ALL WEAPONS Before vs After - Apex Legends Season 13 Saviors

[@vaniiler]

The L-Star was buffed like 3 seasons back so it could be useful only for it to get bashed on to uselessness again.

[@tannerhamilton6025]

Season 9. The only times the LStar was worth using.

[@youtubewanderer3347]

@@tannerhamilton6025 it was season 10 when it got the huge buff

[@carbonx0718]

@@youtubewanderer3347 exactly

[@BestFighter8]

@@tannerhamilton6025 in seasons 2-3 it was cracked as well

[@weebsarecringe2102]

@@tannerhamilton6025 uhm it was S10

[@SilenceUnspoken]

They massacred the Kraber man

[@SilenceUnspoken]

L star is back to meme status too lmao

[@KahliberZero]

Straight up…

[@KiWi-ff2ze]

Good

[@blorpobaggins]

Not even worth picking up at this point

[@soulghost9718]

F for Lstar.

[@ashnlg4185]

This took me a second to realize but I believe the nerfs dispatched to all LMGs across the board was to further emphasize Rampart and boost her pickrate because with her passive it will really make her feel like LMGs are best utilized in her hands over every other legend. Now don’t get me wrong this logic is scuffed but it is a good explanation for why Respawn did this.

[@toecurlersupreme]

gotdamn old L star reload with her was as fast as smgs

[@kingphillipy3625]

And arenas was rampant with those two lmgs

[@random_person_i_guess]

@@kingphillipy3625 hehe, _rampant_

[@kingphillipy3625]

@@random_person_i_guess kek, i tot it was funny

[@aj-sz8mu]

its because of arenas. which is so stupid how guns are being changed solely because of arenas.

[@williamlyons1864]

Lstar and devo got the handling and headshot nerfs because respawn likes those things to be consistent within weapon classes. Idk why but you can look back on their Twitter or previous season patch notes and it they say exactly that.

[@1MoreJT]

feel like devo got nerfed also because of Aeneas

[@ZerpsT]

@@1MoreJT even though they said arenas wouldn't influence balancing

[@domonator5000]

Even though… in practicality… different ammo types often have different statistics such as penetration power (in apex the ability to hit through shields and helmets) max effective range, velocity, and different internal ballistics… sounds more like respawn just feels like being lazy as opposed to distinguishing weapon classes as well as weapons within each class

[@sinanju-06s97]

I thought they explicitly stated they were looking for ways to nerf the kraber WITHOUT directly nerfing it's damage, I think the Helmet change should've been more than enough

[@matejzaletelj7260]

If the helmet change would've been all they've changed it would've still 1 shot headshot you lol

[@sinanju-06s97]

@@matejzaletelj7260 yeah, I realize that, but my point should still stand about nerfing the kraber's damage

[@efhi]

They should have made it so that only red evo + purple helmet shields you against the one shot headshot imo

[@guyperson7487]

@@efhi exactly

[@Midaim-y7m]

@@sinanju-06s97 if you don’t nerf the damage it’ll still be one shot. Don’t know what to tell you lol.

[@krynyxx]

So... A mastiff headshot does more than a kraber bodyshot... Thanks respawn

[@xfalsesoulsxx7560]

Makes so much more sense now

[@kidkid]

Still not as good as season 0

[@daniele7180]

@@xfalsesoulsxx7560 no it doesn't... Literally a massive bullet going at like Mach 3

[@Adam3k20]

@@daniele7180 its sarcasm, you NPC

[@khirek5335]

@@daniele7180 so you think you'd rather survive a shotgun to your head????

