All New Sonic Characters in IDW EXPLAINED

[@Jords2good]

From 6:09 to 9:50 I tested out the feature where you can remove the copyrighted music and keep speech in but the quality is pretty bad and i cant revert back to it so my bad lol. At the very least, its not too long! The rest of the video is still normal.

[@Jords2good]

And besides, this video needs an update with new lore updates with these characters. Especially for surge, kit, mimic and the diamond cutters. And adding more that i missed (Scrapniks!!!)

[@Tiosedan]

Don't care what anybody says, Omega is the funniest character in the whole IDW comic series by a landslide.

[@minimalbstolerance8113]

And here's the 10-second version of the IDW characters explained: Tangle: Loud, hyper lemur girl. Probably has ADHD. Totally gay for the wolf girl. Whisper: Quiet, introverted wolf girl. Has PTSD. Totally gay for the lemur girl. Jewel: Beetle girl. Owns a museum of geology and also acts as administrator for the resistance. Friend of Tangle. Got mistaken for a talking rock by Storm the Albatross. Dr. Starline: Snively, except he's a platypus. Surge: Scourge, except she's a girl and nowhere near as much of a loser. Kit: Nine, except with hydrokinesis and crippling self-esteem issues. Rough and Tumble: Skunks. Brothers. Z-tier villains. They provide the bungling comedy double act when Orbot and Cubot aren't around. Mimic: Octopus. Amoral mercenary. Shapeshifter. Has a vendetta against Whisper. Literally a Metal Gear Solid reference. Clutch: Al Capone if he was an opossum. Belle: Weird mix of elements from Sage and Pinocchio. Lanolin: Sheep girl. Started off as a background character. Due to a particular plot point, a good chunk of the fandom wish she had stayed as one.

[@TheSultan1470]

*lol*

[@neonoah3353]

I think sage would be the "mix of" belle, since belle sorta came first, both irl and timeline wise.

[@thahotkidd]

Isn't whisper also a metal gear solid reference.

[@TheSultan1470]

@@thahotkidd All of the Diamonds are

[@justalpha9138]

Tangle and Whisper are friggin great; I love both of them! 😊

[@Turai12]

Gotta love Lanolin. She's an avarage Joe in a world of superheroes wanting to make a difference.

[@beckthetinkerbot]

SHe's stupid little background brat who doesn't deserve to be on Tangle and Whispers team or their leader!

[@videogollumer]

Oh, she's making a difference alright, for WORSE!

[@ghostspider2056]

I don’t mind some of the jokes in the Meta Era, but we can all agree most of it was overkill.

[@jazzratoon]

It really couldn't stand it. Force's writing was pretty cringe.

[@zaidtate4093]

I believe all they have to do is stick to Sonics writing in games such as Sonic secret rings, black knight, sonic unleashed, games like those. Sonics writing in those games felt peak. Also I don’t like Rogers voice for Sonic, I can’t lie.

[@DragonStar524]

​@@jazzratoonFR FR

[@RealSonicHedgehog]

“Let’s make like eggmans hairline and recede” is a random ass line but is so perfect

[@masterreece1098]

I honestly love that sonic isn't a series with one definitive story compared to a series like mario, it can take place in different settings or universes without feeling weird or non canonical (most of the time) that's one of things that make this franchise great

[@jazzratoon]

Like Samus's hatred for Ridley, Whisper won't stop until Mimic is stopped. Also I love Surge and Kit.

[@Bishop6841]

Ridley (scott)😂😂😂😂😂

[@mochatoast887]

I love there designs. I'm glad there not just copy and paste versions of Sonic and Shadow.

[@core_breaker]

i love surge and kit so much, they're so cool! they're the reason i started reading the comics in the first place! i really like all of the idw original characters tbh and i hope they all get to show up in the games someday

[@ouiner4015]

People hating lanolin for being tricked by mimic, moreso than people hating mimic for tricking her, always sits weird with me Sonic fans can’t cry and whine over all the Main characters being made one dimensional and bland, then reject and throw fits when we DO get someone who’s well written Someone who is a realistically flawed individual who can make mistakes and learn and grow from them

[@HeilRay]

No thats pretty disingenuous. people hated Lanolin for putting Whisper and especially Silver in a negative light. With her being relatively new to this compared to two veteran fighters. Didnt help that it was kinda compared to victim blamey the way it was set up as well as doing Silver generally dirty.

[@Axxidous]

They can't because they don't. People complain about the main characters all the time and characters like Lanolin are so-so written. How can you hate Mimic for tricking her when he's a villain and that's what you expect him to do? If people hate him, it's as a villain. But hating Lanolin is coming from a place of "You're supposed to be on our side but you just make things more difficult". Who the hell is gonna be okay with her disrespecting SILVER THE HEDGEHOG? lol You can't say that people shouldn't be mad at Lanolin for having flaws but then be mad at fans for having flaws.

[@TheSultan1470]

​@@Axxidous LOL Silver had no use

[@TheIDcard123]

​@@Axxidous I mean, it's not like Silver had ever been manipulated and deceived by villain into believing he was doing the right thing and he was completely in the wrong...oh wait.

