Second Crash In A Row | Allegheny Airlines Flight 737

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Allegheny Airlines Flight 737 was a Convair CV-580 (aircraft registration N5825), that crashed while attempting to land at Bradford Regional Airport in Bradford, Pennsylvania on January 6, 1969. Eleven of the 28 occupants on board were killed.
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[@cygerwoods1]

Wow !! I am the only living survivor of that crash in 1969. I was 6 years old, and survived because I was crushed in between two seats. This is my 55th anniversary, and I am 62 yrs old now. I was shocked to see this video directly linked to a Google search I made. Thank you for making this video and never being forgotten.🙏😇

[@timothybean6384]

I believe there are additional living survivors. I just listened to 2 speak at a dedication ceremony at the University of Pitt @ Bradford. They were Pitt Students at the time of the crash, so now probably 70.

[@cygerwoods1]

@@timothybean6384 very good to know ! Thank you for the insight.

[@Sandsculptor]

Speaking of Allegheny Airlines, in August of 1969, I came home from the Vietnam War, and my flight into Harrisburg Airport was on a DC-9 flown by Allegheny Airlines from Chicago to Harrisburg. When I got on the plane in Chicago the pilot stopped me and talked to me about the Vietnam War. I told him that I was a Tech Supply Sergeant with a Huey unit at the Nha Trang Air Base next to the South China Sea. He was a veteran of the Korean War. I felt good after our 2 minute discussion. There was one other veteran on board returning to his home in Harrisburg, just as I was. The flight from Chicago to Harrisburg was uneventful, and just before we taxied up to the Airport Terminal, the pilot got on "the horn" and announced that we had two men on board returning from the Vietnam War. After a quick round of applause the pilot asked that the passengers remain sitting to give me and the other veteran the opportunity to get off the jet first. He and I quickly grabbed our bags and hustled off the DC-9. At the bottom of the aircraft air-stairs was the pilot. And he had a big smile on his face and he was the first person to thank me for my military service during the Vietnam War. It was such a fate of luck that my coming home experience was so pleasant, compared to some veterans who had to deal with airport hippies and disrespectful adults along their way home from the Vietnam War. We didn't start the Vietnam War, we answered the call to duty, just like our mothers and fathers did during WW2 and the Korean War...

[@Ajay-hw3gm]

Thank you for your service!

[@donnafromnyc]

Thank you, sir. And the captain was a true gentleman.

[@June-rb1nx]

Thank you for your service!!!

[@xtremepowersports4329]

Thank you for your service!

[@scootermom1791]

That's a very rare and wonderful story! I wasn't born until 1970 and obviously didn't know anything about the Vietnam war until taking the mandatory history classes in school. Unfortunately, until the last 10 years or so, I thought history was the most boring subject on earth. Subsequently, I only paid enough intention in those classes to memorize the content required for tests then forgot about it quickly afterwards. BUT, even though I really had no clue what happened before and during the Vietnam war, I did remember learning about the terrible treatment of soldiers afterwards. I couldn't understand why in the world people would treat our very own soldiers - heroes! - so badly. I'd learned about the draft and that people were literally being forced to go to war whether they wanted to or not (at least that was my understanding). So why be angry with them? Why treat them so meanly? It wasn't their fault! It's really nice to hear stories like this. That's the way all honorable soldiers should be treated when they return from service. And by "honorable", I mean ones who didn't committ any war crimes like some of the atrocities I have heard about. I echo what the other commenters said: Thank you for your service!

[@gregoryknox4444]

mY 2CENTS, I'm a retired (30 yrs) American Airlines (formerly USAireways) CAPT AB321 .... In order to reduce reading errors the flying pilot would brief the entire approach, missed approach, and the plans if a missed approach is needed. This is done during the cruise portion where the workload is minimal. I really believe the transfer from "steam-driven gauges" to the "GLASS COCKPIT' has done a lot for safety. I say that from my flight time in the MD80, 737, Metroliner, and other cockpits that didn't have "Glass" pictorial presentations. Those with GLASS I've flown are CRJ200, 757, 767, EMB190, and the Airbus 319-320-321. I'm glad I had a safe career with only 1 emergency, but that's another story. Good job on this video.