[@random_person_i_guess]

My opinions on these changes: Kraber: The absurd headshot damage was the one thing keeping it good. While the body shot could be argued to be decreased, *THE* one shot sniper no longer being one shot, ruins it entirely. Replicator Switches: Happy, since most areas already have a lot of materials and a replicator, meaning those weapons are more consistent. Flatline would be good to see more of, but I never really liked the Longbow. Rampage: Nerfing all the LMGs works for the Rampart buff, but otherwise, it’s ehh.. but Rampage was an annoyance at times. Dual Shell: Always picked this over something like Shatter caps, now 30-30 is going to be a bit of a reset the fight weapon to full reload L-Star: I know it’s an LMG or whatever, but after buffing it for 3 seasons, nerfing it makes no sense. Devotion: I never really saw enough Devotion play to form a good opinion of it, especially since I slept on Arenas. Havoc: Nice! Spitfire: Fair enough coming out of the care package (although I didn’t really have enough airtime with the spitfire, playing with it or seeing others playing it) Mastiff: Fair enough. Peacekeeper: Always had issues with limbs since my PK consistency is about as good as Respawn’s balancing (I’ll let you decide how good or bad that is), but suffice to say I may be lucky and hit 11 damage rather than 9 Fortified Headshot: This could be annoying, but I never really play Fortified legends. I’m happy with this. Helmets: While I’m glad helmets have a more enhanced use, single shot weapons are going to suffer from this, which sucks considering weapons like Snipers, the Wingman, the 30-30, etc.

[@seacucumber4418]

damn you somehow managed to completely match my opinions on the weapons this season, nice.

[@asdfasdf1880]

Who

[@defyspy]

@@asdfasdf1880 asked ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@LA_MALA_ORDINA]

insane for thinking 18 damage spitfire is just far enough

[@random_person_i_guess]

@@LA_MALA_ORDINA I didn’t really get enough airtime with the Spitfire to properly form an opinion. I have changed the message to reflect this, sorry about that.

[@criticalhippo5927]

I dont get why they removed the duel shell. I get that the mastiff is in the cp but i think it was a really nice hopup. They could just keep it on the 30 30

[@ArmourFarmer]

They could've at least replaced it with the selectfire

[@respecting]

I think it comes on the care package mastif. Lol

[@songflower1]

Because it would mean having a hop-up in the loot pool that only goes on a single, rarely-used weapon, in an already saturated loot pool. Why do you think they’ve been putting guns in the crafter?

[@pepacrow6794]

@@songflower1 laughs in shatter caps

[@ashimotoakai9599]

@@pepacrow6794 3030 and bow, so technically not 1 gun

[@sydney_pepper]

quick and concise, very helpful video!

[@hamzahmohammed5491]

I also have NO idea why they nerfed the Lstar

[@andreaskarlsen3071]

Because the community complained to much and alot of people complained even after a few nerfs to what we have today. And now it got even more nerfs because idk

[@mailman6528]

Not really sure but maybe they did it to balance out the rampart buff? Still if that's the case I don't think it's neccesary at all.

[@hamzahmohammed5491]

I know it varies match to match but I really felt like the LSTAR wasn’t really part of the Meta this season anyways…so nerfing it seems reallyyyyyy unnecessary…it does seem like they’re trying to slightly rearrange how players thing of LMGs in general (given the needs to the spitfire and devotion being fairly substantial as well) but again I think the LSTAR was already in a good place…at this point I feel like unless you have really good attachments it’s a straight up bad gun

[@adammk8473]

@@hamzahmohammed5491 L star has a brutal recoil so its not like it was ever really bad, just extremely hard to use

[@hamzahmohammed5491]

@@adammk8473 that and the muzzle flash as well…you’re right I guess it’s more that it required a little more skill to be issued really effectively which is too much to ask for normies like me 😂

[@IsThatAllStranger]

L-star doesn't deserve that nerf like wtf

[@SaltySalman]

ppl dont use it in BR but arenas has been plagued with lstar devotion spammers since the start

[@lawstroyer]

@@SaltySalman i dont think anyone uses lstar in arenas. It's literally the most expensive gun there and why use it when u can buy devotion, havoc, flatline, spitfire, and CAR.

[@lawstroyer]

@@SaltySalman im an arenas player who has 2k arenas games and only 3.5k br games.

