All Atheist Arguments Answered? Reacting to Redeemed Zoomer

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@xXixsfasx
@xXixsfasx 8 ай бұрын
“God created evil so he could take credit for defeating it.” God is apparently on the same level of evil as Gortash from Baldur’s Gate 3
@theguilloriousmind5832
@theguilloriousmind5832 8 ай бұрын
Spoilers? 😢 Lol
@TheCow-j1l
@TheCow-j1l 8 ай бұрын
syndrome from the incredibles
@BlueNinjakoopa553
@BlueNinjakoopa553 8 ай бұрын
Major Man from Powerpuff Girls
@leoskyi
@leoskyi 6 ай бұрын
but this god created evil out of love of course lol
@TheTrueValkyrie66
@TheTrueValkyrie66 4 ай бұрын
Greg Locke has also claimed that "god will let things die just so he can bring them back to life" referring not just to living being but your finances etc
@BaronVonQuiply
@BaronVonQuiply 8 ай бұрын
My favorite argument of his on this is, aside from me thinking the GF one was a joke by the responder the first time I heard it, it's _"You think we don't know about this glaring problem we have? Next!"_
@SilverDragonJay
@SilverDragonJay 8 ай бұрын
you know what the most compelling evidence for atheism is for me? the fact that even trained apologists have to misrepresent and/or misinterpret our arguments. This guy is just especially pathetic.
@joearnold6881
@joearnold6881 7 ай бұрын
Yep. This guy is an embarrassment to apologists, and apologists are disgusting liars.
@thecofounders
@thecofounders 8 ай бұрын
"Is Robin Williams' Genie stronger than God?" Well considering Robin Williams' Genie killed itself, something God can't do, I'd say yes.
@xiao668
@xiao668 8 ай бұрын
Robin Williams could create something too heavy for himself to lift
@TheCow-j1l
@TheCow-j1l 8 ай бұрын
I think using wojaks should immediately discredit your arguments.
@ashfox7498
@ashfox7498 8 ай бұрын
If demonic possession is real, and possessed people speak in languages they don't know, then a scientist should be able to study that. "Documented cases" might as well be "one time my buddy Keith got possessed.."
@animalxINSTINCT89
@animalxINSTINCT89 8 ай бұрын
Admits to Christianity being a massive cope for having a shitty life
@sbushido5547
@sbushido5547 8 ай бұрын
This is your brain on apologetics. "Reddit tier" apologetics, even. That thing about "defeating evil is better than having never created it" is just plain unhinged. It's a condemnation both of his blinkered beliefs and of the god he believes in...and he doesn't even recognize it.
@woundedone
@woundedone 8 ай бұрын
His God acting like Homelander
@StarryxNight5
@StarryxNight5 8 ай бұрын
No, but it's worse than that. If you posit this, then you have to ask _how much?_ How great must evil become for God's name to be sufficiently glorified in its defeat? Because God could've just created a dick in a man's ass and then chucked a collapsing star and a quasar at it and said "I have vanquished evil!" But he didn't. So, there has to be a sufficient _amount_ or _quality_ of evil for him to be satisfied. God is already infinitely good, so how much evil would it take to glorify that? Infinite? Is earth a literal hell planet doomed to suffer for eternity until god finally decides to pull the plug and fulfil his promises by vanquishing evil?
@SLAUGHTERAMA
@SLAUGHTERAMA 8 ай бұрын
“Don’t ask me about abortion tho”- Okay. I think abortion is fine. It’s not murder because the discussion on whether a fetus is alive or not past a certain point is a **religious** question, not a medical one. If you believe that all fetuses are people at every step, then why don’t we have impregnation certificates instead of birth certificates? Why do we wait until birth to bestow personhood?
@adammarrow5980
@adammarrow5980 8 ай бұрын
Is an orange evil or good? Sir, an orange is annoying...
@lady_draguliana784
@lady_draguliana784 8 ай бұрын
far as I can tell, Stalin was the only directly atheist dictator... almost every genocide, even "ethnic" ones, seem to all have religious aspects as well. African Tribal Genocides are often sanctioned by, or LED by, their internal religious leaders (whatever that tribe calls them), and many use the refusal of other tribes to adhere to THEIR tribal faith as the justification of their campaigns of conquest. Furthermore, the beliefs of the dictator are irrelevant if they still use religion to motivate their subjects to carry out wars of conquest and genocide.
