All references to the Last Great Time War | Doctor Who

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[@l.b6060]

i can only imagine what i must have been like for old who fans, seeing the show come back and quickly learning that Gallifrey and all the timelords are long gone, must have been a real shock to them i'd assume.

[@Mark-ww1ii]

Was actually awesome, doctor who back again, the story the doctor absolute awesome

[@imrebarten6115]

now imagine watching S1-4, and hearing appearantly Gallfrey is back, the doctor is the boss and then the master turned them all into cybermen. Weird

[@elberno4243]

The Time Lords became a bit of a joke, in Classic Who. When watching Eccleston, seeing that a whole fleet of Daleks were revealed to have survived the Time War, I knew Gallifrey would rise again.

[@elberno4243]

@@imrebarten6115 my 8 year old Nephew has just watched series 1 up to Capaldi "Deep Breath". He is expecting the big hunt for Gallifrey and more of the Time War. You know what, so am I, but I know that isn't gonna happen😂😂😂 I can't believe how much potential was wasted by Moffat and especially Chinballs

[@simonfreeman8233]

as one of the 'old' fans the removal of all time lords/galifraians was not a shock it was a total retcon

[@CJMarkus]

The Doctor mentioning the Time War literally in the first episode of the reboot just shows how important the Last Great Time War is to the New Who storyline.

[@awsomewe360]

I hate that they killed of the Timelords permanently with Jodie. I was hoping to see them appear more prominently after their revival

[@sglenny001]

They will come back

[@JODIESMOISTTOWELETTES]

❤😂 RHANKS for MENTION ME 1995- 2016

[@jai-kk5uu]

No Jodie is not a time lord. All things that happened with Jodie in the show will be retconned. And no time travel shit either Jodie simply was not a doctor. It's not canon.

[@awsomewe360]

@@jai-kk5uu I do like Jodie as an actress, but I really do hope that you are right! Her run was pretty rocky.

[@OnTheHorizon-]

@@awsomewe360using the word “rocky” is being generous, jodies run was painfully fucking shit, I can’t think of 1 episode where I would genuinely want to sit down and watch it again, it was so trash that it somehow is worse than the 6th doctors run.......I didn’t think it could be possible.

[@airsoft1238]

Man, the way Tennant plays the Doctor's PTSD and grief about the Time War is just unbeatable. The sparkle in his eye while recounting Gallfrey at 16:37, the anger and bitterness he shows at 26:20, such a phenomenal actor and Doctor.

[@harrybarker3441]

This is what, for me, puts him above the rest. How he can elevate a scene with his facial expressions is just incredible.

[@pikachucetthesecond4296]

Christopher Eccleston really captured the Doctor's trauma from the Time War

[@CorbinTheMiner]

Eccelston's Doctor is fresh out the time war after all

[@MrPonytron]

Reminds me a lot of my dad for that reason

[@NeoMaruLLB]

@@CorbinTheMiner I still think it would have been better had he not had the falling out with the producers and played the role of the War Doctor instead of adding John Hurt in the timeline. Not that I don't like John Hurt, but the way Chris Eccleston carried the guilt in his season was perfect for it.

[@HBstudios2005]

​@NeoMaruLLB I like that he wasn't The Doctor in the time war because he never would've wanted the face who killed them all to have the title of The Doctor

[@hanhanthegreat]

@@NeoMaruLLB The Eighth Doctor actually has quite a few EU stories relating to the time war, so I personally wish they’d brought Paul McGann in for the role lol (I liked John Hurt though)

[@CurseMahito]

"I was there at the fall of arcadia" its funny now knowing that the 10th doctor genuinely was there and not just his past regeneration.

[@crashbash8549]

How?

[@CurseMahito]

@crashbash8549 he was there in day of the doctor

[@alexanderrosario8569]

"To be fair they cut out all the jokes" 1st is just absolutely traumatized while 12th is like ,"god damn these 4th dimensional beings spoiling my future!"

[@chilliicecream5456]

Kinda would make sense. Over a Billion years of fighting would desensitise anyone

[@T57Custodian]

How does that work as one says hes like 1400 years old? ​@@chilliicecream5456

[@machineguncrally7020]

Eccleston was so disgustingly underrated as the Doctor. Dalek and Parting of the ways are hands down some of the best episodes ever made. After that they kept recycling the Daleks

[@_Pickle_Cat_]

Before that too.

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

I am alone in the *UINIVERSE* ? Yup. So are you.

[@machineguncrally7020]

@@JohnSmith-ox3gy ohhh and I caught your little signall. Helpp mee

[@dogswifty7800]

If theres one thing RTD did right, it was the mystery of the Time War. For classic who fans coming back to the new era, knowing the Time Lords are all gone even the Daleks (sort of) because of this unknown universe wide brutal war.