[@Axxidous]

@@TheIDcard123 Just like Knuckles, and for that matter… Shadow. And oh that’s right. Freakin SONIC. LOL AND WAIT A MINUTE. Those actually make sense. Shadow’s game he was willing to be evil as an option. Silver lives in a screwy world and someone claimed to have answers to defeating Iblis. There’s no context or set example for this to be an obvious trick. Knuckles hears the words of a man who needs to fix his wrecked ship being a hedgehog stole the emeralds and destroyed it which is all actually true only for Sonic to show up in a powerful form with all the emeralds and make Knuckles believe the story more due to having a freakin mural about it. Sonic sees the Black Knight attacking Merlina first who seems otherwise defenseless. Lanolin goes against a world renowned hero who’s associated with world renowned heroes when he outright described that he actually SAW some shit. Not suspected. He saw it. You can disagree all you want. But that’s the logic behind it and apparently that’s how most people think as it’s the issue we are talking about here with people hating on her character. So…

[@batofdestiny]

Surge is so fucking cool. I want to be as cool and intimidating as her

[@foxtrap86flame]

So, when do you want to start your brainwashing sessions?

[@justalpha9138]

So then... Sort of do it? Don't blow up a city though! 😅

[@game_projections]

Eat a Duracell

[@TheSultan1470]

I'd rather be Stabby The Octopus

[@michaelcarlton1484]

Sonic's philosophy is fine. It's literally just how he is and hiw he's always been. He'll try and give anyone a chance because he wants everyone to be free to be themselves and do some good.

[@SuperKiobi13]

Is like the whole argument About how Batman should had just killed the Joker already, Not realizing how Dumb it's to blame the persón responsable for the Bad guy not having killed everyone already really is and not the broken system that cant ever deal with then efficiently

[@michaelcarlton1484]

@@SuperKiobi13 Realistically, someone in Gotham would have assassinated some of the villains.

[@michaeltaylor788]

@@michaelcarlton1484 and those villains would just come back to life Batman himself said so because it happened so many times.

[@videogollumer]

And that only leads to a worldwide bullet hell! If Sonic really valued the beauty of the world all that time, then he should have known better than to actively give evil doers more power to destroy it and replace it with ugly filth!

[@michaelcarlton1484]

@@videogollumer It's more like Sonic knows Eggman could do some amazing things to benefit everyone, which is why he keeps giving him chances. Mr. Tinker basically proved that Sonic has a point, even if it was just temporary.

[@IceClimbersiX]

What could happen is all the characters could meet the timeskip once everyone’s arcs are fleshed out enough to meet frontiers timeline. Issue 100 is a good opportunity.

[@jonathanrolle2046]

I like that surge and kit because they keeps the dragon ball comparison alive shadow is Vegeta,goku is sonic, silver is trunks and surge and kit can be the androids 17and 18.

[@Jords2good]

Damn your right. I didnt even think of that.

[@jonathanrolle2046]

@@Jords2good hay even starline can be gero

[@Doobydoe]

Personality wise, I'd it's more like Surge = Caulifla or Kefla Kit = Mix of Cabba and Kale (Cabba because of how much he looks up to Surge how Cabba looks up to Vegeta and Kale because of how much she's dependent on Caulifla and needs Surge to bring his full potential out)

[@HaughtyToast]

A bunch of the IDW characters have already appeared in the ios games. Ios games are considered canon unless otherwise stated. Notably the ios game Sonic Runners was the entire reason why the wisps apeared in Forces. In that game a bunch of them went back to Sonic's world because they liked it and wanted to help keep it safe from Eggman.

[@RobertJames-i8j]

my wish list for certain characters - For Lanolin to get humbled and regretting herself when Mimic is revealled, but to be the one to actually deal the finishing blow to Mimic and actually apologise to Whisper and Silver - For Surge and Kit to redeem themselves or at the very least become anti-heroes, and they're redemption be heart-warming with tears - For Whisper to be the one to get back on Duo's track BEFORE Mimic reveals himself and to actually face Surge and win this time, since that moment when she lost her wisps to the Tenrec and became a punching was not her finest hour - For Mimic's defeat to be utterly humiliating and have him mentally breaking down - For there to be a battle between the Diamond Cutters and Imposter Diamond Cutters (Surge vs Whisper for personal reasons and that Whisper needs to redeem herself after issues 63-64, lanolin vs Mimic because Lanolin needs to see the truth and get humbled, Tangle vs Kit due to process of elimination but also because of loyalties to their partners)

[@codyraugh6599]

I'd mostly agree with some slight changes. For Lanolin I think she needs so show some actual leadership based on her past. She's done everything in the restoration from Secretary work to piloting and it would be nice for those support roles to actually come into play as a leader who uplifts her team in the battle As for Surge and Kit, I'd change anti-Hero to "Hero-Antagonist" she was made to literally replace Sonic, so to see her basically try to be Sonic while also entirely missing the traditional heroism point and actually be routinely fighting Sonic still as opposed to whatever the heck Shadow is would be nice. Whisper already seems to know what's up with Duo, but she seems more to be playing it smart, would be a bit better if since she knows him so well she's just waiting for him to make a slip up that's sort of a calling card for him. And since I don't think Whisper could head on actually beat Surge circle back to my first little detail of having the lamb have to use her support skills she's been building up over the course of the entire series to set Whisper up for the win.