@FrozEnbyWolf150
@FrozEnbyWolf150 8 ай бұрын
I would add, Stalin's beliefs would best be described as Stalinism, since they hinged on whatever Stalin himself was thinking on any given day. I've seen religious apologists use Stalin to attack atheists, and I've seen right wingers use Stalin to attack communism. Neither of these are true, because atheists are not a monolith, and neither are communists. Stalin's form of authoritarian communism worked more like a combination of state capitalism and Lysenkoism. In terms of science, Stalin himself believed in Lamarckism, which is very different from modern evolutionary theory to say the least.
@lady_draguliana784
@lady_draguliana784 8 ай бұрын
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 indeed so. Stalin's Atheist tendencies, policies, and actions seemed to have nothing at all to do with beliefs, and everything to do with consolidating all forms of social control under himself. The church had influence and power that he didn't control, so it had to go.
@soulplexis
@soulplexis 8 ай бұрын
Full disclosre im a christian. But the thing is Stalin literally re opened the orthodox churches. I dont think that he qualifies as a inherently atheist ruler. He also defeated Hitler so I think he was a hero, regardless of what his religious beliefs were
@lady_draguliana784
@lady_draguliana784 8 ай бұрын
@@soulplexis respectful counterpoint, conservative estimates imply Stalin Genocided at least 6 million within the soviet boarders, and deliberately sacrificed 3 million more via foreseeable deaths due to policy changes, meaning his regime killed 20-30% more people than the Nazi's did in the holocaust (~6mil jews, ~1mil others). he also said that 'the good socialist of the future is an atheist one'. and his reestablishment of the Russian Orthodox Church was overtly designed to drive Nationalism, not faith, and he said as much. (something along the lines of 'if they're going to worship, let them worship as russians' if I recall correctly)
@aureliodeprimus8018
@aureliodeprimus8018 8 ай бұрын
@@lady_draguliana784 You also have to remember that Stalin was an incredibly paranoid man. He would do anything if it would ensure that he could sleep safe at night. He literally stopped trying to assasinate Jugoslavias leader Tito after he received a letter from Tito threatening him to send assasins to him in return.
@PizzaPastaCat
@PizzaPastaCat 8 ай бұрын
Religious zoomers took bad arguments from 10-15 years ago and put wojacks in front, this is deeply embarrassing.
@ved2360
@ved2360 8 ай бұрын
Don't give him credit. Most of these aren't even real arguments people make and there's a couple that smarter Christians would be embarrassed to make.
@n0etic_f0x
@n0etic_f0x 8 ай бұрын
I love that he frames as “Things that the church has never noticed” no it’s shirt that the church has no answers for. They attempted answers but they are trash.
@DefinitelyAPotato
@DefinitelyAPotato 8 ай бұрын
These are some fucking "hilarious" answers. His answer to "why can't god destroy evil" is "he will... eventually" but then he also somehow either can't or won't smite evil people despite his track record of supposedly doing exactly that?
@DefinitelyAPotato
@DefinitelyAPotato 8 ай бұрын
His answer to the omnipotence paradox is "god can't contradict himself"? Then he's not all powerful! That's why it's a paradox, genius! What a big brain RedeemedZoomer has.
@DefinitelyAPotato
@DefinitelyAPotato 8 ай бұрын
Even if you take Jesus existing as a given, it really doesn't matter if the "real" jesus didn't do any of the stuff the bible's jesus supposedly did.
@CodeGeese-bg3kr
@CodeGeese-bg3kr 8 ай бұрын
There's just too much paperwork gods got to complete first before he's allowed to stop evil or something.
@StarryxNight5
@StarryxNight5 8 ай бұрын
​@@DefinitelyAPotatoMaybe he doesn't think of that as too much of a problem? God can do anything he wants to anything other than himself, so he's "all-powerful" enough for him.
@xuxuang8574
@xuxuang8574 8 ай бұрын
I lived in "communist" China. Which is about as secular as it is communist. Which is to say not at all. I'd say around 90% of people in China follow one of the religions you've heard of, or the unnamed Chinese folk religion which adopts deities from Taoist sources as well as local nature spirits and the like.
@0Fyrebrand0
@0Fyrebrand0 8 ай бұрын
Is it an unwritten rule that religious apologists can't just be wrong and have bad arguments, but they also have to be shifty, knowingly dishonest shitlords about it as well?