[@danrossell6375]

Explain Missy if the Doctor is the last Timelord?

[@stanleydude3340]

​@@danrossell6375shes dead half the time

[@NintenRob]

She's the other last of the time Lords ​@@danrossell6375

[@tableprinterdoor]

@@danrossell6375the master went to the end of the universe and disguised as a human using the fob watch to survive the war, this is covered in ‘sound of drums’ and ‘last of the time lords.’

[@captainstage2009]

Basically just the entirety of Day of the Doctor.

[@Mastermind8908]

Obviously, because of copyright reasons and because it's longer than this vid alone. Absolutely understandable. Lol

[@jacobmoss6830]

39:00 I love for that briefest of moments the master becomes 100% lucid and goes what the fuck

[@reeceharrison6474]

Anyone notice how caan said “no more” like the painting gallifrey will fall no more

[@cristieburns2361]

LITERALY

[@DarkArtsMage]

I hope TD just "cough" turns the Jody-era into either a dream sequence, a alternative-universe-sequence, or does something that fixes the prior mess! (Maybe in reality Jody was a different version of The Master, but they didn't act insane like usual!)

[@redjirachi1]

He made the same conclusion the War Doctor made. And because they're Daleks, went through with it

[@odinwarlock2436]

​@@DarkArtsMage Most of her run is fine. The only thing really worth retconing is the timeless child

[@AssassinIsAfk]

Dalek caan flew into the timewar unprotecteded so maybe it went insane when It heard the doctor declare no more and he probably saw the doctor push the red button since there was no other option to stop the dalek race.

[@jenglishmann2355]

Annette Badland’s acting in Boom Town was incredible during her dinner chat.

[@ParakoEPC]

Series One: 0:00 - 9:37 Series Two: 9:37 - 15:07 Series Three: 15:07 - 24:00 Series Four: 24:00 - 31:31 Specials: 31:31 - 39:44 Series Five: 39:44 - 43:29 Series Six: 43:29 - 48:09 Series Seven (A & B) + Specials & Minisode: 48:09 - 58:50 Series Eight: 58:50 - 1:02:57 Series Nine: 1:02:57 - 1:08:14 Series Ten: 1:08:14 - 1:13:32

[@Enivri]

6:49 I love this scene. He says that before the war he was a father and a grandfather, now he is neither, he is now just a doctor, which is exactly what the doctor is. Before the great time war he was actually a father and a grandfather, we met his granddaughter Susan in the first episode of Doctor Who. Either she passed away when living on Earth, or when the Time war happened she was called back and killed. I do hope they bring Susan back at some point though, even if she has regenerated it would be nice for the doctor to see her again.

[@harleyharris5678]

She has come back for so e Big Finish Audio dramas and books. During the Time War she returned to Gallifrey to fight.

[@avengingangel]

As early as Patrick Troughton the Doctor had lost his family. He has a heartfelt conversation with Victoria about how they sleep in his memories

[@meatballg8655]

It doesn’t happen too often but the moments when the doctor just stands in front of someone and reveals who he is and they just start running is perfect to me. The man who hates violence is the most deadly being in the universe, and everyone runs.

[@mrz80]

"Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically... RUN."

[@hallowedwiccan]

Demons run when a good man goes to war!

[@mcurran6505]

After the Doctor did everything to save his planet, his people and finally put his nightmarish memories of the Time War to rest you think we could have seen more adventures in Gallifrey. But Chibnall comes along and quickly destroys everything that Davies & Moffat created and build to reach a well deserved conclusion.

[@ZemplinTemplar]

14 and 15 will likely just pretend that most of 13's escapades were a hallucination.

[@mcurran6505]

@@ZemplinTemplar Or just some bad dream.

[@ThatCheeseonYT]

​@@ZemplinTemplar like, they just need to retcon this to high-hell

[@pikachucetthesecond4296]

​@@ZemplinTemplar RTD has confirmed that he won't be changing anything from Chibnall's run Which honestly I'm fine with. I didn't like a lot of the stuff from Moffat's run but I don't pretend it never happened

[@DingleDangle66]

@@pikachucetthesecond4296Then he needs to retire.

[@Mowingthefrontlawn]

The Time War was actually referenced in Fugitive of the Judoon. The Thirteenth Doctor tells Gat, “I’ve seen Gallifrey destroyed twice. First by a war, second by a lunatic who I’m still trying to find..”

[@Ghost-ql3hl]

No one Who actually loves doctor who Cares about a single episode of the fucking Thirteenth Doctor

[@friendlyotaku9525]

​@@Ghost-ql3hlI love Doctor Who and I do. So you are wrong.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

⁠@@Ghost-ql3hlEveryone who actually loves _Doctor Who_ cares about all of it. (There’s no need to swear, and you didn’t even spell "no-one" correctly!)