[@RobertJames-i8j]

@@codyraugh6599 How do I react to each change you've made: the first change, yes, i can agree that that does need to come into play in order to redeem Lanolin from issue 63 the second change, I'll consider the possibility, but I myself still hope Surge and Kit at least mellow out a bit the third change, I hope so, because in issue 64 it does actually seem like Whisper truly was taken in and believing she made an error that hurt an innocent and would've burst into tears had it not been for Tangle. for her to actually be acting, or at the very least not entirely convinced and maybe has her subconscious speak to her in the form of her fallen Diamond Cutter team members the fourth change, I suppose what you said about lanolin's support aiding Whisper would work against Surge, I still also wish it to be a result of Whisper's own ingenuity

[@codyraugh6599]

@user-tq4hw2hb2j so to help sell you on them. With the two lanolin points. 1) 63 was unfortunately the only time she's actually behaved as a team leader, she didn't even get given a chance to "pull a Robin" calling out team formations or anything to suggest she has any form of actual leadership/respect of her team. And besides her still very new and underutilized bell weapon thing, she seems vastly more inexperienced and just not combat capable compared to the other two. And well sadly 63 and 64 are the only moments she actually behaved as a leader and it was all to the benefit of a villain. While her setting up Whisper for a win both kinda goes with the football/soccer and Basketball team setup where yes the star player scores, but they are given the ball by their teammates after the team brought the ball to where it needed to go. If she just gets Whisper to where Whisper needs to be in order to score her win via her piloting skills like say on the wing of a airship in the sky that alone would be enough to show that Lanolin knows her teams strengths and weaknesses enough to set them up for the win she trusts them to achieve. Though I do keep forgetting the whole gaslight in 64 but mainly because Whisper just still in general seems to be on edge and has the distraction duo still standing right next to her actual target. As for Surge, she just doesn't seem to have the proper empathy, or rather a more selfish form of it where she only uses it for Kit, especially when compared to every other heroic character, and she's also clearly as new and naive about everything as Tangle but with a very different personality about it all. And I think both she and we the readers will need more time before she mellows, so having her try to be a hero, but with the ingrained goal of "destroy Sonic" set aside and the ingrained programming of "replace him and play hero for Starline" being the next psychological issue she needs to overcome before she can really start addressing what she herself actually desires of her own will. Because I'm the Imposters miniseries Starline laid it out kinda quickly but she's meant to replace Sonic and he'd replace Eggman and they'd basically steal the show and then gaslight the entire world into thinking Starline's way, subvert all the other heroes into his willing slaves more or less. So if Surge tries to go hero, unfortunately she's going to have to overcome a lot of Starline's BS, and Sonic's fist seems to be her best teacher.

[@RobertJames-i8j]

@@codyraugh6599 I see your point. Lanolin does have the smarts, skills and tacticians of leader and also at times compassion as shown in issue 58, but sadly she needs to learn the wisdom and heart of a leader. Admittedly I do flip flip a bit with Lanolin since issue 64, hating her one moment and then trying to show leniency and back and forth again, all the while defending Whisper no matter what. I guess, at the very least, you show leniency towards the Sheep, which I find good. While Whisper isn't wrong about Surge and Kit, she doesn't realise that they're also serving as somewhat a diversion for Mimic, who she really needs to watch out for. I hope she gets back on Mimic's trail BEFORE he reveals himself. I'm just curious as anxious as to how As for Surge and Kit, okay, perhaps not in the upcoming sonic riders arc she'll mellow out, but maybe in the one after that, issues 76-80. should the fifth saga follow up, and hope it's one that takes place in space, that should really lead to a full or near-full redemption nice reply, but i do have to point out that there are typos. just saying

[@codyraugh6599]

@@RobertJames-i8j for the Surge and Kit issue, I think they just need to be left to bake a little more, including the current arc they need one or two more villain arcs, and then sometime as more a neutral force, maybe even permanently so that they don't just become Shadow 2.0 (and of course we don't want them to be just Scourge 2.0 either so they certainly need to go their own way) so they're going to also need a arc or two out of the spotlight as more background or side characters. Whenever we "time skip" Sonic Frontiers might be a good time to start easing the pair into full, whatever they become. Because honestly while anti-Hero is a broad term typically most anti-heroes remain solidly in the hero camp and need a convoluted or excessively petty reason to fight/not help a standard Hero. And separately I feel like the pair would make for an interesting scenario of flipping back and forth from being allies of Sonic, wanting to genuinely save the day, or just trying to save their reputation and/or lives, to trying to directly rival him in anything from a race to who can destroy (with emphasis on destroy on Surge's part) Eggman first to trying to stop him from stopping some minor villain because they and some other small group would benefit from a quality of life improvement from that villain's deed. Where Shadow well since Heroes he's basically had no real reason to oppose Sonic or even give half the attitude he does, because he's more or less just a straight Hero but yet he's somehow in the anti-Hero camp because he has a bad attitude but hasn't been shoved into every possible team (unlike Wolverine whose more or less the same character but is considered a straight Hero)

[@jeremy1860]

Thanks to KZbin, I've recently been able to get into and get caught up on the IDW comics, and I've absolutely loved them so far, as well as all the new characters that've come with it 😊

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

If Tangle and Whisper were to have speaking roles when they inevitably debut in the mainline series, I think Barbara Dunkleman (Yang Xiao Long) and Abby Trott (Nezuko) would be ideal picks for them

[@michaelcarlton1484]

You really want Barb to ruin another character?

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

@@michaelcarlton1484 Not at all, it was just a thought Besides, SEGA might pick a different VA for her

[@epsyblue7714]

Personally I'd go with Cindy Robinson and Christina Vee. I know Robinson voices Amy, but Tangle reminds me of Makoto from Blazblue.

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

@@epsyblue7714 I can see Christina voicing either of them She could use a voice similar to Cerebella for Tangle and one similar to Noel for Whisper

[@epsyblue7714]

I thought of three for Surge: Erica Lindbeck (Mordred) Sarah Anne Williams (Nanon Jakuzare) Brittany Karbowski (Misaka Makoto) Trying to figure out some for Kit and Dr. Starline.

