aircraft and spacecraft is not a bad idea. But going to the bottom of the ocean we’re the pressure is 6000 psi. No. Funnily enough the Titan was built from Boeing carbon fiber.
@floatingrabbit3556 Жыл бұрын
@@casbah2075Boeing fibre or not. Its still carbon fibre.
@alec8904 Жыл бұрын
not sure if you know this but deep ocean diving and spacecraft are two completely different things
@scottwendt9575 Жыл бұрын
@@alec8904 US Navy stationed at COMSUBGRU 8 and on the rescue salvage ship T-ARS 53 USNS Grapple, responsible for recovering military aircraft among other things from the ocean floor…. so I am kind of aware….
@jasfay7219 Жыл бұрын
@@floatingrabbit3556I don't think you read the first part of their comment. Carbon fibres fine for use in aeroplanes or rockets but not for submersibles
@LPMutagen Жыл бұрын
Too bad a certain submarine company didn't watch this video.
@Nortontube-l1w Жыл бұрын
Oceangate?
@bishopp14 Жыл бұрын
@@Nortontube-l1wNo, the other one.
@Fairlane55 Жыл бұрын
@@bishopp14 😆 hahaha
@mrki412 Жыл бұрын
Who gives a Sht! about rich tards that want to see ship wreck?! Everyday innocent ppl and children die all over the 3rd part countries and you don't whine...
@bishopp14 Жыл бұрын
@@Fairlane55 😁
@StaticBlaster Жыл бұрын
4:25 With the carbon fiber, compression starts at approximately 2000 kg. This is why you don't use carbon fiber for submersibles.
@mandh147 ай бұрын
I want to see a hydraulic press crush another hydraulic press😂
@slothmarathonpromotions24703 ай бұрын
That’s how baby presses are made.
@northindian344 Жыл бұрын
This video clearly explains the failure of titan sub craft😊😇
@prasann.9999 Жыл бұрын
Apple CEO watched this video before iPhone 15 launch 😂
So that is why a carbon fiber hull is a stupid idea.... ocean gate forgott to see some videos in youtube during the engineering...
@dickedits Жыл бұрын
Carbon fiber is as durable as pvc 💀
@cabruin98 Жыл бұрын
Carbon fiber is great for most strength applications but not for compression. As you can see in this video, the hydraulic press compromises the fiber one strand layer at a time.
@Scroolewse7 ай бұрын
this is not why a carbon fiber hull is a stupid idea.
@steelfalconx2000 Жыл бұрын
Ok so the takeaway here is to build a sub out of hydraulic presses in the future. Got it.
@IIlllIlIllIIlllII Жыл бұрын
My top fuel dragster has a compression ratio of 25,000:1 on 8 hydraulic press cylinders. It's an external combustion engine. Runs on Vaseline glass. 😂
@Dipj01 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, anyone knows what the ends of the hydraulic press are made of? Especially the lower one that he moves around freely?
@IIlllIlIllIIlllII Жыл бұрын
@@Dipj01 Hardened/Tool steel typically.
@elgayetas Жыл бұрын
@@Dipj01I don't know , but probably good ol' NY steel ot Pittsburgh. I don't know man I'm not an engineer just a pawn in this world
@mittelwelle_531_khz Жыл бұрын
If that experiment is ever replicated I'd suggest to include video taken with a thermal camera so that we get an idea of the temperature profile along the length of the test tubes. The energy spent by the press (force times displacement) must go somewhere if the material heats up - and it needs to - the warmed up parts probably get weaker in absorb even more energy so the compression effect concentrates in these places.
@wmden1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. This was more fascinating than usual. I figured the stainless would do pretty well. It is not super hard, but is very tough. Both the stainless and the titanium kept a lot of strength, after the sides started folding.
@kiyoshim9593 Жыл бұрын
Stainless is strong but not as strong as many Steel alloys. Some steel alloys are really strong but hard to work with, hence engine steel blocks are so expensive to make.
@wmden1 Жыл бұрын
@@kiyoshim9593 This is true. Tool steel is strong, for sure, but brittle after heat treating. A sample of the same dimensions as these would have broken, instead of folding, in this test, but probably would have held up to more pressure than any of the others. That would have been interesting to see, also. It might have damaged the press, though.
@Jagdtoq Жыл бұрын
I once bought some armour plate steel, apparently 30% tougher than standard NATO spec , the guys also said they welded it with stainless steel rods, so I guess it was similar in composition, so the toughness demonstrated here does not surprise me. The Russian Mir subs use 50mm thick maraging steel alloy.
