Allies Crushing Air Power

[@MarshButcher]

Bomberguy....thank you so much for posting these historical videos. My Dad was in the infantry in WW II but I love all aspects of the war. In this day and age it doesn't matter who won or lost or what the politics of the day were. It happened,lets learn from it and move on. Thanks again!

[@jackjohnbob]

Bomberguy, you amaze me. Thanks again for another brilliant and interesting upload!!!

[@TomsPlanes]

Classic narrator. my grandparents tell me about how they felt when the planes were coming over...they were terrified...

[@DEP717]

I love the RAF marked B-25s! Had a relative who was USAAC and flew them in the Pacific. Looks like he had a tag team partner or two in the UK!

[@LordGodofMercy]

@helenheather. My Children are at Junior school and have learned about WW2. They have recently learned about the Blitz (with input from local people that experienced the blitz) they were told and discussed the fact that German children were bombed as well. Also they were made aware that the war was against Nazi's not Germans. I think the Teachers were not 'narrow' in their approach to this subject , and I am impressed with their sensitivity in the way they delivered this subject .

[@LTDcunuk]

nice upload 5/5

[@pramboy09]

@hwschildt so can you tell me which american merchant ships were sunk in 1939? i can't find any.

[@LordGodofMercy]

@solwen What part of France do you come from? Is it Vichy?

[@christof139]

This policy was abandoned on 15 May 1940, two days after the German air attack on Rotterdam, when the RAF was given permission to attack targets in the Ruhr, including oil plants and other civilian industrial targets which aided the German war effort, such as blast furnaces that at night were self illuminating. The first RAF raid on the interior of Germany took place on the night of 15 May - 16 May.

[@LordGodofMercy]

@helenheather Hope you had a good break and welcome back.

[@christof139]

The UK had a policy of using aerial bombing only against military targets & against infrastructure such as ports and railways which were of direct military importance. While it was acknowledged that the aerial bombing of Germany would cause civilian casualties, the British government renounced the deliberate bombing of civilian property, outside combat zones, as a military tactic.

[@33vortex]

Yeah, the 262 was capable but in the situation that the Luftwaffe faced a waste of resources. What they needed so desperatly was high-altitude performance in order to combat the vast allied bomber formations, which the 262 lacked. Impressive as the jet was, piston a/c had still not played out their role. Had they produced as many Ta152s as they did 262s it would have looked very different in the skies over Europe.

[@stuartthegrant]

A very savage war WW11. Stuart...

[@christof139]

Nazis started terror bombing in 1939 in Warsaw. "The free use of indiscriminate bombing of cities by Germany - Warsaw in 1939, Rotterdam in 1940, Belgrade in 1941 and above all the bombing of British cities ("the Blitz") in 1940-41 - hardened British attitudes towards bombing Germany."

[@AZsaturn]

@Elberiver11 So, whay citizens of Hamburg and Dresden no escape to villages and forests?

[@christof139]

When World War II began in 1939, the president of the United States (then a neutral power), Franklin D. Roosevelt, issued a request to the major belligerents to confine their air raids to military targets. The French and the British agreed to abide by the request, which included in the provision that "upon the understanding that these same rules of warfare will be scrupulously observed by all of their opponents"

[@robinhood48]

@Francis1930 As long as Britain has people like you it will be a fine country.

[@martynpank]

So true!

[@bluenail90]

I'm wondering what comment bomberguy's deleted cos the rest seemed spot on?

[@Icarusdecending82]

Yeah let it go pal. The war ended 65 years ago. My grandpa fought the Germans and he passed away 6 years ago. Im pretty sure the young men he fought are mostly gone now too. Let it die with them.

[@christof139]

Germany's economy started some recovery in the early 1930s, and Germans did work and have money, and they did or did not donate that money to whomever thay wished. The world-wide Great Depression was still in existance, but people still had money to some degree or another.

[@martynpank]

bluenail90 . Agree!

[@andywarh0l]

Hiroshima was an important staging port for the war in Manchuria, and Dresden had large railyards used by the Wermacht to transport troops and materials. Sure bombing was horrible but what else was there? Nonagressive stances in the thirties had only made things worse for the Allies.

[@bluenail90]

But let's keep it to planes hey? Nice vids BG, shame you've retired.

[@Icarusdecending82]

"The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others." I would say Stalin had little to no value for human life. He viewed human beings in terms of statistics with no regards to their humanity. He was paranoid and was beaten severely as a child by his father (which would impact his emotional being as an adult). So yeah i would say he was a sociopath.