[@Murasaki1357]

Of all the new characters that have appeared in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog comics, I really liked Tangle the Lemur, Whisper the Wolf, Jewel the Beetle, Dr. Starline, and Surge the Tenrec, I'm surprised you didn't mention her. Thank you for the work you've done, I enjoy listening to you!

[@Jords2good]

@@Murasaki1357 Thank you for watching! Glad you were able to enjoy what i put out here. Which character did i not mention btw? I did mention all the ones you listed.

[@Murasaki1357]

@@Jords2good You're welcome! I'm talking about Surge the Tenrec, you mentioned that character briefly and I didn't notice it. I apologize for my inattention.

[@FireBomberBassist]

These character designs are so good.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

thank you for this video, this is a good place to learn about IDW characters for new fans :]

[@santiagoarrieta2175]

A curious thing over Surge and Kit, is time to time we see their original personality resurface briefly and implying the main cause of their mental inestability is that Starline basically put a nearly opposite personality of who they were, what is ironic that is the main reason Starline sccheme backfire, he explicitly disregard the imporance of who they were before, to the point he not even bother to write said data in any place PD: this lead my to belive is posible to Surge reedemed and heal her mind in the long run but Kit apear to go proyect in the opposite direction.

[@DragonStar524]

Whisper went from a lone wolf, to slowly becoming part of a pack again

[@Jords2good]

@@DragonStar524 Well said 👍

[@Turai12]

I got into the series for Whispangle and I'm staying for Whispangle. That said, I love Doctor Starline. I just can't find Eggman even a little intimidating even if he's the more competent one. Starline however hits all the right buttons.

[@Jords2good]

Would yall like me to make a video on Issue 75? It seems like that one is gonna be a big one with alot of things happening in it. Just like issue 50.

[@fluffydream5909]

thanks for making this video, im planning to read sonic idw since im introducing myself and becoming a sonic fan in my holiday break, I always really liked sonic but never really got into it in depth, like an outsider if only there was an updated guide for reading the idw sonic comics this video helped me a lot so thanks again!

[@Jords2good]

Glad my video can help you out! Maybe i could do a beginners guide to getting into the comics 🤔

[@DwellerNine]

On one hand it's a good thing, what instead of "let's paint sonic green and call him scourge", they actually bothered to create new characters from beginning. On the other with so much new characters and so much subplots they actually started to push the main characters further and further away, even sometimes outright replacing them on some occasions.

[@rexeleon]

Sonic and Tangle gave off similar personality trait, Sonic have to be more restrain because he have more responsibility. Two of them have good fighting synergy but makes them more reckless when together.

[@sufi09853]

To anyone wondering, in the current comics of IDW Sonic, Surge and Kit right now is on the path to being an anti hero in the Sonic Universe.

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

I love how you put that emo ass music in Kitsunami' introduction lol

[@Jords2good]

@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 That should be his theme. Fits perfectly

[@jazzratoon]

The Metal Virus arc was just terrifying for how many things could go wrong. Especially the fact Sonic who was one the earliest victims of Virus had to constantly run to keep the infecting from spreading or he will turn into Zombot. Like for him it must of been painful to have to keep running with likely they little rest or energy. It was my favourite next to the Sonic vs Surge Arc. Also COVID must of inspired Metal Virus.

[@nobodys_here07]

Iirc, Ian Flynn had stated that the Metal Virus arc was originally planned when writing for Archie but didn't get to add it due to what happened with Ken Penders.

[@jazzratoon]

@nobodys_here07 I didn't know of that thank you.

[@Tyler-gg6xt]

It was incredibly good

[@davidgipe997]

Great vid. :) I've been enjoying, but i do need to catch up on IDW.

[@TsuriaDragon]

I’m loving the idw characters especially Whisper, Surge and Kitsuami also what the music in the background.

[@adedakevwe1957]

Sonic advance trilogy music

[@TevyaSmolka]

I really like idw sonic characters they are really awesome and badass

[@Kookie_13_]

It obviously isn’t needed as much as this, but I would love this for every normal sonic character Also gotta say I love the Chaotix just because I feel like saying that lol

[@Jords2good]

Im with you on the chaotix too. Im glad they get alot of love in these comics. Going over every normal sonic is something i could do too! I guess what could prevent me from doing it is that its probably been done to death by many other people but I could still try and put my own spin on it at one point.

[@arcticfluffyfoxy]

14:26 I don't think they portrayed silver weak rather THAT ROBOT IS HUGE

[@Jords2good]

There was another panel that showed the robot's usual size. When whisper was explaining her origins to tangle. It showed from her POV saving silver and the robot seemed like he was its regular size.

[@dan_shadowfire4268]

I would LOVE to see how an interaction between Sage, Belle, Orbot and Cubot would be. Metal can also be there but he likely won't have nothing to say Edit: I think the orangutan is called Shaggy (no, I'm not kidding)

[@stephaniejohnson5361]

Honestly Dr starline is my Favorite IDW only character. Sucks that most people don't like his character

[@insertnamehere1398]

I was so mad he's the only original who is DEAD! like.. wh-hy???/

[@davidgipe997]

I really liked his methodology and his origin as an egg fan. He actually has development from being a lackey. You can even see where his plan will in fact succeed they have to little flexibility at times and break against variables. He really tried to plan and perfect is my point.

[@nametager7539]

He's a semi-aquatic, egg simping mammal of evil

[@videogollumer]

I just liked seeing his schemes spectacularly backfire. He literally punched himself in the face with an avalanche!

