All Missing Skaven - Total War Warhammer 3 - 2022

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Time for some RATS!

[@riccardo393e7]

It is likely having a completely dedicated dlc for verminking?

[@auramoonlight6978]

If I'm to be completely honest with you Lord of The grudges the truth is the skaven is my number one faction my most favorite and this is actually a DLC I'm waiting for and still waiting for honestly I know they're going to make it and it's going to come out I just don't know when, But this is why I love this given so much no matter how many you kill that's always more a huge overwhelming tide of rats that's usually how I like to play Battle with a massive army of rats why else would I get such an overpowered 980 pro two termites SSD card along with three HDD cards each one with eight terramytes in them if I'm going to zoom in and out and watch those massive rats battling with huge armies I'm going to need a lot of space and memory so that there will be absolutely no lag when I watch those massive armies of skaven battling them and hopefully news gave units with vermin Lords and heavens knows the scaven are going to need the vermin Lords and Warhammer three!!!

[@BusinessPlant]

Well. I’m glad to say a lot of the units in this video have become mods for wh3

[@J4R0D]

Queek needs Ska Bloodtail, same as Malekith needing Kouran Darkhand and Grimgor needs Borgut Facebeater. We need leiutenants!

[@iansalsich6508]

Steel Faith Overhaul mod adds Ska to Queek's campaign

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

they could always be added as followers similar to how Luthor Harkon has Captain Drekla having all these characters (including Drekla) as Legendary Heroes would undeniably be better to list the Legendary Heroes I feel are definitely missing there's Kouran Darkhand for Malekith Shadowblade for Hellebron Chakax for any Lizardman faction Ska for Queek Skweel Gnawtooth for Clan Moulder (unlike most of the other heroes I'm listing he isn't particually tied to Moulder's Legendary Lord but he is still tied to their faction) Borgut Facebeater for Grimgor Vardek Crom the Conquerer, Haargroth the Blooded, Feytor the Tainted, Vandred the Majestic (could be swapped out for Styrkaar of the Sortsvinaer), and Melekh the Changer (could be swapped out for his son Cyspeth) for Archaon. each of them would be better as a Legendary Lord within Archaon's faction but it feels like CA is doing their best to move away from having multiple Legendary Lords in a single faction so Legendary Heroes would be the next best thing

[@traviswillis5515]

Nathan, I really enjoyed hearing you talk about how these units do in the tabletop. Would love to see you make a video detailing some of your tabletop armies, both competitive and for fun, explaining how you use them, strengths and weaknesses, etc. I think that would be a lot of fun to watch

[@TheRiaden]

I'd love to see him do a tabletop battle sometime.

[@Drizzly0]

I would love that to but the views might be bad idk

[@thomasbal8864]

Don’t forget Ska Bloodtail from the “Headtaker” Black Library Novel, Nathen. Queek’s famed bodyguard and BFF as far as Skaven go will make for an excellent legendary hero for Queek Headtaker if he is added through a character pack. It also would be very nice to have a master moulder lord and a plaguelord lord as well for the Skaven.

[@GaratghDeloi]

To be clear, they only said 1."It will not take place during the end times", and 2."It will not feature age of sigmar stuff". So nothing about it not featuring end time stuff and the game already contains some (Silverin guard for example).

[@reivelt3715]

true, probably what they meant was not entering to story of end time, but will take unit or character from end time (if you think about it, nagash officially revive in end time)

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@reivelt3715 I don't think we actually get Nagash in WHIII , have CA even hinted that we would ?

[@thegreywaren]

@@Marcusjnmc I believe I heard from somewhere he was coming? Not sure tho but he probably will later down the line since he's a big important undead

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@thegreywaren he's the origin of the undead, a godlike figure that was revived for the end times to basically destroy both the vampire counts & tomb kings factions and make a consolodated undead faction.

[@opusmagnus26]

@@Marcusjnmc If the Total Warhammer Trilogy is going out with a bang, I say we do a Lord V Lord DLC of The Arch-Necromancer and the Verminking- Skreetch Verminking and Nagash!

