St Edward's Chair - A History of the Medieval Coronation Chair and the Stone of Scone

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Allan Barton - The Antiquary

Allan Barton - The Antiquary

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@mcarp555
@mcarp555 2 жыл бұрын
It always amazes me to think of all the royal rear ends that have sat there in that spot, including Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, George III, Victoria, etc. Except of course for Edward V, Lady Jane Grey and Edward VIII.
@nancybradford8514
@nancybradford8514 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating isn't it
@JaneA544
@JaneA544 2 жыл бұрын
Don't think lady Jane was crowned and Edward visited definitely wasnt
@mcarp555
@mcarp555 2 жыл бұрын
@@JaneA544 The three I mentioned were not crowned. That's why I mentioned them. The only three not crowned since the chair was built.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
What an extraordinary feeling it must be for the king to know he too will add to that history.
@mcarp555
@mcarp555 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton A feeling that William may not have considered yet, and certainly not Prince George. Sometimes history is spread across a field of battle or an entire city; but sometimes it's all encompassed in a few sheets of wood, about three feet by two feet.
@Suzicherie7777
@Suzicherie7777 2 жыл бұрын
I saw this chair in person. It looks like it spent years in a high school classroom with all the initials carved into it! It still held the Stone of Scone at the time.
@alanaw27
@alanaw27 2 жыл бұрын
I saw it as a child with the Stone intact. I’m Scottish and I remember my father explaining the history. It was a big event when the Stone returned to Scotland. Graffiti is quite common on old items and buildings. In the Orkney Islands, off the north Scottish coast, there are amazing chambered tombs. When they were excavated Viking graffiti was found carved into the inner walls.
@thomashernandez8700
@thomashernandez8700 2 жыл бұрын
Remember the funny scene in "The King's Speech"?
@Chris-fh2cl
@Chris-fh2cl 2 жыл бұрын
The graffiti, the shabbiness and the faded decoration all add to its charm... love it! As I love this channel!
@patriciayohn6136
@patriciayohn6136 Жыл бұрын
I am American and took my Daughter on a tour to England and France in 1997 a everyone on our tour got a laugh over the graffiti on the Coronation Chair, glad the British have left it there.
@grimtt
@grimtt Жыл бұрын
Graffiti is one of the oldest art forms! 😂 I agree, adds to the charm. Would’ve loved to have seen the chair in its original condition too, though! Great video, since seeing the coronation I had been wondering about the chair’s history.
@nickimontie
@nickimontie 2 жыл бұрын
I feel that I'll be able to watch the upcoming coronation with a more informed eye ,thanks to your videos. Thank you!
@Cazador60140
@Cazador60140 Жыл бұрын
Yes it will help the middle and poor class of London understand their roles as serfs
@sandybruce9092
@sandybruce9092 2 жыл бұрын
I have discovered your videos only about a month ago and I am totally enthralled with your knowledge of British history. I am a proud American but I do envy the British people for all the items/buildings/churches/etc. that are still around to view. And I so appreciate the pacing of your speaking voice - not too slow and not too fast. So many people today seem to want to spew out words a mile a minute. Thank you so much for your videos and please keep up with showing and teaching all of us about history.
@paigeycakey5061
@paigeycakey5061 2 жыл бұрын
You should visit! Thanks for appreciating our history.
@johnbruce2868
@johnbruce2868 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy Bruce!! My goodness! With a name like Sandy Bruce it's certain your family origins are not American. There's little doubt that, akin to myself, you are descended from teuchters (persons dwelling in the countryside) from the east coast of Scotland. Your splendid name would suit you very well in any town from there. Especially the likes of Brechin, my home town. All the very best!
