Alliance Valor vs. Grand Design Momentum

We wanted to share our experience walking through Alliance Valor at the Tampa Fl. 2021 RV Show. We hope to share some new features that we found to be very helpful if you are looking to find information between the two rigs. #AllianceValor has really included small details that do make a big difference. Please leave comments on what you may like or dislike about the two different setups. When selecting a #toyhauler there are many things to consider so looking for the little details like upgraded solar make a huge difference.

[@gregmcnair9444]

Thank you for this! This morning we canceled the order for our seismic 4113 and purchased the 42v 13 Alliance. All the things you guys just talked about were part of our discussion this morning before we even saw this video. We just feel even better now after seeing this!

[@byoder0420]

How has your Alliance been?

[@gregmcnair9444]

@@byoder0420 Brian we love Alliance. We had some issues with the Valor, and realized a standard 5th wheel fit our needs better, so now we own a Paradigm 390 (also from Alliance). They're an amazing company, and this has been a phenomenal rv.

[@Lisa-qu5rv]

@@gregmcnair9444 we just ordered a valor . What was some of the issues you had with valor? If you don’t mind me asking!

[@gregmcnair9444]

@@Lisa-qu5rv the list was pretty long. At the end of the day we really needed a garage less than we needed the interior living space finished out as a home not a converted garage

[@nightmarewolf658]

I've been a subscriber pretty much from your "Switch it Up" beginning. I love your channel and all the adventures you share with us!! I somehow hadn't seen or had forgotten this video with all the research we've been doing. We are leaning toward the Valor more these days... our major concern in the beginning was, how NEW the Valor line was and we wanted reviews from actual owners and Full-time RVer's. It's been a year and we're coming across them more and more. Even with the problems that some have had, the company stands behind their product and warranty, a true test of their integrity!! Thank you for being you!

[@mistygivens7308]

We really appreciate this video!!!

[@Eddy305C]

One thing I spoke to the Valor guys while at the show was that they should have made the outdoor kitchen out of aluminum/ weather proof. We have the same little fridge on our TT and condensation will make the wood under it sweat. They took it as a great idea and told me they would take it to their design team. All outdoor kitchens on any RV should be weather proof.

[@georgesrisomsak9650]

Nice man! Helping us all brudda! 👊

[@kristiwilson4248]

This was SO helpful! Thanks we haven't bought our new rig yet and were debating between the Momentum and the Valor. This was so very helpful!

[@andycommonsincanada]

Awesome video guys thanks so much for your honesty. Just ordered a brand new Valor 36V11. We were going to get a momentum but came across the Alliance and realize it was better all around for value and quality. Can’t wait until June when we get to see one in the flesh. Yes we haven’t even seen one yet.

[@rhondagrinnell2059]

I love watching you guys. Todd’s since of humor and laughter is so genuine. And Sheila gives some great looks but always goes along with the program (especially the propane fiasco). You have become my favorite you tubers. We just sold our house and will be full time within 6mos. Hopefully we learn from some of your mistakes and I love that you show the mistakes, it is all not some fantasy land we will be entering but a constant set of problems. All still worth it!!!

[@NorthwestSawyer]

Great video, guys! I’ve read a lot from Grand Design owners talking trash about the Valor so it’s nice to see your review. We’re picking up our 40v13 tomorrow. It looks like a few things are new for 2022. Ours has plumbing for the washer and dryer in both the closet up front and the garage. Ours also has 3-320 watt solar panels and three 100ah lithium iron phosphate batteries standard. Again, thanks for the video!

[@philadams9782]

Thanks so much for the comparison. I wish it had been on a Paradigm, but hey, lots of the features compared carry over to other models. And you showed what you had, and compared apples to apples in a wonderful way. I was about to buy a Solitude, but I learned that the same dealership where we will go to look at those (90 miles away), also carries Alliance, so, thanks to you, I will look at both the Solitude and the Paradigm before I decide. But I will have to say that you have me leaning toward the Alliance. Thanks again.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Thanks for taking the time to watch and leave a comment. The people at Grand Design are great people as are the Alliance guys. Good luck on finding which one works best for you & safe travels!

