Allowable Defects in a CGC 9.8 | Before you Submit Comics to CGC, WATCH THIS!

[@secretjedi2938]

Mate, this video was great! I've held off sending to CGC through fear they would be rejected. I'm in the UK so it's a lot of effort sending them. This is the best cgc video I've ever seen.

[@ThereCanBeOnlyVaughn]

I still feel there’s some inconsistency with the grading. I’ve sent in books that get 9.2, 9.4 and 9.6 with what you’ve shown as 9.8s. Looking at the graders notes, there was hardly anything letting me know why this received the grades they got. So it’s really hard to understand what’s correct and what’s not.

[@michaelhernandez2868]

This was excellent. I learned so much about grading in this 1 recording than in the last 10 years. I didn't completely understand how cgc determined a book is a 9.8 'til now. Thanks for putting this one out.

[@danielmendez9373]

Probably my favorite KZbin video right now about comics. Very insightful and helpful when we’re out there hunting for potential 9.8s. Awesome stuff!

[@BrysComics]

Thank you!

[@YahWeh-uw5kz]

I was on cgc and doing a 9.8 pre-screen and saw this video, which I'm glad because I was so wrong about what was allowed. Much appreciated for making this clearer!!!!! Keep up the awesome work.

[@PartyMcFly89]

This is great stuff, as a new collector it's hard to know where to begin with cgc submissions. But this helps a ton! Happy New Year!

[@BrysComics]

Happy new year!

[@phable_one_collection_down]

Thank you so much for making this video. You have no idea how long I’ve been waiting for someone to break it down like this. Now I can confidently grade my books better. I always had a feeling I was over grading and now I’m certain of it. Thanks!!!

[@str8swish538]

Actually there is a video cgc has, I believe on their site, on the grading process and how they arrive at the conclusion for the grading. The whole process is explained in great detail. I will try to provide a link.

[@BrysComics]

Please do!

[@amekomidarake]

@@BrysComics He might mean this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqCXnXd7r9CIgrM&ab_channel=CGCComicsCGCComics

[@NoCoastComics]

Great rundown video. The subjective nature of grading is tough but you definitely help make it a little more scientific. Like many, I've had 9.8s that look like 10.0s in every way. Maybe someday I'll get a 9.9 or 10.

[@tristanrujano]

This was the video I was looking for! I have some popular books that have binary tears and I thought it was a deal breaker, but turns out it's still possible to get a 9.8!

[@randyrobbins3393]

I’ve got a ASM 300 with less color rub than that and it was cited as the reason for it being a 9.6 no ticks or anything. Absolutely perfect.

[@robcook8456]

As someone will be submitting to cgc fir the first time this is very helpful in selecting the books I will send. Thanks!

[@josequintana3669]

You took good time and care on the details, which is commendable. I used to submit sports cards to PSA, SGC, and BGS decades ago. You are correct on declaring the subjectivity of the process. It does come down to the persons grading the item. I have a few 70's issues I plan on submitting to CGC, but simply for keeping in my personal collection. I'm gladly subbing to your channel. Please do continue to focus on the truths of the industry...and the fun it does bring to you and us.

[@Rubberand4skins]

As I learn more about what is allowable and/or not. I have come to realize that the final deciding factor if the HF(human factor). We can send in what we believe is a perfect book, but it will all depend on the individual grader. Good Luck.

[@WeLoveComics]

This is a GREAT video and you explained everything really well. SO many people think that a 9.8 is flawless. Thank you for this video, I added this to my favorites list on my channel. Thumbs up :)

[@BrysComics]

Thank you so much!

[@WeLoveComics]

@@BrysComics Keep up the good work :)

[@rodneysamson1686]

Best video I’ve watched breaking down allowable defects. I’m walking away feeling that many of the 9.8s shown could of easily been 9.6s. It’s all on the graders discretion

[@GovernatorAO]

This was an amazingly helpful video. I havent collected comics since my teen years in the 90s (only purchasing trades now and then) and have started to get back into collecting, so this is a new world for me and really helps me understand what to look for. Thank you!

[@stephenbyce]

This is the best video on this subject I've seen. It's funny as these defects would kill a sports card grade

[@BrysComics]

Yeah they’re way more strict huh? Probably because it’s one tiny card and not a whole book...makes sense

[@spyderpaul314]

Thanks man. Been collecting for quite a while, and this helps clear up my understanding of how some defects affect grading

[@keyngdomcomicscontent]

Well done bud. I know your info to be 100% accurate based off my own submissions. Your rub and tick portions were especially insightful.