[@eduardodias2073]

I hated him, but that's good He was overall a good villain yet despisable, kinda like Black Bears from One Piece, and i'm glad he died the way he did, if he was still alive he would juat fall into the loss streak loop that he despised Eggman for beign on, also he gave a lot of highlight for Eggman

[@mirissasamone]

This video makes me wanna read the comics now lol.

[@emda19]

Do it, they're so fun!

[@Darbo-art]

READ IT

[@bthsr7113]

So many good additions to the cast. Hard to say which I like best. I think I have to shout out Nite the owl and his handyman assistant for being actual civilian supporting cast. Oh, and I'd summarize Lanolin as Lawful Stupid.

[@Jords2good]

@@bthsr7113 after the phantom riders arc, i can see nite and don becoming favorites for some people.

[@bthsr7113]

@@Jords2good I mean, in the Metal Virus issue, they were great side characters for giving us everyday heroes caught at practically ground level, but Phantom Rider brought them next to the main cast and made them recurring. Love it for the character and world building angles

[@nonamemister2643]

Man, mimic is such a cool character concept, for games, and while surge and kit is a very well written characters, but more fitting in comic form than games, with the complexity and all

[@zalgo694]

i hate how much ppl complain abt whisper crying,, crying is natural

[@Andi_Thy_Is]

I think a part of it just comes from the frequency, it hit HARD when it first happened, but still I agree. She's very obviously struggling, her crying isn't a bag thing.

[@admiralzaalkorisvasqwib-qw2547]

Let the people with ptsd cry! It’s healthy.

[@zalgo694]

@@admiralzaalkorisvasqwib-qw2547 agreed!!!!

[@saul8510]

Because we live in asociety where most associate cryuing as a sign of weakness instead of as a way to the emotion out.

[@JHANNA5702]

Mad wild that a possum con man Thief is doing way better than the Super Genius platypus I guess it helps when you're only looking out for number one and not being a meet Ryder

[@terrimama2174]

i love those character and idw and any comic

[@adrianpadilla35]

This needs to be a show why do we get boring shows like that new netflix show that sucks these characters are dope

[@eliaschukri6216]

THE EMO SONGS WHENEVER HB IS TALKING ABOUT KIT😭😭😭😭😭

[@oluyomilael]

This vid is so under rated!

[@TSTHPS]

Thank you so much!! I hate Ian's writing outside of Shadow gens and I don't want to read the comics so Thank you so much!!

[@videogollumer]

Many issues Post-Metal Virus Saga have been written by Evan Stanley, including the current arc.

[@TSTHPS]

Do the characters act like themselves?

[@videogollumer]

@@TSTHPS I'd say yes for the most part, but don't take my word for it; check it out yourself.

[@TSTHPS]

Okay then I will

[@Peasham]

You hate his writing but haven't read the comics?

[@animegx45]

Lanolin is someone who I think is just tired of everyone's shit.She has her own professional way of doing things, but she's trying to do it with a group that all kind of do their own thing, which to her probably looks like a lack of discipline. She kind of makes me think of Frank Grimes in that sense.

[@videogollumer]

Oh sure! Ruthlessly pursuing the Phantom Rider to the point where she recklessly destroys the race track and almost gets several innocent racers killed, sOoOoO pRoFeSsIoNaL! The only thing she's a professional at is being an arrogant idiot! She's the least experienced and least powerful of the heroes; yet she's in a leadership role that she's clearly unqualified for, takes literally EVERYTHING at surface value, bullies her allies, and is a total hypocrite!

[@thegreatsandra947]

Thank you for making this! My attention span for reading comics is low, and it's hard for me to catch up w everything even if I WANTED TO, so seeing this video definitely helped!

[@aidanlyons25]

43:59 nah I couldn't stop staring mate

[@RhythmOSauce]

Let’s not forget the hero of Sonic Forces himself Ian Jr.

[@Jords2good]

Ah but hes from the game! Not an IDW exclusive character. I got him next video tho

[@MrBonita]

For some reason the music wisp makes me think of the village hidden in the sound

[@tomcurl8034]

you forgot sigma and the scrapniks

[@Jords2good]

Yea i made a mistake, assuming sigma was already a known character from sonic adventure. Thought he was one of the E series robots. I woulda had him and the scrapniks on the notable mentions for sure. Thank you for pointing it out though!

[@Metatronio]

​@@Jords2goodFun fact: Sigma was originally created for Lego Dimensions

[@santiagoarrieta2175]

Whisper is so far the best they did with the Wisps, as backstory and the way she use them, it be more fun to use if that way in comparation to the overly restrictive usage on the games.

[@virginiagarza7251]

I use to work for Rough and Tumble😅

[@Toysonicandfriends2]

The final mech from lost world is called lava egg robo

[@dmkq9554]

also Whisper worked alone cuz shes a Lone Wolf

[@Smellie_Buddy]

bro really did e117 sigma dirty, aswell if you considered it new Mecha Sonic and mecha knuckles

[@Jords2good]

My mistake lol. I thought he was one of the old gamma bots from sonic adventure 😭.

[@Smellie_Buddy]

@@Jords2good Its ok, But my boi deserves some recognition

[@norfemignissius4936]

You may want to do an update on Mimic, we got hit point of view of the war and how he joined the Diamond Cutters. But I must warn you : DO NOT TAKE HIS WORDS AT FACE VALUE ! Even his own thoughts ! Several details and stuttering, as well as the whole "mask and acting" things hints that Mimic might be lying to himself. Or else, why would he still be obsessed over the Diamond Cutters and Whisper instead of disappearing ?