@peterbilt-bo1vy
@peterbilt-bo1vy 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, all that history is absolutely fascinating. I thoroughly enjoy seeing the beautiful architecture and furnishings and imagining how it might have been to live amongst so much beauty. Of course, I do keep in mind only the upper classes had the privilege of doing so. Also, I very much enjoy hearing someone speak with such eloquence. I wish people here in the USA were taught to articulate their words and, as you mentioned, speak at a much slower pace which of course happens naturally when one properly articulates when speaking. Just so you know, I am American born and raised in the southeastern part of the country and I am blessed for it. I love my country as any patriotic American does. I simply wish people would spend more time reading books and learning proper grammar. It pains me how lacking our educational system has become. It's shameful. Worse than shameful, our own schools are, and have been, teaching our children to hate this once great nation. Communism is trying to destroy us. Nikita Khrushchev said it would accomplish that from the inside out and that is exactly what has been going on here for decades only most people here aren't aware of that because our schools have stopped teaching that which is important and have been undermining our Representative Republic. And so many of our people are walking blind. I apologize for my lengthy comment. I am just so upset about it all. Venting my emotions. Oh well. I truly enjoyed this video and hope to see many, many more of the same. God bless you all and keep you safe. ✝️💟🇺🇲♥️😔🙏✌️🙂🇺🇲❣️🇺🇲❣️🇺🇲❣️
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Bless you Sandy for your kind comments and words of encouragement. I will keeping going, it is great to know people like the work I'm doing.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterbilt-bo1vymany more to come. I am a great believer that beauty has the ability to save the world, it's just a matter of enthusing the younger generation with a love of beauty.
@clarebear6736
@clarebear6736 2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing the Coronation Chair on my visit to the UK and thinking 'Those naughty school boys.'. Thank you for bringing history to life through your videos.
@lauramason5667
@lauramason5667 2 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting to see how the more that we’ve learned about the universe the less powerful the monarchy became in the eyes of the public. I’m not diminishing the monarchy but they held this godly position a long time ago that they don’t or can’t reasonably hold anymore. Thank you for this fabulous education. British history fascinates me.
@donnaorton9547
@donnaorton9547 2 жыл бұрын
I’m learning and SEEING so much English history from your channel. I’ll certainly be looking for this coronation chair now that you’ve explained it’s history! Thank you again for what I am learning. 🇺🇸
@AV-fo5de
@AV-fo5de 2 жыл бұрын
It is also believed that the real stone was moved and hidden as Edward Longshanks' Army headed for Scone. The Monks removed it and hurriedly replaced it with a lump of local sandstone according to tradition. The tradition is that the real Stone will be restored to view by its hereditary keepers when Scotland regains its Independence. "There were no carvings, nor carrying hooks, nor any of the details seen in the 12th-century seals of the Scottish kings and also illustrated in contemporary coinage. These show the kings seated on some larger stone object, high enough for them to be seated on in the first place. The carried-off Stone of Destiny is only 10.75 inches (27cm high.) " must-see-scotland.
@zanpsimer7685
@zanpsimer7685 2 жыл бұрын
The fact Edward had the stone placed in the coronation chair has me truly gobsmacked.
@andrewg.carvill4596
@andrewg.carvill4596 2 жыл бұрын
There was a similar stone at Tullyhogue in Co Tyrone in Ireland, upon which the local O'Neill Chiefs were installed since the early middle ages (outdoors on an artificial hill or Rath that mayitself date from prehistoric time and still exists). After the Tudor conquest of Ulster, this stone was apparently smashed and scattered, symbolizing the end of the Gaelic order that had lasted for over a thousand years in Ulster. Whether the Stone of Scone was quarried locally or brought from elsewhere, it does seem likely that it (and enthronement seats like it) were connected to the installation ceremonies of early Gaelic chieftains, and to the early medieval Gaelic kingdom of Dal Riada which comprised, at its height, much of Ulster and Western Scotland.
@Lovelylove4everyone
@Lovelylove4everyone Жыл бұрын
Is that the Hill of the O'Neills near Dungannon?
@annettewillis2797
@annettewillis2797 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant overview Allan! It brings a now rather battered chair to life as the throne it once was. It is incredible though, that such a significant piece of royal, and quite political history, was left unguarded for schoolboys to write on and rest in! It is wonderful that it has survived the clear ravages of history.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I find that extraordinary too - great churches like Westminster Abbey sort of entered a period of malaise from the 17th to the early 19th century and such things were not infrequent.
@4sstg
@4sstg 2 жыл бұрын
You never disappoint. 🌟
@sweptashore
@sweptashore 2 жыл бұрын
The floor mosaic is stunningly intricate and beautiful. The messages conveyed by its imagery are compelling. I do hope the restorative work allows it to be on view during the coronation and no longer hidden under a carpet! Also wonderful to learn about the original "glitz" of the coronation chair and how it was designed to incorporate the Stone of Scone. Cheers.