[@bjenks3146]

Thank you for the information you have provided, love the video. This was a great video for us as we are deciding on which hauler is right for us. We have narrowed the field down to the GD Momentum 349M and the Alliance Valor 36v11, both have their pluses and minuses for us as do all. There is no one perfect design or floor plan, for us the Azdel construction is a huge plus on the Valor, but we do not need the half bath, that floor space can be better utilized in our situation and the Momentum 349M solves this issue for us. As you all know, there are so many variables to consider when making such a big decision, do your own research and make the best decision for yourself. Knowledge is power.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Very well said! Thanks for watching and stopping by with a comment. We really appreciate it

[@bfrusso1]

We purchased the 40V13 and are awaiting delivery. You pointed out some great things we didn't even know about the unit. Thanks for the great video

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Glad it was helpful! And thanks for following along - keep us updated on how you like your Alliance Valor - maybe we will meet you out on the road somewhere!

[@jamesglenn520]

How are you enjoying your trailer??🤔

[@bfrusso1]

@@jamesglenn520 it's great but had some issues that need to be addressed. Dealership is terrible at getting us in or making arrangements to fix things that should be easy warranty items.

[@AzPatriot63]

Thanks for the comparison!

[@cookierides]

Thank you, my lady and i are in the market. We have a deposit on a 395MS, but are now highly considering a switch to Alliance. The central vac being gone is great and the W/D in the back option is huge.

[@michael_silverback_henders8156]

Nice video guys... Quick and simple, the best way to compare anything.... Keep up the good work..

[@marthapeters8113]

I enjoyed this video, it opened our eyes to a new comany and our order has been placed and it being built right now. We are a married couple, selling our Alaska house and going full time RV living. Very excited and great video, would love to meet you on our travels.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Glad it was helpful!

[@amariejackson08]

Thank you, Not too many videos on the Valor yet. They really have a lot of upgrades that owners do after the sale Love it.

[@smokingfacepeltoutdoors6636]

Love this! We are about to sell our sticks and bricks to go full time, and THIS Alliance fits almost everything on our must have / wish list! Thanks for sharing!!!

[@twiceisneverenough]

Nice job guys. I was strongly in the GD Momentum court as I enter the final stretch of decision-making, but the Alliance Valor has nudged ahead. The company has a very good pedigree with a number of people they've brought over from Grand Design. Alliance is customer obsessed and it's showing. Keep up the good work. Your channel is gaining Momentum. Sorry, couldn't resist. 👍🇺🇸

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Ha! We saw what you did there!

[@twiceisneverenough]

@@SwitchItUpLife I follow different channels for different reasons. Being on the Switch Crew is a genuine journey of life with some real RV stuff mixed in. Keep on keepin' it real. It's what makes your channel unique. I'm also an old skool biker and have a 23 year old daughter finishing her Masters in Chemistry at UNC. Easy to see you love your daughter Allyson (sp) the same. Good luck to her on the book and be safe and God bless your travels. Oh, with some luck from the USPS, I may be having my tea tomorrow in my SwitchitUp mug. 😊🏞🚌

[@1scooterpilot1]

Glad someone finally added a compressor to a Toy Hauler. It was a no brainer great addition. The Alliance Lion batteries/solar panels should become the standard in the industry, it's a toy hauler not a on-road 5th wheel. For heavier toy haulers the disk brakes and ungraded wheels/axles should be standard. It's a toy hauler so it will end up off road and you'll want water / propane tanks full before you go off road. It would be like building a Jeep Rubicon without locking differentials. Great video

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Thanks for watching and for the great comment

[@saranairn5734]

Love you guys! We are hoping to buy in the next couple of months and this video was so helpful!

[@robertnasser9937]

After our year of research for our RV, it came down to GD and KZ. Our choice, we did not need a toy hauler but loved the patio. We went with the KZ382 MBQ as it gave us much more living space and the patio. Love your videos and honesty, we still look also.

[@joeglaizer5913]

Appreciate your honesty in your comparison of your unit and the Alliance. Class act.

[@brooksrose7881]

Great RV tour! We own our new rig and yet we still go, "RV shopping." We don't want anything else but we still enjoy seeing what's out there and getting ideas.

[@georgesrisomsak9650]

That sound dangerous! Lol! We've been waiting two years for the right one, something does it for me about this one. Gonna spend some $ if you keep watching these! 😂 Pretty excited about this trailer, this really may be the one. I'll remember and remind myself to drive it home and not shop anymore afterwards. 🤣

[@byoder0420]

I also subscribed this us the only video I've watched of your channel but I really appreciate the honesty.

[@thesiteseekers7867]

I love all the little details that you brought up! Great review!!