[@harrytaylor4211]

Hi Gregory

[@325xitgrocgetter]

Back in the mid to late 80s, I was working for a company with one of the directors who flew quite a bit for business. As we were preparing for our trip, I asked what airline we were flying It was one of the majors and he quipped "I used to fly Allegheny, nothing much phases me." I didn't know the context of that comment until now.

[@evangelstrategies]

Although I'm not a pilot, nor play one on TV, I find these videos so breathtaking even though in the majority of the cases they're incredibly sad stories of both the human and mechanical swiss cheese of errors in play. Thank you for teaching a non-pilot about the beauty but limits of even the best technology and human skills. I learn something new everyday about the amazing men and women who fly us around the world (and I've been to almost 40 of those countries around the world). I'm always thankful for their skills, talents, and passions.

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

I feel like that whole thank you bit was just a setup for the travel flex. 🤔...

[@scootermom1791]

Are you a doctor, then? Or do you play one on TV? Lol couldn't help but laugh at your comment. I've been known to quote that ad a few times, myself. 🙂😆😂

[@evangelstrategies]

@@scootermom1791 That way funny! No, I'm not a doctor nor play one on TV. Actually, I've never been anything on TV. But I do love these videos!

[@scootermom1791]

@@evangelstrategies Neither have I... just a Mayday and air crash investigation "junkie". Lol

[@donnafromnyc]

Another well done re-creation, one that demonstrates how far we have come in safety in cockpits and airports. Thanks, Allec.

[@Sandsculptor]

I live in Harrisburg, PA and I used to fly with Allegheny Airlines (and later US Air) all the time. When we fly south or east the flights were usually smooth. But when we flew to Pittsburgh and/or Chicago, the air was bumpy because of the Appalachian Mountains with their rows of mountain ridges. Planes crashed all over the USA. And after I was in the Vietnam War and survived 3 Huey "mishaps" I felt safe flying with an American airliner that was regulated by the US government.

[@paulhendershott667]

Back in the day in the late 1970's, Allegheny Airline flights were crashing all the time in PA and surrounding states and had become the most dangerous airline in the country with a terrible reputation. They were just beginning a new "expansion campaign" after deregulation of the airlines to add dozens of new regional routes to their airline, but were trying to find a way to improve their image. They ran a Poll where they listed all the major and regional airlines and asked people to rate their perception of each airline on several different metrics. The threw a Fake Airline name into the poll to eliminate erroneous responses, but were flabbergasted to find that almost ALL the poll subjects rated the fake nonexistent airline ahead of Allegheny Airlines in almost every question. Then Allegheny Airlines did something next level, and changed their name to the name of their Nonexistent airline from the poll. The name of this airline was US AIR and went on to become one the most successful airlines over the following 20 years. Too funny!

[@trent3872]

That's a very interesting story. To quote Ed McMahon " I did not know that".

[@thecw301]

As a kid I used to fly between Pittsburgh and Clarksburg, WV on Allegheny. I'm sure glad I was ignorant then of the airlines' bad reputation! 🙃

[@lisarehagen4201]

I was thinking Paul Harvey. Now we know the rest of the story 😊 Thanks for that history. My parents were both Allegheny employees back in the 70's at IND.

[@phishbill]

If "in the late 1970s..crashing all the time in PA.." means an accident caused by windshear at PHL that everyone survived and another accident with one injury and no fatalities at Rochester, NY, i could see your point but...? And could you please cite some sources for your name change story no one else seems to have heard?

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Useless air may have been successful. Never became good.

[@jamesmelcher9355]

Very well done, as usual. I find these older accidents very interesting. So much has been learned since then.