@όαγωνιστής-θ6θ
@όαγωνιστής-θ6θ 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it will be amazing to see. This is a tradition that originated with the Romans and is a very cool link to antiquity.
@caro-uk
@caro-uk Жыл бұрын
The Cosmatti floor was clearly visible during the wedding William and Cathetine and the funeral of our late Queen - magnificent 🙂
@jacquelinelc2843
@jacquelinelc2843 2 жыл бұрын
How interesting! Thank you for uncovering the meaningful symbolism that is lost if not uncovered and explained. I’ve seen the chair in person and was a bit disappointed, but with this background information just might see it with a new set of eyes.
@lpcherry2324
@lpcherry2324 2 жыл бұрын
I discovered your channel just recently. Your videos are well done and fascinating, I’ve been watching all of them! Thank you!
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them, thank you for the subscription.
@thevictoryoverhimself7298
@thevictoryoverhimself7298 2 жыл бұрын
The story of the theft/liberation of the stone is seriously epic considering how recent it was. Imagine the moment where you’re getting away with reclaiming this epic and thousand plus year old object and you drop it and break it in half 😂
@elzar760
@elzar760 2 жыл бұрын
And then Yakety Sax begins to play.
@gerber680
@gerber680 Жыл бұрын
I thought there was speculation that the stone returned to Westminster after the theft/liberation was not the actual stone of scone and that the original had been buried under a castle in Scotland. But I may have that wrong.
@thevictoryoverhimself7298
@thevictoryoverhimself7298 Жыл бұрын
@@gerber680 the guy who repaired the stone (Scottish) said he secretly put a note inside it before joining the pieces together. It could very well say “PSYCHE” :)
@Simca33
@Simca33 Жыл бұрын
Perfect Monty Python moment
@paulleverton9569
@paulleverton9569 Жыл бұрын
I seem to recall the story of the Stones 'reappropriation' being used in an episode of ANGUS MACBETH.
@ThomasCostigan
@ThomasCostigan Жыл бұрын
Readying myself for the coronation, I'm a 32 year old English patriot who loves a bit of history. What a fascinating history, I love our traditions and what a great one this is! What a great video, cheers fella.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
Hello Thomas, thanks for commenting. It is going to be amazing, to see history unfold before our eyes and for the first time in 60 years this chair once again serve its purpose.
@stepps511
@stepps511 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Allan! What a wonderful video, full of fascinating detail.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I am pleased you enjoyed it.
@christinewells-leddon9287
@christinewells-leddon9287 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, as always. I very much look forward to hearing your perspectives on some of the other vital aspects of the Coronation proceedings. Well done!
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you - lots more to come, I reckon thirty + videos between now and May!
@christinewells-leddon9287
@christinewells-leddon9287 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton You come up with some of the best topics! I loved the explanation of the tiled floor as well, I do hope we see it in it's full glory at the coronation!
@keithdavies6316
@keithdavies6316 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the wonderful explanation of the Coronation chair I appreciate it tremendously
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome, thanks for watching!
@cherylmcinnes4434
@cherylmcinnes4434 2 жыл бұрын
It would be lovely to see the chair restored to its former beauty, and yet so important for its history to be seen and maintained.
@TerryC69
@TerryC69 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Allan! Quite an amazing bit of history surrounds the throne, stone, and floor mosaic. I was barely into the video when I had to reach for pen and paper to make notes. I consider myself privileged indeed to have access to a scholar such as yourself. Cheers!
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
That's great Terry, I am really glad you have enjoyed it - very kind of you to say that you are learning from me. It is a great joy to be able to share with you all the things I am passionate about. Thanks very much.
@peterbilt-bo1vy
@peterbilt-bo1vy 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton I would like to thank you, as well. I very much appreciate your videos. I find history fascinating, to say the least. Please, do carry on with making these fascinating and informative videos. Thank you. 🙂🇺🇲❣️
@jessicaellina3878
@jessicaellina3878 Жыл бұрын
I love the chair in it,s battered, faded, worn out state! It just screams of it,s history and authenticity...all those previous monarchs sitting proudly..l really can visualise it! I sincerely hope that it is never restored. Late to the party, but thankyou for this wonderful account. The Coronation was beautiful in all it,s historic splendour.