[@Jords2good]

@@norfemignissius4936 very good point there. Ill remember to consider this whenever i do an update of these characters

[@gigablaster4746]

I hope The Udon Mega Man characters will become canonic too in 2025, for Mega Man's future games and Mega Man x Dive official

[@thismandoesntexist7814]

From the new characters my favorite is Mimic, idk I think he is cool, his power is interesting, I really expect some crazy development from him in the future, I see potential.

[@videogollumer]

Did you not read the annual?

[@thismandoesntexist7814]

@ *THAT WAS GOOD, YEAH BUT I WANT MORE.*

[@videogollumer]

@@thismandoesntexist7814 Yeah, no, he's not gonna hold out much longer. He only serves as a means to hold Whisper back from her own character development.

[@thismandoesntexist7814]

@ We've been through like 50+ issues and an entire miniseries focus on Whisper development and it's still the same character without changes, I doubt we'll have much Whisper development in the future. I believe in the octopus, I don't know, I have faith in him, he's a different character than usual, he's more interesting, he doesn't give me Archie airs and I like that, Ian Flynn did a good job with the bad guys in Archie, maybe he'll do it well again, I've seen what he's capable of, he can do it again. Maybe I'm having too much faith on him, it happened to me with Starline and it went by faster than I thought, I had faith in the Blue Tails but well, I don't even remember his name and I had faith in Whisper and... we're on Issue 74, close to 75 and her character is still exactly the same... *BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GET OFF THIS SHIP UNTIL IT SINKS INTO THE DEPTHS OF THE OCEAN, I KNOW THAT THE OCTOPUS BOY WILL AT LEAST HAVE A COOL ENDING!*

[@videogollumer]

@@thismandoesntexist7814 Exactly why I'm saying Mimic needs to die! He's what's keeping Whisper from developing! Once he's dead, Whisper will never have to worry about him trying to kill her or her friends ever again!

[@SHADOWEMPERORB127]

43:57 “stop staring”

[@dontlookatmypfp5722]

18:21 finally, somebody else gets it. I've been saying for a long time that Starline is zesty, but no one else sees it

[@TheSultan1470]

... *lol*

[@kylesky74]

Technically theres two timelines the classic era and modern era especially since forces is canon. Actually im curious is the rookie from forces actually canon because no one mentions them outside of forces so like im curious.

[@killerbean4328]

Saying Frontiers was better than Generations has got to be a crime.

[@Jords2good]

@@killerbean4328 not as a whole. I was saying its better then generations when it comes to storytelling.

[@killerbean4328]

@Jords2good oh my bad bro

[@HannahBanina]

I still super dig Belle’s concept as a good badnik and another Eggman robo-child alongside Metal Sonic. It’s one reason Eggman’s open affection for Sage and really Sage in general really doesn’t sit right with me (the other reason being that even _Eggman_ totally shafted Metal Sonic in the most recent Twitter Takeover in favor of Sage when asked which invention he was proudest of. Like dude, just because you have a new AI baby, you’re gonna go and ignore your *_son_* like that!?). I mean it really wasn’t even Starline who restored Eggman’s memories, it was Metal: seeing his robo-son in disrepair made him remember his true identity. So this idea of Metal’s sister who knew a completely different version of their dad but still had a certain kinship with Metal due to being another robo-child was really enticing. Metal Sonic hasn’t had true siblings since Metal Knuckles and Tails Doll, so I imagine having a genuine peer would be welcome to him. And in Metal Sonic’s defense, after Belle fixed him up, I don’t think he really _wanted_ to bitchslap her away. She _did_ make him hesitate just a little bit, and he didn’t lay a finger on her beforehand, just peacefully led her to their dad. But she was interfering with his main directive to destroy and surpass Flesh Sonic, so he had little other choice (that his programming would probably allow). Also, immediately after, he’s summoned away from the area anyway by the possibility of Eggman being in mortal danger - which Sonic just _couldn’t resist_ taunting him over, making Metal *visibly angry.* I’ve always stuck by the idea that, sure, Metal may have had his obedience hard-coded back into him since _Heroes,_ but that doesn’t mean he has to like it. I honestly think a part of him *does* resent Eggman and hates that he can’t do anything about it. Having at least a sibling who knows freedom might have given him a vicarious sense of freedom for himself. I know it’s more difficult to get a read on Metal Sonic now that he doesn’t talk anymore, but I genuinely think he doesn’t actually have anything against Belle. A fellow badnik with dreams of her own _plus_ the ability to act on them might be someone he’d actually like to have around. If it didn’t interfere with his programming, at least… Anyway, all this to say, I still think Belle has potential (especially in regards to Metal Sonic) and I hope it can be realized one day.

[@videogollumer]

Not gonna happen. There's only one freedom Metal Sonic cares about, and that's the freedom to destroy Sonic.

[@barhamcham3182]

THEY CALL HER THE WHAT🗣️💀🗣️🔥🗣️A LEADER OF SORTS 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥 42:49

[@TevyaSmolka]

Granted while I didn’t like how idw handles my favorite character shadow the hedgehog and team dark I am happy that Sonic x shadow generations did fix that and gave me back the shadow the hedgehog I knew and love growing up but that’s just my opinion.

[@Jords2good]

@@TevyaSmolka im in the same boat too. The shadow in idw is definitely not the same shadow in generations. I think shadow is getting a little bit better in idw at least but still, he aint there yet.

[@videogollumer]

Urban Warfare already did that.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@Jords2good well that’s good news at least are boy shadow the hedgehog is getting better in idw finally so yay 😀

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@videogollumer really that’s interesting I need to check that out.