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

The only time in my life that I ever used an airsickness bag on a flight, was in the late 1960s or early 1970s on an Allegheny Airlines flight aboard a CV-440 or a CV-580 turboprop. I think I was eight to ten years old. Those bags actually work well. Very effective and clean.

[@scootermom1791]

The bags probably worked better than the airline at the time! 😨

[@velissalalvl100pally8]

My dad started in '67 with Lake Central which was merged into Allegheny Airlines, then became US Air, then US Airways before he retired. He lost a close friend on one of those Convair crashes. If i remember right he was also an Allegheny pilot flying non rev. Someone mentioned the switch to Bac 111s, I remember my dad flew those and used to joke it was the SST of the fleet - sub sonic trash. lol. My favorite though as a kid was their take on TWA - Travel with Allegheny.

[@scootermom1791]

"Travel With Allegheny" lol 🙂😆😉

[@georgeconway4360]

I believe Allegheny never operated the BAC1-11 s until they merged with Mohawk Airlines in 1972.

[@rikal.830]

The BAC-1-11 was only flown by American Airlines

[@SMElder-iy6fl]

I worked for TW. We called it Travel with Angels.

[@salvatoreiaquinto9875]

I had a flight on Allegheny Airlines back around 1990s. They had recently had a crash everyone on board and killed. My flight was on one of them twin engine turbo props out of West Virginia to Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. I was so nervous I was hyperventilating asked the stewardess for a triple vodka before we took her off. She was so kind she talked to me for a little bit and gave me drink. I was sitting in the back of the airplane by myself figured that was the safest place in case of a crash. The stewardess sat down next to me and talked two me again and I finally calmed down. Outside of that the flight was an eventful thank God. No problem with the flight from Pittsburgh back to the Bay Area never any problem on planes just that Allegheny Airlines scared the heck out of me. But to this day I still remember that stewardess.

[@scootermom1791]

I would have been terrified to fly with that airline as well!

[@michaelvaughn2091]

Allegheny ceased to exist in 1979.

[@harrytaylor4211]

Changed name toUSAIR@@michaelvaughn2091

[@harrytaylor4211]

That was a commuter not mainline

[@billolsen4360]

Flew a lot of CV580s when working in Colorado & Wyoming on Frontier Airlines. There were tough & reliable since we had to fly in all kinds of high plains and mountain weather.

[@robertv2787]

GM owned several 580's and ran a shuttle service (GMATS) between Detroit, Dayton, Buffalo, etc. I flew on them a few times in the late 80's & early 90's. Those 580's were sturdy and solid airplanes.

[@SMElder-iy6fl]

I was a FL stew and loved the 580s! Later chief stewardess for Aspen Airways flying on DC3s, later CV 440s. I loved the old prop jobs.

[@MightyMezzo]

I’ll be damned if I know why I’m watching this while waiting to board in Oakland. Good video. I find the accounts of decades-old incidents fascinating.

[@raymondhetes9783]

My brother Tom was on this flight and before they were on the landing course he and friend John changed seats to the back Infront of the stewardess,,Margorie Hatfield DCA based fly Att.,so they cud smoke,they were teenagers,then she gave her landing announcement on PA system and as she was trying to walk back to her aft jump seat the plane was bouncing,,clipping tree tops and she was just about to sit and strap herself in and was thrown thru the break of the fusalage and her one ear was torn off,as he and his friend were helping her ,in shock pull people out of the other part of this inverted broken Convair 580.

[@Vet-7174]

I used to fly them from Norfolk to Philly ,to Boston every weekend in 72 , never a problem.( on a 727 )

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[@beerybill]

Way back in the day Allegheny was known as "Agony Airlines." I had but one Allegheny flight, a DC3 from Philly to Pittsburgh with several stops in between. A storm negated the Altoona/Johnstown stop. What an experience. Fortunately I hadn't eaten anything prior to the flight.

[@scootermom1791]

Completely appropriate name!