@kingofsting19
@kingofsting19 2 ай бұрын
Basically. Most people are raised religious, but only as a matter of social obligation. That's why, as Jake alluded to, your geographic place of origin has more impact on what you're raised to believe more than the strength of any of those faiths and their ideas themselves. Most people don't actually think that deeply about interrogating their own conception of how existence works, and generally speaking, most people who start end up either full atheist or just psychically finding a nice pigeonhole to square the contradictions, so as to continue to believe in comforting ideas like a benevolent afterlife where our and our loved ones' consciousnesses can exist peacefully, or an objective arbiter and meter of justice against the injustice of the world. Generally speaking, the ones who try the hardest to defend not just the logical framework of the religion, but all the specific, arbitrary, sometimes even contradictory guidelines of the religion, are the ones who most stand to benefit from the desecularization of whatever society they live in. In the Redeemed Zoomer's case, there's a lot of downwardly mobile, socially inept, young white men like him who are keenly aware that the pendulum of Western culture is swinging away from Patriarchy, and want to try to get back to the better deal they felt they were promised for being white guys, and think making things like 1950 again will get them a house, a wife, and 2.5 children, all of which they can be the master of.
@quartzninja
@quartzninja 8 ай бұрын
Why did he even make this video? Every single one of this guy's responses ends up being the most basic Internet apologetics possible. This is genuinely embarrassing.
@n0etic_f0x
@n0etic_f0x 8 ай бұрын
Beacuse you will see it all the time. I know Mr. Redeemed Zoomer is the dumb sawse but people find it profound somehow. I
@_TehTJ_
@_TehTJ_ 8 ай бұрын
It's not even apologetics, it's mostly just "yes, and?"
@n0etic_f0x
@n0etic_f0x 8 ай бұрын
@@_TehTJ_ I mean… yeah. That makes it truly pathetic. Decent apologetics at least take effort. Don’t get me wrong they all suck but it’s at least better. Like I can tell this is a zoomer because they can only make decades old arguments. You are a child you can’t argue only parrot adults.
@deadinside8891
@deadinside8891 8 ай бұрын
If evil is a lack of good: then describe neutral. Is the wind evil? Is water evil? Is a snail evil? What defines something as good or evil in this scenario? If there is no middle ground, how do you determine a good thing if there is no middle ground? If a rock falls on someone because the wind pushed it: is the rock evil for killing someone? Is the wind evil for pushing it? I feel like he didn’t really think this concept through all that much.
@theguilloriousmind5832
@theguilloriousmind5832 8 ай бұрын
That last sentence can be applied to the all of his arguments tbh 😂
@CodeGeese-bg3kr
@CodeGeese-bg3kr 8 ай бұрын
Yeah its a view called the privation theory of evil and its basically only believed by a subset of Christians since its completely stupid. The main counterexample I see given is pain, clearly pain actually exists and is not just the lack of pleasure and we even understand how pain is "created" by the body
@Razoredge581
@Razoredge581 8 ай бұрын
Is this some whatifalthist alt account?
@BaronVonQuiply
@BaronVonQuiply 8 ай бұрын
06:12 Flashback of Jake and Hannah telling G Man _"It's on the same page!"_
@lady_draguliana784
@lady_draguliana784 8 ай бұрын
I don't think most theist apologists understand what constitutes "science". like, they think god made the wheel, not a dude that needed to move some stuff easier, and figured it out through trial, error, and accumulating knowledge through observation.
@deadinside8891
@deadinside8891 8 ай бұрын
It’s kind of offensive honestly. The church didn’t make science: we humans are (usually) inherently scientific. We create and wonder about things.
@FrozEnbyWolf150
@FrozEnbyWolf150 8 ай бұрын
It also ignores the fact that the scientists apologists cite as famous "Christians" were often stifled, persecuted, and silenced by religious institutions. He has the gall to show a picture of Galileo, knowing full well what the Church did to him. Meanwhile, Newton ascribed to Arianism, not Trinitarianism, and did not believe Jesus was divine, a belief that would have gotten him capital punishment if he'd expressed it openly. Regardless, none of this really matters, as it's unremarkable to say that people were Christian in a time and place where that was the majority religion. Correlation is not causation.