[@Chtigga]

The Burrowing Behemoth could have been an improved version of the "menace from below" for the Clan Moulder accessible through a rite.

[@thewick-j1837]

Or made similarly to ikits nukes

[@damnedthrice4455]

Skaven are by far my favorite faction in Total Warhammer 2. Especially Clan Skryre.

[@Ankhtowe]

It's really funny how much CA loves the Skaven, but how much GW hates the Skaven.

[@CommanderTman]

The Exalted Verminlords from Forgeworld were Massively op, that is if could even bring them as they were 775 points. They had 7 S, T and Wounds and were Unbreakable. They also had a bound spell that shot black flames that did Poison Attack but funny enough not flaming attacks. Never had the pleasure of playing with him but, oh boy, it'd be fun.

[@michaelpetrovich5353]

Yes yes, fun yes. 😁

[@flufflez013]

They should have a mechanic where you can only upgrade Boneripper once he dies. If he dies, Thanquil breaks and bails from the battlefield and after a few turns you get a window to buy a new one from Hellpit. It would be a kinda fun way to stay kinda lorefriendly, Thanquil went through bonerippers almost faster than he went through warpstone snuff

[@melkhiordarkfell4354]

Warlock and the Prophet missed a huge chance to add the Lustria book Skaven list. Cauldren of Poxs, Lord level Plauge Priests, the plauge chanters, poxbags and Nurglitch himself.

[@therealikitclaw8124]

*Skaven throat singing intensifies*

[@jarlsunshot5542]

Skreech Verminking is what I’ve been trumpeting as a major TWW3 DLC, especially since there are daemons in the game now. A massive skaven vs nagash dlc that introduces the two of them.

[@niftykillswitch99]

Thanquol in my opinion is definitely coming since CA released a new lore excerpt some time ago detailing about the events leading up the warhammer 2 vortex campaign that thanquol was in league with clan skurvy and making moves against skavenblight

[@karolkwiecjasz9356]

Clan Skurvy is my favourite and the rat fleet could end up crashed in the chaos wastes considering tranquol is involved.

[@niftykillswitch99]

@@karolkwiecjasz9356 that is a pretty cool thought ngl, I personally think tho he’ll lead his own original clan made up by CA since clan skurvy is too much of a pirate/nautical skaven theme for him, But I have 100% faith because of CA’s direct reference that he’s going to come in warhammer 3, maybe as a free-LC alongside the last skaven dlc in the form of Skreech verminking, with verminlord as generic lords as well as single entity monsters, stormfiends, and giant rats or rat swarm, to really sell a “great horned rat as the 5th chaos god” theme like they do eventually become in lore, going so far as to mimic the other chaos daemon factions with the making the generic lord also a monster variant.

[@christiandauz3742]

Grey Seer subfaction for Thanquol Skaven Daemons for Skreech Verminking

[@karolkwiecjasz9356]

@@niftykillswitch99 Why is Skurvy bad for him? In the lore they weren't perticularily themed and far too often faced big losses as they swam around the world. Kindda like Tranquol himself who fits that and just migrated between clans for personal gain. Grey Seers ussially don't dominate clans as thats above them with most clans will just listen when a Grey Seer aproaches them with orders. Clan Skurvy himself didn't have any perticular lord to put onto them but something like extra naval speed would be amazing for Tranquol's campaign on the combined map where you can bail the waste coast on turn 1 for any other place in the world.

[@niftykillswitch99]

@@karolkwiecjasz9356 that is a pretty good thought/logic, I can see it working, I just feel it would be a little off theme cause they are legit described as a pirate skaven faction and he’s a greyseer, is just pretty off but that being said it’s CA so who knows maybe they’ll spin it or won’t🤷🏻‍♂️ either way would be fine imo

[@ricardocorrea6832]

Ooooh! Imagine a “Build your own Stormfiend” window for Clan Skryre! Once you get a Moulder high level building you can customize your Mutant Rat Ogre to create your own Goritch. (Different armors, and individual weapon combinations) The other clans can recruit default versions of them. Very Daniel, the Daemon Prince.

