Crashing Into Santa Monica Bay | Scandinavian Airlines System Flight 933

[@Crewmate85]

Respect for Allec for finding so much information

[@peterguirguess853]

Oh wow, I thought they put the records in the final accident reports, I didn't realize they had took up other records

[@lemonator8813]

Allec is the best.

[@donnafromnyc]

Kudos to you Allec for analyzing this crash and digging up all these records. Plus putting together how checking for a lowered nose gear was a factor in several crashes in that period. RIP to the passengers and flight attendants who perished that day.

[@martinross5521]

Thank you Allec for all your research and work to assemble this video. So many things going wrong to create cumulative stress and mistakes. A very sad outcome…

[@donnafromnyc]

What really floored me was the captain going ahead with a back door (sic) flight approach which was totally unauthorized and NOT on his charts. Playing fast and loose with company procedures. And the real lack of communication between the captain and the first officer flying. The flight engineer was unusually junior.

[@muffs55mercury61]

Three months later (Easter break) I went to visit relatives there and had second thoughts on flying after hearing about this and two others. Five days after this crash, United flight 266 crashed after takeoff into Santa Monica Bay. Also two months earlier a Japan Airlines DC-8 crashed into San Francisco Bay 400 miles to the north. I took the bus from Phoenix instead.

[@lindadavies6109]

Don’t blame you one bit, methinks I would do the same, or take the train…

[@martinross5521]

Good decision, those feelings of caution are there to keep you safe. If I ever disregard the warning bell, things get very difficult…

[@muffs55mercury61]

@@lindadavies6109 Oh how I wanted to but we didn't have passenger trains in Phoenix in early 1969. The last one stopped running in 1964 and Amtrak didn't start operating until 1971.

[@lindadavies6109]

@@muffs55mercury61 thank you for the info. I live in another country so I wouldn’t have known about that. Blessings 🕊

[@MidnightPodcastGaming]

@@muffs55mercury61 Safest form of travel right? LMAO !

[@MightyMezzo]

I find your videos on these decades-old incidents fascinating. I too would like to know what consequences the cockpit crew faced.

[@stuartlee6622]

Castration I heard.

[@deepthinker999]

@@jensnobel5843 Well Said !

[@travist7777]

I always love tbe photo montage at the end-- amazing you can find them!

[@dfuher968]

And that very last photo is the actual accident aircraft "Sverre Viking".

[@travist7777]

@@dfuher968 Tak skal du har!

[@haiti222]

Allec, this is one of your best, so far- clear, interesting, a crash not widely covered, and excellent analysis of the lack of CRM.

[@steve-marsh]

Great video again, and on a slight side issue, that is (was) one beautiful aircraft!

[@blrenx]

If the NTSB and airlines really want to prevent these types of rookie mistakes by experienced pilots they should remove the biggest distraction in the cockpit. The pressure put on pilots to be on time no matter what. No one can tell me that not keeping on schedule was foremost in there minds.

[@watershed44]

@blrenx Bingo, I don't care how late I might be as a passenger, I'd rather arrive alive much later, than dead and on time! It's insane how narrow minded some passengers can be. Actually the majority of passengers are understanding as long as things are explained to them. Communicate applies to the passengers as well. Have the FA brief passengers on delays.

[@derbagger22]

Yeah, because they've done nothing over the past 55 years.....

[@lemonator8813]

Look at how many accidents have happened in the last 20 years. Virtually none. We can always do better as an industry though

[@watershed44]

@@jensnobel5843 The only real mistake they made was failing to know their altitude and position in the air at that point. It's weird because it appears that SAS had a sterile cockpit rule in place even back in 1969 when this incident occurred.

[@deepthinker999]

@@watershed44 Like Kobe Bryant ?

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

On the bright side... Thirty people (67%) survived this crash, which is pretty high for a waterborne crash! Also, they were close to shore, which turned out to be life-saving even further, because two of their three main rafts were punctured and deflated upon scraping against the plane. The coast guard ended up rescuing them within an hour, but if they had been much further out to sea? Probably fewer survivors.