[@g.stephens263]

I used to fly Allegheny from Detroit to Myrtle Beach. The flight made two stops, one in Dayton, another in Charlotte, and then usually had to circle MB while the military (ANG) practiced touch and goes. Every time we landed, I looked to see if any milk cans were being loaded.

[@MrDon0245]

I flew that route many times when I was training at the State Dept. DCA to BFD and return, went home for the weekends. Great flights.Landed in MDT one time and we didn't even know we were on the ground, the landing was so damned smooth. Miss those 580's!

[@MorganBrown]

Well, I guess GPWS hadn’t been invented in 1969. As today is US Thanksgiving, I will say that I’m thankful airlines have gotten so much safer

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

GPS would have to wait to be invented.

[@julosx]

The earliest GPWS became mandatory on large airliners as far back as 1974. In 2000 they were mandatory as well for 6 seats aircrafts too. I guess they existed virtually only 5 years before.

[@georgeconway4360]

The first GPWS I saw on an airliner was February 1975 on a DC8-61 with a group of pilots just recalled after a five year furlough. We had a couple of days of ground school and two sim sessions in the DC8 simulator Flight Safety had at LGA. We were doing a PT pilot training flight out of JFK to ACY which was the normal airline training airport. One of the recalled pilots Joe only reported back to work the previous day or so. He had not had the ground school or the simulator and had been working for the previous three plus years in a non aviation job nor flown during that period. Joe was not too happy about being told they thought he should get his landing out of the way first. They just didn’t want to have to operate a second PT for money reasons. As we boarded the airplane the Chief Pilot said to Joe “Joe, I know you would like to observe but I would like you to fly first to get a bit of time before the landings.” We take off and head down to ACY. After we contact ACY approach the Chief Pilot tells ATC we cancel IFR and going to do some work off the coast. A short time later we are 1-200’ above the ocean testing the various Modes of this new GPWS. Not long after that we hear some light airplane calling ATC about a big airplane ditching. After the GPWS experience we went to ACY and did our 3&3 and we all got signed off, except for Joe. He did fine after ground school, simulator, and then the landings. All the recalled pilots were still on Probation.

[@jimwearn]

I've been in a Convair 580 cockpit during that time frame, don't recall the DME readout being digital, as you show it. I doubt anything on that plane was digital.

[@DiskWizard001]

Extremely sad but Thank You !!!

[@jeremypearson6852]

Seemingly more questions than answers on this accident. I wonder if any other airlines had issues flying into the airport? I worked for several carriers in the UK/US in the late 70’s and early 80’s, including Eastern Airlines and it’s sad that so many of the regional airlines are gone. I think of Allegheny, Piedmont, Republic, Midwest Express and the list goes on. It’s not the same industry now.

[@DeltaFoxtrotWhiskey3]

Given how often the pilots are assigned the blame for many crashes, I'm surprised they weren't cited for not following ATC instructions when they failed to contact the approach controller after they were on the ground as they were told to do around 2:22

[@Patco11]

Good one sir/madam

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

Air planes improve with time and technology. Pilots don't. Humans make the same mistakes. Eventually planes will fly fully autonomous.

[@scaramonga]

@@michaelmccarthy4615 Not in my lifetime they wont, and I suspect most wouldn't be willing to fly fully autonomous on any aircraft. The very thought.

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

No human will perform a job better suited for a machine....

[@scaramonga]

@@michaelmccarthy4615 No machine will ever perform as good as a human...

[@carlossanchez124]

Thank You Allec!👍

[@petuniaskunk2316]

Happy Thanksgiving

[@Searat7]

I remember when they switched to jets they used BAC-111’s which often had problems so schedules were frequently not met. This is one of reasons they were called Agony Air.

[@NeedtoSpeak]

This is true…..the BAC’s cause many a system delay. The DC 9s were better.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

GREAT Work yet again Alec. Happy Thanksgiving !

[@lindalaw8368]

Flying Allegheny into Charleston, WVa was one of the scariest flights I’ve ever been on. Truly breath taking! I mean you would have no air left! Yikes!