[@chillylagarto7728]

I know it's Very much End Times, but I would Love to see a Verminlord

[@ONI09100]

they had them before end times the kit was updated during the end times plus nothings stopping them from using the units

[@chillylagarto7728]

@@ONI09100 Ayo? Saying something like That just gets me hyped

[@Hunko115]

Honestly I would like to see a dynamic mount for Thanqual that upgrades over time as you do quests. So it would have 3 tiers: 1. Naked stormfiend 2. Armor/other stat buffs 3. Warpfire/missles on his other arms It would be a fun progression that rewards palyers for completing quest missions. It's not a mount that is acsessable through the skill tree.

[@sev1120]

Here's my take on Thanquol and Boneripper: You get skills that unlock new Boneripper variants as you level up. You can swap them out when you unlock them. Thanquol always starts the campaign on the base Boneripper When Thanquol gets wounded, when he is available to recruit once again he will have a random Boneripper variant active

[@Hunko115]

@@sev1120 I like the variety but I'm not really a fan of randomized things. It really takes away from the sandbox experience.

[@jiado6893]

You've kept bringing up Nurgling Swarms, but CA has stated the Nurglings aren't meant to be treated as such. They've just given them a bunch of cool animations where they merge together.

[@RobertoPerez-gb2zp]

Just want to add that while thats in fact true, they do use a much more simplified skeleton that allows them to animate them like that, which is in fact something that could be use to bring other swarm units to life

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

Love playing skaven. The bug to ambush battles make them so strong when you stack up for ambush success chance.

[@jamessmitgaming9091]

Take a shot everytime Nathan says "Cool factor"

[@alexshaw4182]

I'd like Klawmunkast to be a LL with a fully customisable tank. Like Ikit's workshop but you customise and upgrade his tank. Could have specialised Skyre Stormvermin with power shields and warplock pistols.

[@LJD442]

I love the idea of a build your own Boneripper idea.

[@bogdansassu964]

More Skaven, yes yes! Need me some Verminlords in WH 3!

[@jadenjerome-johnson7580]

this was my first time watching this type of stuff and now that I've seen all of the missing units i am now in love with this faction

[@Retrosicotte]

Thanquol having Bonerippers Mk1 to Mk4 as his 4 mount options would be hilarious.

[@Razielts1]

Agree with the lord choices indeed, cuz when Thanquol comes out, the grey seers can be picked to do their own thing instead. A religion speficic mechanic / faction to play as, separating both religions. The Verminlords could be limited to just a few or one max per faction you confederate, cuz if you look at them closely, they've got clan specific traits, so depending on the clan you're playing you'd do a rite to summon one or something similar. So it'd also give players another reason to confederate other Skaven factions.

[@vincenzopaollogrieco9385]

Sometimes I think that 3 is not going to be the last Warhammer fantasy game and there a Warhammer 4 or Warhammer end times where they would really give us the complete map and all factions and races we want like Araby, Albion and it basically a fan service game or something like that

[@djn6962]

They could add Storm Fiends with a Thanquol/Boneripper DLC, as Boneripper looks almost like a legendary/unique Storm Fiend. They have changed lore before. Maybe they say Boneripper(s) is/are the mightiest of the Storm Fiends. Just a thought.

[@ethanorange3705]

A Total War (C) totally yes! with you all way about the giant rats. they could just run around debuffing any unit they swarmed through.

[@kevinthefox]

Verminlords would make a nice expensive rite. 10~15 turns use before poofing 30 turn cooldown.

[@alexpotts5381]

Thanquals campaign mechanics would be hilarious. Random chance to sacrifice units or something to that effect

[@grindcoredome]

Playing Skavens since ‘94. Big, big nostalgia.