[@nathanwalls461]

Found you on IG (Im DurtyDogs3, was in your cgc wheel spin) Love the content and one of my favorite content providers now! Keep up the good work!

[@BrysComics]

Thanks man!

[@fancysinigang_tk]

Just found your channel and this video was awesome man. Like many have mentioned, I'm also looking to submit my first batch of comics to CGC for the first time and have been looking to as much research as possible before I do. This has been one of the most helpful in that process. Subscribed!

[@BrysComics]

Thank you!!

[@Snitchols]

One of the most informative videos out there on this. Thanks for sharing. extremely helpful for first timers like myself who will be sending in books to CGC soon.

[@BoysBarn]

Very informative, thank you for doing this. Now I need to go through my supposed "9.8s" again before I consider submitting anything.

[@bronzevillecomics2581]

I feel better now about my spine rub books. I was noticing it a lot with DC comics that I’ve been reading from 2010 (yeah I’m a little behind in my reading) especially with card stock covers. Now I won’t feel so sad - it was starting to bother me even knowing that I would never submit these filler books for grading.

[@DiewithZero62]

Super helpful. I am thinking I likely have a few more 9.8s among my Bronze and Copper books than I thought just a few hours ago. 😎 Really appreciate you doing the heavy lifting on the murky world of grading.

[@spinnerrackstudios]

Interesting video. The color rubs you showed at the end of the video are unacceptable at 9.8 in my opinion. I have 9.6's that befuddle me as to why they are not 9.8's and vice versa. Quite honestly, why people chase 9.8's and pay exorbitant prices for them is beyond me, because the difference between a 9.8 and 9.6 is so negligible that it borders on silliness, especially when considering the inherent subjectivity of grading.

[@pcorey182]

Great video the two defects that I personally don't consider ever achieving a 9.8 is multiple spine ticks/color break and color Rub I consider those a 9.6 or lower, if I'm paying a lot of money to get that 9.8 book I always buy from someone on eBay that allows returns as if I get a 9.8 book that I paid 200, $300 or more for and it has either those defects I'm returning the book I don't consider it personally a 9.8 on the flipside I've gotten a lot of 9.8 books that are virtually Flawless and should be higher grades so at the end of the day there's low 9.8 grades and high 9.8 grades it's all what you're comfortable with what you collect if you're a 9.8 collector. Another great note a lot of books that were graded pre-2008 9.4 and 9.6 we're graded very strict back in the day I actually purchased some I've seen in person at conventions and have cracked open resubmitted and got it back graded 9.8

[@vader4543]

I have seen 9.8s that are not centered, have a lot of spin tics, have binding that is misaligned and yet I can find a 9.6 that has no evidence of this. At the end I'm gonna buy the 9.6, it's half the price and looks better

[@kevinanderson3753]

Great stuff! Not a new collector but newer to the grading part so this helps immensely

[@stillunluckyusername]

I think this is the most helpful video you published so far, nice job!

[@BrysComics]

Glad it was helpful!

[@tonybloomfield4772]

Thanks for all that info. Only done two submissions so still learning. Appreciate your insights.

[@manuelharper1155]

Hey thank you this was the video I needed to see because this industry is getting crazy with the cgc style thank you for pointing out everything I need to know you're amazing

[@BrysComics]

👍💯

[@TheSoundlotKids]

Great info and loved that you showed examples of the defects!

[@richwujek3250]

Great info to know when determining which comics I should be submitting for grading! Especially about the bindery tears. Thanks!

[@BrysComics]

Glad it was helpful!

[@elcrotamuth]

Thanks for the great information. Great video! I look forward to many to come. Have a good one!

[@manuelharper1155]

You are the best my brother I appreciate all your wisdom and advice keep on helping the community like you do

[@SBAVoltronProdt]

Super helpful. Working on my grading skills myself as much as I can. The mid grade is what’s tough for me to see where things kind of fall for older books

[@nicgreen7154]

I had wondered if color rub on the spine would completely ruin chances for a 9.8. Great video, thanks!

[@allisknu11]

This was very helpful for finding key back issues on eBay. I always ask for plenty of pictures that cover the whole comic book. I don't just settle for auction photos already uploaded, per your advice from another video. I'd rather pay the 9.8 slab than get a raw copy and throw money away. But now, I know what to look for. I've always passed on copies with that spine color rub, but now I know that it is negligible. Although I've seen 9.6 slabs that I swear looked like a 9.8. Given it doesn't have interior issues, I wonder why the "judgement" of the book can differ so much with a 9.8 that can look like a 9.4.

[@davecironelibrarykid]

Long awaited / Much requested -- no joke! really informative!

