ALL THREE ICE MACHINES ARE DOWN PART 2

[@fakduken9775]

That ice machine cleaner is phosphoric acid based. It also has citric acid in it(lemon acid). Both acids are food grade probably. You can see the difference in the copper tubing at 12:10

[@arthouston7361]

I took the Hoshi class, but all of our sites used the Manis. The teardown was always a gut check...red and black slime everywhere, to the point where I can no longer get ice in a glass when I am out to eat. Yuck. Tell you what Chris, I'll watch you do these, and I will try to stay up on the roof, lol.

[@arthouston7361]

@Len Miller It was probably 7 or 8 years ago, on Cabot Rd near the Oxford Valley Mall. It was a good class, but one thing I noticed in the design differences was the inability to fully visualize the evaporator because it was mounted off to the left, as opposed to be able to fully see the grid in the Mani machines. At that time, we serviced a casual dining chain which did NO maintenance, and everything was "fix on failure." They had a big warehouse of used equipment, and would swap out a machine rather than let us install something new and under warranty. They declared Ch 11 on Oct 7th, and I frankly do not miss working in a live kitchen environment.

[@arthouston7361]

@Len Miller I have about two years left, maybe a little more. None of the instructor jobs or factory rep offers provide enough money to bring me into their fold. It is as if they are like the third party corporates...no cash they want to spend, so they spend a little cash a hundred times over, because the average tech I follow up on had a previous job where he asked the question, "would you like fries with that?" I'm thinking the host for the class was Nordon.

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

@Len Miller @Art Houston Both of you have great points and I will discuss this in the livestream this evening, I’m going live on KZbin this evening 12/7/20 @ 5:PM (pacific time) to talk about my videos and answer questions from comments, emails and the live-chat, Come check it out kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6fGamCvnN5_ZtE

[@maddog2010p]

i dont even work on hvac and i love these videos. just seem so informative. and very professional.

[@wiiyaasiniini5323]

Thank you!! Deep cleaning an ice machine is like a 6hr job for 1 guy, especially if you're like me who runs extra rinse cycles and dumps the first couple batches of ice...just to be sure. In my experience straight up industrial grade 100% vinegar is the best way to clean (soak) ice machine parts. It is super cheap: like $1.99/gallon on Grainger. It is way less hard on your skin than CLR or nickel safe, is food safe, and you can be very liberal with it. Nickel safe really sucks. Its unfortunate that you need to use it on the evaporator. I have found that cotton toilet brushes work the best for scrubbing down the ice machines. They're not that durable, so you'll go through a lot of them but they're JUST abrasive enough to knock off the crust without scratching up the plastic. Replacing the clear vinyl hoses is the only way, they cannot be cleaned.

[@RayRay-nb7tn]

Great video on cleaning ice machines. You mentioned using the correct cleaner, I was in a big chain restaurant the other day and the health dept closed dn there ice machines cuz someone was using the wrong cleaners and basically told them to hire a hvavr co to do a deep cleaning on them. The manager was pissed. Gave them a inspection rate of 80%. They have had higher ratings of 95 average. I was like oh no not good. It was hard for me to keep from ordering a drink, but I got a drink at a different store. Well I went off running my mouth. Great video and always a pleasure to support this channel.

[@legolid1466]

Hey Chris, I’m a Plumbing and heating engineer in England and I have to say thank you. Your videos are brilliant and have really given me a new energy for my job. I’m also now looking into starting Air con . Thank you again buddy. Keep up the epic work and videos

[@HVACRCERTIFIEDTRAINING]

Hi

[@jefferygrady3181]

Great video! You are definitely right about no customer does the cleaning like they should! Most machines I have seen are pretty gross and usually don't have a good water filter either!

[@sterlingarcher46]

Chris could you petition Trutech tools to ship across the pond ? I asked them but they don't unfortunately. Cheers mate .

[@mark351]

Subscribed even though I don't work in refrigeration. Your diagnostic skills and explanations are excellent.

[@mark351]

BTW when you turned the machines on did you say your famous line? "I hope it doesn't blow up!"