[@gunneratijuf8915]

There were other names vermin lords in the rise of the horned rat book. Each Verminlords represented each of the Skaven clans so in my wildest fantasies you could recruit thirteen of them all with different specializations.

[@TimeyWimey.]

If you could get a Verminlord with stalk or something that would allow him to get behind enemy lines without being noticed it would be prefect. I can just imagine someone messing their pants when they realize a 2 story rat is tearing apart their spellcaster.

[@thegametroll6264]

I think the vermin lords would be a great addition to the skaven roster since the warriors of chaos are getting greater daemons to lead the armies of the dark gods. It'd be awesome to see a chittering horde of skaven being lead by one of the five variants of vermin lords tailored to how someone would enjoy building their armies. Even if they were simply a hero type that would be cool but I think their potential as an actual recruitable lord would be wasted.

[@bLooDyChieFx]

Herrow there. Thanquol and Boneripper imo should be implemented like skarsnik and gobbler. Strong caster with the downside of always hurting the own army and maybe himself due to excessive warpstone munching. Also strong in melee. Thanquol can not die, modelwise only boneripper dies. If that happens, thanquol skitterleaps awaaaay, returning after x turns with a stronger/random version of boneripper ;)

[@greasy_breads]

They’d probably give thanquol chaos undivided customization for bone ripper

[@NCcody811]

Stormfiends would sell the hell out of a DLC, and I'm getting ready to paint some, so bring them on.

[@ho8ojoe8]

I think it would be really cool if the verminlords were semi-legendary lords that you unlocked in the tech tree. Since each of them is focused on 1 of the major clans and the tech tree has different paths for each of the major clans it would be very easy to adapt the tech tree for it. And then it would make them feel so much more unique than just having full doom stacks of them, and it could be justified to make them significantly stronger if they are limited.

[@shiggydiggy6847]

There are multiple things to consider when CA ports something. I think two important aspects are simple cool factor because it obviously will sell more DLC, but also what the faction roster is lacking. I can't imagine giant rats bringing anything to the table, you already have two variants of wolf rats for fast units and skavenslaves for cheap swarming. They also have the most hero units available and plenty of lords, so I doubt we are getting any Clan Pestilens variants. They are lacking big single entity units sort of like Beastmen did before their rework, so I could see verminlord being a thing. Especially since you could probably rig it pretty easily from a Ghorgon skeleton. Stormfiends definitely are a rule of cool kind of unit that could sell DLC, but I have hard time imagining any role for them that doesn't overlap with rat ogres or the mutant ones. The Moulder monsters would've made sense roster wise, but given that we already got their DLC I doubt they are coming. Thanquol & Boneripper will definitely be there, but we'll see if they will be mechanically like Gotrek & Felix for Skaven or whether Thanquol will have his own faction.

[@EightPhasesofTwilight]

Also agree that getting Ska as an actual unit instead of just relying on a mod for it would be cool as heck.

[@Shagrat65]

I believe the Great Pox Rat is still in the game 2 data files (similar to the Coven Throne) along with a few other unused Skaven ROR - Deathvermin of Clan Rictus, Flintratz, Rat Ripper, etc

[@stormerjc9493]

I think a skeven vs Cathy dlc would be cool Monkey King vs thanqual I think would be fun I imagine thanqual would come with verminlords and stormfiends in his dlc Would you say that's enough for thanqual side for the dlc? If not what else would you add How many stormfiends varionts would you bring? I'd say they should go Ratling cannons Warpfire throwers Poison wind launchers Doom flayer fist

Thank you for those videos!

[@thecrtf4953]

I'm curious, when you do the vampire coast I know you mentioned you'd be covering a certain tombking in said video, are you also gonna talk about clan skurvy and skretch half dead?