[@Norfolkscot]

How sad that 65 years after the events, and probably long before most of you were born, people are hurling pointless vitriolic abuse at each other. Don't you realise that slogans and abuse serve no purpose. They do not bring back the millions of dead in Europe. Certainly many of those millions were evil but countless millions were just ordinary families dreaming of the day when their children would grow up in a world free from such verbal abuse.

[@mardonius12345]

@TheMrPangloss "And what makes it even worse was that Japan was ready for peace long before the a-bombs....." It is hard to defend that statement because a) After the first A-bomb, the Japanese cabinet had people who wanted to continue the war because ' the Americans probably had only one bomb of that kind' b) After the second bomb and the Emperor's decision to surrender, par of the military revolted because they really, REALLY wanted to keep fighting.

[@DiverseLA]

2:20 - 2:25 Must've been a fuel explosion.

[@martynpank]

You are a decent man Marty- Thank you hws. you are too. This vid does not mention, as you put it, 'Dead cities'. I repeat. these are legitimate targets. Marshalling yards, viaducts, communications et al. I think we should leave our differences apart & continue privately cos we're not gonna agree here! I am not willing to jeopodise a friendship over arguement when we have talked sensibly before privately. Maybe I have provoked you into this & I do apologise. BFN.

[@robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy You are right there is much to learn from Professor Dr. habil. Sir TheMrPangloss. For example good manners.

[@AZsaturn]

@Elberiver11 "5th September 1939: the British Empire starts bombing German cities of CUXHAVEN and WILHELMSHAVEN." How much death and destruction may cause leaflet propaganda? If a German man had died then, it was the cause of laughter. When a German woman suffered, the cause was a broken fingernail when sweeping the propaganda leaflets.

[@LordGodofMercy]

@toonmag50 What are you on about? Are you on the Newky brown?

[@Bomberguy]

By using double exposures

[@AZsaturn]

@Elberiver11 If you are looking a cheap hotel in Gdansk, look in the Internet. There are many pages about this place in German language. You can also for many money in Hilton, which recently opened at Motlawa. Architecturally fit, but the location remains controversial.

[@fordroad]

Power play movies , the Germans went under ground they were producing as many as three times the fighter aircraft in 44/45/as they were doing in 1941. Sadly they just did not have the skilled pilots to fly the kites.

[@christof139]

nazis started terror bombing with the Warsaw, 1939, Nazi troops including reguar Heer (Army) troops used dum-dum bullets (wooden bullets outlawed by the Gemeva Convention) aginst Allied troops in Normandy. Nazis started WWII and the Allies finished it.

[@swanningaround]

Right. You use military doublespeak to discuss attrocities. I guess that you use "reaping benefits" whereas I would say "killing little defenseless children".

[@mardonius12345]

@TheMrPangloss Google this - in quotes "We will do nothing but press on to the bitter end to bring about a successful completion of the war" . That's Prime Minister Suzuki's public statement on July 30, after Japan had been warned of "utter destruction" And yes, I am interested in hearing your references that Japan had realistic peace proposals - not a "defeat" where Japan gets to keep the countries it had invaded.

[@robinhood48]

@TheMrPangloss He follows you because he likes you. He just doesn´t dare to admit. Maybe he fears you would reject him. Normal behavior in his age.

[@RattlerBK]

Did you mean the former Axis countries (esp.Germans) feel Allies are still enemies to this very day, 65 years later? If so, I've felt that kind of dark vibe around on YT.

[@Gruntol5]

@DukePukoze: @DukePukoze : Your comments don't make any sense. "refugees killed are guilty for holocoust (sic)" - what on earth does that mean? No. I am not Jewish. So what? If you are unable to write a sensible comment, I suggest you keep your hands in your pockets.

[@MrSunlander]

Bloody Gerry got a real bolloxing by the Mighty 8th and the RAF!

[@Wildcat222]

It was a long range escort fighter... It was its main purpose...

[@Bomberguy]

Sadly?

[@AZsaturn]

@Elberiver11 "showing British people dancing in the streets," Five years on, the British lived in fear. Every day could be the last in their lives. It changes the man. London was not very damaged because Polish pilots who bravely be slaughtered Luftwaffe bombers.

[@LordGodofMercy]

@toonmag50 That should read 2300 rounded up to 24000 apolgies.

[@christof139]

Yes, there were bombings in the colonial period, yet Germany first bombed Britain in WWI with Zeppelins, did you forget about that? In WWII the nazis started terror bombing begginning with Warsaw in 1939.

[@martynpank]

Firstly- OK! I've not read your article yet so I cannot comment further. Secondly- Oh, absolutely! But do you remember that children & Women also died in the Blitz & the V1 & V2 attacks, I don't beleive that I have to point this out to you again! Thirdly- Technology was so bad then that to hit a target direct was nigh impossible, unless daytime & it was only much later that the allies could bomb specific targets. The Allies could not pick the people who were Nazis & who weren't!