@lady_draguliana784
@lady_draguliana784 8 ай бұрын
@@deadinside8891 indeed, it's essentially robbing people of Agency... of course, that's kind of their goal in most cases... 🙄
@FrozEnbyWolf150
@FrozEnbyWolf150 8 ай бұрын
My previous response got deleted. I was going to say, he couldn't have picked worse examples of "Christian" scientists to make his point. Did he forget what the Church did to Galileo? As for Newton, he was a non-Trinitarian, a belief that would have gotten him imprisoned or worse if he'd expressed it openly. Besides, it's not that remarkable to point out that people were Christian at a time and place where that was the majority religion. Correlation is not causation, except when it's convenient to his arguments.
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 8 ай бұрын
_"Faith, if it is ever right about anything, is right by accident."_ [Sam Harris]
@rylanharris104
@rylanharris104 8 ай бұрын
Daaamn I'm only partway through the video and I have second-hand embarrassment for this guy. Thanks for all the new uploads!
@christophertablante7680
@christophertablante7680 8 ай бұрын
Ah, the latest form of apologetics; worthless, sarcastic answers that don't help anyone whom is struggling with their faith. Redeemed my ass, how about the Useless Zoomer.
@JNB0723
@JNB0723 7 ай бұрын
Its funny because zoomers and millenials are the most atheist, with 30% in the US, and almost 50% in Europe. China and Japan are also secularly influenced...
@dumbumbumbum8649
@dumbumbumbum8649 8 ай бұрын
The “well you wouldn’t be an atheist if you were born somewhere else, either” thing doesn’t even make any sense. I wasn’t born in a community of atheists. I went to a Christian school and church, those were the only two places in my life, and I still became an atheist with no outside influence just by thinking about the things they told me for a little bit.
@deadinside8891
@deadinside8891 8 ай бұрын
It sounds like he’s presuming that atheism comes from outside influences rather than internal thought. This could mean he thinks one of two things: Belief in god is inherent and is pushed out or all beliefs come from outside influences. Both of these are very stupid
@sbushido5547
@sbushido5547 8 ай бұрын
The implication he doesn't know he's making is "you wouldn't be an atheist if you were born in a place/time where atheists would be shunned or worse." Which is probably true...but says more about the oppressive nature of religion than the validity of religious beliefs.
@dumbumbumbum8649
@dumbumbumbum8649 8 ай бұрын
@@sbushido5547 I mean, I still would be, I’d just lie about it if there were significant consequences
@FrozEnbyWolf150
@FrozEnbyWolf150 8 ай бұрын
I would say, it's precisely because I grew up in a majority Christian country and went to a Christian school that I'm an atheist today. That school showed me some of the worst behavior and hypocrisy of religious believers, and left me disillusioned when it came to the big questions of life. The only credit I'll give them is that their interpretation of scripture was more liberal than in other evangelical sects. I found church services to be monotonous and unfulfilling, and with too many strict rules meant to punish kids for being kids. I eventually lapsed out of religion after leaving that school, and saw no reason to ever go back to church. The religiously motivated bigotry I saw later in life only reinforced my decision.
@coletrickle1775
@coletrickle1775 8 ай бұрын
Um, If you have the power, like, all the power, like the sky wizard is supposed to have, then vanquishing evil is in fact not super awesome. It's Jessie Smolett shit. Making up an enemy, then defeating that enemy is hot garbage. How are these theists so dumb?
@deadinside8891
@deadinside8891 8 ай бұрын
I’ve always had a theory that religion dampens empathy and critical thinking. What god is essentially doing is creating subjects to torment into worshiping him and then slaying the thing he created to torment his worshipers. It would be like taking a animal, cutting one of its legs off, and then eventually giving it a prosthetic later on. It’s psychotic. Just because you “fixed” the problem, doesn’t mean the pain and suffering you caused by creating it just magically goes away.
@FrozEnbyWolf150
@FrozEnbyWolf150 8 ай бұрын
Also, what kind of father or parental figure does that to their own children? Children are not your property, they are individual human beings with wants, needs, and rights of their own. Just because you created someone does not give you the right to do that. I would argue that even if I had vast cosmic powers and could speak or conjure people into existence, it does not then give me the right to harm them.