@MyMagical1
@MyMagical1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your most informative and inspiring video. As a a proud Brit, who loves our history, watching this and learning so much, is an absolute joy.👍🇬🇧
@skadiwarrior2053
@skadiwarrior2053 9 ай бұрын
Didn't fully realise the amount and, importance of the symbolism of the chair. Fascinating thankyou.
@TikiHi77
@TikiHi77 Жыл бұрын
Thank for the all these details. I really appreciate it. This is the information I've been looking for. You provide the detail without going too deep, just right. Plus, the pictures you used are perfect. Getting up close to see the details you are talking about.
@bieuxyongson
@bieuxyongson Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another wonderful video on the history of the coronation. I love all the history that is still there for us to enjoy and learn.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
So glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
@jillcox6685
@jillcox6685 2 жыл бұрын
I am really enjoying your excellent videos. So informative and presented in a very concise and excellent manner. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@wilsontheconqueror8101
@wilsontheconqueror8101 Жыл бұрын
Well done! The history of the chair or throne is fascinating! Along with Edward 1 snatching it from the Scotts. The floor is beautiful!
@nancybradford8514
@nancybradford8514 2 жыл бұрын
I am stunned at how the chair looked firstly, and Queen Victoria had it painted brown? Why? Its so beautiful regardless and all those famous bottoms sitting on it and the floor is gorgeous, yet I had no idea of the gemstones in the actual flooring, and I want to see it one day
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I rather like the weathered look too, but it would be great to have seen it in its original splendour. I hope you can see the floor, that really is splendid.
@dr.strangelove7739
@dr.strangelove7739 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation of the history of St. Edward's Chair. I'm glad I found your channel!
@brianhepke7182
@brianhepke7182 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing.... I want to be in London for the coronation...I made this promise to myself when I was in my teens and I am hoping to fulfill it in the not too distant future. Great videos...thank you.
@mindydalek7078
@mindydalek7078 2 жыл бұрын
I adore your channel and have learned so much and it really is your narration that makes it extra special. You sound much like Father Brown who I equally adore so that's probably why I enjoy your channel so much. Keep up the great work
@jamesshave6186
@jamesshave6186 2 жыл бұрын
Allan you’re simply the best and bye far the most knowledgeable understandable and interesting person to listen to . Thank you Jamie Romsey England uk
@ChrisHunt4497
@ChrisHunt4497 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the Coronation and your description of it. 😁😁😁
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait either!
@lemorab1
@lemorab1 Жыл бұрын
I just watched this video about St. Edward's chair. Your is the first explanation I have read about how all the graffiti got on it. I wonder that it sat there so unguarded that the Westminster schoolboys actually had time to carve into it! I watched Elizabeth II get crowned in 1953, when I was four years old in California on a sweltering hot day. Our ancient TV set had what we would now consider a small screen, and the image was grainy black and white. But, I knew it came all the way from England, across the ocean. I was transfixed, an anglophile from all the fairytales my mom read to me. This time, I will be working, but I plan to catch KZbin clips later on.
@n.c.9023
@n.c.9023 2 жыл бұрын
The history of the chair is quite amazing. Now, they need to extract The Blarney Stone and incorporate it into the ceremony!
@lornaperryman489
@lornaperryman489 2 жыл бұрын
So very interesting and informative. So glad I found your video. Thank you so much for publishing.
@bobm2331
@bobm2331 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
@leahnichol6665
@leahnichol6665 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I found this fascinating. I think it is wonderful that the King will be Crowned in a tatty old (very old) chair, thinking of all his relatives, good, bad and indifferent, who were Crowned before him. I expect Charles will have the Mosaic showing. I am so looking forward to it.
@misss.o.j.
@misss.o.j. Жыл бұрын
This was informative and fascinating. Thank you!
@cactusrandomfred1
@cactusrandomfred1 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Are you going to do a video about the annexes to the abbey built for each coronation. '37 and '53 were particularly interesting examples of contemporary architecture contrasting with the ancient abbey.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, all of that is coming in future videos. I have a really interesting set of postcards from the 1937 coronation that shows the abbey empty with everything prepared - really wonderful. Including the annex. I wonder if they will construct one this time? They don't have long to do so.