[@RE_CAN]

I AM DOWN FOR TANGLE AND WISPER TO BE IN THE NEXT GAME!

[@lil_lenny84]

Where do you guys even read the IDW comic series

[@HaughtyToast]

You forgot to go over Motobud.

[@TidalVex]

I want Starline to come back so badly. He's my favorite of the IDW newcomers and the comic hasn't felt the same since his "death" (I didn't see a body so I'm not convinced he's actually 100% gone. No body is always a sign that the writers may bring a character back later)

[@RaiginAnimator]

But tbf this is a kids comic they can’t show you a damn body They never showed the Diamond cutters bodies and they are CAPITAL D DEAD

[@jermainemitchell1343]

I stand for surge. Really, who wouldn’t?

[@Jords2good]

Shes pretty dope ngl, definitely one most liked newcomers

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

@@Jords2good You know she's a good character when she makes it to the Sonic mobile games alongside Tangle and Whisper

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

Yeah and hopefully after the Riders arc she eventually wears her riders outfit as a secondary outfit not just the base main outfit as well and still have a little reference to both Ashura and Scourge!

[@SansUndertale-u7n]

I am never the one to ever make shipments of any character ESPECIALLY sonic characters, never would and never thought I would think it, but now idgaf and I ship Tangle and Whisper bc I just love them both and they just look great together, hate me all you want, I stay by this for as long as I can keep it up unless the story goes down a different path with them

[@thelegendarysupersaiyangod2325]

Almost all these characters are in sonic forces endless runner

[@kayimaokoluko8032]

So whisper is the equivalent of deku from my hero

[@track8303]

i got a question, if the only human in idw is eggman then what exactly is shadow's past? like was he just created without any influence from maria or the gun soilders?

[@Jords2good]

There IS humans but we just haven't seen them since Unleashed. For the longest time we assumed humans were no longer within the sonic canon but now that they tryna fix up the history and clear everything out within the series with its lore and plot holes, humans always been in some of the next countries

[@petertilton7004]

Wasn't there a Lanolin in Garfield?

[@videogollumer]

U.S.Acres, but yes.

[@petertilton7004]

@videogollumer Could they be the same... oh wait... no...

[@videogollumer]

@@petertilton7004 Lanolin from Garfield was pessimistic and grumpy; but she wasn't nearly as stupid or as same side antagonistic as the Jenny-ass sheep of the same name in this comic!

[@cofagrigusfan24]

too bad this was made before the 2024 annual as we got more of Surge, Kit, Whisper and Mimic

[@Jords2good]

@@cofagrigusfan24 yea. I could start working on a update video, whenever this clutch storyline finishes.

[@bthsr7113]

Personally, I hope Starline stays gone, while the scars and fallout of his machinations continue to linger and drive the plot. The end of his character is too good of an end, and returning to continue trying and failing would go against his character of trying to outwit the genre and break cycles. The villain whose body you didn't see coming back to fail at more of the same? It's the kind of cyclical cliche that would have Starline gnawing on a weight blanket while popping a stress ball for succumbing to. Meanwhile Eggman... he'll grumble that Sonic got him good this time under his breath or in his head before declaring that he has new schemes in store, and that this time will do it!

[@mask_vids9834]

Kits powers are the counter to Sonic and surges are the counter to tails. Kit can be ruthless.

[@conjohn51]

I know 4 mimics Mimic Mimic Mimic And Mimic

[@Jords2good]

@@conjohn51 damn. Now i know 4 mimics. Thanks for tellin me!

[@AnakinRodrigues]

I only know two 😭😭 (mimic from msm and mimic from sonic)

[@conjohn51]

@@AnakinRodrigues “dum dum dum diddily dum, dum dum dum”

[@santiagoarrieta2175]

I think Sega want eventually use Tangle and Whisper in a future game. Tangle eassily fit a 2d game, with Whisper she need a 3d game either a Adventure format(where each characther has its own mechanics) or Heroes format. Besides them is Surge to fill the position of a Rival(at least for now, we now how is Sonic saga with these type of characthers) I mention these 3 because Sega is promoting them litle by little, they were added to Sonic Forces:Speed Battle(plus the mention on Frontiers), what is weird as the other fall in 3 categories Game characthers, Suits variants, and the late self promotinal, chacthers from the upcoming movie and Sonic prime. There are others that could be added to the games to fill empty roles, for example Clutch as a middle antagonist, he is not with Eggman but he profit from his destruction and other illegal activities, using Rought and Tumble as hired muscle(thougth they are mercenaires so Eggman can use them too), if you think over it the only one that fit this role is Fang, and look like Sega want him as a exclusive classic characther

[@yeoldeseawitch]

Forgot Gala the Hound

[@BIazermax]

I would like a video on how much the comic version of the characters differ from the game versions in terms of their personality, relationships and the like.

[@derekwst3-YGO]

Surge was a character in old school sonic comics. They did rework the character. Originally it was just a evil dimension sonic

[@nitrostormskystriker478]

My favourite is Mimic

[@GrandmasterDevo]

LAN-olin? Or Lan-O-lin? I usually put the emphasis on the 'o', does anybody else do that?

[@Jords2good]

Yea im thinkin its Lan-O-lin but its still an annoying name to pronounce lol. Always say it different each time

[@squee-g1658]

Yes i do too. It just feels right lol

[@HaughtyToast]

Lanolin was not at fault for that Duo confrontation at all. Silver didn't explain himself, didn't bring up the eyes thing as evidence to anyone but Whisper, who abandoned him despite knowing about it. Lanolin would have taken it way more seriously if she had known about that. At the very least she'd keep an eye on Duo. It's just a really forced scenario, that's why nobody likes it.