[@CHOMAHOMA]

I like how much attention is put on a thorough cleaning. Small details make a big difference. Sometimes, I have worked with leads that say: "leave it like that. It doesn't have to be perfect". I hate that attitude. Can't wait to be done with my apprenticeship to go on my own. Someone told me the opposite one day: "perfect is acceptable". I like that better. Thank you for your videos. They keep teaching me a lot. I will check for manufacturers' training. I don't know. Are they doing training with covid going on?

[@OcRefrig]

Good vid ! Only thing I would do differently is Buy insultubing for the Txv outlet lines. With only One or two wraps of foam tape lines will still sweat and that’s how the machines rust out in that location. Foam tape is only 1/8” thick. That location should have 3/4” wall insulation. 1/2” wall minimum if u cannot find 3/4 wall. It’s also a whole lot cheaper , looks nicer , works properly , and is easier to apply. Simply slide on before brazing. Like # 125.

[@joshuarapanot5875]

Thank you for sharing your repair.

[@jasonjohnsonHVAC]

Ice machines are the bane of my hvac career so far. I admit, i dont like working on them. I can and have, but given the chance....hard pass from me. You are a good tech Chris. Wish you and your company much success and growth. 2020 has sucked and been hard...especially in the restaurant world. I'll stick to chillers, towers, boilers, WSHP, RTU's, MUA and AHU. I have respect for restaurant hvac. Its a hard job and you are a better man than i.

[@televisionhighlights8730]

Seeing most commercial Ice Machines working as an apprentice for a HVAC tech friend of ours, I’m always hesitant to ask for ice. Some of them aren’t maintained, they’re powered on in 2010 and not cleaned or serviced for a decade.

[@OcRefrig]

Not really true anymore , most machines will stop producing ice within 2 years if not cleaned anymore.

[@DocNo27]

@@OcRefrig 2 years without cleaning doesn't sound like that much of an improvement either 🤢

[@OcRefrig]

@@DocNo27 Most machines if they have a water filter on them after 2 years are overdue for a cleaning for sure. But not life threatening. Keeps your immune system on its toes. 😂 😆

[@OcRefrig]

@@DocNo27 When was your home ice maker last descaled and cleaned. Most are Never done in 20 years.

[@williegillie5712]

Your a pretty knowledgeable and thorough HVAC technician. I enjoy watching tour work.

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

Thanks for the nice words bud!! I’m going live on KZbin this evening 12/7/20 @ 5:PM (pacific time) to talk about my videos and answer questions from comments, emails and the live-chat, Come check it out kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6fGamCvnN5_ZtE

[@andrewedis9907]

Well there's your problem, it's a TXV in multiple locations on the kitchen floor.

[@HighestRank]

Andrew Edis an omnipresent TXV, or triumvirate?

[@demonknight7965]

Yeah Im no expert but don't thise work best when they are all in one piece? lol

[@HighestRank]

This video is brought to you by Sporlan, Sporlan, and Sporlan. Soporlans: found anywhere that original parts weren’t.

[@muuphnyi]

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[@michaelcave9071]

Chris you only have one pair of eyes, you had safety glasses on your head wear them!

[@demonknight7965]

Waves hand "These are not the safety glasses you seek"!

[@HighestRank]

Just remind C. that no blind men had ever gouged out their own eyes even despite being totally blind.

[@SOU6900]

@@demonknight7965 😆 I don't think Jedi mind tricks work on KZbin comments.👍 Love your comment anyway.

[@cameronsteel6147]

You saying you’re hungry for lunch has made me hungry, except it’s 2:30am here 😂

[@pauldusa]

Your a Good smart man.. It's too bad others not respect u as they should.. Good for you Always...

[@TheNolesfan94]

All of Vipers products kick ass! I love being able to see the difference between products

[@falloutguy8878]

Some good looking values you sweated on there Chris? Loving your work

[@CanogaHVACRLLC]

Great work an explanation on the ice machine, but man, watch out welding overhead without eye protection. Just want to keep enjoying your work and experience.

[@CrimFerret]

There was a time, not so long ago, when most of this process would have been unneeded because the refrigerant would just have been pumped out into the atmosphere. I suspect there are cut rate companies that still do that. Doing it right takes knowledge, skill, and the right tools.