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Hey Thank you for watching

[@HappyPlaceDiaries]

Very nice. We have friends that just purchased an Alliance 5th Wheel.. it’s beautiful! Thanks for the walk through

[@rvroaddawgs7903]

Absolutely read my mind we are comparing the 2

[@natep.2733]

What are you leaning towards? We are going through the same issue?

[@rvroaddawgs7903]

@@natep.2733 alliance either the 36v11 or 40v13 and we currently own a grand design!

[@natep.2733]

@@rvroaddawgs7903 same! Traded in our Grand Design picking up the 40v13 today

[@TruckingMBA]

Had been 100% sold on GD then saw the Valor and was able to see GD and Alliance side by side. Both companies off great support but build quality and design with Alliance is noticeable.

[@jamesglenn520]

If you digg deep and look past the GD bling and really compare the mechanics and materials the Valor will be on the top of your list 👍👍 We physically walked through every brand of toy hauler on the market and ordered our Valor 40v13. It is a Solid unit and we are very happy with it. Plus the fact that it is superior for Boondocking over anything else on the market. We considered a GD but anything close to the 40v13 was almost 40k more in price with less Off Grid capabilities 😢

[@kpenderle8919]

Great video and review pointing out the differences, thank you for sharing.

[@georgesrisomsak9650]

I've come across a lot of videos on this model, everyone seems to sell me the alliance brand more and more. Our first 5th is definitely going to be this one. We've looked at the voltage, momentum, grand design, attitude, and any and everything else out there. Two years of looking and waiting for the right one. Seems to be lot of happy customers, this layout is amazing. My wife and I think this could really be it. I think it time, I think just before Christmas, were pulling the trigger. Maybe a bit sooner. Thanks for being honest, and giving yet another perspective from your real world view. We plan to use the tineco s12 for vacuum duty. Also a great unit for these, crazy power, and very lightweight. Like a Dyson, same, but different. Pricey, but you get what you pay for. I hope this is the case with this $150k trailer! 😂

[@benryan9466]

It appears Alliance has had a few fingers on the pulse of the buying public. Give the buying public what they are looking for and you become the Mfg leading the way, hope their warranty and service department can match the product. Comparison was well done, evenly balanced. Good luck and safe travels 👍🇺🇸

[@benryan9466]

Oh boy, did someone get their feathers ruffled. I stand by the statements that your comparison was evenly balanced and well done. No shots were taken at Grand Design RV just a comparison of product. Safe travels

[@rodreinhart6041]

Thanks for the vid. you guys! It helps a lot.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Happy to help!

[@AngelaRPierce]

Nice review! I just have to interject: No "junk drawer"! Use a jar! You can put it anywhere you want, and you can see the total contents from every side without digging!

[@byoder0420]

Interesting as soon as I sell my house I will be in the market and was thinking Grand Design all the way. I will have to check these out and compare. Thanks for the video and your honesty.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

We appreciate you watching and subscribing- it really means a lot to us. If we can help you in any way please let us know. If we could do it differently we probably would have went to the RV show in Tampa before making our purchase just to an idea on all the options. We had no idea

[@RCRVadventures]

Thanks for keeping it real! Great comparison review. We actually have a deposit on an Alliance 390mp. Hopefully picking it up in a few weeks. Thanks for sharing!

[@michaelwalker74]

We were looking at the Momentum 397 and the dealer also showed us the Alliance Valor 36v11. My wife and I are very impressed with it. We are waiting to look at the 42v13 and will make our decision then.

[@toddswain7459]

Thanks guys!! You got my sub!! Great job.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Thanks for the sub! Welcome to the Crew!

[@jamiestevenson2101]

After talking with you at the Grand Design booth at the show, we went and toured the 40v13. It really is an amazing toy hauler. Everything the 395ms has except the dinette. And way more storage. Thanks for the video!!

[@SwitchItUpLife]

That's awesome....

[@southerngypsy-pollyburnett3104]

Very informative. Thanks for sharing. Love you guys

[@kimscott9278]

We are literally coming back from a rv sales dealership comparing the 395ms that we are thinking about buying and the alliance Valor. (We are looking into the 42v13). We have to wait to see the Valor until next week. Thanks so much for this video.

[@richardgollar6300]

Wow Alliance has to be putting every other manufacture on edge. I really think my next 5th wheel will be an Alliance especially with the lithium batteries being standard what a upgrade. It really seems Alliance listened to what people wanted and built it.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Yes.. the Lithium Battery set up is really big... they are listening...