[@em1osmurf]

jeesus gawd how many times have i rode this route into bradford during this time frame...this is frightening. i saw a VW size hole ripped in a wing by a blown tire on landing, but didn't realize AA was trying to kill me over time...

[@dfuher968]

Could be worse. Over here in Europe, on the rare occasion we Westeners had no other option back in the Soviet days, ppl had to fly Aeroflot on certain routes. Aeroflot was for many years the worst airline in the world with a safety record so horrendous, that ppl rutinely made sure, they had life insurance, if they had to fly Aeroflot. The stories, Ive heard from ppl experiencing it, about erratic flying, numerous close calls and flying in horrible, rundown aircraft basically held together by shoestring.... Aeroflot is no longer the worst in the world, tho they may now seize to exist for other reasons. But they are nowhere near the best either. And for those of us old enough to remember, the name alone still sends a chill down the spine.

[@julosx]

@@dfuher968 Their aircrafts were badly designed, which didn't help, I'm thinking about the Tu-154 and the Il-62 which were prone to blow up their engines in flight, like the frighteningly famous LOT 5055 flight back in '87. There used to be a video on YT of this crash, it was shot by neighbours of the forest where the Il-62M landed on its belly. They came with VHS video cams and could film the smoking debris. On one segment you could see the severed forearm and hand of a woman in the grass, and a shot of the smouldering cabin remains there was a man, still strapped in his seat, but incinerated from top to bottom by jet fuel, he was entirely black with only his teeth shining in the morning sun. It looks like they arrived before the rescuers who concluded there was no-one left to save. This video has been removed from YT a few years ago.

[@bullwinklejmoos]

@@dfuher968 I’m a state department brat. Dad was based mostly in Eastern European capitals. State dept forbade us to fly on any of the Eastern European airlines. This is back in the 60s and 70s.

[@paulkile9998]

Great video as always. One small point, given the airplane was a turboprop 580, you should have used jet sounds instead of pistons.

[@weikcpa]

You should correct your engine sound effect, the CV-580 was a propjet sounding like a Lockheed Electra, the sound effect you are using is a piston engine.....you video,s are always well done.

[@josephliptak]

The unfortunate reality is that this plane crash and all the ones before and after that crashed and killed people were nothing but stepping stones for you to fly safely today. There was no other way to make flying safe today other than to sacrifice others' lives to get to this point.

[@superjody56]

When I was in the US Air Force during the Vietnam era, I flew on one these planes. I remember going on leave and I was sitting in the waiting area waiting on my plane to arrive. I saw this green and white 737 land and roll up to the terminal. It was filthy with oil streaks down the fuselage and wings. I commented to a person next to me that I wouldn't want to fly on that plane. That's right, it was my flight. When I got onboard, I was shocked by the trash on the floor and the torn upholstery on the seats. I was so thankful when we landed at DFW and I could get off that deathtrap. That was the worst airline I have ever flown on.

[@ellischernoff8603]

You have all of these piston engine sounds. The airplane was a CV-580: An Allison turboprop.

[@victorrodriguez2435]

Alec, please consider put a clearer format to images in night time? Can’t see most of the detalils of simulation.

[@JMcdon1627]

The props on this aircraft at "13:01" appear identical to the ones on The Lockheed L-188. There is a diagonal line where the density of the color of the prop surface changes. What is this, please? My guess and nothing more is that the surface nearest the hub is heated. Could this be? Thank you. Excellent video presentation. There are different aircraft shown with various engines and props.

[@stuartlee6622]

The same engine on the Electra

[@waffle911]

And thus Allegheny adopted modern VFR minimums.

[@ScrewFlanders]

Scenes "showing" the plane from the outside are completely blacked out, at least on my monitor. There are absolutely _no_ features visible. This is pretty much the norm for night-time videos on this channel. While I love this channel for its content and thoroughness, I'm always disappointed when a new video comes out and I see that it takes place at night, because I know I'll just be watching several minutes of a blank screen.