[@ParkerShame]

0:11 I love how you can feel the guilt in the doctor’s voice for not being able to save the Nestene consciousness

[@CacoQueen]

That scene in Thin Ice gets me every time, a beautiful dissection of the doctor's character, especially connected with the time war. Perfect acting by Pearl and Peter.

[@Tao_Tology]

"All references?" * laughs in Big Finish series *

[@ZarcthefoxKamenRiderGeats]

It’s all the references in the televised series bar Day of the Doctor which best guess is that there is too much Time War Lore in Day of the Doctor that it would basically be copyrighted instantly because it would probably be like half the episode

[@ShaunakDesaiPiano]

7:39 Davros almost says exactly this. “Never looking back because he dare not, out of shame.” edit 2 days later: Davros had been autocorrected to Davies.

[@justaloadofash]

1:03:40 The Doctor: my people are alive. Chris chibnall: not for long

[@JynxedKoma]

"Don't you want to know what happened?" *"PLACE YOUR HAND."* "Happened to the *EmPrah?"* *"THE EMPEROR SURVIVED!"*

[@georgeedwards8189]

Actually, I think it was more of a question that a statement. The Cult of Skaro had left during the Time War, so they didn't know the outcome of the Emperor when his ship fell back through time, and he ended up getting the delusion he was a god because he created new Daleks out of the dead. It's really unclear how long the Cult of Skaro was in the void ship, but it was definitely sometime before the end of the Time War.

[@mrz80]

'Til he met *me*. 'Cause if these are gonna be my last words then you're gonna listen. I met the Emperor, and I took the time vortex and poured it into his head and turned him into dust. 'D ya get that? The god of all Daleks, and I destroyed him! HA! That is one of Rose's great and shining moments right there. Rockin' AWESOME.

[@JynxedKoma]

(Pepper Pot Shakes Sinisterly) *"YOU WILL BE E X T E R M I N A T E D ! ! ! !"*@@mrz80

[@luke8801]

The Time War was the best thing added to NuWho

[@owainmorgan3897]

The Time War started in the seventh Doctor's run on the show and continued in Paul McGann's Audio Adventures. Russell T. Davies just continued the narrative of what was already there.

[@MrMetallix]

⁠@@owainmorgan3897the time war was not planned back then… it just worked out by coincidence…

[@Michaell22]

David Tennant just gives that extra 10% compared to anyone else, what an actor!

[@sglenny001]

Disagree Eccleston gave more

[@LongClawzHidden]

Christopher Eccleston was my favorite.

[@sglenny001]

@@LongClawzHidden facts

[@maximusstorm1215]

Agreed, he's a very underrated actor.

[@lilgthespoon]

I mean Eccleston is one of my favorites but I like Tennant the most

[@Mastermind8908]

I could watch every stand alone, one-and-done episode, and it wouldnt compare to the intense emotion of watching the whole regret of the Time War unfold in this video. Thank you.🥲 ...Although, adding the scene of Doc12 breaking through the diamond wall after 4.5 billion years would have been a nice cherry on top to finding Gallifrey.

[@the_real_fiz2zy]

The diamond wall scene is probably my favourite scene in the whole show. It's so powerful... I don't usually cry while watching TV but I definitely cried watching that episode.

[@scifi-Ghoul]

Davros: you have redeemed the time lords from the fire do not lose them again. a few seasons later welp that didn't go as planned.

[@spencerboyd2998]

Thanks for putting this together. Excellently done!

[@nathanjordon6950]

Yk as good as season 5 was, I sometimes wish the whole format didn't change so drastically. I really liked the whole atmosphere RTD developed in his seasons. I mean he was on his A game by the time he got to season 4 and the specials. I feel like RTD had a really good way of writing for the Time Lords. Their return in "The End of Time" was something else. He made them feel like they were this legendary civilisation which is what they were always intended to be. If RTD stayed on and they continued that story, it would have been insane. Don't get me wrong, I loved season 5. It was great but felt so far removed from everything that had happened and I think it's a shame. RTD had built this entire little universe with all these characters and for a long time, they were all forgotten about. Also, the way the Time Lords were written in his era felt very lacklustre to their appearance in "The End of Time." I think it was mainly down to budget constraints but it really tarnished that legendary feel to them for me.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

Stop saying season when you don’t mean season.

[@nathanjordon6950]

@@DrWhoFanJ What do I mean then??

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@nathanjordon6950 Series 5.

[@nathanjordon6950]

@@DrWhoFanJ Same thing my guy

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@nathanjordon6950 They’re literally not.

[@ashryver3605]

The Beast Below was such a nice early episode with Smith and Pond. It really sold me on these two, this arc. I adore how the Companions show the Doctor things he doesn't think of, point of views he never considered.