@cactusrandomfred1
@cactusrandomfred1 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton My instinct is that if they do, it will be smaller and more temporary like sort of pavilion or marquee. Perhaps able to be moved and used again elsewhere or again for William's eventual coronation.
@jameslusco6653
@jameslusco6653 2 жыл бұрын
It's very intresting the coronation chair. I will watch your previous video's and can't wait for the next 😆. Great Britian history is my favorite
@timcase2494
@timcase2494 Жыл бұрын
Just finished watching the Coronation and was fascinated by the chair. Great video.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you found it helpful!
@RoyRoberts-j8p
@RoyRoberts-j8p Жыл бұрын
'Hammer of the Scots' ....Love it ! 😉
@rosajucglaserra4506
@rosajucglaserra4506 2 жыл бұрын
Moltes gràcies! thanks so much and thanks for the subtitles!
@ianport2185
@ianport2185 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating & thanks very much for producing this - hope you get lots of views so 'the people' or in fact 'The King's People' will understand the ceremony more than otherwise. Hope the pavement remains uncovered since it explains the role of the monarch not as 'head of state' but as the embodiment of the kingdom (so in my opinion he's not 'head of state', but is 'the state' itself, so you can't be head of yourself!). Fixing the King in this way, I think, will allow a more democratic ceremony hopefully involving fewer peers and including at least the presiding officers of the Westminster & devolved legislatures. Plus as you say, St Edward's Chair will look amazing with the pavement complimenting its design. What's also interesting was that the chair remained so potent that Oliver Cromwell used it at his investiture as Lord Protector during the (probably necessary) interregnum. I also think the Stone of Scone will become a bit of a hot potato but Sturgeon will support it's temporary return home just as she was happy to attend the Accession Council.
@harryc8415
@harryc8415 2 жыл бұрын
I saw the stone when it was still in Westminster, proudly stood in the crowds on the Royal mile and watched it being taken up to the castle and of course also visited the stone at the castle. And will most definitely go to view it when it is taken to Perth for permanent display. May well be a piece of stone quarried in or near Scone but there is something magical about it nonetheless.
@mcdell6970
@mcdell6970 Жыл бұрын
Get a grip. It’s a fake piece of stone 🤪
@bobfinlayson3377
@bobfinlayson3377 10 ай бұрын
Ah. But is the fake of a fake?​@@mcdell6970
@UATU.
@UATU. 2 жыл бұрын
I love the scene in The King’s Speech where Lionel Logue infuriates George VI by lounging on it, prompting him to yell “I have a voice!” in the cathedral.
@mindyschocolate
@mindyschocolate 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, lol. The movie showing it with graffiti is how I learned the real one was vandalized too.
@scotsman555
@scotsman555 2 жыл бұрын
The stone of destiny is back where it belongs. Also no English monarch ever sat on the throne of Scotland but a Scottish monarch sat on the throne of England when James the sixth became James the first.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, people always seem to forget that it was a Scottish takeover, not an English one!
@richardjohnston3359
@richardjohnston3359 2 жыл бұрын
Yes Robert also that it was a Scottish king (James ) whom created the plantation of Ireland great to see the Scots taking some responsibility as we English always get the blame and hate !! 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@scotsman555
@scotsman555 2 жыл бұрын
He probably might have. My point was even though Edward 1 wanted to be king of Scotland he never was. History tells you no English monarch was ever King or Queen of Scotland. But it was a Scottish take over of the English throne thanks to your Elizabeth 1 not having any children.
@Ionabrodie69
@Ionabrodie69 Жыл бұрын
Oh there’s always a bitter Scot spewing bile…. 🙄🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@undiscoveredone1
@undiscoveredone1 Жыл бұрын
It’s just a bit of rock, you can pick them up anywhere.
@williamevans9426
@williamevans9426 2 жыл бұрын
A thoroughly enjoyable and most informative presentation. Many thanks for acquainting me and, I'm sure, many others, with lots of information of which I was previously ignorant! Having just discovered your channel, it's a pleasure to subscribe.