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

First, a couple of critiques: How can we say they have the industry standard for grading.... when we don't know their grading criteria?? lol. They are the industry standard in terms of brand recognition, but calling them the standard for grading cannot be done until we have a transparent grading criteria made public. You stated the Thor 4 probably would not hit a 9.8 if it was coupled with any other defects, simply because it had the waves, yet right before that you showed the MTU 141, that had multiple spine ticks, waves, AND that front corner crinkle. According to everything else you showed off and the standards that you are assuming, that MTU 141 should be no higher than a 9.6. Now that I'm done giving you a hard time (lol), really great job on the vid man. You've done your homework and presented your findings in a very sound way. Still, I think it's a shame that WE have to play detective in order to find out what CGC's grading process is. Ultimately, I'm not as optimistic as you are with their consistency, and as they continue to grow, I absolutely do believe that transparency will be needed in order for them to sustain themselves. Great work man. Just found your channel as well, so keep on putting in the good work!

[@BrysComics]

Great points, I think we probably agree on everything CGC...as far as contradicting myself, I try my best but still fall short. Thanks for watching 👍💯✌️

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

@@BrysComics Lol I hear you man! I couldn't let you off the hook easily though!

[@jeffcorpse]

Explains a lot of what I’ve seen! I’ve bought lower grades that look great but may be hard to see through the case.

[@CollectingPlastic]

Great video dude, lots of useful information for someone new to graded comics. Super interesting.

[@drjpooah]

Great video and shows up clear on camera. Question, were these books sent for ccs pressing? My general sense was if sent for ccs pressing they would be more generous with flaws then if just sent in like that straight. Maybe thats not the case?

[@BrysComics]

The graders wouldn’t know if it was pressed by ccs or not...but no none of these were pressed by ccs

[@yamothersfavouritefarmer2787]

Amazing ....I've sold a lot that would prob have been 9.8...but this vid has saved me selling more. Awesome.

[@morningmorgan6341]

It’s not how they come off the press, they are put together in a bindery, usually on a stitcher. We used to run dc and Archie comics where I used to work. It’s usually from dull blades and machines running too fast, too slow, or jamming up.

[@danielmarquez2447]

Wow, your so knowledgeable about grading. Thank you for the information. Will looking thoroughly through my books before submitting my books

[@tegarparamartha202]

nice info about that bindery tears! iam glad thats an allowable defects!

[@FedorSaku]

Great vid. I learned a lot, I have a lot of keys I am gonna start submitting to cgc, and these eased my mind. Thanks for the knowledge and the hard work to make this video.

[@BrysComics]

Just make sure you use prescreen 👍

[@shhteviebishop9475]

Great information. I have a nice copy of Star Wars: Heir to the Empire #1 that I’ve always wanted to get slabbed but was worried about color rub down the spine. I might have to take a chance on it.

[@mrbungle333]

Ton of great information. Spine rub has stopped me from submitting several books. I have to rethink those

[@Caseshells123]

It all comes down to the grader if he/she is having a good day. If they are pissed at life or sick or being sad your book us screwed if it has any minor defects that would usually get a 9.8 your getting a 9.6 or 9.4. It’s life

[@Mickey.Anthony]

This video is amazing! Great job on all the hard work you put into this!

[@best9642]

Great video, I loved how you took the time to explain the delicate details thank you.

[@ComicCulture]

Amazing video. Thoughts on age of the book playing a factor? I feel like older books are allowed more defects for the same grade.

[@BrysComics]

That’s possible, I just don’t have enough experience yet to say for sure…

[@oliverortiz8507]

This was very detailed and will be a definite guide in the future.

[@chadnelson1150]

In that older book, those slight waves are typically from humidity....and from pressing. Great video though. In depth.

[@Rorysammy]

I have a crain venom 7 that came back a 9.8 despite one very clear color breaking spine tic

[@louisbernardy2219]

Great video, very informative and helpful. When you’re determining market value for CGC graded comics and books. what in your opinion is the best source for that data? Thank you.

[@BrysComics]

Depends on the book…if it’s a modern book with lots of sales definitely eBay recent sold listings, if it’s a more rare book I look at GPanalysis, cover price, and eBay to look at recent sales and then also check out current listed prices…this market is so hot many saw sources are behind in updating so you gotta look at the whole picture 👍

[@louisbernardy2219]

@@BrysComics Thanks very much!

[@bscomicsandcollectables4353]

This Video was Great! Very Informative. Loved the example videos. Awesome man! Thanks for doing this one. AWESOME Books!!!