[@SaltySalman]

@@lawstroyer i guess region difference? I got about 3k arena games. And 20k br. With the price nerfs the early game picks have stopped but its still a very strong gun in arenas. Why use it? Idfk.. ask the cringelord 3 stacks that use it every round.

[@lawstroyer]

@@SaltySalman yeah maybe 👍 I play on Asia servers (Singapore, Hongkong, Taiwan) so that might be the case.

[@Tigerbarsch]

The L-Star balancing history is the best proof, that Respawn isn't capable of balancing their games weapon meta. I think they're on a good way for the legends, since the last seasons, but the weapons are still a mess. The L-Star was PERFECT before the season they added two new attachments to it. Respawn just can't accept that there are weapons, most people don't like. But therefore we have that many weapons, so everyone is able to choose. Another big flaw of this season is, that they put the mastiff in the care package and nerfed the Eva to the ground. Seriously: I would rather pick up the Mozambique, than the Eva. The problem is, that they added a shotgun based legend last season. So the ONLY shotgun, which is logical to use for Maggie Players right now is the PK. Cause the PK was buffed several times... too much I think. And now, without the Mastiff it's the only very good weapon tho choice for Maggie. Except Moz+Hammerpoint Chads. ;-)

[@BigChillenXD]

The kraber and L-star nerfs were actually unnecessary 😒

[@jessossenkopp]

So the one thing special about the Kraber is basically gone now. Nice.

[@RorschDG-2]

The Kraber was nerfed because of Comp players complaining. The correct solution was to remove it from Comp the same way that Heat Shields and the gold knockdown shield was removed. No reason for it to have been nerfed like that.

[@DANNYonPC]

Respawn: lol fuck the LMG's

[@peabrain6872]

my babies

[@edgarweiss9907]

I'ts nice to hear your oppinion about a few of these changes

[@emeraldsaiyan4953]

You didn't mention that the mastiff has dual shell built into it now

[@lightfingers0750]

Bros recoil control is insane 😳

[@MartinEW]

So in short, Kraber, which was the only gun in the game that could one shot can only one-shot early game despite only being able to get it only late-game? Makes a lot of sense respawn thanks.

[@chadg.9692]

Who would win? A 50 caliber bullet from kraber or incendiary rounds from mastiff

[@Memann208]

"Expect this to be *HEAVY WEAPON season" Honestly its been Flatlines/Spitfires/Wingman everywhere in Ranked.

[@youtubewanderer3347]

Makes sense, there are so many heavy weapons this season

[@alexandremoreira363]

Lets goooooo the flatline is back on the ground😭😭😭

[@peabrain6872]

and they didnt buff it back though

[@alexandremoreira363]

@@peabrain6872 honestly I still like it without it getting buffed back to God Tier

[@crushingboulder448]

The Havoc will be slept on this season as well, I'm getting my toes shot off by 3 Spitfires.

[@gastontzartos1928]

no one was playing energy from s12 cause there was no good energy ... the havoc and divotion was good but need turbo a rare find in the game... so no one playes them exepct if u find turbo first... now no one will play whatever they find,,, need the new weapons to play energy again

[@Leven81972]

I dont know but after this video, im feeling like, its better to play with the fist now...

[@idontknowyet738]

New players will never fear the craber the same way.

[@EL-BAB]

i think i like the mastiff change, its not as busted as season 0 mastiff, but its better than season 8 mastiff

[@racingsponga]

I knew this season was gonna be a spitfire meta

[@toecurlersupreme]

i agree that L star needed a reload time increase since the whole point of using it was to discipline ur firing enough to AVOID the reload, but they just completely devastated it with these nerfs

[@takensteak4485]

Kraber nerf was so uncalled for big yikes from respawn

[@JLoTupRising]

You sounded like pathfinder at the end when u said BYE!

[@cosmoah9671]

seems like the 301 shoots faster now

[@daniberriro]

You forgot to say that the Mastiff has Dual Sell now.