@kiyoshim9593 Жыл бұрын
@@Jagdtoq Uhm. Stainless steel have many variations. one costing 4 times more than the others. so its meh.
@raul490 Жыл бұрын
ah yes im going to take out my hydraulic press out my backpack and both my titanium and carbon fiber cylinders and try this at home
@iwantmypot2 жыл бұрын
5:03 So that's how fake eyelashes are made! 🤔
@thomasfleming8415 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to do these tests under water to see how long the materials would hold up while being cooled.
@tee4222 Жыл бұрын
I Don’t think it would make any difference, so long as the water can escape as the tube is crushed. The metals don’t start heating up until after they fail.
@MinhQuangNguyen-og4mz Жыл бұрын
Interesting idea, I think they did test carbon fiber in a submarine called ‘Titan’, I wonder if it survived
@lancetheking7524 Жыл бұрын
@@MinhQuangNguyen-og4mz we all went there lmao
@MinhQuangNguyen-og4mz Жыл бұрын
@@lancetheking7524 lol
@zes3813 Жыл бұрын
wrrg
@andres201292 Жыл бұрын
4:20 it is possible that this is what the 5 people in the submarine heard... seconds later, they would all be instantly dead.... damn...
@Powerful_Tiger Жыл бұрын
Yup a robot recorded that sound and they diednot after second it's 1/10th of millisecond its hard to imagine that
It would be nice to also test the tension strength of these materials.
@keithwatson78302 жыл бұрын
As well as torsion and shear
@Elrog32 жыл бұрын
@@ES-sb3ei It is not testing all that. Whatever fails first is teh only thing you have a number on.
@joet.2078 Жыл бұрын
What I want to know is what that hydraulic press is made of, it’s apparently tougher than any of those metals that got crushed… Make a submarine using the same metals that the hydraulic press is made of… 😮
@juliencormier8760 Жыл бұрын
The problem might be the lack of buoyancy.
@Phi1Productions Жыл бұрын
I don't know what type of steel the hydraulic is made, but one type of steel is Maraging steel. It would take 22000000 kg of pressure to break it.
@Yukanhayt-Mhenow Жыл бұрын
You'd have to build it's own rockets to move it
@freevipservers Жыл бұрын
It's just most likely a really thick chuck of tool steel, not maraging steel
@Nightdare Жыл бұрын
@@juliencormier8760 You don't need buoyancy to dive 😋 But semi-serious, you'd use this material for the pressure vessel, and mount buoyancy tanks on it
@scottw550 Жыл бұрын
So then, don't use a carbon fiber tube as a pressure hull on a submarine.
@napoliskey Жыл бұрын
They didn't. they used a steel tube covered by Carbon Fiber and epoxy.
@thanos5220 Жыл бұрын
@napoliskey Yeah, but if the carbon fiber still failed, it still would've been catastrophic
@napoliskey Жыл бұрын
@@thanos5220 yeah? You know that how?
@thanos5220 Жыл бұрын
@napoliskey Cuz it ain't Christmas wrapping for show, like a present. It has a purpose, and multiple ppl who worked there said as much.
@thanos5220 Жыл бұрын
@@napoliskey And some of the interior WAS carbon fiber
@dosendaring5 ай бұрын
10:45 Acrylic WAS 1538 kg and PVC only 1004 kg
@Afnanop014 ай бұрын
Acrylic is a very hard plastic
@dosendaring4 ай бұрын
Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) is a synthetic plastic polymer made from the polymerization of vinyl chloride gas
@ColdWarVet607 Жыл бұрын
Seeing what happened to the carbon fiber under pressure gives insight to the failure method caused by cyclic stress on the hull of the research sub made of the same stuff. As well the response of the steel and titanium which are strong and highly ductile, thus resisting cyclic stress induced faults and brittle fracture. This is exactly why these materials are used by the US Navy in the hulls of our submarines. This video is an excellent education in materials properties. The pvc pipe and metals are an excellent example of whats referred in Materials Science as "plastic deformation", same pretty much goes for the carbon fiber. I expected to see the PVC fail via brittle fracture, did the slow pressure build up induce heat and thus make it more ductile? There are four bonding methods of molecules, ionic, covalent, metallic, and van der Waals. It's all about your bond type and the materials either element or compound, molecular alignment be it natural or induced. Theses are all a very well understood and documented failures of the materials, you should read up on why they fail in these manners. A Very cool display of materials science summed up and shown quite nicely. Being a prior Reactor Operator onboard US Navy Nuclear Subs, materials science was a major part of our studies. Pardon the pun but it was "Science in motion"
@Mick-Jam71 Жыл бұрын
I REALLY learned! Thanks! Thank you for your service❣️
@kingwillie206 Жыл бұрын
The port window was only rated for 1300m and they used at least 4 incompatible materials to build the sub. You can’t attach plastics, metals, rubber, and carbon fiber together and not expect the materials to weaken at contact points over time. Commercial flat roofs are notorious for leaks because of degradation along the contact points between metal flashing, plastic vent caps, and various types of roofing materials. Changes in temperature expand and contract those respective molecules at different rates. Add atmospheric pressure and other unknown factors beyond my knowledge and you definitely have cause for concern.