[@roberthagedorn290]

I suspect many of those 30 people who were fortunate enough to survive the crash had major injuries. The 12 passengers who perished undoubtedly had their seat belts fastened, so the force of the impact killed them, unless they drowned. The flight crew may not have yet been buckled in for the landing. There were so many mistakes made by so many people.

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

@@roberthagedorn290 Only seventeen reported injuries! That still leaves thirteen unscathed! Pretty insane to think you could go through all that raucous and sustain zero injuries requiring treatment. And yeah, insane amount of mistakes here.

[@donnafromnyc]

@@roberthagedorn290 I read on Wikipedia that the fuselage broke in three parts and the forward section stayed afloat for hours, while one section (I think the tail) immediately sank. Happily this was only a partly full aircraft doing a final leg to LA. There were supposedly people who were not injured, just shook up, cold, and waterlogged.

[@naughtiusmaximus830]

Relatively warm water and not deadly rocks on the coast like New Zealand.

[@jimandmandy]

I think it was Los Angeles County lifeguard boats got there before the Coast Guard.

[@dan797]

Very well documented and thoroughly explained. Thanks

[@egmjag]

We were living in Mar Vista at that time, very close to Santa Monica but closer to the border between Marina Del Rey and Venice. I was 2 when my mother, I and twin brother flew to central Mexico around December 1968 or early January 1969. My mom would sometimes mention this and the other flight that crashed 3 days later also in Santa Monica Bay. My dad remembers stopping at a restaurant on his way to pick us up at the airport. He heard that either this flight or the one 3 days later had just happened and saw many ambulances and fire trucks speeding down the highway. He also heard about sharks feeding on the bodies and immediately thought we were on that flight because we were scheduled to land a few minutes later after the crash.

[@usmc9127]

I remember hearing about that. I’m from Los Angeles. But, at the time, I was a Marine on my second tour in Vietnam. My Mother also wrote me a letter about it. I’ll never forget it

[@bobwilson758]

Good Mom & family ! Trying to keep you in the world .

[@fever_spike]

Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

[@mbvoelker8448]

Love the coverage of these older incidents.

[@watershed44]

@mbvoelker8448 I do as well, it's clear that distractions and multiple failures seemed to cascade in a terrible way back in the early part of the Jet Age. But various airlines even back then had something approximate to the "sterile cockpit rule". It wasn't a new thing when they created regulations enforcing it in the 1980s.

[@58biggles]

Shades of Eastern 401

[@dfuher968]

Only this was 3 years earlier.

[@58biggles]

@@dfuher968 l know, nothing was learned from it sadly

[@lemonator8813]

Great job! I learn so much from all of your videos. I just got a job at FlexJet and in no small part to how much I love watching accident videos like yours. Keep up the strong work! I hope you're doing well in your flight trainning!!!

[@EYESandHEART]

Great video Joshua. ❤

[@michaelbedinger4121]

Great video, thank you.

[@SavannahGalleries]

55 years ago I boarded this flight in Copenhagen- my first airplane ride at 17 years old. I had gone to Sweden on the oceanliner SS Kungsholm in December with my father. He stayed a few weeks longer in Sweden- I flew back to California on this plane alone. I sat in the very last seat of the tail section. I got off in Seattle and flew on to San Francisco. I had flirted with one of the young passengers in the Copenhagen airport. The next morning when I read the paper his picture was on the front page with injuries and account of what happened when the plane crashed in LA.

[@PJHEATERMAN]

Wow !! Thats a whole mess of things going on. They just kept piling up and the stress on the human brain shows you how pilot performance is degraded. It would be interesting to throw that flight into a Simulator and watch how various crews handle the same scenario.

[@baraxor]

Shades of Eastern 401...a distracted crew trying to figure out whether the nose gear is deployed or not so nobody is watching the altimeter.