[@jamesglenn520]

👍 Our Valor 40v13 has the Solar Plus Package. 960 watts and 300ah of Lithium Batteries 👍

[@bigwill4937]

Thank you! Never heard of them.

[@davidschonhardt4958]

I have been comparing also. After reading the rep. from gdrv, it seems they are playing catch up with Alliance. Even though Alliance is new the owners are not new at rv manufacturer. They have the best type of toy tye downs, 12 volt systems, no carpeting, and quiet AC system. I met a couple in Casa Grande, Arizona that had a warranty issue and it was taken care of by a local repair shop, that was paid promptly by Alliance. The only thing I would change is to have a glow step to the toy area for easy access in tight spaces, storage, curbside, and over night parking lot stays.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Thank you for watching!

[@jamesglenn520]

Haven't heard of a Glow Step 😕 Can you please explain 👍

[@Tom.and.Missy.Northam]

Those Valors are pretty cool. Great unbiased review. I’m sure you guys are routing on your Chiefs!!!

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Yep... Go Chiefs!

[@jgbpa]

feel the same way about both rigs. BTW love your channel!!!

[@muchlove6173]

Hope you enjoy the Super Bowl! Right up to just about the end... 😁 #itsabucslife (born and raised in Tampa). Love how you support your Chiefs and love what you guys are doing. Keep crushing!

[@barrytobias6921]

We own an Alliance Paradigm and are now looking at toy haulers. We have narrowed it down to the Grand Design and Alliance and this helps.

[@kimharward192]

Alliance Valor won us over from the same model you have now. It was the extras that did it.

[@thecarpetheros5990]

As someone that has not own either but been shopping for one I can say we be going with Grand design the built quality just felt better

[@FirstStateHaven]

Thanks for keeping it real! Here lately I have been hearing a lot about Alliance! I was leaning toward Momentum 397TH. Now I have to go back and do some more homework. I just subscribed!!!

[@kjthuss5952]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Glad it was helpful!

[@CATB65]

Thanks for the heads up comparison

[@hrlyrdr9812]

Great comparison! Honest and gave your likes and dislikes. Your channel has become one of my favorites and I always look forward to the next scream like a girl adventure! 😂

[@chrischapman276]

With the amount of time I've been researching for the full time coach we're looking for I've found the Alliance being quite the upper scale coaches in quality, floor plan build and especially their pride in the storage space they put into their coaches. Still not totally sure which way we're going with all the possibilities there are and the wants of both of us but between the Alliance and the Raleigh with a couple others in the mix the Alliance is a very nice coach.

[@jlynn77]

We have been wanting a Grand Design for so long. But they are so hard to find right now. I can find the Valor with the options we need much quicker. The 3rd AC and the nonresidential fridge has been very hard to find in the Grand Design. I appreciate the video it has given good insight on what to look for in the Valor.

[@janebray9392]

Our new rig will be 112sqft...our last rig was 59sqft😜🤣😂👍🇨🇦👫we already miss our last rig and feel a bit intimidated to be getting something double in size😬what about the uturns.. we seem to make more uturns than anticipated😒🤣🤩😉🥸😎🤓our new 19ft(16ftbox) will be 2400lb dry, so we had to buy a bigger suv.(towload 5000lb), but our custom designed(my own layout, no junk drawer for hubby - but his own junk cupboard🤗) will have a 4yr warranty, which is nice! Hopefully the USA/Canada border opens up and we can join a "Switchitup" campout!!!

[@scottsmith922]

We have a Durango but down the road its between grand design or alliance. Thanks for sharing.

[@tamaraclymer]

I love what I see coming out of Alliance! I am going to be doing my travel solo, so I am waiting to see what they come out with that is half-ton or small 3/4 ton towable.

[@roger80465]

I have owned an Alliance product since May, 2020. I can assure you quality, and more importantly, customer service is second to none. I have received phone calls from VP of Customer Experience on Sunday of a Holiday weekend answering a question. Lighter versions will be out later this year. They will be worth the wait! I can't recommend Alliance highly enough.

[@timmurr1672]

Nice video guys thanks.

[@gainingmomentum5392]

I have a Momentum. Waited a year for Alliance to bring out the Valor. Walked it at Tampa too. Really like the AC/DC refrigerator... NO PROPANE ! Makes great sense. Particularly with the standard solar option. Much safer while driving. Likely our next rig.

[@jamesglenn520]

Actually the refrigerator is Dc 12volt only.

[@jamesglenn520]

Did you get your Valor Yet 😲👍

[@tifchrisdomerica2429]

Thanks for the tips!!!