[@Imaminimonstertruck]

Interesting that Ian Flynn stated that the characters have to be game related but yet he's creating characters that are not game-based. His character are nothing more than Temu Freedom Fighters.

[@laraprisma6381]

Yes, Whisper and Tangle are girlfriends! in one of the panels the lesbian flag appears behind them and Ian Flin (who created the two) confirmed that he wanted to make it more explicit (in the sense of clearer and more obvious) that they are a couple. like, there's no denying that about them when the panel LITERALLY has the lesbian flag with them in front holding hands!! So yes, these two sillies are girlfriends! And as someone who is LGBT and who always loved their dynamic and already shipped them, this just makes me happy. :3 PS: and if someone doesn't like them because they are gay, please remove yourself from the Sonic fandom because this franchise more than any other is about freedom to be who you are and Sega has already shown that it is at least supportive of the LGBT community! So if you have a problem with this, go away and please don't comment anything. ^-^

[@eschatos03]

the colors of a sunset is not the lesbian flag, characters are allowed to have platonic relationships or brotherly/sisterly love, please go goon over sonic characters somewhere else

[@TheSultan1470]

​@@eschatos03 Gooning is all they do lol.

[@eschatos03]

@@TheSultan1470 With how hard they reach for stuff like this you might just be right

[@TheSultan1470]

@@eschatos03 Haha, goon day and night, goon in college, goon on the street,...

[@DigginThrough.MyOldMuscles.]

​The amount of copium OP's comment emanates ​might have sent Seethe&Copers stock value into bankruptcy due to inflation XD@@eschatos03

[@Axxidous]

The thing with mimic shows what amazing potential is being missed in SatAM Sea3on. If anyone is reading this who is aware of the fan comic that is also being turned into a fan animation by another group of fans, Sea3on is basically a fan made season 3 of Sonic SATAM. It's a pretty good, albeit unfinished comic. And the fans doing the animated adaptation have been working on it since 2015. Do with that info what you will but the animation is good. The voice acting is hit and miss depending on the character, and also switching VA's here and there. But there are still some parts that are very fan-esque feeling and don't really feel like the vibe of SatAM itself so much as.. well.. a comic. But you'll all still love it. So what's the problem? The ending of SatAM shows a pair of glowing red eyes that look like Sonic's. They confirmed years later that it was a character named Naugus. So the comic's and anmation's big hook are the red glowing eyes which is the reveal of Naugus' return. Except they draw the red eyes like his normal 2 separated eyes and just... reveal Naugus is back. HOWEVER, in the actual show, when you meet Naugus, it's revealed he's a shape shifter who pretended to be Sally's dad in order to be rescued from the Void. They end up having to return to the void because they get slowly turned to crystal when they escape. Sea3on completely disregards the red eyes looking like Sonic's eyes as though it was a mistake rather than recognizing the implied scenario that Naugus was intending to shape-shift into Sonic, and the fact that they must have found a way for him to fend off the crystallization. Again, the plotline with Mimic shows there's potential in shape shifter characters even when you know such a character exists.

[@missmillion3864]

no mention of the scrapniks (even if the role was TINY) makes me very :( /lh

[@tanook4751]

If Sega didn’t have mandates, they would in this modern day and age. You know what I’m talking about

[@BrotherOfTheTemplars1312]

Anyone who says Ian Flynn doesn't know how to write sonic...... your out of your mind, i tell you who doesn't know how to write sonic, Archie, he literally crossed Sonic over with Spawn, a gore infested brutal anti hero, Ian flynn built some of the best Sonic I have ever seen in my life, no offense towards Archie, but ian was able to give character development in the Sonic character's.

[@Lucatrocity]

Fun Fact about Nite and Don, to my knowledge they’re the first confirmed gay couple in the franchise! I hope they use the pair a bit more outside of the annuals and one-shots, was pretty happy to see them in the Phantom Riders arc 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[@Jords2good]

@@Lucatrocity i think its safe to say, they deserve their own chapter in the next video! They're pretty cool in the phantom riders arc!

[@scrunkore]

yeah, nite and don were made to be a couple from the very start, which is how they got past the "no romance" rule I believe staff have mentioned desire to have tangle and whisper be together too, but they can't currently do that

[@TheEcoolarg]

there is 0 chance sega will use them, they could but they wont, if you want to play semantics and say 0 chance is not 0.0000000000000001% chances, but they appear to ignore comics all together since the inception of sonic in general, mangas and ovas too, some game exclusive characters like emerld have jump to another mediums but never an american/european sonic character has enter the oficial line up.

[@RaiginAnimator]

Tbf Ian did put tangle In as a refrence in frontiers So I’d say like 7% right now

[@Metatronio]

Tangle, Whisper, and Surge are all playable in the mobile games, and Sega considers the comic canon. The characters showing up in the mainline games is going to happen eventually

[@TheSultan1470]

​@@RaiginAnimator Pffff that's his crappy English script work

[@JZEplayz2]

fav character is surge.

[@VolcanoFarts15]

Does anyone else kinda ship lanolin with shadow? I know they haven’t spoken a word to each other or know that each other even exist but I feel like they would get along quite well especially since they both have that resting b*tch face thing going on lol

[@TheSultan1470]

LOL could work

[@videogollumer]

That's about ALL they have in common. Lanolin's a blind adherent to civil order and Shadow's pragmatic. Lanolin wouldn't like how Shadow "breaks protocol", and Shadow wouldn't like how stupid Lanolin's reasoning is.