[@demonknight7965]

im sure there are companies that still do. they better hope they don't get caught doing it though. I would hate to see those Fines

[@gregbowman3598]

Good one Chris 👍

[@fredflintstone8048]

You're a fountain of valuable information. Thank you for sharing. Circulating low ph (acidic) solutions through high ph (alkali ) coated systems will cause a neutralization as the deposits are dissolved which renders the low ph solution no longer effective. How fast this happens is a function of the ratio of the two.

[@michaelwitt188]

^^^ This. It's not like there's chemical properties and components going into the aether from being opened. Also most antimicrobial plastics aren't just coated with a film it's usually all through the plastic. Scratches in the plastic still make areas where microbes can and will collect, but scraping the surface of the plastic doesn't get rid of the antimicrobial effect altogether

[@Rusty_Gold85]

White Vinegar and Bi Carb cleans mould and apart from tasting salty its harmless . Even Hot water

[@bluegliderguy1]

Chris, thanks for the videos. Have you considered and tried induction heating for these tight situations?

[@HVACRCERTIFIEDTRAINING]

Awesome ,keep going ,nice topic

[@90_rooster14]

Good stuff

[@TheWoodman064]

As you this is my first time to see a TXV do that!

[@Eddy63]

Good vid Chris and remember what Norm Abram always said ... There's no more important rule than to wear these ... safety glasses ... Lol ...

[@joshuaperkins7472]

I noticed you didn’t show cleaning the grid with a brush. Do you ever use the Hoshizaki cleaning brush for the grid?

[@J5NJAX]

Good video

[@MariosACandRefrigeration]

do you recommend a better txv,and hot water activates the coil cleaner.

[@xxefamxx3518]

Great vid keep it up

[@henryhildebrand4236]

new leak detector @ 8:02?

[@Terayonjf]

I don't know about now with everything going on but CCF used to have us come monthly to do ice machine cleanings at all their local locations

[@Pennconst101]

Question hopefully you can help. There are a few types of solenoid magnets aside from sporlan, I know all valve shafts aren’t the same size, any experience with others? Fitment etc.?

[@donnierobertson3088]

Great job and video like always

[@johng8473]

Some eye protection would be called for when you use the torch, don't you think?

[@benkeysor7576]

I believe you're technically supposed to wear shade #3 torch goggles/glasses when using Oxy-acetylene because it can eventually burn your retinas.

[@sergioramirez9025]

HOW DO YOU WRITE THE NOTES AND COMPARE IT TO THE TECH SPECS

[@TheLenaweeTrekker]

Ok, I have never seen that before. I have changed hundreds of TXVs in all makes of ice machines, but I have never seen a TXV self destruct like that. What was the build year of the machine? I'm thinking we need to keep and eye on those units.

[@OcRefrig]

Good Question ! I’d like to know the Model number & year also. Ive Never seen a self destruct Tool Txv either. I Hope he blew the lines out good backwards. I hope he got all the parts out of the pipes. Definately a Crazy Find !!! You Will NEVER get Bored in this Trade. Allways something new !

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

I will discuss this on I’m going live on KZbin this evening 12/7/20 @ 5:PM (pacific time) to talk about my videos and answer questions from comments, emails and the live-chat, Come check it out kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6fGamCvnN5_ZtE

[@sterlingarcher46]

Hey wouldn't it help to have a water softening filter in the water supply , or is all that calcium happening even with it already installed ?

[@MoraFermi]

Given the amount of water these things go through, a filter will only slow build-up down, not eliminate it. Water is an awesome solvent!

[@HighestRank]

Mora Fermi I did not know that water softeners had actual filters in them, only a dispersed a sacrificial mineral to react with and precipitate ions. Perhaps I am right.

[@markcaldwell1245]

Many place do have filter softeners but they do not change them often enough if at all and build up occurs. Most filter softeners get changed when a tech finally come out to do a service which at my last company was once a year on ice machine cleanings.

[@irandom419]

Talked to a hospital maintenance person and they do a ton of PM's on all their equipment.

[@rafaarroyo5438]

Thanks

[@haydenuk02]

Excellent work and thanks for the awesome content stay safe and take care

[@sjefoekel6058]

What, no zoomleak install😁😆lmao! Just kiddin, tackled it like a boss!