[@adamgroves5289]

great info thanks again! going to be doing my first submission this month and this will help me loads

[@YeezieComics]

Good stuff. More like this. I'm about to start submitting and this helps. A lot more is allowable for a 9.8 that I thought.

[@BrysComics]

Glad it helped!

[@Tom-gp6oy]

I agree with @ThereCanBeOnlyVaughn I had a 9.8 Ultimate Fallout #4 with several spine ticks I felt was a 9.6 or less, and I had a 9.6 Darth Vader #3 Larocca Variant with virtually no visible flaws that I was sure would come back 9.8. There was no notes given on either. A CGC grader has also said they spend less than 1 minute on each book, so they're not exactly pouring over every detail, and I kind of doubt their claim that 3 people always look at each book...They're only human, I don't expect them to be perfect all the time, but their 3-person redundancy is meant to be a net for errors, and sometimes it seems like more slips through than is reasonable. Although admittedly, there is also a natural negative bias here, in the sense that I (and most collectors) probably focus much more on perceived errors than successes, so that the exact level of CGC's inconsistency is hard to determine. Your video still seems like a good general guideline for what might be allowed in a 9.8, so thanks for making it. I have another idea for a video, if you haven't done it: find some 9.9's or 10.0 if possible and the nicest 9.8's and see if you can find any difference. I bet no one has ever resubmitted a 9.9 (lol), but if they did, I'd bet a large amount it would come back 9.8. Given that there are 9.8's you can find with virtually no visible defect, I have doubts CGC can consistently grade a 9.9-10.0 without knocking it to a 9.8. I could be wrong, but that's how I feel.

[@BWayneBarkley]

what about those small holes at bottom of pages - not sure where they come from (mayby newsstand?). Those holes mean no 9.0, correct?

[@BrysComics]

If all of the books in the run have it they let it slide...only defects are deducted so if it was manufactured intentionally like that no deduction

[@zophar1001]

Awesome video. I really appreciated the detailed explanations and presentation of each. I definitely will be subscribing!

[@BrysComics]

Thank you!

[@dylanschultzable]

Informative, well articulated video! SOLID stuff. Thanks!

[@BrysComics]

Thank you!

[@matthewduffy3337]

Been waiting for this one! Thanks for the info 👍 😀

[@BrysComics]

Thank you for watching!

[@jarredsmith7715]

I was wondering what book should i try to get first cause i got 6 grail books to get and they are X-Men#1,Hulk#181,AMS#129,TMNT#1,Cerebus#1 and Superman Batman#6 German Variant.

[@BrysComics]

That’s a great list! Just gotta dive into the number s a dare what makes the most sense right now, like which one is the coldest

[@brucemanley4733]

Another great video......on point with topic discussions so far!

[@vans.9538]

I’ve owned some CGC 9.8 books with a lot more serious waves and ripples, top and bottom, than the examples that you show in this video. Not a big fan at all with this manufacturer defect. Id rather let the book go and find another copy without it. Also, there is another defect that I’ve seen with several books recently that have made the 9.8 grade, unbelievably so, in my opinion. This defect consists of a sort of spine roll, or an indented ridge going all the way down a book lengthwise next to the spine. It’s very obvious, and very unsightly, especially when the glare from light bounces off it. I’ve owned several books with this particular flaw. I remember owning a Batman #423 with this defect, and I was crushed, because it’s a pretty expensive book. I just bought a CBCS 9.8 of a mid 80’s Detective Comics semi key, and the book has this same issue, but probably the worst case I’ve ever seen. Can’t even believe CBCS awarded this book a 9.8. Has anyone else experienced these issues with their books? I’d love to know.

[@BrysComics]

I know exactly what you're talking about. I think "stacking bend" would be the best technical term...

[@vans.9538]

@@BrysComics I never knew that, and I’ve been collecting slabbed books for 20 years.

[@lilyday115]

The only I guess do you think I've ever seen on any of my Comics is sometimes when they come in the mail they have those little white lines on the side that look like creases kind of and sometimes the very two tips on each end will be slightly bent

[@lilyday115]

But I have rarely had that happen to me

[@richardfavaro2021]

Very well done , learned a ton of applicable information . Thanks!

[@thelawnrangerandprontoserv9328]

I've been curious about what defects are allowed. I bought the new future state the next batman 1 minimum logo with him revealing his face and on the bottom corner the cut was a rough off set cut and I been very curious about the grade. Other then the off corner cut its perfect...

[@iangato3473]

Why doesn't CGC just let it be known what their grading criteria are? Is it just so they'll get more submissions and more money?