@not_enough_space
@not_enough_space 8 ай бұрын
Why did Redeemed Zoomer even make his video? He's attacking unusually bad arguments that were never meant to establish atheism in the first place, he's trying to do it by giving only the most lazy excuses, and he's clearly failing. Is he even for real? Is he actually some kind of parody?
@trashpanda3837
@trashpanda3837 8 ай бұрын
So Christians decided slavery was bad even though God had specific instructions on keeping slaves? Isn't that disobedience?
@matthewhorrigan5848
@matthewhorrigan5848 8 ай бұрын
100 bucks this dude's bedroom smells like cheese.
@icook1723
@icook1723 8 ай бұрын
Stalin belived in wo wo as well, he belived in Astrology.
@Noname72105
@Noname72105 8 ай бұрын
Even heroes can have flaws.
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 8 ай бұрын
_"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."_ [Victor Stenger]
@j0j0dartiste21
@j0j0dartiste21 8 ай бұрын
I find the name "redeemed" zoomer amusing. Like, kid you are barely past 20, what were you doing that was so awful to be "redeemed"?
@xuxuang8574
@xuxuang8574 8 ай бұрын
If I had to guess, it would be thoughts about strange penis.
@redmage5251
@redmage5251 8 ай бұрын
making wojak memes
@StarryxNight5
@StarryxNight5 8 ай бұрын
Being born human. No seriously, that's it. That's literally all that he's being redeemed of, according to him. Original sin is a trip
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 8 ай бұрын
"God" is just an unfalsifiable assumption (inelegant hypothesis) without any explanatory power.
@n0etic_f0x
@n0etic_f0x 8 ай бұрын
Just being honest, if there is some mythic figure in the... whatever is past death, I am thankful to it for getting me out of this before I was twenty years old. I was deep into this trash and hated myself for it. I am over it now but the damn scars are still there. I am glad for who it allowed me to become but only because I can get other people out of it. It is such a weird mindset. Just last night I had a guy to whom I had given my number after we talked about stuff over coffee and tacos and he came over after a bad day at work and he was like "Wow, that was so awesome! I will remember this for the rest of my life" All I did was play video games, have sex, and make him breakfast. I did not fly them to Parris and marry them while swimming in a pool of caviar. I just got him over a crappy day.
@kernelpanic_init1
@kernelpanic_init1 7 ай бұрын
I love the fact Newton hated church and he had to keep his disbelief for Trinity a secret for all of his life.
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 8 ай бұрын
_"Gods & magic are the simplest & most infantile excuses men have ever invented to explain things they didn't & still don't even want to understand."_ [Aron Ra]
@dreadcircumference
@dreadcircumference 8 ай бұрын
brotherman john intricately crafted the dumbest strawmen of all time and STILL lost 😂
@gerrye114
@gerrye114 8 ай бұрын
The church in the slave holding south split with with the abolitionist church in the north and founded the Southern Baptist Convention. Guess which church has a huge impact on modern American evangelical churches
@kermitthorson9719
@kermitthorson9719 8 ай бұрын
his attempt to escape the "fake" lines in the bible is soooo bad. say i hand you a stack of 100 $100 bills. then i say some may be fake. do you just assume that every one is real and you have &1,000 or do you at least assume you have at most &900 and search for answers?
@syndicalist-0
@syndicalist-0 8 ай бұрын
I dont wanna be that guy but im on a personal crusade against this very specific bit of false information.....back in ancient times, lets say around 0 CE and even through the middle ages, lets say 800 to 1400, life expectancy wasnt as low as it seems at face value. Most metrics take child mortality, which was absurdly high, into account abd then its presented as a single stat. If you made it through childhood, you could live up to 80 sometimes. On average it was more like 65 to 75 depending on the time, place, and events. For instance during any of the great plagues, mortality rates were incredibly higher than what youd see in other times obviously. Im sorry....i like the vid, and fuck this Christian guy, but that always bothers me the few times its brought up lol
@CrowManyClouds
@CrowManyClouds 8 ай бұрын
I was about to make the same point.
@syndicalist-0
@syndicalist-0 8 ай бұрын
@@CrowManyClouds I'm glad I'm not the only one!
@FrozEnbyWolf150
@FrozEnbyWolf150 8 ай бұрын
The absurdly high child mortality rates were also the reason why people had lots and lots of children back in the day. You never knew if the kids you already had would make it, and your livelihood depended on raising more children if you were a subsistence farmer. It's actually a good thing that people today don't feel this pressure to have more children than they can properly care for. Also, the conservatives, typically Christian conservatives, who complain about people not having kids conveniently ignore the fact that people are struggling to support themselves, and can ill afford to start a family with more mouths to feed.