[@thomfye5081]

I'm confused. They are initially cleared for a VOR approach to rwy 32, but the pilots request an ILS approach to rwy 14(at 3.04). FSS gets approval from Erie ATC, but then the pilots report procedure turn inbound. So, what approach were they conducting??

[@trent3872]

So to all the flight experts, would this be considered a controlled flight into terrain?

[@julosx]

Yes, as a CIFIT this is very typical. There was a lot of altimeter misreadings in the 50s and 60s since aircrafts of the day had a bunch of difficult to read altimeters, it"s not like today's. Sometimes they had three or four altimeters indicating different levels pilots had to compute in their mind to just understand what they were displaying.

[@karenlong5622]

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[@gabe-po9yi]

Seeing a number of negative comments about Allegheny Airlines, I’m not really understanding what the problem was. Was it the type of planes they flew, poor maintenance, unskilled pilots, the routes that they flew were turbulent weather areas? I don’t see how getting sick on their flights could be due much to anything besides wind turbulence, unless the pilots didn’t know how to negotiate it very well.

[@gosmo4504]

Alec you never cease to amaze. I grew up in Erie, often traveled to Bradford for work and never knew of this one. Fantastic work as always. Glad when I started flying Allegheny was no more.

[@SSN515]

So did any of the survivors call Erie Approach and tell them they were on the ground, as requested by Erie?

[@matthewgauthier7251]

Thank you!

[@ricksmail777]

What I'm about to say I have never heard confirmed so I have no substantiation. When this happened I was in Army flight school and was home for Christmas. I grew up in Pittsburgh so the accident happened relatively close to home increasing my interest level. After finishing my training later in the year I came home for a leave before departing for Vietnam and went flying with a friend who flew Convairs. Our conversation turned to both accidents and my friend told me that if for some reason the static source was moved from normal to alternate it would have a large effect on the altimeters. Several years later I had a good friend who lived at Scott AFB but worked at the Pentagon. Every week he would get on a T-29 (military C-240) to shuttle back and forth. One Friday night he said they were on approach to Scott and from his seat in the cabin he noticed the lights come on followed by a maximum power increase. At the same time the pitch changed and the airplane flew through trees for a mile before clearing and landing. Now I don't know if any of this is more than coincidence but I have always felt that the pitot/static system of the Convairs were questionable. Anybody ever hear of similar stories relating to the Convairs?

[@harrytaylor4211]

Both aircraft where washed in dc, later it was found water was introduced in static system which froze giving wrong altitude, I flew both aircraft as pic the night before into DC. An AD was enacted to put drains on system. I knew all the pilots which where every careful and skillful airman. All approaches where black meaning flown over areas with no lights of any type, houses etc. .

[@muffs55mercury61]

Turboprop and bigger version of the 1940-50s Convair 240/340 and longer range. There used to be a survivor interview on here that I saw ages ago, don't know if it's still on here.

[@melissaleoncreolenola]

Alex.... do the other stimulator on the other flight that happened two weeks before this crash

[@lohrtom]

Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?

[@tony.bickert]

The NTSB should have also recommended CVRs that were not so crappy so the cause of the crash could be more easily determined - and this video would not have had to be so darn long.

[@ecclestonsangel]

I remember Allegheny Aurlines. We used to call it Agony Airlines, because they were never on time, not to mention they had a serious lost luggage issue. American has that title now.

[@scootermom1791]

Not to mention 3 crashes in less than a year (referring to flights 736, 737, and 853).

[@ecclestonsangel]

@@scootermom1791 yup! My grandmother used to fly down to Virginia to visit uson Agony Airlines

[@scootermom1791]

@@ecclestonsangel Thank goodness she arrived alive!

[@ecclestonsangel]

@@scootermom1791 yeah, no kidding! I never flew Allegheny, but have flown AA and will never do it again! They suck!

[@scootermom1791]

@@ecclestonsangel TWA was a nightmare when my daughter was an infant. I swore I'd never fly with them again, and I haven't. But, to be fair, I haven't flown anywhere since the week before the 9-11 attacks - not out of fear or anything. I just haven't had enough money to travel by air since then.