[@luna_for_tuna]

these are so helpful because i dont want to read the notes thanks mokey for all of these vids!

[@TwynZ_AYAN]

Great video!!

[@jjooeeyy2659]

id be cool with the kraber if it could 1 shot purple but cant 1 shot red shields. not doing 200 damage with a headshot is pretty lame tho

[@horizon1g]

my man blessedseal actually managed to get into a mokey video

[@kaystephan2610]

I remember in Season 5 or so they did the exact opposite change to the Kraber. Everyone (rightfully) complained about the Kraber not one shotting Fortified Legends even when you headshot them. That's why they buffed the headshot multiplier. So that EVERY Legend is one shot with a Kraber Headshot. And now they do the exact opposite because a .50cal ARMOR PIERCING Sniper is apparently not supposed to one shot you with a headshot. Braindead stupid decision. And I don't even use the Kraber.

[@conorjglennon]

I feel the devotion nerf should only have been needed for arenas as it’s honestly not a big deal in br. It’s only really viable with a turbocharger which can be hard to come by without it in the replicator and it’s also eats through energy ammo which most people don’t carry so it isn’t always feasible late game.

[@TVScully]

Fr wtf nerf the pk or the havoc not the fucking Devo. If they really cared they should have just changed up arena prices because those are wack

[@TVScully]

It’s all good though this season made me quit lol I have to take a season off. And no energy pistol or new Nades or anything nifty like that. It’s just a real letdown after all this time waiting and playing on that garbage stormpoint.

[@digitalhadoken]

all im saying is shotguns are hitting more accurate this season.. I have yet to hit a 9 with the pk... spitfire pk is pretty fun so far

[@youtubewanderer3347]

The limb buff really makes shotguns do more damage

[@BigBoySho]

You just jinxed yourself

[@titosusva]

me and a friend still hit bad, but the mastiff.... idk why it cant deal full damage, just 44 or even less, i know im not used to play with it but my friend does and still hit bad, also 4 shells :/ i think i will stick with ARs, SMGs and LMGs over shotguns

[@itzdrillza7497]

@@titosusva It hits for 144 bro... Aim better

[@titosusva]

@@itzdrillza7497 i cant aim better, the weapon have a problem, also 144 is full headshot, im master btw. I know i dont use very well that weapon but if i laser with every other weapon, its not all my problem

[@jatingulati2092]

Devs be like : someone killed me with this gun, now am gonna nerf it....

[@evilkermitjr.3652]

Been Running around all day with 2 spitfire, guess I'll try 2 havocs next

[@ChickenMan3428]

WOOO BABY ITS A RAMPART HAVOC META SEASON

[@kirkendauhl6990]

I can see why they’d nerf the Kraber like they did, high level ranked and tournaments had to dance around that thing a lot. Now as long as their health is completely full they’ll have a fighting chance. Tbh though I’m sad to see it happen. It added some really nice excitement when that weapon was in capable hands.

[@beefkidgaming2368]

It’s really stupid when they could just remove it specifically for tournaments. They’ve already done that for gold knockdowns and heat shields

[@animephoenix7193]

Why did they nerf the kraber like we hit all of our shoot

[@hakanafoxtrot7762]

The "Use Rampart Please" Update.

[@jooorj_]

Ty Mokey ❤️

[@KevinGannets]

I have no reason to pick up a kraber now 😵‍💫

[@flixzyy4252]

mokey, did you know that u can move in deathboxes on controller?

[@normalguycap]

It's been 13 seasons. Respawn really doesn't know what they are doing.

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen5152]

I will definitely be that guy in master lobbies spraying a spitfire, should’ve left it the the care.

[@peabrain6872]

so you’ll add salt to the salty players to make respawn put it back. it was my favourite gun since launch and it was always considered “trash” now after they increased the damage by 1 in season 8 everybody thought it was op, then they care packaged it, then they nerf it’s whole purpose and people still bitch and whine

[@doubleghost4103]

@@peabrain6872 They just have no brain, Spitfire with blue attacments was already really good enough in season 0. But in season 8 some streamer (i guess) said it's OP and here we are. Same thing with Flatline and Kraber. Even 301 now became a OP gun. Those snowflakes...