[@Mark-ww1ii]

What a story line, best TV series ever

[@HOTD108_]

Yeah, my favourite part is when Chibnaill undoes everything just to introduce a new story that he himself then does nothing with. Love it

[@MrPonytron]

And then, Chibnall destroyed it beyond repair

[@ForTheLoveOfWho]

@@HOTD108_No, he continued plot points from the classic era and expanded media.

[@Enterprise-D666]

Caan: I saw the Daleks, what we have done throughout time and space. I saw the truth of us, creator, and I decreed: No! More!

[@georgeray1906]

Talk about a Heel-Face Turn.

[@beni9122]

Eccilston was a perfect doctor.

[@Icelandic_Sand]

Wait, I know the show needs to move on from it eventually, but was the Time War seriously not mentioned once in the Chibnall era? Even when the Master drove the Timelords back into extinction? I'm asking because I can't remember personally, apart from in her first episode when Yaz asked "have you got any family?" And the doctor responded "no, lost them a long time ago."

[@okarusagi]

In Fugitive of the Judoon, The Doctor talks about Gallifrey being destroyed twice, first by a war, second by a lunatic. That's the only time I can think it gets referenced.

[@IsiahTomas]

Normally, I might complain about this detail a bit, but that would be like arguing with one of the writers and they happened to be Mokey from Fraggle Rock and you want to be nice and courteous about it, but it's Mokey.

[@LordTelperion]

Chibnall and his folk ruined the lore, IMHO. I pretend it didn't happen in the main timeline.

[@Tao_Tology]

The thing with the Time War is that each time it's referenced, it gets more "pinned down".

[@DarkArtsMage]

Chibnall wanted to "reinvent the Time Lords" because he believed it went the wrong route after he disagreed with an episode back in the "Before Tom Baker era" of Doctor Who. So he decided to "make Doctor Who" his way, which just so happens to have tossed all the lore out the window, ignore the fan-base, & piss everyone off! (not to mention, when Jody was casted, he even told/ordered her not to watch any of the previous episodes...just so that she stayed a "clean canvas"!) Though since she got rather bad dialog & writing, & her outfit wasn't remotely unique... I'd say the Chibnall Era was a bust. (don't get me wrong, there were some nice potential storylines...but the Timeless Child was shit...the bit about the old Gods...was crap. & the prehistory of the Time Lords was, again...completely against the pre-established lore!) & to drive home... the message that the BBC basically passed along, from the Timeless Child...was that experimenting on children is what you definitely want to do & it's perfectly alright, as long as it helps to further one's sadistic-ambitions of immortality, as well as "benefit the entire race", but at the same time, keep all knowledge of what happens secret from the populace!

[@florianbarkowski6856]

Davros "Do not lose them again!!" Chibnall "I am just gonna pretend i did not hear that."

[@PhoenixFlamez07]

The Doctor isn't always a hero but he isn't always a villain. He always there to be both a force of good and bad.

[@megan.mckenna]

tennant will always be my favorite (he was the first doctor i ever watched--ironically it was the peter capaldi episode about pompeii lol), but all four of them are just fabulous

[@eldritchexploited5462]

Something i love is that you can track this really clear progression from how each doctor chooses to cope with the time war. 9 is very emotionally raw, he wears his anger and sorrow on his sleeve for the world to see. 10 tries to justify, claiming himself the time lord victorious, always reminding himself it's what he HAD to do. 11 masks, he pretends to be fine until he just can't anymore and unleashes all that pent up pain and cruelty at some poor sod that decides to test his rules. 12 is finally the one to start coming to terms with it, still hurt, but actively trying to heal.

[@Enterprise-D666]

Chantho: Chan, Professor Yana, tho? Professor Yana: THAT IS NOT MY NAME! "The Professor" was an invention. So perfect a disguise that I forgot who I am. Chantho: Chan, Then who are you, tho? Professor Yana: (Barely a whisper) I. Am. The MASTER!" (Electrocutes Chantho)

[@null_verdict]

56:34 says to read the description for the various reasons why the 50th special wasn't included, but all the description has is the chapter timestamps 🤔

[@moxxiiscarlett7141]

Either was removed, or they forgot to put it there

[@goosecf]

The Time Wars get referenced so often but when you actually get shown what happens it all seems tiny compared to the stuff the Doctor is doing in the here and now. He walks around like a hurt puppy whenever it's referenced, but 3 minutes later he'll be wiping out entire civilizations like it's nothing. Still love the show though so I guess it really doesn't matter lmao.