[@lawrencekellerii4857]

Not sure what you mean by saying second crash in a row , these were back to back crashes within what time frame ??

[@AllecJoshuaIbay]

Two weeks for Allegheny. Same type of aircraft, same airport, both CFIT.

[@gunsaway1]

They were called Agony Airlines

[@captainbuck5969]

I’m confused. First it says they want to change to an ILS then it says the change is a VOR.

[@bhupindrasinghkhiva4565]

Please made video on nowhere land taca airlines flight 110 and no clear options manx2 flight 7100

[@fbrieden]

Agony Airlines....Busses with clouds painted on the windows (R. Dangerfield)

[@frostyfrost4094]

Are you sure that the Convair was only one year old in 1969? Or is it me

[@jimrapp6955]

I think they may be talking about the conversion from being a radial engine to a turboprop.

[@jfchonors8873]

Allegheny then went on to acquire Mohawk Airlines which also had a track record of accidents

[@verbalswagrawkey1932]

I kinda dig channels that deal with aircraft snafus. However I watch these vids while cooking or cleaning my car or while engaged with a minor task. Therefore I can’t watch yours because I’m not able to read captions. Not to worry though I can watch yours while I’m taking a shit.

[@gregorylenton8200]

Great Show

[@yakacm]

This plane was 1 year old in 1969? They stopped making the Convair CV-580 in 1954.

[@TheObersalzburg]

The 580 was a refit of earlier Convair 440 and other models last built in 1954. The refit to turboprop took place in the 1960's. The one year probably refers to the year of conversion.

[@yakacm]

Turbo prop occurred to me too, but it was the sound of the engines that me look google how old the plane was. The engines definitely sounded like piston engines. Anyway when the age of the aircraft is given, it usually refers to the airframe.

[@fxsrider]

913 views Nov 24, 2022 12 comments in a half hour. I think you reach your audience well.

[@BsUJeTs]

I’m not a pilot but in 1960s didn’t they have radio altimeters already ?

[@harrytaylor4211]

Not in 580

[@claireworley7572]

Do Icelandic airlines flight 01

[@dexm8846]

I think that pilot descend too early to in order see the approach markers and failed to realize the mountains below. A little too anxious to get out of the soup and land.

[@robertstack2144]

Allegheny Airlines use to make many unscheduled stops in the mountains during the 50s and 60s. Then they were forced to stop that practice. They ran out of airplanes.

[@harrytaylor4211]

DUMB

[@martinross5521]

Thank you Allec - very interesting story and shows the value of CVR etc in later years. I don’t know why each and every pilot doesn’t know minimums for their planned route, especially for a late change of arrival runway 😢

[@sbolden123]

So the first officer had more experience than the Captain 🤔

[@NeedtoSpeak]

Not unusual. They are separate ratings, and jobs.

[@williamprice3929]

Where did you get that cockpit from? LMAO

[@Fighter_1nternet]

03:52 i love when they randomly show the plane crashing and the black screen with the crashing sounds

[@cav8000]

Anybody else can't stand the music to these videos? I cringe every time the electric guitars come in.

[@sbolden123]

Were there no bells and whistles to alert the pilots of imminent danger? Terrain! Pull up! 🤷‍♂️

[@julosx]

Not yet. the GPWS was installed on the biggest aircrafts only in 1974, the regional ones had to wait another few years.

[@rixxroxxk1620]

If I heard an airplane flying overhead that sounded like the vid, I would be expecting that thing to crash.

[@dfuher968]

I live not far from a NATO Airbase/regional airport (the civilian airport is located just outside the base perimeter, but they use the military runways - after a long taxi!). When the wind is in a certain direction, they fly in for landing over my little town. Like final approach. Luckily the wind is rarely in that direction, coz it ALWAYS sounds like, theyre gonna crash, and I can look up, and theyre so close, I feel, I can reach out and touch them. Extra fun ofc, when the AWACS is flying!