[@farseeraradrel4808]

I think remembering that the "new" Rat Ogres never saw a standalone release (despite the Skaven moving unchanged from Fantasy to AoS) because the boxset in which they were released "Isle of Blood" mixed their kit with that of the High Elves. Apparently, this messed up any hope of a standalone release for them or even other new units in the box. Several years later, GW has been unable to correct the problem, and we're still on the resin models even in AoS (aside from the Spire of Dawn box, which was just an AoS release for Isle of Blood). If anyone ever owned that box, they may confirm this or not. And for those who did not know, Thanquol made it to AoS (obviously because his model was too good to throw away) because, according to in-universe rumours, the Great Horned Rat imprisoned him for some catastrophic failures during the End Times (wink) until he gnawed his way out of said prison, the same loose cannon he's always been in the world-that-was.

[@jan_sieber]

Love these videos, great work mate👍🏼

[@bopo900]

Thanquol always reminds me of team rocket from pokemon. The guys with alot of bad plans but it always fails in a goofy way.

[@lord_alderaan9283]

The standard Vermin Lords should be a unit like Warhammer 3's Lord of Change that uses the older 6th edition model. The Exalted Vermin Lords should be a Daemon Prince upgrade of regular Skaven Lord choices. For example a Warlock Master could upgrade into a Warpseer while a Warlord could upgrade into a Warbringer and a Master Assassin into a Deceiver. Any future Plague Lord could upgrade into the Corruptor. Skreech Verminking could be a Legendary lord option.

[@herbertvonbismarck8303]

Imagine if someone made a mod of Hakos Baelz the vtuber and added her into warhammer 3

[@dapprligtnin98]

I could imagine putting the rest of the missing into one last big boom of a dlc.

[@Aethgeir]

Today CA announced massive layoffs at the company. So much hope in this video, and only a year ago. :(

[@DamianBloodkil]

Lack of Ska Bloodtail being a unique looking Chieftain hero for Clan Mors is sad.

[@liofalba]

Feel like these are getting more realistic too. My guess is each Game 1/2 faction can hope for 1 DLC, though likely some like DE, HE, Lizards, might not get any only FLC reoworks, maybe a Lord.

[@skullmaster512]

What about Skabbicus as an FLC legendary lord. He could bring new varients of skaven slaves, and buff them like Gromm and Skarsnik to goblins.

[@ONI09100]

thanquol actually first appeared in the shadow of the horned rat game

[@lord_alderaan9283]

Grey Seers should get a rework in game 3. 1st CA should scrap having two separate caster types of the Grey Seer and instead should either have a combined lore or both full lores like Manfred. 2nd they should have more mount options like a litter throne carried by Council Guard. 3rd the Screaming Bell should have better buffs for example a scaling buff/debuff that has 13 stages triggered by a countdown timer similar to the berserker trait. 4th Grey Seers should have a skill in their skill tree that increases the number of Council Guard that are recruitable.

[@thehuntergaming6772]

It would bee cool for the vermin lords and the storm feinds. I love the skaven because of the tech they use and we can hope they still put content for them and others in Total War Warhammer 3

[@Tucher97]

Well since in warhammer 2, we got DLC that overhauled some Warhammer 1 factions so it is possible to get DLC in warhammer 3 that does stuff with warhammer 2.

[@gunneratijuf8915]

Skaven need all this and more!

[@PNarbz123]

Probably the last set of Skaven units will come with Thanquol, I think having Stormfiends would help sell it even though most people would not agree having them.

[@christiandauz3742]

Thanquol as DLC while Skreech is FLC

[@Stoltzy92]

If the skaven do receive anything in total war warhammer 3, I really want it to be the Verminlords. They were something that I was looking forward to seeing in total war warhammer 2 but was disappointed that they never came out. I want my opportunity to play digital "Chaos in The Old World" dammit!

[@bentilley747]

Skaven do have cavalry, Rat Riders.

[@aidancampbell5644]

You are overthinking the boneripper thing. All mount options involve swapping out models, so the initial one would be doe like Skarsnik and Gobbla, with the ones you put points into being mount options swappable on the world map. This would enable you to swap boneripper options once a turn for a gold cost. However, given the costs involved in designing and animating all those options, I would expect Thanquol to be a paid dlc, likely with storm fiends included because much of the animations for boneripper would be used for the storm fiends.