[@mitchellj5212]

So what about the 3rd ice machine are they still using it or did they turn it back off?

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

Yeah they are still using it

[@elijahtalbot5288]

Nice video

[@ThePete2432]

Sporlan valves need to be standard equipment

[@countryb3785]

You seem to use a lot more heat (flame length) to solder than the other technicians I've seen. Is that just your personal preference - or the way you were trained?

[@richardbartlett6932]

Great guy but soldering is the weakest part of his game..imho

[@GForceConnections]

Why don't they use filters on the water lines to these ice machines to prevent that calcium build up?

[@DocNo27]

Not practical. You can't filter calcium - you have to use a water softener to exchange something else for the calcium and the volume of water they use in those commercial machines would be cost prohibitive for the salt and sizing a unit big enough where it wouldn't be constantly regenerating.

[@sarah1390]

@@DocNo27 I worked for a coffee chain where we had to have a water softener installed that was during a renovation as the lake we draw from for the city water supply is full of Limestone. IT first had to be installed for the self-cleaning ovens. This system was sized for 11 commercial coffee machines, 2 hot water towers 2 self cleaning ovens, a few sinks and toilets and a commercial water heater. Yes the system was bigger than what you would find in a typical home installation but it can be done and in the long run it saved a lot of technician visits as before the water softener we would typically have 1-2 machines go down for a period of what seemed like weekly and then afterwards it would be monthly. I remember when the softener broke down and immediately the repairs for Calcium related buildup in the tanks started occurring weekly again until the softener was fixed. The salt reservoir Took about 6 bags monthly which were the regular ones that could be purchased at home depot and only regenerated every few days.

[@DocNo27]

@@sarah1390 You worked for a smart restaurant. Most are not going to spend money on such a system - even if they had space to put one in or were going to do a renovation like yours did. Good to know that there are at least some doing so though!

[@OcRefrig]

They have Them & they help a lot. People usually just don’t care to spend the money on them. 4 this Hoshizaki it would require a 4 High flow filters/ ice machine @$200.00/filter that’s $800.00 every six months for water filters. People just don’t want to spend it. Usually. Thier are exceptions. A ice o matic or manitowoc is a lot cheaper to Filter. U can just use one i4000 filter / machine. Change every 6 months. $ 200.00 / 6 months is a lot easier to sell and it helps a lot !

[@sarah1390]

Though I hated the replacement hot water tank. Almost any windy day because of the way the intake and exhaust pipes were angled, we would trip a safety, the air pressure switch. Since my father worked in the HVAC industry previously, I picked his brain as to what the issue could be given the situation. it was the increased pressure caused by the high winds and the pressure switch not sensing a Vacuum in the combustion chamber so it would go off on safety. I made a suggestion to my manager to get the plumber and just change the direction of the outlets of those pipes. I believe it was done as there were many windy days afterwards where we wouldn't lose the hot water tank.

[@johnwhite6005]

So your saying that the plastic ice cube trays have antimo

[@TurboCarlos]

Man the water is so bad in LA, There has to be a better way to filter it before it starts flowing through the machine

[@pauldusa]

Go get them. Education is hard to forward for some others. A job within a job

[@chase11119]

Do you prefer that compound or the gooey spray?

[@chase11119]

For the wet rag stuff

[@atomstarfireproductions8695]

Did you also replace the plastic grid or did you leave it?

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

Yeah we replaced all the parts needed on all three machines, I will discuss this on I’m going live on KZbin this evening 12/7/20 @ 5:PM (pacific time) to talk about my videos and answer questions from comments, emails and the live-chat, Come check it out kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6fGamCvnN5_ZtE

[@SchwaAlien]

It feels like that part in particular should have a stainless steel version available since it takes such a pounding at cold temperatures when it’s brittle; seems like one of those intentionally bad designs to keep the bean counters happy.

[@keithv708]

Chris man were some thin tig welding gloves

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

I will discuss this on my livestream this evening on KZbin 12/7/20 @ 5:PM (pacific time) come check it out, and no worries if you can’t make the live show as it will post as a normal video afterwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6fGamCvnN5_ZtE

[@pedrojardim1163]

thanks chris ----not fun to do brazing on does ice machines

[@Bryan-Hensley]

You better not use a torch around vinyl siding.