[@sbolden123]

Also, there seemed to be a lot of stops- legs on the flight which could have led to pilot fatigue

[@raymondhetes9783]

And as Us Scair in the 90,s

[@TheFliteline]

I worked U S Airways in PHX (after the AWA merger).

[@michaellusk2856]

Only ILS approaches should be allowed. If not possible, close the airport and divert all flights to alternate airports. Deal with it.

[@markr.1984]

Ahh, good ole Deathegheny airlines....

[@sbolden123]

Bradford airport was cursed 😏🤦‍♂️👎

[@ellischernoff8603]

In 1969, a CV-580 would not be one year old.

[@tim9s]

Please, get rid of the loud music.

[@briansteffmagnussen9078]

This plane was really pleasing to the eye, Back then planes did still have character and quirks. Today planes are just like condoms with wings. Which is good in the way that they have reached their optimal design, and you do not have to accept that you crash for flying in quirky and characterful planes

[@alberta1st]

Always was super nervous landing in clouds...like the deadly silt

[@Houndini]

FAA to myself on this 2nd accident specially at the same airport in like a week are bouncing from cause to cause leaving a wide way out for themselves. I wonder if because the owners of Allegheny happen to be some of The Dupont family 1 of richest family in the world, Would have any thing to do with there decision making? I often wonder?

[@anandguruji83]

Second Crash In A Row | Allegheny Airlines Flight 737

[@anandguruji83]

Second Crash In A Row | Allegheny Airlines Flight 737

[@donnabaardsen5372]

@@anandguruji83 Why on earth are you repeating the video title, and twice?

[@piotrstrzyzowski3336]

Dude, we know how this episode is named, it's up there in large font. Are you showing off you can do copy-paste or what?...

[@TheRedPanda.]

I say we mute him

[@piotrstrzyzowski3336]

@@TheRedPanda. a good idea. He's doing it under every Allec film. I have no idea why.

[@michaelwallbrown3726]

CV-580'S were turboprop's

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

And nobody noticed the altimeter reading spiraling to zero?

[@cruzcontrol1504]

third at the gate !!!

[@Capecodham]

1. Dark 2. 53 years old. 3. Crews names of no use.

[@jakerson181]

You're an expert on being of no use.

[@Capecodham]

@@jakerson181 Keyboard warrior, so brave as you cower behind your keyboard.

[@alo1692]

Boooring!

[@ricksmail777]

I forgot to add this information when commenting yesterday. There was one individual who survived both crashes (736 & 737) at Bradford. This is from The Bradford Era newspaper in an article published July 7, 2009 about a reunion of crash victims from Flt 736. I've lifted the following from that article: "One gentleman mentioned by survivors and rescue personnel alike managed to escape both crashes. According to Roy Compton, who was among the rescue personnel from Kane, the gentleman's foot was hanging out of the plane, and Compton continued to wiggle his foot to let him know it would be OK, even though the man wasn't able to speak. A week later, Compton was on-scene at Pine Acres Country Club for the crash of Flight 737 and felt a tap on his shoulder. He didn't recognize the man, as he had only seen his feet during the first rescue. However, he identified himself and informed Compton that he had survived both crashes relatively unharmed." www.bradfordera.com/news/allegheny-airlines-flight-736-crash-survivors-reunite/article_77b26e64-fc76-528a-9f4f-dcec3de47715.html

[@guccidan2026]

Yaaay! Another comfy cozy fatal crash for me to watch and enjoy :)

[@hounddog946]

My son’s girlfriend’s mother’s ex-husband’s mother’s neighbor’s landscaper’s brother’s friend’s girlfriend’s cousin’s best friend’s niece took that same flight two days earlier.

[@Capecodham]

Better than the video and other comments.

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

Same-sies. 👊

[@loislane4583]

Sure was a beautiful aircraft though!

[@joelt4416]

this video is too dark

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

That's racist.