[@SuperDoggy99]

I just want a Greyseer faction, led by Thanquol. They could add interesting diplomacy options between Skaven factions, as well as Verminlord summoning, etc. More than anything, I'm looking forward to the mods that are going to be developed for WH3. As long as Thanquol and verminlords are added, most everything else can be modded in.

[@wazaifoamaliyatkihaqeeqat547]

Bonereaper and verminlord are the only units i think needed in skaven to complete it i don't care about that little sneaky rate thankual i just a leader do guide rat ogers and mutant rat ogers along with hell pit abomination and fight side bye side with bonebreaker and gortrick and adding hone reaper and vermin lord in them will be an absolute dangerous army

[@silverwolf3745]

A video of Nathan talking about his many loves. 🤔😁

[@amoney1421]

for someone called the great book of grudges you really like the vermin. Thats goin in the book.

[@jomonkey2758]

There is one unit you did miss that’s not clan pestilens. There’s an obscure skaven Calvary unit called the rat rider. And if the rat rider was implemented I think we could get plague lord nurglitch since he’s also a mounted character.

[@lillbesse666]

No mod out there for pestilence? Keep up the nice work! ❤️

[@opusmagnus26]

As well as the Lores of Ruin and Plague, would Skreetch Verminking have access to the "Lore of Stealth" as a part of the Deceiver Verminlord aspect?

[@f1sherman52]

I feel like Vermin Lords are a must.

[@dongusbutterfist1620]

Here we go again, yes yes

[@moonsugarr]

I don't understand why people are so against CA putting end times units into the game. Most of them fit in completely fine without looking out of place and are really cool additions that many rosters really need (specifically demon factions/undead). Come on, it's warhammer 2, just because the units are here it doesn't mean the plotline has to. Immortal empires is going to stay a sandbox campaign either way.

[@bobcornholio7805]

GBG, I love your videos, massive fan, terrible at commenting but always like But please, please redo your outro performance/script, I've heard it so many times now I can recite every word and I'm starting to hear it from my walls 😂

[@Asraeks]

just stop the video when he starts outro? lol

[@Marcusjnmc]

I really don't think we're getting Nagash , unless you have some quote from a CA rep saying otherwise, their language around similar characters makes the reverse seem more likely

[@Marcusjnmc]

you even say it yourself, Screech Verminkin is a character that's canonically tied to End Times specifically & isn't likely unless CA start doing End Times setting stuff, Nagash is in that same vein of character , except he's even more OP & setting breaking

[@HomerJSimpson999]

you missed the Warp-Doom Magma-Cannon and the cauldron of a thousand poxes

[@dystopia-utopiarelation-re3191]

a swarm DLC would make sence and be a nice cashcow for ca

[@Namulith048]

I’m pretty sure They had verminlords before the end times the models were just smaller

[@NotlostMc]

I just hope engineers can get flayer mounts

[@warsmithgalvinc4151]

If I was designing Than'quol for TWW3 id have it so if he was on his mount (Boneripper) and he "died" instead he'd continue to lead the army but was on foot (starting at half health) b and you'd have to re-do the quest to get Boneripper back as a player

[@alpacaofthemountain8760]

great video!

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@helix450]

I like rats! But if it will be the last skaven dlc. Then they need rework skaven. So every skaven need to trade each outher to get skavens units. So do you need mutate skaven, then trade and by units from moulder. Do you whant stormwirmed tropps. Then you by from ikit claw and exetra. That will be realy nice to skaven and that will be a good rework for them. And i belive you have talk that before in a video 😊

[@jackgray3713]

Storm fiends could just be a unit of renown

[@joshmilner4864]

Boneripper and Stormfiends or Nagash and Morghasts biggest wish want list.