[@maassauto]

Curious if they had to perform a go around at LAX, why wouldn't they attempt a second landing vs. going hundreds of miles to Las Vegas? There's numerous lsrge airports closer to LAX as well

[@dfuher968]

As stated in the video, they had only the 1 landing attempt, then their remaining fuel required them to divert to Las Vegas immidiately due to the long wait time at LAX. And they were informed, that weather was below minimums at closer airports. So if they had a go-around and tried again at LAX, they would no longer have had the fuel to get to an airport with proper weather conditions to land.

[@R4002]

This is like Eastern 401 meets Avianca 052 meets American 965, on approach to LAX.

[@bobwilson758]

Right Sir ! I see the common denominator - LAX ATC Not a good outfit , to this day ! Sorry ~ Hot tip : Don’t fly to California ! Take a pack mule and horseback - No shet !

[@Supersean0001]

One of the things I've heard time and time again is, "Don't drop the airplane to fly the mic", meaning don't get so wrapped up in talking to ATC (or any other distractions) that you forget where you are -- in the cockpit of a hurtling piece of machinery -- and what you're doing -- trying to get somewhere safely. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since these accidents, and Cockpit Resource Management (CRM) is now standard. So many of the things that are commonplace today were lessons learned from deadly accidents of the past. True, there were fewer here than one might have expected, but that was just luck. Could have been a lot worse. You can also see another characteristic of most accidents in this one. Many times there's a chain of events that, had any of them not happened, the whole accident might not have happened. All it takes is breaking one link in that accident chain.

[@jeremypearson6852]

Many times, these accidents are caused by one issue, but this was a whole litany of miscommunications aside from the broken landing gear light. Very sad.

[@kylebittner5100]

Best channel for simulation air disasters.

[@analinares-nl6yk]

Wells down plenty of información, thanks You very much Ford this video.

[@eggsyninjagrape1734]

Ingvar Andersson is my grandfathers brother. He helped save a bunch of people by getting them out on the wing.

[@davidwainwright2816]

They also never completed the landing checklist……🤷‍♂️

[@ShakespeareCafe]

This is why you never let your tank in your automobile go under 1/4 before refueling. I was monitoring my electronic range and it said I had 40 miles left to go then all of a sudden the range display just went to --- and the yellow low fuel light had been on for quite a while. You start to sweat not knowing how much actual fuel is left or if you'll make the next exit with fuel. Don't let that happen to you. Luckily the next exit was a few miles away and when I filled her up there was just one gallon remaining. Whew, that was a close one.

[@derbagger22]

On the flip side, I run my cars close to empty quite often. On Fords and Lincolns they use a Miles to Empty that will read down to 0. By studying the gauges, I've gone 19 miles past that. On many makes, like GM, the yellow light will come on with 2 gallons left. So if you know you can get 30mpg on the highway, do about 45-50. If you're in city traffic, do it after 20-30. Filing up before getting to 1/4 tank is your prerogative. But it's not necessary in the least...

[@ShakespeareCafe]

@@derbagger22 I think a lot of cars use fuel to cool the fuel pump so it's not good to let it go towards empty...depends on the make

[@derbagger22]

@@ShakespeareCafe that's a nice theory not backed up by experience. I run my cars down all the time. My current car is sitting with about 1/10th a tank right now. Just hit 299k miles. My previous car is the one I ran 19 extra miles when it said 0 to empty. 372k miles. The one before that made it to 377k miles. All run down low many, many times. All on original fuel pumps, all on original fuel filters. Not running it under 1/4 tank is not practical and in my work not realistic.