@nadiabrook7871
@nadiabrook7871 2 жыл бұрын
VERY INFORMATIVE video, Allan!!💚👍💖
@deniseatkins9407
@deniseatkins9407 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. I saw the stone and the Scottish crown jewels when I visited Edinburgh castle in 1999
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Scottish crown jewels the Honours of Scotland.
@Wosiewose
@Wosiewose 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder, will there be a procession of some kind bringing the stone south to London? Something like the procession that brought Queen Elizabeth's body back to London from Balmoral?
@angelathorpe1611
@angelathorpe1611 2 жыл бұрын
This was so well done.
@yfrontsguy
@yfrontsguy Жыл бұрын
I'd to hear a commentary on the actual carolingian coronation by you!! I'm certain you would have many revealing insights.
@celianelson6679
@celianelson6679 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos. Very educational. Very captivating. Thanks for this content
@kgreat9657
@kgreat9657 Жыл бұрын
Well done! All over your videos are excellent. You are to be commended...your style is so understandable.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! Thank you very much.
@robertwilkscomposer3726
@robertwilkscomposer3726 2 жыл бұрын
That floor is spectacular.
@MoonSpinners
@MoonSpinners 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t it be nice for someone to make an exact replica and decorate it as it used to be with all the gilt? It would be great to see it as it used to be
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a replica made.
@cheshirecat7132
@cheshirecat7132 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton I’m imagining a painted slipcover over the back. No harm done to the chair itself that way.
@peterwilding3515
@peterwilding3515 2 жыл бұрын
Could the lion feet on Queen Mary’s coronation chair be the 16th century ones removed in 1727 from St Edwards chair ? They look 16th century in style, and look like they were added after the chair was made.
@jupite1888
@jupite1888 2 жыл бұрын
So interesting thorough and knowledgeable videos on each subject. Excellent
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@spottedreptile2671
@spottedreptile2671 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. I am very interested to see what they do with the floor for King Charles' coronation. Hopefully it isn't covered in carpet again. Maybe they wanted to protect the surface when carpet was introduced. Sound deadening may be an issue, like all the horses' and troops' marching feet echoing round the streets during the Queen's funeral, so they had to bring in some sand. Maybe some red carpet strips for people to walk on but leaving the main floor uncovered?
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I hope so. I think the area to the west of this floor which needs to be raised up anyway would be best carpeted - but there is no need for the whole thing to be carpeted.
@bobm2331
@bobm2331 Жыл бұрын
Well done Sir. Most interesting.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Bob.
@lucasgondreau7880
@lucasgondreau7880 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. How delightful that it's still around and still used-it really is beautiful! As someone else said, when the coronation happens, my understanding and experience of it will be much richer thanks to this. To offer a correction, unless I'm mistaken, the Edward who commissioned this throne (Edward I) is not a saint, although he was likely named after the saint. The saint, Edward the Confessor, _was_ an English king, but is one of the pre-Norman Invasion monarchs, hence his lack of numbering. To confuse things, the chapel in which this throne resided until 1998 was indeed that of _St._ Edward. Also, the Westminster Abbey website thinks that the king painted on the back could have been either Edward.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Lucas. Indeed Edward I was not a saint! The chair is of course named after Edward the Confessor and was placed next to his shrine, and painted with his image to associate it directly with him. Like St Edward's crown this is a very deliberate attempt by the Plantagenets to justify their rule through a connection with the Saxon king and his saintliness. Do watch the next video on St Edward's Crown and its history as a relic as that is the ultimate example of that.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
As for who the image on the chair is, I think the Abbey website is wrong and it is certainly not Edward I. Thr figure is holding a church which in late medieval iconography indicated the founder of a church. That could be Henry III who refounded the Abbey, but is more likely Edward the Confessor given the name of the chair.
@tracymcardle1236
@tracymcardle1236 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very informative bideo👌👌
@TheHansDekker
@TheHansDekker 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate yr videos very much. Thank you. Fascinating history without any political twists according to the new ideology.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching.