[@cmxpiipl]

To me the old bone ripper was far cooler model. Just because something is bigger of flashier doesn't mean it's cooler. Also the rule of cool doesn't mean you should just throw in anything. For example a lot of the modern games don't appeal to me at all with their super bright colored explosion effects everywhere, that makes them uncool for some of us.

[@XxGlointxX]

I really hope they don't do Endtime-Stuff like stormfiends, for me most of that doesn't really go with Warhammer Fantasy, seemed like it was headed to 40k when it came out. But if they do I hope they make a game mode or something for it so you don't have to have them in your game

[@Sakura_Matou]

Thanquol would instantly be my Main if he shows up, Sorry Setra..

[@Shaso-xv3tw]

It would probably work best if boneripper was a mount for Thanquol to make things tolerable for the programming

[@AkhshamiKsyAksKhaos]

Stormfiends…will come…

[@sithlord3352]

id like to see giant death weels that would pop out of the ground like in infinity war

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

Thanqoul is the Warhammer equivalent of Wil. E. Coyote. Change my mind.

[@draconicusmathiusanytherio7630]

Can’t wait for Verminlords dlc

[@auramoonlight6978]

I guess I'll just ask this question but only once how soon do you think we'll be able to see a scab and DLC with the vermin Lords and others Gavin demon armies in it or whatever other armies they'll add with the DLC and obviously free LCS as well because you're right we need more rats and obviously they're going to add lots more rats to it and to do that they're going to need a DLC and some free LCs as well? I mean don't get me wrong DLCs are usually big but for the skaven the DLC doesn't feel like it'll be big enough so obviously they're going to need some free LCs to go along with it.

[@jaratt85]

Clan Pestilens isn't represented with a lord? Uh... Skrolk? Master Moulder was under heroes not lords the lords at the back of the book were Master Mutator and Grey Seer. (I have the book open in another tab)

[@trihexa4153]

Yes, I need verminlords.!

[@ratman7976]

It be cool if they did there own version of endtimes

[@rhystaylor6939]

Ooh, hot take that may be unlikely: the last lord that hasn't yet been announced is Screech the Verminlord. I know everyone and their mum is saying it will be Be'lakor, but considering how much skaven and the great warpstone desert has been mentioned in the in the information coming out about the campaign map, it would make for an interesting twist, also connects skaven as a daemonic/warp race.

[@christiandauz3742]

Bullshit Skreech can't recruit Daemons from the four Major Chaos Gods Be'lakor can. Players want a mixed-Daemon subfaction Plaguebearers hold the line while Daemonettes flank

[@rhystaylor6939]

@@christiandauz3742 players have wanted all sorts of things and not gotten them. If I watch one more video complaining about the dogs of war not being included since game one I'll need surgery from all the eye-rolling. Of course CA is more likely to go with what the players want and create one particular faction with all of the strengths of 4 of the other factions and none of their weaknesses that is therefore capable of steamrolling everyone else. Because that sounds like a well balanced game.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@rhystaylor6939 Be'lakor has access to all 4 Daemon rosters but they don't have the special passives No hellblade, barrier, crow-whatever and devastating flanker

[@rhystaylor6939]

@@christiandauz3742 sure, but the point of asymmetrical balance is khorne is the best at melee, tzeentch the best at range, slaanesh the best at speed and nurgle the best at defence. If Be'lakor can build any army of the best melee, the best range the best flankers and the best meat shields, then it's just 'the best'. Belakor basically invalidates choosing to play as any one of the individual chaos factions, because you'll definitely lose to Belakor, even with your faction bonus.

[@gueton5200]

@@rhystaylor6939 couldn't a similar argument be made for something like Rakarth? He can get most monster units, which means the dark elves have all their advantages AND the best monsters, yet Rakarth stills works balancing wise (from my experience), surely in a similar way, there is a way they could execute Belakor and not be broken right?

[@Howardone]

Now since we have the shadow of change dlc, would it be a good idea to use the changelings mechanics for thanquel