[@florianbarkowski6856]

We only ever see the last moments of the time war during the fall of arcadia. The war is already lost. They mention it in the beginning of the day of the doctor. All omega weapons have been used. The abominations have been shot at wigh all the arsenal they had. It is over and the dalek fleet has reached gallifrey. Rassilons counsel takes place a bit eralier but not much. It is safe to assume the doctor has witnessed what he tells the master before that. The war must have been unimaginably big. Impossible to show on screen. The laws of time broken, war tardises capable of destroying galaxies burnt by even bigger abominations. Countlesss planets destroyed in the crossfire. Omega weapons altering the fabric of the universe deployed to deal with abominations. And in there is the doctor fighting, taking lives, creating his own crossfire, causing atrocties of his own. One xplosion of a war tardis alone could wipe a star system. And after witnessing the defeat of the time lords and seeing what they had to become he swears, no more. He rather ends the time war and condemns them himself than to see them be slowly slaughtered. No the devastation must end. So just before two exhausted all mighty civilizations go back to stick and stones in their eyes, he ends it. Finally giving the universe back piece and sanity.

[@scifienthusiast9892]

The 12th doctor punching the Tardis console is basically equivalent to him hitting a woman

[@saintofselhurst]

Just wanted to highlight Jabe's revelation that she knew he was a timelord and his reaction to her grief for him

[@OptimysticPessimyst]

Did 13 genuinely never reference it? That entire era has become such a sore point that it’s just a blur now barring the truly show-destroying moments

[@alphamineron]

Why would they? They made it all such a joke anyway… Made the destruction of Gallifrey as common as online sales

[@Yukivee]

It was referenced in Fugitive of the Judoon. She says: "I'm not wrong. I've seen Gallifrey destroyed. Twice. First by a war, second by a lunatic who I'm still trying to find."

[@andybyrd4107]

Chibnall era isn’t canon.

[@stevetayler9518]

@@alphamineron Huh? In what way was it made a joke? I don't see the analogy with online sales?

[@alphamineron]

@@stevetayler9518 How can you not see it being made a joke? THAT’S A THE REAL QUESTION. I think you’re genuine so I’ll elaborate, transition from OldWho and NewWho was treating The Last Great Time War as a HUGE INFLECTION point. This was to create drama for the plot and explain the drastic change in the show’s direction. Old Doctors are vastly different than the brooding, old/young, regretful, broken Timelord that the NewWho Doctor was. The point of emphasis being, destruction of Gallifrey. It was following the rule of literature that the best way to make something mysterious is to not ruin the mystery with your writing. Time War was big, because it destroyed everything. Gallifrey was lost. Huge deal. Then they saved Gallifrey, but it was still lost. Huge Deal. Then they found Gallifrey recovering from the ruins of war, but this was good until Hell Bent which ruined the “appeal of mystery” again. The doctor basically destabilizes the ruling government and runs off with Clara… which is lame. Then just on a whim with Jodie, they show that a single rouge Timelord killed Gallifrey! The entire 10 season arc of crying over Gallifrey and then saving it then finding it then fighting it to save a human (clara) all for… “whoops I’m the master, I nuked everyone because I was in a bad mood” oh look CyberTimelords! And then after one episode they are gone! Oh wow, the biggest threat in all time, Timelords+CyberMen is just background noise? This analogy should make sense, Gallifrey Arc is like a puzzle that you spent all day making then your sibling comes home and kicks all the pieces across the room for fun. The analogy with online sales, is how frequent they are. Every company is always “on limited time sale” ALL THE YEAR.

[@VunderFiz]

24:00 hey wait a minute I recognize that face behind the guy talking

[@theduke7539]

Only a species without Time Travel could carry the single true wisdom that alludes a Time Traveler. That wisdom? Everything has its time.

[@jacobredfield1386]

47:05 - He saw the *WAR DOCTOR!!!*

[@crankyreed]

This was really interesting to watch!

[@joshuabaughn3734]

The Doctor and Aang from Avatar The Last Airbender would find common ground. The Doctor sealed his people away for their protection from the Daleks The Air Nomads were eradicated by the Fire Nation, leaving only Aang, Appa and Momo to carry on their legacy.

[@sterasigma8734]

22:08 Tenth: Hey I've been mourning their loss, Saxon, so stop getting off this call like it's some erotic ASMR!

[@oliverwarren-cole9426]

I hope that what happened in the chibnell era like the timeless child and the master destroyed gallifrey single handed witch is dumb as hell is ignored cos some of it is confusing and contradicts some things and make the day of the Doctor episode the awesome episode of all pointless cos the three Doctor frozen gallifrey in a pocket universe and then gets destroyed by the master who shocked in series 3 episode the sound of drums to find out gallifrey was gone

[@ForTheLoveOfWho]

If the Master can hack into the Matrix unnoticed, then he would have no problem breaking into the "Omega Arsenal," the Time Lord's collection of super weapons.