[@californiadreaming9216]

​@@derbagger22if you think you are clever by routinely running your car critically low on fuel, you are, eventually, going to get a nasty and expensive surprise. 1 Electronic info re: distance to empty is NOT accurate. 2 When running vehicle critically low on fuel you DRASTICALLY increase the possibility of electric fuel pump ingesting impurities and failing OR sending impurities (especially rust,dirt and water) into fuel filter(s) which can become clogged. 3 Contemporary vehicles with EFI are NOT designed to tolerate interruptions in fuel flow between fuel pump and fuel rail. If your vehicle's fuel tank is critically low and vehicle is banked to left or right OR hits a series of significant bumps on road, fuel pump can ingest air, cause fuel flow interruption, which will cause engine to shut off. Then this air must be purged from the feed line. Some cars will do so on their own with extended cranking (hard on starter, hard on battery), some will not - air will have to be purged manually. A good idea is to determine the exact size of your fuel tank (manufacturer or service manual). If vehicle has, for example, a 16-gallon (US gallon) tank, refuel when gauge reads 1/4. If tank accepts 12 US gallons when refueling, gauge is reading accurately. Refuel when gauge reads 1/4 or higher. Thank me later.

[@derbagger22]

@@californiadreaming9216 you obviously didn't pay any attention. All of my real world experience proves my point and debunks your theory. Did you not see HOW MANY MILES I've put on my vehicles? I've now got that Volvo up to 340k miles. Ran it down to under 1/10th a tank just yesterday. I get it down to its last 1/2 gallon pretty regularly. Millions of miles on my vehicles, all on stock fuel pumps, too. Sorry, you have nice ideas but not backed up by actual real world evidence. "Thank you later", lol. No thanks

[@Eric2221]

What a perfectly awful alignment of the swiss cheese safety model. Thank you for your detailed explanation!!

[@loislane4583]

That sure was a pretty aircraft though!

[@allenmurray7893]

Thanks, Alec. I don't remember this one, but then, I was stationed in England at the time.

[@donnabaardsen5372]

I would like to know what happens to the cockpit crew in such situations. The aftermath for them.

[@dfuher968]

I dont know about this crew, but that last example, Allec mentioned, in 1978 have a survivors club, that meets, or at least used to meet, regularly. The captain used to come to these gatherings until his death, and they all said, that despite them not blaming him he was a broken man. He was so broken with guilt, it led him to an early grave.

[@donnabaardsen5372]

@@dfuher968 Thank you for this interesting information. Yes, I did hear about this particular captain. Very, very sad.

[@donnafromnyc]

Crashes of this type reinforce the great work done by the airlines and safety experts looking back on these incidents in creating 'sterile' cockpits on takeoff and landings, reliance on checklists, CRM (including encouraging first officers and non-flying pilots to interact and correct the flying pilot) and lots of simulator training on outlier situations. Back in this time, very little of this existed. Training was done on real aircraft. We may love the old props and jets but today's procedural and automated safety features (and GPS!) make flying light years safer than back then and even the 1980s which was my time working for an airline. Even then, far safer than in the 1940s and 1950s. (FYI, I'm not a pilot, so if my terminology is a little bent forgive me.)

[@gartwilliams3347]

I remember this crash. I was 10 years old living in Hermosa Beach. It was raining that night, when the news broken later in the evening.

[@thetruthnothingelse5033]

At this time there was no terrass warning I assume?

[@thetruthnothingelse5033]

Terrain

[@redwingdetroit9671]

Nice job aji

[@desdicadoric]

Why did they stop having flight engineers?

[@georgegonzalez2476]

Money. It saved 1/3 of the up front labor cost. Engines and hydraulics got so reliable there wasn’t that much for them to do under normal circumstances.

[@pcbondart]

Alec, I'm a huge fan, watch every one of your videos I come across . . . one bit of constructive criticism, your typical shots of planes flying thru the night sky are hard to see, maybe you could "cheat" a little on the illumination, that's about it!

[@tonytor5346]

May they Rest In Peace. They were pioneers of a new era back then!

[@johnmarksmith1120]

Sounds a little like the west coast version of Eastern 401. Not a carbon copy but certainly some of the same components at play.