[@louisverville2236]

Thank you for your video. 3 subject that you did not cover : 1. Fridge (electric 12 volts big 18 cu feet awsome) 2. warranty is a full 2 year like Jayco. 3. side panel made of AZDEL sidewall and what about the slideout system. should be tested as well...

[@c.victoriaritchie3466]

Very nice 😊

[@cindywinter8106]

I need that white jacket!!!

[@Luv2Bhitched]

Good info.

[@richardsmith1966]

The valor is a new player in the 5th wheel market and was probably not yet available on the market at the time you made your purchase., GRAND DESIGN is also a good builder of R.V.'s and owned by the infamous winnibego corporation😊. You can order any number of optional brands, appliances and floor plans from any builder of R.V.'s so, no regrets, and, enjoy your momentum🤗👍

[@TexasFamilyCamping]

We really wanted a Grand Design, but we are quickly falling in love with the Alliance RV brand.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Both great rigs - good luck on your decision! And thanks for watching we appreciate it!

[@kimvandertill8928]

Don’t know if you know it or not but one of the Alliance owners was a well loved long time employee of Grand Design. Your video is the first we’ve seen that they came out with a toy hauler.

[@donnadory7482]

🇺🇸🕊️ "NICE" 🤗 Great video. 👍👍 Thank-you, for sharing.💪 Have a beautiful bless Day.🙏 🍃🇺🇸🕊️🌎🕊️🍃

[@scottforrest2097]

The air compressor on these is nice, but it doesn’t even go high enough to air up the tires on the trailer itself, seems an oversight. A compressor on the trailer should be able to air up the trailer tires.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Fair point! We would use it for our toys but can see the point for the trailer as well.

[@jamesglenn520]

The compressor will pump 120psi so that is sufficient for the Trailer as well as your Tow Vehicle 👍 It is plumbed to both sides of the trailer for that reason 😉

[@wicked.orlando]

We looked at the Alliance, they have a good model and seem to be doing ok but with the big investment of a TH we decided to go with Grand Design, we compare them to FR offerings and their ability to stand behind you on your purchase, friends of ours own Momentum’s and Solitudes all with zero complaints. I will never buy anything else besides GD going forward however the Momentum 351-R we are getting should be our last unit, as we are selling our Montana bc we do not like the Raptors. I do wish Alliance a lot of luck and they do have some challenges coming late in the game but I think they have a shot of doing it.

[@Xmarblemanx]

Every rv reviewer I have watched love alliance 5th wheels and I am surprised you took the time to post today I thought you would be busy with the super bowl

[@SwitchItUpLife]

I will give you a secret... I shot this like 3 weeks ago and I hit the easy button so we could watch the game.. bahahahaha... the video I was working on started laughing and didn't want to hurry it so we will probably upload it on Tuesday...

[@Xmarblemanx]

I kinda figured you had this saved for today just in case

[@dwaynecheek2818]

Great videos!

[@catherined7545]

If I'm not mistaken, I think the owners of Alliance used to work for Grand Design. No 100% sure on that, but I thought I heard or read that somewhere. 🤔

[@robertnasser9937]

The only use for the central vac is vacuuming out the truck.

[@fred_brunell]

Good info!

[@michaela.aguilar8940]

What was reply you received on the washer/dryer in the garage? I would like hook ups in both locations, so I could have the option to choose.

[@SwitchItUpLife]

Jeremy said to just reach out to him at Alliance and they can make the hookups happen.

[@GB-rc4xh]

Check out the Alliance Facebook group, I think you'll find that we are very helpful to one another and a tight knit group. I haven't even purchased mine yet but after being in the group, I know that I will get an Alliance. I am waiting to see what the mid level models will be like in late spring/early summer. Where else can you get an immediate answer to a problem or at least directed to a solution from an owner of the company?

[@gregrodenbaugh5609]

Your personality keeps me from thinking you're becoming one of them!

[@SwitchItUpLife]

One of who?... the rv youtuber dude?...lol...

[@gregrodenbaugh5609]

I really enjoy your chanel. Its so refreshing, fun and real

[@teachthemalltruth]

I was previously interested in the Grand Designs but I've looked at the Alliance Valor before too. Do you know if the super sofas can be switched for a loveseat/dinette instead? And can the king size beds be optioned out for a queen to make more room in the bedrooms? Thanks.