[@FerroequinologistofColorado]

What can cause a TXV to fail like that?

[@OcRefrig]

Cheap ass Chinese Quality manufacturing. 😂

[@mrbugenhagen3364]

@@OcRefrig I was going to say "Made in Batland" but you made the point. 😂

[@OcRefrig]

@@mrbugenhagen3364 🤣😂🤣😂 First time I heard that saying ! That’s good ! Bat land 😂.

[@HighestRank]

Bats eaterville, Bat master son. Bat man chew.

[@alexzapata692]

Chris what's your opinion on the Infilcon stratus leak detector do you recommend it?

[@HighestRank]

Alex Zapata beep. Beep. BEEP... What, did you want another beep or did you ignore the last three?

[@leedress2187]

when they drop a pan, you need to yell OPA! ..

[@johnwalker890]

Those people probably think you're checking up on them, HVACR police, no body move, just kidding, sometimes you second guess yourself and there's nothing wrong with that, trust your instincts.

[@_iLLuSiv3_]

That nickel plate looks trashed... lol

[@mkm-me9hy]

my headphones fell off 15:48

[@HighestRank]

Wot kook needs ice in December?

[@sivalley]

Come to the south-east. People insist on filling their cups with ice to the brim before filling with drink. I'm originally from Cali, so it's just weird how people insist on ice if the fountain is cold.

[@OcRefrig]

75-85 degrees yesterday in California. Yes , we Need ice to keep drinks cold 🥶.

[@OcRefrig]

Salad Bars - Everything sits in a Bed of ice , Margaritas use crushed ice , Bars use ice.

[@HighestRank]

@@sivalley you 100% made my point for me. This tech does not work anywhere NEAR the SE-USA, he’s in ‘Cali’.

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

We use Ice every day for everything here

[@life_behind_bars]

Hoshizaki has great ice machines, however I will admit when I go to an ice machine service call, and I see a hoshi unit I call my service coordinator and tell her to clear my schedule because this is gonna take a while. 30 minute cycles gets very time consuming.

[@JakeCraftChannel]

Ya, I don’t think the txv should be all over the floor

[@apprenticephil649]

Well that was easy ;)

[@samsimington5563]

Oop! Found a typo in the name of one of the chapters: inverted vowels

[@DanO181919]

What do you mean by pulling a vacuum on a multi point… then you said you have the solenoid magnets.

[@SchwaAlien]

Normally with solenoids closed you’d need to pull vacuum from multiple parts of the system to get it all evacuated, but by opening the solenoid valves with magnets it lets the vacuum be pulled from the whole system rather than having any parts of it isolated... from my comprehension - not experience.

[@DanO181919]

@@SchwaAlien I believe you are correct. Since my comment I had to pull my first vacuum on a ice machine with a remote condenser. I just placed solenoid magnets everywhere there was a valve. It’s working great now. 😁

[@harrydickson4575]

👍👍👍

[@SOU6900]

This looks like one of those days to hate your job.

[@BobbyMac78]

Cleaning **

[@blal07]

If you save all your copper n metals and sell them for scrap make a break down video n upload it under a scrapper name n have 2 channels

[@KadirYildiran]

👍👍👍💪💪💪💪

[@Reebus_]

concentrating on the weld... Guy drops a tray a in the background.....

[@mrryan123100]

How many people actually know the reason why OEM dryers are a different size on either side?? If you didn't know it's so that way they don't get installed backwards in the factory.

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

Intersting

[@SchwaAlien]

Makes sense, factory work is relatively low pay so they can’t expect much worker intelligence or true care and attention to detail, so the easier it is to prevent mistakes, final quality will improve.

[@ronniezzzz]

a new leak tester

[@Pippy626]

This looks like a job for zoomlock lol

[@TheMattgordon1987]

CHRIS were is your mask lol

[@JjMn1000]

Hehe

[@matthewgregory8218]

Compressor looks bad looks like it’s time to change it

[@steveblake8766]

#491 Thumbs uP

[@braidondano3564]

1st

[@Phoen1x883]

Lol, he hearted every single comment except this one Edit: never mind

[@braidondano3564]

@@Phoen1x883 aww I was even his first thumbs up too