@syndicalist-0
@syndicalist-0 8 ай бұрын
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 exactly. But they'd rather push ideals that dont apply today and stay totally out of touch for their own gain. Gotta make more little consumers.
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 8 ай бұрын
_"Glauben heißt Nicht-wissen-wollen, was wahr ist."_ [Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche] (Faith means not wanting to know what's true.)
@deadinside8891
@deadinside8891 8 ай бұрын
5:32 wasn’t there a REALLY famous case of a guy getting hit on the head and having his main language swap to Japanese instead of English? The human brain is vastly complex and to use something as complex as language comprehension to try and justify the supernatural is insanely dishonest.
@sbushido5547
@sbushido5547 8 ай бұрын
idk...that seems very unlikely. You can't just spontaneously know a language. The couple of cases a quick google search brings up are of people who already had some familiarity with the language.
@deadinside8891
@deadinside8891 8 ай бұрын
@@sbushido5547 if my memory serves me right, the guys job required that he spend a lot of time with people who spoke Japanese and the leading theory was that he subconsciously picked up some of the language over time
@poigntless
@poigntless 8 ай бұрын
Imagine you're griddying on beach in fortnite when you come across a grimace shake. You, being rizzed as you are, intuit that a grimace shake is the product of a creator...
@Kaylakaze
@Kaylakaze 8 ай бұрын
I'm tired of how many people reacted to this REALLY idiotic video, but I suppose everyone's running out of videos to comment on.
@Happyisboss
@Happyisboss 8 ай бұрын
Some dust smacked into some other dust and made some cool dust vs a person, a man, who has the power to sing things into existence was the first thing that ever was. This guy then spoke the world into existence ad we see it now and it has only changed a little bit since... which makes more sense
@deadinside8891
@deadinside8891 8 ай бұрын
I mean, dust IS pretty cool
@sbushido5547
@sbushido5547 8 ай бұрын
@@deadinside8891 And is actually real. Which helps.
@JasmineTeaEnjoyer
@JasmineTeaEnjoyer 7 ай бұрын
your above it all "im smarter than everyone" attitude is really gonna convince theists to join your side! keep up the great work!
@trashpanda3837
@trashpanda3837 8 ай бұрын
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." I am so tired of people saying that evil is just the absence of God's "good." He created evil according to your own book! He claims to have "created evil." Stop making excuses!
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 8 ай бұрын
_"Das Gegenteil von Wissen ist nicht Nichtwissen. Das Gegenteil von Wissen ist Glauben. Nichtwissen ist der erste Schritt, sich neues Wissen anzueignen. Glauben ist der letzte Schritt, sich neuem Wissen zu verweigern."_ [Gunkl] (The opposite of knowledge is not unknowing. The opposite of knowledge is faith. Unknowing is the first step to acquire new knowledge. Faith is the last step to refuse new knowledge.)
@camcam8995
@camcam8995 8 ай бұрын
I laughed when bro responded to the geographical argument with “if you were born somewhere else you wouldn’t be an atheist either” 😂😂😂 Like yeah dude that’s my fucking point😂
@dabluflcn
@dabluflcn 8 ай бұрын
Answering strawman arguments that have nothing to do with what atheism even is. Classic.
@TylertheCryeator
@TylertheCryeator 8 ай бұрын
I believe Cyrus the Great was the first to end slavery on moral grounds
@TheTrueValkyrie66
@TheTrueValkyrie66 4 ай бұрын
"People who have had ndes and drug trips say they're different" That is literally the opposite of true. It's not necessarily true that drug trip experiences and nde experiences are identical, and it's not necessarily true that the underlying mechanism is the same (dmt brain flood at death is a myth). The whole ndes=trips idea, however, does literally come from people who had both. The real debunk for this is that their accounts are neither reliable nor scientifically meaningful. However, this would mean he would have to question the validity of anecdotal evidence, which is fatal to christianity
@BearBear0498
@BearBear0498 8 ай бұрын
When i watched this video on stream yesterday i had an aneurysm so im happy to see jake having one too lmfao
@joearnold6881
@joearnold6881 7 ай бұрын
Ephesians 6:5 *_Slaves,_*_ obey your earthly _*_masters_*_ with _*_fear_*_ and trembling,_ in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; That’s from the primary approved Catholic English translation, by the way. The others are all extremely similar. The King James uses “servants”, but it’s still telling them to obey their “masters” so it clearly means “bondservants” (slaves), as was meant in the text it was translated from. It was literally talking to Christian _slaves,_ who would have been owned by non-Christian masters. Most apologists don’t even try to argue it doesn’t mean slaves. They’ll just try and handwave it by saying how common slavery was, or (grotesquely) “sometimes people went into slavery voluntarily”.