[@BrysComics]

That’s a great question…maybe it would open the door to people arguing with their grading…

[@iangato3473]

@@BrysComics I'm willing to bet that people question their grades and complain already lol. I prefer full disclosure to guessing games.

[@gabrielpotter6454]

Great content. Preparing to send my first big submission and I’m stressing. This video was a big help Bry.

[@anthonytuero3697]

Such a good video!! Helps out a lot in figuring out what to send to cgc. Question, does pressing a comic takeout the waviness?

[@thehypecollector3693]

Awesome video bro, I’m new to comics & grading wanted to submit some in to CGC this video answers all my questions 👍🏼

[@BrysComics]

Very nice!!

[@Thirdbornentertainment]

what grade did you get for the more extreme color rub at 24 minutes?

[@Productions-nt4zv]

Is the age of the book in relation to condition taken into consideration? Ie) 2020 with a spine tick = 9.8 vs 1960 with multiple spine ticks or other defects = 9.8

[@e36boy]

Great video. I was wondering why my UF4 had a 9.8 when it had a color rub... So it's a negligible defect. I have wizard world young avengers #1 cgc 9.5 and that book is flawless like no handling or manufacturing defect, looks like a Gem Mint to me.

[@comic_you_tank8512]

Best content anywhere brother!

[@nelsonxasencio2420]

I have a book and its nearly perfect-but somehow-the left corner was dented and caused a small crease line to show on the back cover-do you think this would still get a 9.8?

[@davesdungeon9893]

Wow I learned alot. Thanks Bri fantastic video, saved it to my Comic Book playlist👍🤔😃🔥🔥🔥

[@BrysComics]

Thank you so much!

[@joeruest1324]

Analysis by paralysis But I get it .. But whats the point of not reading a comic ??? Someone has lost focus Thks

[@jstruss1]

very nice insight on spine ticks! something that i did not know

[@crzdcolombian]

This is a great video. I haven't been sending comic with binding tears because I thought they would be backed pretty hard tho last few years of comics they all seem to have them.

[@JoseCuevasjr]

could you also check if removing the sticker from the free digital versions change the value of a comic?

[@BrysComics]

Yup, I’ll try to get to the bottom of that!

[@joelp4600]

I always peel mine halfway so I can get the code, but the sticker remains intact. According to Regie Collects, stickers like that would be noted on the label, but would not affect the grade. I'm still waiting for someone else to confirm if this is truly the case.

[@saltorrejr]

Can a small discoloration at the edge of the bottom or top still be a 9.8?

[@BrysComics]

Do you mean color rub? I guess it depends how big and what kind of. Discoloration

[@MrRyan6520]

does the color break down the length of the spine affect grade?

[@BrysComics]

Usually not, for that it kind of depends on the book and what the entire print run looks like, if it’s a cardstock cover and has the white on the spine then no but if it’s a marvel book where the whole print run has it then it won’t affect grade unless it splits the spine…usually

[@comicjourney]

This video helped clear up a lot. Thank you

[@kunihiko3353]

Thanks for the informative video. How about non-sharp/blunted corners?

[@BrysComics]

That can really hurt the grade depending on how bad. They measure it

[@jimtim35]

I’m going to be sending in some comic books to cgc to get graded for the first time. I heard that it’s best to send in all your potential 9.8 together and not to mix in other books that are not as good of a condition. Is this irrelevant or good advice? Thank you for any info.

[@supermankelly]

What about pen marks? Someone said to me that pen doesn't get marked down. But doesn't sound correct.

[@monstermax6927]

Thank you. This was super informative and helped a lot!

[@Supertomscustoms]

CGC removed their more detailed grading criteria (which was basically Overstreet) a couple years ago because they didn’t want to have to explain themselves when they make mistakes. When they’re looking at anything over an 9.0 it should no longer be subjective. A spine tick is a spine tick. 1/16” is 1/16”. There should be nothing to debate.

[@justinsena2558]

Thanks for all the great info! Very helpful

[@JoseRodriguez-bu6vo]

Well put together, very informative video, thank you

[@Thynqikan]

you all should see the Harley Quinn #1 Hughes variant I have that is in a CGC 9.8 case that has 14 color breaking spine tics. Yes, 14! 2 of the spine ticks are very large, over 1/4" and the other approaches 1/2", the rest are all around 1/8th". I have a cgc 9.6 of the same book that looks far better with no notes from graders. I am baffled why the one copy is a 9.8. Total inconsistency of grading standards and it is very frustrating.

[@james2506]

Super video. Real refreshing content. Subscribed.

[@BrysComics]

Welcome aboard!