@ColdWarVet607 Жыл бұрын
@@kingwillie206 Agreed. Dissimilar materials have faults induced at the boundary. Carbon Fiber is basically fiber and glue. As both are subject to stress, the "brittle" glue is torn from the fiber. This continues on each dive and now there is a large fault area, which can not support what it did when it was new. Carbon fiber is know to only have a few cycles to it before failure. The steel used when I was in service for our class sub was HY80, good for hundreds of hundreds of compression's and its X-ray'd in port to determine hull integrity with a nuclear source on one side of the hull and film on the other.
@kingwillie206 Жыл бұрын
@@ColdWarVet607 - That makes what he did even more ridiculous. I imagine the X-Ray process would be difficult to impossible with that sub, but I have no clue and doubt he did it even once.
@ColdWarVet607 Жыл бұрын
@@kingwillie206 Very Exspense project to do so and of course you need a nuclear source. I would imagine major ship building yards have them but a small private outfit that built there sub probably not. Not sure if carbon fiber can be xray'd...maybe, but probably too expensive to do again. We only got the hull xray'd after initial build if the hull was cut during an overhaul or damage from collisions. Yep that happens more than the public knows.
@tedantares2751 Жыл бұрын
Also, steel and titanium do not suffer from fatigue, while aluminum and carbon fiber composites do.
@mf7520 Жыл бұрын
All materials suffer from fatigue- some have a longer fatigue life than others under similar loading conditions.
@jdirty3460 Жыл бұрын
Oh yes they do
@tomo2597 Жыл бұрын
I thought that carbon fiber doesn't degrade...Maybe it's not true?
@Anon54387 Жыл бұрын
@@tomo2597 He said it fatigues which is technically different from degradation.
@Anon54387 Жыл бұрын
@@mf7520 Exactly right. In theory, steel wouldn't fatigue if it is kept within its elastic limit but there is always some localized stresses that are higher so areas can go into plastic deformation.
@onewade1974 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm a knife collector and have recently gotten into learning about different metals/ materials. With these results, I can use the weight and strength of each material to come up with a strength-to-weight scale. If you have a chance to come across different steels ( especially blade steels ) it would be fascinating to see independent results. Thanks again for the video
@Deadlyderivation Жыл бұрын
You are giving me psycho killer vibes
@user-svqmbiv Жыл бұрын
Important to note that strength in compression does not wholly encompass strength
@rb-ex7 ай бұрын
relative strength to weight ratios (compression strength/g weight): stainless steel (unspecified grade) 268 titanium 278 carbon fiber 273 aluminum 192 acrylic 171 PVC 91 mild steel 82 brass 57 only surprise here for me was acrylic, which has a strength:weight ratio near aluminum, though it fails more catastrophically than the others please note your chart @10:35 contains errors. you left out acrylic and misstate the strength of PVC as 1538-- it's 1004 (see @3:45)
@johngoard8272 Жыл бұрын
Wow quite a difference between those materials and I was always under the impression that carbon fibre is stronger than steel. This test shows that the submersible lost recently diving to the Titanic being covered in carbon fibre was indeed an accident waiting to happen.
@corners3755 Жыл бұрын
It is stronger than steel, but not for compression.
@serdaravsar5181 Жыл бұрын
it is stronger per mass than steel in tension. That's why it is used in aircraft and race cars where weight matters
@serdaravsar5181 Жыл бұрын
For this application weight does not matter so much. Steel and titanium can be used
@johngoard8272 Жыл бұрын
@@serdaravsar5181 Ok serdar have got that thank you!
@johngoard8272 Жыл бұрын
@@corners3755 Ok mate have got that thanks it wasn't really apparent on the video.
@rickhesek7461 Жыл бұрын
Very cool experiment! Thank you. For more meaningful results, it would be helpful to know what alloys, of each metal under test, was used. Also, what the resin system used for the carbon fiber layup. In other words, some baseline properties. Can you operate the press in reverse for tensile testing? Regarding the use of titanium for submersibles. The Russians have been using titanium for sub sea vehicles since the late 1940's. They learned that welding of Ti needed to be done in an inert atm.