[@peabrain6872]

@@doubleghost4103 i never liked the 301 because it felt like it did too much damage for such a fast fire rate, and also it’s so generic

[@youtubewanderer3347]

@@peabrain6872 crazy how the spitfire right now is on the worst state it has ever been and people still say is broken. Then what happened in the first 7 seasons? It wasn't breaking the game but now that is nerfed it is?

[@doubleghost4103]

@@peabrain6872 Maybe you are right. But as a day one player i remember old Wingman, old PK, R99 and Mastiff. And after that. 301 is a just simple gun for new players and someone, who just wanna chill. Ofc, 301 is very good, especially with 2X, but if we just start nerf any good gun, what's next? All guns would be trash and we will use Hemlocks only?

[@allnightshifty]

Apex Community: RAMPAGE IS SO OP DEVS NEED TO NERF IT OR PUT IT INTO THE CP OR SOMETHING Respawn Devs: we should probably nerf the L-Star 😁

[@LexaSkye]

everyone and their mom using spitty this season.

[@dankirt15]

They didn't blow up the map this time, just destroyed the weapon meta's and the kraber

[@dankirt15]

But I'm actually pretty interested in how this all plays out in game

[@AintPopular]

Devos reload times takes ages now

[@cdv1qa]

Thanks Mokey

[@JamesWood-cx6gd]

one thing to note about the mastiff is it does have dual shell

[@lexdalex1]

I feel like the 2x of the 2-4x is more zoomed in than the regular 2x. Is this true or am I imagining things?

[@AcceptableAsGenerallyDecent]

Mokey y'think you can grapple slingshot off of Newcastle while he's not jumping?

[@Kat-nj2cp]

Did you know that if you hold out Newcastles ult on a gravity cannon it doesn't send you as far

[@unknown.v10]

def felt the peacekeeper get better 🙏

[@silasbertrand8596]

Mokey i am curious why respawn didn't set 120 fov as a option in the in game settings when they could easily do it and implement. i have adjusted my setting to play 120 fov because its really fun and I've seen a lot of progress in my skills, I'm just curious why it cant be a option in game.

[@bladenplays7846]

Yo mokey I found a way to redirect a super glide to were you are backwards its kinda like a tap strafe but on console

[@realnothappycat]

Thankyou for the information, thats means alot to me..

[@notuser733]

I don't know if it's a bug or something, but I air strafed after gravity canon and did 90 degree turn. I was playing Newcastle on console

[@wing_103]

Can you make a video on slide grappling (backward > jump > crouch > grapple > jump)

[@Caleb-wd6st]

I noticed in the firing range that the spitfire has the same body and headshot damage as the p2020

[@polaralpha5561]

They needed the L star bc it’s op in arenas, I used it a couple times and in arenas is shreds but now it’s doodoo

[@kadenfrfx]

that hipfire nerf on spitfire is actually crazy tho

[@pelufaz8435]

Nice vid

[@_cl0udz_494]

Hey mokey just letting you know that you can tap strafe in apex mobile.Just tried and it worked

[@rezonite]

Thank you sir.🙂

[@AintPopular]

havoc+bow+pk is the best loadout rn

[@dejboi]

Nah brother, we all hate when we get krabed but this mag needs to one shot headshot anything from any range. That’s the rule of the internet

[@s.......]

Lstar can be the nerf wattson meme when ur refering to weapons

[@sansok7827]

Me left Apex at the end of season 9, and come back to Apex season 13, getting surprised by knowing L-STAR became a trash thing.