@ReflectionsonFaith
@ReflectionsonFaith 2 жыл бұрын
I had the great privilege of being shown the coronation chair in 1985 by Alan Luff, who was at that time the Precentor of Westminster Abbey. Allan, do you know where the chair would have been physically located in the Abbey during that period? I'm struggling to remember that detail of my visit. Thanks for the wonderful work, as always. 👏
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
It was in two places in the Edward the Confessor's chapel in recent years, just to the east of the altar screen behind the high altar and then next to Henry V's tomb. In 85 I think it was still to the east of the altar screen. It is such an imposing chair when you come face to face with it.
@mcarp555
@mcarp555 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton My first time in the Abbey in 1990 I clearly remember it at the top of the steps from the Henry VII chapel to the tomb of Henry V. It struck me how easily anyone could approach it. So it's probably better off in its current location.
@dukeofhaas
@dukeofhaas 2 жыл бұрын
And the chair was still at the top of the steps from the Henry VII chapel when I first visited the abbey in 2009. Although the chair was just out of reach from visitors, it was not behind glass as it is today to the left of the western door. Personally, I prefer the current dominant location, located just across from the Tomb of the Unknown and adjacent to the historical painting of King Richard II, apparently the first image of an English monarch painted from life.
@meighanlynne
@meighanlynne 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely video!! I learned so much! Thank you for this very interesting video!
@josephineford9886
@josephineford9886 2 жыл бұрын
So glad that you do not have an accent and I can understand your speech, usually English people have an accent makes it hard to understand. I enjoy your videos.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I have a slight East Midlands accent, but having moved around a lot it's not very strong.
@Ionabrodie69
@Ionabrodie69 Жыл бұрын
What like you Americans don’t have accents.. New York,Deep South..really hard to understand Y’all …🙄🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧
@dalestaley5637
@dalestaley5637 2 жыл бұрын
The Stars of David was an interesting choice to represent stars of the cosmos.
@marilynwoolford-chandler1161
@marilynwoolford-chandler1161 2 жыл бұрын
It was really worth watching. Thank you.
@jldisme
@jldisme Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very interesting.
@blorac9869
@blorac9869 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed, TYVM!
@bweev7863
@bweev7863 2 жыл бұрын
Do agree w’ sandy bruce
@zoetrent73neo55
@zoetrent73neo55 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very informative video. All the best to your channel!
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@charlesmccormick585
@charlesmccormick585 2 жыл бұрын
Has there been talk of restoring the Chair to its magnificent and former glory?
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
It has been conserved, but it is too important to restore it to its former glory without losing so much of its original structure. I rather like how weather beaten it is - the patina of age.
@davidthemod4729
@davidthemod4729 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing. Thank you, Allan,
@henrygingold6549
@henrygingold6549 2 жыл бұрын
We'll see, we'll see
@CharlotteinWeimar
@CharlotteinWeimar 2 жыл бұрын
Another superb video with incredible detail .
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Charlotte.
@MarkVA71
@MarkVA71 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining this.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
@paulbriere4872
@paulbriere4872 2 жыл бұрын
How did the chair escape Cromwell? Thanks for the amazing content!
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
He actually used it and was enthroned in it in 1657 at his investiture as Lord Protector. It was taken to Westminster Hall for the purpose.
@meeeka
@meeeka 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton DJT's mother was a good Scottish lady teetotaler, who also suffered terribly from postpartum ailments, leaving him as an under-tended infant, who could never be controlled, even after she returned home.
@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733
@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733 2 жыл бұрын
@@JelMain are you for real? Trump literally did nothing wrong while in office. The media and the dems did a good job on you. They said he's this and that, yet he never did anything. Charles the first was an absolute monarch. Trump is the executive of the federal government, forts ports and 10 Square miles and nothing more. The senate and the house is where the power lies, they are worse than the long parliament. Some have sat for 40 years in that place. Rather one tyrant than the 650 currently sitting in parliament
@carolburns8667
@carolburns8667 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating information than you❤️🇨🇦
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@RAGING_MIRAGE
@RAGING_MIRAGE 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Nice to see Walter of Durham doing his job...My home city lol
@mariwilliams4433
@mariwilliams4433 Жыл бұрын
Just found you , fascinated with this history from Talladega Alabama USA
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
Welcome Mari.
@mariwilliams4433
@mariwilliams4433 Жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton it is an honor to listen and learn more from such learned person, listing and learn j.g
@mariwilliams4433
@mariwilliams4433 Жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton listening and trying to take in all your information
@annehenderson9207
@annehenderson9207 2 жыл бұрын
Another Allan Barton gem. Thank-you!