[@quakerlyster]

I used to work for an airline years ago and I heard from an old employee that there was once a flight out of LAX full of future pilots who were going for training that crashed into the Santa Monica bay. He said that there used to be a switch that was accidentally tripped on takeoff that turned out all the cockpit lights, and since it was night time they lost control. Obviously that switch was changed or removed.

[@csxguy3002]

Request: Yeti Airlines 691

[@watershed44]

*Number one rule, make sure you know your altitude and position in the air at ALL times* No excuse for this with three people in the cockpit.

[@bobwilson758]

Also : air speed !

[@thetruthnothingelse5033]

Nr one always concentrate to fly the plane, no diverting attention to that

[@SSN515]

The irony. The Captain was a ex-RAF Coastal Command Squadron Leader and he crashes it into the bay...

[@johnsmith5255]

It was the co-pilot that was flying the plane, not the captain.

[@speedlever]

@@johnsmith5255 While technically true, the safe operation of the aircraft is still the captain’s responsibility.

[@SSN515]

@@speedlever Yep. It's his ship. He's the HMFIC.

[@jayreiter268]

I remember this one as it was soon after I started at LAX. Never read the report as we did not operate DC8s. Heard it was a bulb but was puzzled. I understand now I hear the full story.

[@bobwilson758]

Good Ole LAX threw this crew right under the bus - nothing has changed I see . FN great atc ~

[@donnafromnyc]

Any information on what happened to the flight crew? The captain was also not Scandinavian based on the name which I'd believe would be unusual for SAS.

[@donnafromnyc]

The flight crew boarded in Seattle for the LA leg. The captain was British and joined SAS in 1948. Bad end to his career.

[@billolsen4360]

The Captain was British. It's not unusual at all to have a non-Scandinavian flying for SAS or a non-German flying for Lufthansa, etc.

[@donnafromnyc]

@@billolsen4360 I'd also think in that 1950s-60s era where there were a lot of former military pilots looking for a cockpit, that wouldn't be unusual. I worked on the SAS advertising account when I was a junior account executive early 1980s and never came across it, but they had plenty of Americans working for SAS in at that time their NA HQ off Queens Boulevard.

[@tomperkins5657]

Excellent!

[@747-8F]

I flew the DC8 for about 1500 hrs and if i remember correctly: if the red landing gear light was not illuminated with the light testing ok,,then this would have been a valid gear down indication. The same goes for the Portland crash: one light inop with 2 other systems ,including a red pin on top of each wing,indicating a gear down situation,plus a tower fly-by, was more than enough to land safely

[@chargerfan2]

I flew on a SAS airline DC8 once from Copenhagen to Oslo. Smallest plane I've ever been on.

[@Hawker900XP]

Selecting landing flaps would have been another verification whether the nose gear was down and locked. Doesn’t seem like correcting the altimeter error at this point would have made a difference.

[@lohrtom]

Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?

[@tomservo56954]

Yes...after they raised the tail section from.the bottom of the bay

[@TJTurnage]

There sure was a lot going on here. I lost count on the number of Swiss cheese slices that all still found a way to line up holes.

[@diegonavarro708]

Good video. You didn't indicate if the crew survived

[@1rem1Art]

gracias

[@CheapSquierBassPlayer]

"Ja, my name is Hands."

[@Bruno-tm3xo]

I was an Airline Pilot for 40 years, finishing on the A380. Every time I read about accidents like this I feel for the crew who ended up losing passengers, colleagues, an aircraft and making a big dent in the airline reputation. I would be interested to read what happened to them after that. Then, huge progresses have been made in CRM but it took another too many crashes to get where we are, knowing that each time a wave à seasoned pilots leaves an airline, it is almost back to square one. Fuel management has always been my priority over on time when things started to get dicey and more than once did I chose either to divert or land on route to refuel. 30 minutes extra fuel was in fact 15 minutes. No way I was ever going down to the diversion minimum. Only once did I hear from a pax complaint, having had to land on route……..according to him, I had forgotten to fuel the aircraft prior to leaving. Although airlines do not officially put pressure on crews when it comes to fuel or on time arrival, pressure is all around……newspapers, on time records, and I often had to supersede F/0 ‘s who would happily have left with the minimum legal fuel.