[@queenpauline333]

"Why do we survive?" It may have been the first time I cried over a Dalek but it probably won't be the last.

[@MTDripstories]

The sad part is...This incarnation never remembered or even took part in saving the TIme Lords...He held on to the Guilt while 10, 11, and 12 Got closer...X.X

[@paulbuntine]

Fantastic Video! Well done mate, it's much appreciated!

[@ChiIderic]

When is it first mention that the doctor erased the time lords ? There's like no mention of it ? All that dialogue just implies that the doctor fought during the war and destroyed the Daleks, but not that he killed the timelords. Despite the fact we all remember this, and the day of the doctor is around this event...

[@mccroriebooks]

There's a bit at 12:00 from the Satan pit where the voice mentions that the doctor was the killer of his own kind. But not sure if there's a more definitive mention elsewhere 👍👊

[@WithADashOfPazazz]

It's first implied in Dalek. He says "I made it happen" in reference to the destruction of the daleks and says the Timelords died with them. I think the first direct reference is in the Satan Pit when the beast calls the Doctor "the killer of his own kind."

[@racheld8920]

25L07 the last quieter "I can't..." breaks my heart

[@Thechaosmaster1997]

You know something. The Darlek's were right. The Doctor is a good Darlek. He preeches peace, but he prepares for war. He's a broken, old man who has lived for far too long. He wants peace, but he would destroy all of time and space for tjose he care for.

[@AzureFarWind]

The last days of the time war sound like actual hell

[@rgreed20081]

The Doctor had thought that he had destroy Galifrey. In a way, he was right. Yet the series had provide some clues about Galifrey was not destroyed. Until the Day of the Doctor, Galifrey was destroyed as well as becoming the base of many legends and myths. Than the Docotr had learn how he save Galifrey. After the Eighth Doctor Became the Ninth Doctor. he decided to forget what he had done. Simply to help the Ninth Doctor as well as the future Doctors. After the 12th Doctor visit Galifrey, the Galifreyians decided to hide Galifrey somewhere in the vast Universe as well as Time itself. While the 13th Doctor had visited her home and discover what happen to it, she was not aware of what she had seen was one version of what happen to Galifrey. Somehow the series need to fill in one major plot hole so the Doctor can move on. The major plot hole which needs to be fill in is what happen to the Doctor's family. It is likely that most of the Doctor's family is still alive. These survivors do believe that the Doctor is not ready to learn the truth. Due to the lost of one of his sons during the last days of the Great Time War, the Doctor had become depressed. Until the Day of the Doctor, the Doctor began to think that he had lost almost of his entire family. Oddly, most of the Doctor's family are still alive. They have started a colony to preserve Galifreyian Civilization. Just in case Galifrey was destroy as a result of the war.

[@Bigal3031]

The truth of modern war is there are no winners just surviers the side with the least casualties comes out on top. History records that as victory. But those involved might question that.

[@KingVulpes]

things we're more interesting when the doctor and the master was the last, they are back to being that now but they barely have acknowledge it

[@thenomz1142]

I cried. Several times.

[@Caxkj0]

In defense of Whittaker era, the Time War story arc pretty much reached its culmination by Capaldi. There's no reason to continuously bring it up through the series from thereon.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

‘Whittaker era’ ppl blame Jodie, but she had NOTHING to do with the creative direction, i dont understand why ppl name her as the show going wrong, its Chibnall’s fault, blame Chibnall. That fucking hack hides behind the namesake playing the doctor even when he gave her shit scripts

[@andybyrd4107]

The worst Doctor Who writer in history doesn’t deserve a defence.

[@ForTheLoveOfWho]

It was referenced in "Fugitive of the Judoon."

[@Hussainmma.786]

0:03 that sounded like the 456 from torchwood

[@NatS3703]

They really should have left the war as cannon. The 50th could have been a story of how future doctors helped and supported the war doctor press the red button. Giving him help.when he was helpless

[@sglenny001]

I class it still as cannon in my eyes that's what's the The 50th Anoversty is about

[@duanebeck3343]

I would have counted him describing the home box in the museum of headless monks it Matt Smith’s first two-parter.

[@TheEldritchGod]

Look me up under "cause of death" Classic.

[@loserscorner6746]

the time war was far cooler in Davies' era when it was left to the imagination. such unspeakable chaos and etheral devestation on an universal scale. then in Moffat's era it was all too... bland. just some daleks and timelords blasting one another with lasers. it felt like overly conventional and cliche sci-fi. that is not Doctor Who.

[@manofmercy1500]

Suppose that it's fortunate that the only visible moments of the Time War that we see was only the final days of the war, when every other option, weapon, paradox & monstrous creation had already been exhausted. Though then again the Big Finish audio dramas have been diving into the War for years and has also been making most of it basic as well. Even turning the "Skaro Degradations" into little more but alternate versions of Daleks from different timelines that the main Empire has plucked from across the weaponized altered timelines.