[@iroscoe]

Exactly,the Nazi's razed Warsaw,Belgrade,Rotterdam,Coventry and countless other places they could scarcely complain when they got the same back with interest,they wanted total a war they got one .

[@rietveen26]

I'm almost sorry to say this, but that might actually be true, hwschildt. The fact that germany was so severely punished made that hitler had an easy way of gaining power.

[@coy0te9]

Germany paid the cost of initiating a multiple front offensive war.

[@pramboy09]

@wickedweasel666 if hitler had envisioned a war against america in the 1920's, you would have thought he would have at least had a heavy bomber by 1940?

[@Icarusdecending82]

Yeah thats the only thing they were really good at. I mean they were also good at hitting railroad stations and logistical targets.

[@ish13ballack]

you mean they did nit have ENOUGH pilots, their pilots were as good as if not better than those of the allies. You are also forgetting hitlers and goerings stupidity regarding allocation of resources for their production and development.

[@AZsaturn]

Is not innocent people. There are only people irregularly heard.

[@martynpank]

hws. I have told you that we will not agree. There are plenty of people here that will now argue against you. Let's just beg to differ! There is no point in bickering! I respect your views & I hope you can respect mine! (Although I doubt this!). We could spend the rest of our lives arguing who is right, but you have an opinion & so do I. I have enjoyed chatting with you & you are always welcome to chat privately, But I am not going to be humiliated for something that I have no control on!

[@robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy No. It´s not just me. Last year my neighbor fell from bike and I had a good laugh. You see, I have sense of humor. Is zat kleer?

[@LordGodofMercy]

@toonmag50 Finland invaded East Karelia (Soviet territory) during the continuation war. Then they started putting the Russian population in concentration camps. Then things got really ugly on the civilian population. I thought the total Soviet POW deaths under Finnish control were put @ 19000. Perhaps the 4000 civilian’s deaths have been included to make 24000. And has been rounded up to 25000, But hey what’s 1000 deaths when playing immoral equivalency poker?

[@LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss Sounds like complete twoddle to me.

[@EvilSirJasper]

@TheMrPangloss "The west wanted the maniac Hitler and the psychopath Stalin": Do you have ANY real reason to think this or is it just an attitude formulated over time? Given that the West - out of a lack of willpower borne from unease over the Versailles Treaty, plus not wanting to repeat the terrible ordeal of the First World War & also seeing Hitler as a bulwark against communism - allowed Hitler to rise to power before then going to enormous lengths to stop him, it is very inconsistent.

[@martynpank]

Now that I have calmed down a bit, I apologise for being a bit harsh & I hope you can do the same! The war is over, we can't change it! But please try to see it from my perspective aswell. I'm (normally) a very tolerant man & will listen to your viewpoints, but don't expect me to support Hitler.

[@pramboy09]

@MokomaSusi Not in the same scale,

[@christof139]

Yes, the Weimar Rep. was greatly affected by the world iwde Great Depression, just as the USA etc. was, very badly. Yes, I haven't read that particular book but have read many others dealing with the subjects. Of course western industrialist helped Germany and also their own nations & other nations including the USSR during the 1920's & 1930's. However, to say they directly put Hitler in power is stretching reality quite a bit. Chancellor Hindenberg put Hitler in power.

[@martynpank]

"From a humanitarian reaspn, what is shown boastfully in this video, is a war crime." "kind of biblical tenet" WTF is a Biblical tenet? "shock-and-awe military legacy " "it contributed to the Holocaust " hws. I know we have different chats privately, which I appreciate, but my main thing is, What on earth did you want the allies to do? Give up? The Allies were not going to let the Axis win....No way! There were 2x choices- Allies win or the Axis win! Cont.....

[@jrobertsoneff]

@webb20k We didn;t need to ,we knew the germans were going to invade russia unless wehad a treaty with russia . The russians knew it also thats why they invaded.

[@Icarusdecending82]

They didnt fight? There were more US Airmen killed in WWII than US Marines. Oh and yes children were killed, civilians were bombed, but how else did you expect us to fight with the technology we had? Its easy for you to sit back be critical of those who actually fought the war and had to make the tough decisions while you weap the benefits of the outcome isnt it?

[@pramboy09]

@lumbago12 yep

[@superkooliodude20]

yea, and HUGE axis Genocides!

[@Vermiliontea]

Really? How terrific! Only thing you gotta do then is to disperse your military and industry and the enemy would be committing war crimes if they bombed them. How neat. And yep! that's what everybody did. And hey, did you ever read the sections of trying to protect targets with civilians is a war crime? And that in such cases it's ok to shoot. And what are the sections of your international law and when were they written and signed? No dispute? Not in your sect maybe.