[@cindysavage265]

As I tell my kids, commercial aviation is safe today because of the era of 2-3 crashes a year. RIP to all killed. Cockpit Resource Management came out of this and other accidents like it. And, as an aside, the only pause I have flying (and I make 2 round trips from DEN to IAH a month) is that I have to go during the daytime! No more “red eyes” for me

[@chadbasey2844]

Ok again you have it so dark you can’t see the plane. Can you please lighten up night time flights so you can actually see the plane please. Thank you

[@deepthinker999]

I shut down all of my lights. Allec does seem to do a lot of nighttime flights which are more error prone by definition.

[@gustavovega9921]

Eastern Airlines 401 L-1011 bound for Mia also pilot error. When they applied the handle to extend the landing gear, the bulb was out. Unfortunately, the all got involve in trying to fix the problem and they lost the plane

[@ranchopatriot]

How do you miss by 7 miles?

[@alanmiller9681]

I’ve always thought of these stretch DC8s as flying box cars. They just felt too big, unwieldy and underpowered. World Airways used these aircraft to fly troops to Asia often via Anchorage. On one packed aircraft, I swear we used every inch of the Anchorage runway to get off the runway and then lumbered slowly into the sky.

[@tueregomez2851]

Just read the caption in full ..6 nautical miles west of Los Angeles is considered "international water"??

[@bullseyes1983]

This flight was messy all along. So many poor decisions, specially not asking for another approach, one that you had charts for!!! Delays and the landing light malfunction piled up and the final result is not surprising.

[@bobwilson758]

Things are not easy up there - even in modern times . Stuff can get very complicated/ confusing .

[@jamyla]

What an example of relatively minor issues not being dealt with and compounding into disaster. Firstly, the pilots were not prepared for a LAX over-water night approach, for which they didn't have the correct charts/plates and were not authorized to perform. They should have advised the Controller immediately that the ILS Back-Door for 07R was a no-go. Instead they began a fatal game of deception with ATC. The pilots were distracted by the nose-gear light not illuminating and concerns over fuel. All the while, they had not stabilized on the VOR approach to 07R they believed they were making but had not made clear to ATC. For many years LAX had a "black mark" rating for night over-water approaches due to winds/noise-abatement. This due to a black-hole like set-up with few visual references until the Airport was in sight, with visibility delayed due to Bluffs on the west end between the Ocean and the Runway threshholds. This video gave a good accounting of how minor events can snowball when not dealt with correctly. Its fortunate anyone survived this crash as it seems there was no warning given to the Cabin Crew.

[@frostyfrost4094]

LN-MOO was the tail code for this Aircraft

[@dodoubleg2356]

Maybe just a tad slower on the captions. Just want a minute to process what I'm reading before the next one comes up. Thanks. 😉✌️✈️

[@peggyl2849]

Trying to conceal your actual approach from the controller seems to never be a good idea......

[@Greggg57]

I'm 75 years old but have only around 13,000 hours of flight time, with around 980 hours of instrument time and many approaches, but I could not follow what was going on in this video. Weather is beautiful at LAX.....WTH?

[@aliefabdurrahman3302]

The Captain believe the fuel gauge Is Malfunction and the plane Is still have a small amount of fuel. So the Captain ask the first officer to restart the engine after the engine flame out.

[@adammcdonald798]

That was a different DC 8 crash. United in Portland.

[@darwincity]

This is a crash that hits quite close. My former boss lost his father in the crash. He talked about it some times.