@Das_Ginger Жыл бұрын
The thing with Ti is that if you were judging on strength, you can use less of it so it wouldn't be that much heavier than carbon. Plus it has a slow failure/deformation that allows a huge amount of give before letting go. Carbon just comes apart past a certain load.
@erinhaury5773 Жыл бұрын
You could actually hear it delaminating before it gave way. Just, 'snap, crackle, pop' and the whole thing peeled apart. There are plenty of great uses for carbon fiber, but in some cases, Ti would be my first choice between the two.
@alexisg311 Жыл бұрын
Gran trabajo. Muchas gracias.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@lear19802 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a thermal camera view of that test
@skunkjobb2 жыл бұрын
Yes but the metals have to be painted first, otherwise the camera will not show the correct temperature due to too high surface reflectivity. I filmed a bare stainless pot with boiling water with my IR camera and it only showed the temperature of the room (which reflected on the pot).
@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion2 жыл бұрын
@@skunkjobb very strange! On the camera must be a parameter to configure emissivity of the material, but in any cases the pot will emit more infrared radiation than surrounding environment!
@TheSuperBoyProject2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see your mom
@tomallen60732 жыл бұрын
With the load being applied uniformly I wouldn’t think it would be all that interesting.
@brianstryker45362 жыл бұрын
"Don't try this at home." Ah damn and here I was about to use my brand new Hydraulic press.
@amurican35 Жыл бұрын
As soon as I heard carbon fiber , I was flabbergasted. These were trained , highly educated men.
@MPjustaman Жыл бұрын
Yup! same ones who tell us a man can breast feed.
@scottmatheson3346 Жыл бұрын
@@MPjustamanno, they were rightwing libertarian dudebros, as evidenced by the fact that their idea of "diversity" was young white dudes instead of old white dudes. Please try to be less stupid next time you lie.
@Jimmy_Moon Жыл бұрын
The PVC looks like someone holding something heavy whilst doing the splits @ 3:41
@marcrod Жыл бұрын
If only Titan used Titanium...
@Model3GenerativeANdroid Жыл бұрын
_I'm bulletproof, nothing to lose_ _Fire away, fire away_ _Ricochet, you take your aim_ _Fire away, fire away_ _You shoot me down,_ _but I won't fall_ _I am titanium_
@rearspeaker6364 Жыл бұрын
@@Model3GenerativeANdroid The A-10's "bathtub".
@khallrik Жыл бұрын
they did... but only for the endcaps... which survived generally intact, of course.
@lukepoe1140 Жыл бұрын
OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush also used expired carbon fiber from Boeing to build his Titan pressure vessel. That's even worse. The FAA does not allow airlines to build or repair aircraft using expired CF because it's weaker. The resin used to hold the carbon fibers together is susceptible to degradation over time, which will alter the frame’s properties. Delamination is when layers of carbon fiber begin to unbond due to stress. Steel returns back to its original shape. Damage to carbon fiber remains and accumulates. The material is horrible for a sub. And even stainless steel is subject to corrosion and rusting in saltwater. Non-destructive testing and replacing parts are crucial after every trip. Additionally, the viewport of the Titan submersible was only built to a certifiable pressure of 1,300 meters (4,265 feet). The CEO refused to upgrade it.
@KittenBowl1 Жыл бұрын
Stainless steel is a great material but I never knew it could withstand this much force!! Amazing!! 🤩 Only thing is it is very hard to bend and it is very heavy compared to some of the metals I’ve worked with. I have used several different materials to make wire jewelries and I would not use stainless steel to make intricate designed jewelry. Very hard to bend also very heavy. I also didn’t know titanium was weaker than stainless steel. But the second strongest and hardest after stainless steel on the list! It’s also VERY light. I have a nice global auto-clock titanium watch made of rose gold outer layer (I’m a girl). I bought it because it’s the lightest metal looking watch I’ve ever owned. When I wear it it feels like not wearing anything. Love that watch and I use it everyday. Titanium though it’s usually black in color and the process to color or coat the titanium is said to be quite difficult. But mine is rose gold pink. 😂
@brianjob3018 Жыл бұрын
The consumer titanium I’ve seen was a medium to dark gray. Maybe this piece was more pure.
@mirandela777 Жыл бұрын
The titanium used here for sure was a cheap alloy, the quality titanium is 30% stronger than the steel.
@KingultimateforceАй бұрын
Titanium is just built different. OK that’s what my iPhone 15 is made of.