[@Aria_Dragonneel]

Well i mean… budget. Also its a family friendly show, so there might be limitations too. And we specifically saw the end of the war, where everyone was desperate and low on supplies. So i thought what we got was amazing.

[@loserscorner6746]

@@manofmercy1500 I like this idea! That all that was left was conventional warfare after all the more creative options had been used.

[@loserscorner6746]

@@Aria_Dragonneel That's fair! I think it felt slightly uncreative, he kind of just made it feel like a war-war. But it makes sense.

[@EditedAF987]

@@manofmercy1500 even then, the audios don’t really take place on the frontline battlefields. It’s usually on the outskirts, in which just a small fraction of the war’s lovecraftian horror bleeds through to wreak untold devastation.

[@akaakaakaak5779]

None of this makes sense when you think about how it was fought across all time and either always had happened or never happened

[@zenlavin34]

Are there really no references to the Time War during Jodie's run? Not even once? How was something like that overlooked, when it is such an integral part of the Doctor's character in NuWho? If that's really the case, the writers (as per usual) really did Jodie dirty.

[@Hexerado]

My guess is Chin-ball preferred classic who entirely. I don’t believe he’s ever acknowledged anything bar Captain Jack in his 2 series

[@Mowingthefrontlawn]

@@Hexeradoff the top of my head, there were references to Boom Town, Journey’s End, The Unicorn and the Wasp, Stormcage, 11’s fez, Osgood, and a subtle reference to Bill being converted to a Cyberman. There’s also the presence of Sycorax, Ood, Judoon, Weeping Angels, and Silence.

[@Hexerado]

@@Mowingthefrontlawn They are valid facts right there, thank you for the insight

[@broccolipurseos4920]

I've only seen series 12 and flux but in fugitive of the judoon, 13 does mention gallifrey being destroyed once by a war. In the timeless children, the war doctor and a few scenes with him were also shown, when 13 breaks out of the matrix. And there are occasional references throughout her run about losing her family which could maybe relate to the war?

[@SPM0717]

No mention of the Time War in Whitaker's era just says it all.

[@highjim7778]

and they pissed it all away with the 50th special.

[@nathanieltyler4650]

You are playing with a galaxy I'm with a Universal time.

[@kylephantom4]

There was another mention in Series 12 when 13 meets timelords of the past in the judoon episode and she mentions how she first saw the planet destroyed by war.

[@werty21100]

23:47 😂 lol the doctor face after he said that is priceless

[@billieleewilliams3186]

Truly awesome! Why leave out one of the 50th anniversary specials? Just curious.

[@Maswartz226]

Probably because it would have been the whole thing

[@Smoke_n_Mirrors_Podcast]

“Fear me i have killed 100’s of Time Lords.” “Fear me….i killed of them” 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@backtothefutureman1]

The one in Nightmare in Silver wasn’t about the Time War, but the war against the Cybermen.

[@surajnair981]

The lonely God...

[@charleygreenfield9114]

nobody ever asks about the first great time war

[@elberno4243]

Given that "Bad Wolf" is the Moment, and thus the last act of the Time War... We're missing about 90 minutes of Eccleston!

[@zperk13]

Bad Wolf and The Moment are not the same thing

[@elberno4243]

@@zperk13 The Moment refers to itself as Bad Wolf, before Rose Tyler exists. Then Rose looks into the schism and does exactly what the Moment was intended to do.... Coincidentally 😂😂😂

[@elberno4243]

@@zperk13 actually, it's never stated whether the timeliness are concurrent, so Eccleston could have gone back 9,000 years for the events of Rose, meaning she was already the past, so The Moment is calling Rose's image, Bad Wolf

[@zperk13]

@@elberno4243 War Doctor: The interface is hot. Moment: Well, I do my best. War Doctor: [...] You're the interface? Moment: They must have told you the Moment had a conscience. Hello! [...] Moment: I chose this face and form especially for you. It's from your past. Or possibly your future. I always get those two mixed up. War Doctor: I don't have a future. Moment: I think I'm called Rose Tyler. No. Yes. No, sorry, no, no, in this form, I'm called Bad Wolf. The Moment just took the form of Bad Wolf to be an interface.

[@elberno4243]

@@zperk13 "I AM Called... " not, she is called, interesting semantics, especially looking at the bigger picture. Read the script, pretending you have no prior knowledge of series 1... this is the first EVER linear mention of Bad Wolf. Otherwise, The Moment already knows that The Doctor wont press the button. Anyway, all 3 doctors touch the button,with only Matt Smith remembering the events fully. Then immediately after John Hurt leaves The Moment, Eccleston meets Rose, who hasthe face of The Moment, Bad Wolf resonates through Earth's history, and wipes out the Dalek fleet , 10 weeks later. ... Sure thing bro. Not connected in any way. Wibbly wobbly Timey Whimey.