@therealkuzokun
@therealkuzokun 8 ай бұрын
An orange is good because it tastes delicious.
@kermitthorson9719
@kermitthorson9719 8 ай бұрын
id love to hear a jake and zoomer talk. he is just so juvenile
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 8 ай бұрын
_"It's a meaningless panaceac to invent a god that can do anything & be anything ... It serves as an answer for every question & as an explanation for nothing."_ [Matt Dillahunty]
@Egooist.
@Egooist. 8 ай бұрын
God ... _"Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur."_ (What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.)
@starlightsith
@starlightsith 7 ай бұрын
Ya know, nothing makes me feel the love of Jesus like being told I deserve every bad thing that ever happened (and will happen) to me.
@odog6009
@odog6009 6 ай бұрын
The universe isnt eternal, so there has to be a cause for the big bang.
@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic
@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic 8 ай бұрын
Read both Carrier and Ehrman. Bart uses quite a bit of wishful thinking. Carrier has more compelling evidence for his mythisist position.
@Otaku155
@Otaku155 2 ай бұрын
Atheist and Evangelical Christian; opposite beliefs but equally condescending.
@kermitthorson9719
@kermitthorson9719 8 ай бұрын
@17:29 he measn it's way easier and lazier to assume a cosmic genie did it and stop trying to figure it out than it is to be possibly left without a full answer but at least youre searching for truth and not bowing to a golden calf from millennia's old cult
@RenoRedhead77
@RenoRedhead77 8 ай бұрын
Ahhh just like the old days
@joearnold6881
@joearnold6881 7 ай бұрын
Sorry guy, but if your deity is “outside the natural world”… you would t believe in it. Your entire mythology, the very reason you pray to it, is because you think your god has done, and can continue to do things _within and effecting the natural world_ The instant you claim your god did a thing, anything, that’s a claim about the natural world that can be tested. Did it make the world 6000 years ago? Nope. Does it answer prayers? No evidence that it does. Did it force a child to give birth to itself (without having had sex first) so that it could later sacrifice itself _to_ itself in order to make itself forgive all the humans for something none of them did? Aside from being nonsensical (and also evil, scapegoating isn’t a good thing), there’s no evidence for *a y* of that. The foundation of your religion is a claim about the natural world. If Jesus existed, a dude walking around, physically interacting, comments on politics, all of that… that would be your god being _especially_ within the natural world.
@superduper7874
@superduper7874 8 ай бұрын
Man really said he was a mythist and to real Richard Carrier. I'm pretty sure mythism isn't taken seriously even by secular scholars.
@matt66716
@matt66716 8 ай бұрын
8:34 you say jesus didn’t exist but all biblical scholars say he did his existence is not refutable. You can’t agree with some of what the scholars say and deny the rest.
@kollekciorozsdas6110
@kollekciorozsdas6110 6 ай бұрын
But they did not present evidence for it. Just because they say he existed without proof is not a 100% its just a man a normal human named jesus could have existed
@LLSmith1
@LLSmith1 8 ай бұрын
The Epistles (Paul's letters) were written before the Gospels. You should know basic biblical history before trying to respond to these things.
@BearBear0498
@BearBear0498 8 ай бұрын
ACTUAL JAKE IS COPYING ME, I REACTED TO REDEEMED ZOOMER ON MY CHANNEL JUST THE OTHER DAY!!!! HOW COULD HE DO SUCH A THING (Anarcho Bear Bear if you wanna see the stream, video comes out tommorow. YES THIS WAS A SHAMELESS PLUG) It sucks i cant watch this video until i react to it first T.T
@MattWalters123
@MattWalters123 8 ай бұрын
This video is just sad. neither of you understand each other at all. both of you fail to understand.
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