@annmarielyn1869
@annmarielyn1869 2 жыл бұрын
I saw the chair in Westminster abbey in 1972. It had the Stone of Scone under the seat and there were a lot of initials and such carved into the wood, Sadly defacing it. There were no guards immediately around at the time. I came across it by chance.
@jenniferstone2975
@jenniferstone2975 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! You’re an excellent presenter. Thank you!
@jonchalk3855
@jonchalk3855 Жыл бұрын
Interesting that one can see the Shield of David on the floor of the Abbey. The line of King David carried on.
@bobbibuttons8730
@bobbibuttons8730 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Allan, as an aside will you be getting another hard copy of the antiquary. I have vol 1 & 2 and have subscribed but vol 3 was out of stock.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Bobbi - vol. 3 is now in stock again, I had a malfunction on the website!!!
@bobbibuttons8730
@bobbibuttons8730 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton ahh thank you Allan. I look forward to the whole collection.
@phillipmcgough6282
@phillipmcgough6282 2 жыл бұрын
so happy to have found your, rather niche, channel!
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I could't do anything else but niche - I am really glad you like it.
@phillipmcgough6282
@phillipmcgough6282 2 жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton lol, and plenty more for me to watch. thank you
@exeterbeekeeper
@exeterbeekeeper Жыл бұрын
have been watching your videos they are a great watch
@navalhistoryhub3748
@navalhistoryhub3748 2 жыл бұрын
That hat the king is wearing at 3:40 looks like a Jesters hat? Surely not?
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
That's a cap of maintenance, I'll do a video on them.
@banana9106
@banana9106 2 жыл бұрын
It would be wonderful to make a fabric cover for the damaged panel of the chair. Perhaps red velvet embroidered with a gold design reflecting the original painted surface. It could easily be attached via the pinnacles etc.
@LaPinturaBella
@LaPinturaBella 2 жыл бұрын
Even better to hire an art conservationist to replicate the original gold leafed motifs and bring it back to its original splendor.
@meeeka
@meeeka 2 жыл бұрын
@@LaPinturaBella No, how much better its defaced body shows its own history. Better to have its own Coronation Robe, only to be worn when a monarch is crowned.
@cheshirecat7132
@cheshirecat7132 2 жыл бұрын
I had the same thought. It could be painted on a canvas fabric and slide over the back to give the illusion of how it was. It would still preserve the chair as is without smoothing the graffiti etc which seems necessary were they to re gilt it.
@cheshirecat7132
@cheshirecat7132 2 жыл бұрын
@@LaPinturaBella that would require smoothing the graffiti etc which are all a part of its history. A fabric cover wouldn’t change the chair itself at all.
@S24W2
@S24W2 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, could you please do a video on St Edwards Crown?
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
I've got three on the channel all about St Edward's crown.
@S24W2
@S24W2 Жыл бұрын
@@allanbarton many thanks
@deniseroe5891
@deniseroe5891 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to be there got the coronation. Would the archive consider a restoration for Kings Charles coronation? Maybe they won’t do carpet for this one.
@andrewg.carvill4596
@andrewg.carvill4596 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video. I had always thought, because of its title, that the chair dated back to the pre-Norman St. Edward the Confessor. I was a bit disappointed to discover from your video at it originated only as a propaganda instrument of the later King Edward I, to usurp both the Scottish throne as well as usurping the mantle of the sainted King Edward.
@Ionabrodie69
@Ionabrodie69 Жыл бұрын
Ooh another bitter Scot ..🙄😂🇬🇧
@andrewg.carvill4596
@andrewg.carvill4596 Жыл бұрын
@@Ionabrodie69 Guess again ...
@SeldimSeen1
@SeldimSeen1 Жыл бұрын
That was interesting. Thank you.
@allanbarton
@allanbarton Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
@jilltagmorris
@jilltagmorris 2 жыл бұрын
Marvelous as always!
@allanbarton
@allanbarton 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jill for all your kind comments.
@richardsingh5827
@richardsingh5827 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video
@garycannon1247
@garycannon1247 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, very informative.
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