[@AZsaturn]

@Elberiver11 Jews to Madagascar? It's an old slogan, perhaps even humorous, invented around the twenties of XX century. Do you think that Hitler had an excess of gasoline? I do not know which children were screaming louder. Those in Dresden, or those in which Mengele experimented. But one thing is certain: The sooner we finish this six years massacre, the better. The high price, but even greater benefit. Let Dresden say: "Danke, Vatti."

[@pramboy09]

@hwschildt how many beers have you had already considering it is morning over your way?, so what imaginary U.S ships had hitler sunk in the late 30's?

[@swanningaround]

ePheCt. This is not about fighting the military machine. It was about targeting cities like Dresden and obliterating them. If you think this is a good thing, I disagree with you.

[@AZsaturn]

@Elberiver11 Tylko głupek nie ucieka z miasta bombardowanego.

[@LordGodofMercy]

@robinhood48 I spent a good part of a Summer in Greece with a load of Germans. They had a great sense of humour. perhaps it's just you?

[@LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss And of course ThePangroSSdenier. The 24000 Russian citizens that died in Finnish concentration camps.

[@pramboy09]

@hwschildt The americans tried to help by sending merchant ships to the uk as well as old ww 1 destroyers to help out . But like i said the germans didn't want to sink any american ships risking a war against the americans, the battleship nth carolina was sent to protect american ships. But in 1939 there were no presence of american ships until 1940.Why haven't you bothered to read up before posting instead on beleiving some bloke?

[@Justacarolinian]

Actually, after figuring out the abilities of the German Jets, the Americans were kicking it's butt with the P-51. And I'm half German, so don't spout off anti-american garbage.

[@LordGodofMercy]

@helenheather I have no idea what comment you are replying to! Elberiver has been crowing all over these channels about you encouraging him to make his sadistic anti Allied comments. Just thought I’d let you know. You wouldn’t want to be associated with him I’m sure.

[@warriorofice33]

the v1 was the first cruise missile and the v2 the first medium range ballistic missile. instead of declaring war on germany, france and england should have helped the nazis to get rid of bolshevism. no stupid cold war or annexed countries by the red army. think of all the misery the soviet union caused thereafter.

[@Icarusdecending82]

Reap rather.

[@robinhood48]

@LordGodofMercy I have no ironic humor. Humorous German is an oxymoron. Verstanden, Jerry?!

[@lumbago12]

@pramboy09 Good comment as usual (kiwi?).

[@Nebukadnezarthe2nd]

@rdx506 im not saying the nazis did something good! im saying that the bombings of innocent civilians is a warcrime too!

[@LordGodofMercy]

@toonmag50 There I was going through the day without quoting Solzhenitsyn and dammit if you didn’t make me mention his name. You win hands down. He got up Stalin’s nose so that’s good enough for me. He was 89 when he died so he deserved to sip French Vintage sherry (I thought sherry came from Spain?) through that beard of his. Anyway enough of you Geordie jolly japes! I’m sure there are others for you to play Mr Teasy Weasy with.

[@Icarusdecending82]

Well by definition your opinion is wrong.

[@robinhood48]

@blockthehood News for you, Cameron will cut social services and welfare spendings- seems you will have to find a job. Any idea?

[@LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss But every time someone has pointed out the shady behaviour of Finland in WW2 you report them. You hope that youtube will shut them up. The same way the Hitler Youth were encouraged to tell tales on people and the Gestapo would make them disappear. You have consistently made personal attacks on the Allied aircrews. Very unpleasant behaviour on your part.

[@LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss Wow! You are moving your Finniish war crime denial to greater hights. The 4000 you refer to are the Civilians (Women and Children) The 19000 were Russian POW's.

[@iroscoe]

Perhaps you should post these photo's of hommicidal Tommies or at least cite a source for them or people might think your a liar .

[@LordGodofMercy]

@toonmag50 So what's your agenda? Sold-a-nit as you call him went doolally so therefore his ‘73 writings on the East Karelia war crimes are void. You’re not a follower of PanGroSS are you? Mmmm you are beginning to whiff a bit of denial. Surely you’re just arseing around.

[@LordGodofMercy]

@TheMrPangloss All hypothetical really. Why do you conveniently leave out France in all this piffle . Britain did not support Hitler. Britain even supported Finland against the Soviet Union until Finland allied er... sorry came to a convenient arrangement with Hitler. All this says more about you than it does about Britain. So Britain invented Fascism Good grief Whatever next.