[@mordecaithedespicablemefan2011]

Pls Do Sriwijaya Flight 182

[@cmalberts]

Just out of interest, when did the cabotage rules come into force? I don't think a non-US carrier would be allowed to fly a purely domestic leg (SEA-LAX) today, even if the flight originated overseas.

[@haiti222]

They can often fly it, but are not allowed to take on new passengers originating in Seattle. I believe in some circumstances they could take on passengers that came into Seattle from another country and are continuing their journey. It think this has been called a scissors hub. Air New Zealand may have done this in Los Angeles for a time.

[@dodoubleg2356]

I thought the captions said "SAS pilots weren't authorized to perform back door approaches??"

[@billyponsonby]

Astonishing, reckless incompetence

[@naughtiusmaximus830]

You think they would have a secondary indicator system for gear down. Just fussing with it has caused at least two other crashes I can think of.

[@stockcars8573]

I got a question, i thought MFS updates they're game? Like MFS 2004 becomes to MFS 2006. yeah somehting like that, or, do they make new games MFS games?

[@FH99]

The humans failed here.

[@watershed44]

@FH99 They did, one thing I'll never understand is when you have ANY doubts about landing for any reason you "GO AROUND"....I can't imagine ever losing track of my altitude and position in the air, at any time, and I am not a pilot.

[@SWToDi-qc8hb]

Did the pilots went to jail?!

[@philiphorner31]

I have never heard of a heavy running out of fuel ...especially when the crew was uninformed of fuel status.

[@mikek8377]

Crazy to me that its night time, very busy airport and stacking planes and then you tell the pilot to drop to your slowest speed possible as there coming in to land and why would they be doing that?? Oh i know, with everything going on and the pilots plate being so full, lets just put a Cessna 177 in front of them in the landing sequence and make sure you slow way down to your slowest possible landing speed so the Cessna 177 can have there landing time as well. My thought there would be, the bigger planes have all the priority for landing? This is a busy airport. Seems odd with all thats going on, that in the mix would a Cessna 177 landing as well, which is impacting the other larger planes. Really there is no smaller airport for that plane to land at??? With all the other airports around, there is no logic as to why that size plane would be landing there, at an appropriate size airport for planes that size is where they need to land, just my thoughts!!!

[@desdicadoric]

6:29 a Cessna, you know that’s going to be a disaster, it’s going to fly in front of plane isn’t it…

[@bjmobilegames00354]

Rip

[@grahamstevenson1740]

Sorry but this was poorly explained IMHO with the crash happening for no obvious reason that I could determine ! Was it fuel exhaustion ?

[@kendallevans4079]

I've lived in the LA area my whole 66 years and never heard the term Santa Monica Bay? It's a coast line, there really isn't a "bay"

[@Torontotootwo]

I'm not buying blaming the accident on the delays' affecting the pilots'' thinking. The blame is on the pilots' incompetence. More like Punsch than delays.

[@slidefirst694]

I hate being stacked up due to traffic.

[@williammeszaros3382]

Reminds me of a girl I used to date....

[@watershed44]

@@williammeszaros3382 Bahahaaaa.. nasty.

[@jacquesuntel5401]

Reminscent of EA 301

[@jacquesuntel5401]

ooops... EA 401

[@peribe438]

Crew error 100%

[@arturo468]

.. a lot like the Dan Air 1008 accident.

[@DonaldParappa]

thats a failed ditching attempt .

[@naughtiusmaximus830]

Back when SAS probably didn’t suck.

[@CarlosQuesadaR]

Wow I wasn't born yet

[@JB-rt4mx]

Of course they crashed, the pilots were invisable in the cockpit

[@bobwilson758]

Now days , pilots have all this “Bingo” fuel bullshet to deal with also .

[@schaerffenberg]

To be killed in an airline accident may be rare, but still not a good way to die.

[@deepthinker999]

Not always. Death often comes quickly as opposed to the consequences of having a stroke or fighting cancer.

[@thetruthnothingelse5033]

Terrain