[@noboundaries845]

I don't think anyone beats the size and number of living room windows you get in a Grand Design. Light is very important to me. I'm leaning towards the 395MS but I'm disappointed with the bedroom windows and size of the bedroom. I was shocked when you said you're not supposed to travel with full water tanks in a GD. How do they expect you to boondock for 2 weeks? Maybe this is why their water tank is much larger than most. Because you can only fill it up 60%.

[@chipangelicamartelle802]

Awesome information. What outside colors does the valor come in? Just white or did I notice it was grey?

[@toodles5683]

Question about the tie downs on the Alliance, are there tie down rings that lock into the strips on the floor? Kinda reminds of the tie down areas on a cargo plane where you can add the rings where you need them.

[@jamesglenn520]

The answer is Yes 👍

[@russellpottenger8584]

Would you consider the overall construction and insulation making it a Four season full time RV Similar to a DRV or your Grand Design?

[@annciesla1003]

They look so nice but I would be afraid to tow such a big RV

[@jamesglenn520]

Believe it or not but my 2021 3500 Ram tows our 40v13 like it's not behind it. I wouldn't tow it with anything other than a 1ton longbox Duelly 👍

[@jaubry71]

Where is you find the information that tanks can’t be e than 60% for travel?

[@dannybryant4440]

You should have looked at the Cedar Creeks before buying the Grand Design

[@BenjaminMedlock]

Just in time before the game! Go Chiefs!

[@cruzinbenny3750]

They never showed up!

[@BenjaminMedlock]

@@cruzinbenny3750 I blame Sheila and Todd cause they aren’t in KC like last year. :)

[@chrism.7690]

A comment for KZbin! ; )

[@philstucker1312]

Time to Switch it up to the Alliance. 🤣😜

[@bobmakow55]

With the slides in on the Alliance can you access the refrigerator, bathroom and bedroom?

[@SwitchItUpLife]

We are not sure on that as we didn’t pay attention to where the slides would come in. Wish I would have now that you ask....

[@jamesglenn520]

I know you can on the 40v13.

[@FreedomIsntFree2023]

Whattt....can't travel with full water on the GD? Ummm...that is a bit silly on a toy hauler....

[@jeffward7502]

Grand design reputation has taken a dump since the buy out.

[@deanjenkins4716]

So looking for a trailer that can ACTUALLY BE LEGAL ALL THE WAY AROUND

[@esmoglo]

Grand Design is owned by Winnebago they cashed out

[@wandrousvindella716]

Another great video! Your subscribers will go up in no time~ I no longer watch NFL, but GO CHIEFS! (lifetime Steelers fan from the ATL)

[@marychristie6194]

We just bought a new class A DP but it seems that buying these rigs are like computer technology-the design and technology changes fast -they will probably improve ours -might not be good to go to these shows and torture yourself with what is better 🤷‍♀️🤣

[@1scooterpilot1]

] “Not supposed to travel with our tanks full. Only 60% with our Grand Design”. Grand Design does not provide a percentage of what your tanks should be filled to while traveling. We have added bracing in the tank area so that people CAN travel with full tanks. However, it is advised to limit that travel for a few reasons. First, water weighs 8# per gallon. If you fill your fresh water, and have gray or black water, you are starting to limit your Cargo Carrying Capacity greatly. This could potentially put you over your GVWR. Another reason would be that water is a fluid (obviously) weight. It moves while you travel which can strain tanks and straps, no matter how much reinforcement there is. We apologize if it was someone from GDRV who provided that statistic to you." Dry camping in the desert 150 / 200 miles from water and fuel requires everything that can carry liquid be filled and full. If cargo capacity is an issue when all tanks are filled, that's at no go for me. Futhermore, in transport with filled tanks is a concern! With a Toy Hauler you definitely won't have hook ups most of the time. I'm glad I learned this before looking hard at Toy Haulers. If this systemic within the industry, well it's not good, not good at all. Especially when some manufactures are touted to better than others.

[@bryanmontgomery4050]

Compare the roofs!!!!!!!!

[@waylon12]

Guys, I sell the Alliance. Hit me up and we can get you out of your Momentum that I know you love. It's just you love this one a little bit more.

[@deanjenkins4716]

Looked Alliance first time a few days ago! Cabinet seemed cheap wood! As a Toy Haul pissed off that axles with real toys in them mine is over weight on rear axle 2 axle even though trailer is just under GVW with absolutely no water, gray, black fluids also gas for toys!! Mine say 14040 GVW but trailer has only 2 6000lb axles