[@jereroivanen7263]

Mokey i need to kniw if this is a bug or what but me and my friend were able to airstrafe off gravity cannons today. It was crazy with horizon i did it many times but then i could not do it anymore. Any idea what is happening

[@peabrain6872]

look how they massacred my spitty

[@jxxye6524]

Sorry if I'm being annoying or if you've seen it before but I managed to do something like a tap strafe out of a gravity cannon and idk if it's new or if it's been seen before 😅

[@22rsx]

L-Star and Devo did not need Nerf's.

[@reyluna0]

Why does respawn hate the the L-star and LMGs in general? I'll admit I'm not the greatest guy when it comes to aim so i do lean on big magazines to compensate These nerfs feel like a way to either make ppl use something else or give more reasons to pick up rampart due to her passive

[@leaf8396]

The L-star man… just… why? I didnt even pick up the thing before but now it’s not even an option.

[@NvrchFotia]

Rampart getting nerfed more, just what we needed

[@lologannus]

they nerfed the LMGs rampart is gonna get picked even less

[@alisonthebitch7067]

But they massively buffed Rampart

[@lologannus]

@@alisonthebitch7067 they did ?

[@lologannus]

@@alisonthebitch7067 nice 😎

[@XZEL1210]

dual shell is inbuilt into the mastiff now

[@marcusseifert122]

first care package weapon i got this season was the mastiff and i was playing maggie... i made those players bleed 😂

[@prosandcons-fl2cc]

so happy i dsicovered the havoc this season

[@mrvn3817]

Ooga booga kraber is just as bad as every other sniper les gooo

[@TriggerzConnors]

Kraber is still good if you poke the enemies a few times.

[@RyanGoertz916]

The only thing that anyone uses anymore is the spitfire lmao

[@Steamgirled]

broken af lets be real

[@peabrain6872]

@@Steamgirled nope. it’s just an lmg

[@Steamgirled]

@@peabrain6872 there's a reason it was nerfed to shit (way more nerfs than now) back when valk was released and then carepackaged a few weeks later.

[@Steamgirled]

And carepackage was pre nerf, not even a buff

[@peabrain6872]

@@Steamgirled carepackaging is a nerf

[@breezeless_7665]

I can’t believe spitfire got 11 nerfs and it still manages to be great, what the actual fuck

[@bruhbruh3761]

does anyone know if they changed the flatline values at all now that they took it out of the crafter or is it still the same ?

[@bunth786]

But lmg for Rampart took nerfs too?

[@cthomp81]

I don't like them nerfing the kraber. The care package guns are supposed to be game changing weapons, the kraber has the highest bullet drop in the game,should put it on ground loot then. This let's me know the developers don't even play the game and only listening to streamers on there opinions instead of the masses. For God sake they nerfed horrible gun in the l-star. Rework lifeline damn it

[@benjaminhanley2507]

You are taking the risk of going for a glowing beacon in the sky that disappears as soon as you touch it. They should have more of an impact. It would also make the care packages more contested, which is good. As of right now people won't even take 20 steps out of their way to go for one. I see them left alone most of the time.

[@rationxlity]

they nerfed flat when they put it in the rep, but no not the carbine, cause the carbine definitely isn't the most versatile and reliable weapon in the game.

[@actuallyfungi1384]

For comp I get the kraber nerf, in favor for said kraber nerf. But in the rest of the game I want my carepackage weapons to hit me like the wrath of God. I wanna be headshot and instantly sent back to lobby, no knock just loss

[@benjaminhanley2507]

I like the way you think

[@dilll3066]

I would just remove it from comp. Seems like the easiest and most fair solution.

[@Theimmortalbishop]

Mokey did u know that if u hold Newcastles tactilcle u get some new animations

[@Mokeysniper]

wdym new animations ?

[@Theimmortalbishop]

@@Mokeysniper like sometimes u see as he holds it he clenches his fist

[@Theimmortalbishop]

@@Mokeysniper but if u do it for long enough I got a new animation it was like a American thing or kissing his finger

[@desmond3245]

How many times are they gonna change the havoc recoil pattern? lmao

[@MudCrabber]

The kraber nerf is so stupid