[@iamafractal]

You said you explain why day of the doctor is missing yet I see no explanation

[@Rubbermatt]

Presumably because the entire special was about the Time War & they couldn't show the whole thing here for copyright reasons.

[@MaskofFayt]

Eccleston's acting is so far beyond half of what follows him

[@motionadapt1589]

Nah David and Peter are elite too ngl

[@crashbash8549]

David is an amazing actor wtf are you on about

[@highjim7778]

5:24 TheValeyard

[@aldraone-mu5yg]

38:05 You're probably looking for this one.

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

Time War was way cooler without us seeing it tbh.

[@rlacksgh9673]

They promised us unspeakable horrors like Nightmare Child, Hordes of Travesties, Army of Meanwhiles and Never-weres led by Could've been King. A war so horrible, that Time Lords became just as monstrous as Daleks. A literal hell that burned all creations. Instead they gave us Daleks shooting lasers at people in red robes.

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

@@rlacksgh9673 To be honest, whatever they did was always going to feel underwhelming. Sometimes the mystery of something is greater than actually seeing it. Plenty of horror movies that don't even show the creature are more effective than those that show some underwhelming CGI monstrosity. We just didn't need to see it really. If they wanna do audio stories for it that's fine, but I think we didn't need to see it on the big screen tbh.

[@GodMajik]

“Have Pity” 10/10

[@spacewarpphotography1667]

Is there another description I should be reading? I see nothing relevant in the one referenced at 56:33.

[@davidconner-shover51]

No mention of the old series? Arc of Infinity?

[@stazzaproductions]

But the time war took place only in new whp

[@thelonelypigeon9554]

"Fear Me, I killed all of them." - Dr. Who. Now that is scary.

[@meatballg8655]

Love going through random doctor who clips and then suddenly BOWL CUT ANDREW GARFIELD FROM OUT OF NOWHERE

[@grumpletybooeg3338]

I only started watching Who last year, starting with Rose and going completely blind except for the obvious (certain actors etc) and the very first namedrop of the Time War had me instantly intrigued

[@DennisRash]

It's really good, I love the tenth but I started with the 9th

[@cliffhomewood]

@@DennisRash Nope it started with the 4th according to RTD Genesis of the Daleks was the start, followed by Remembrance of the Daleks. These early adventures were retrofitted into the Time War chronology which I like

[@DennisRash]

@@cliffhomewood sorry there is a misunderstanding here, I didn't mistype when I said that I started watching doctor who with the 9th doctor. I didn't phrase my sentence well in my original comment. Sorry about that! Haha

[@themcmanusgaming]

Now David's back I don't want him to go. Sounds silly I know. I'm looking forward to ncuti. But having David and Catherine has made it great again for me.

[@AssassinIsAfk]

You missed the convo between the dalek and the doctor when the doctor told the dalek to kill its self

[@shahani6037]

Ok so my hopeful theory is that Jodie's and Dhawan's stories are alternate universes created by the Toymaker (he is his own God who create universes). Anyway, i refuse Dhawan as part of the Master legacy.......

[@motionadapt1589]

Well ya was wrong pal

[@budaksdo]

56:33 "read description". where??

[@LordThree]

His name is “Theet Sigma”

[@Odysseus38]

Watching this after hearing old man doctor calls david tennants doctor the one that regrets and matt smiths doctor the one that forgets....i totally get it

[@safiremorningstar]

As seen in the 60s anniversary shows we know that the doctor has gotten things wrong before and the fact is that he wouldn't even admit to his daughter that she was his daughter first of all and she was a time lord or technically a descendant of a time lord and therefore I like the song says teach teach your children well... He wasn't even willing to acknowledge his own daughter because to do so would be to acknowledge the fact that as a time lord and as the last of his race he has a responsibility to the future of his race but as we see he doesn't even his trauma and his PTSD doesn't allow him to see beyond the nose in front of his face it takes somebody like Donna to actually make him see that Jenny is his daughter and she's the one who names her so in many ways she's Jenny's aunt and in someways her foster mum, she's the one who makes Jenny c she's the one who teaches Jenny and that's the point she is trying to make the doctor understand that Jenny is his child even if she can't deal with the fact that in a way even if his world is no longer in existence as his child she is also a Time Lord as will any children she has and he had better buck up and be the parent who will make her a better future for the time Lords who may come after her for she may be the progenerator of a new Race of Time Lords and if that's the case she needs to be taught the right way unlike the way he and the master where taught.