Is Tyson Bagent The Answer? | Film Breakdowns | Week 7 vs Las Vegas Raiders!

[@stevef5490]

his footwork and release is so much quicker than fields. man i wish justin was that quick. he'd be ridiculous

[@MarcoLiftz]

He won’t be he showed himself T bag is the man

[@andrebryant5081]

3 years in and he probably never hired a QB guru to train him how to improve his footwork and release to NFL standards.

[@cyberlycans4191]

​@@andrebryant5081wrong he did

[@Greatness001]

He passes the ball quick on a Screen play OMG next Brady

[@FormedVoid]

Facts man if he had the mindset Bagent does he’d be a top 10 QB easily. Too bad

[@fixindan3592]

Thanks for the all-22 film break down. What’s apparent is people saying “the OLine protected Bagent, if only it’d do the same for Fields…” have absolute missed the fact that Bagent had helped the pass protection more than it had helped him. I actually saw the pocket collapsing early and often live and Darnell Wright in particular played like a dog getting bulldozed and getting run around. Sure enough he was the lowest graded player on offense per PFF, and the only reason why he didn’t give up multiple sacks was because Bagent got the ball out under 2 sec. I’m hoping Wright was simply playing with bad legs because my goodness he was stiff and terrible. Borom was also bad and that’s no surprise. As the game progressed Raiders blitzed less and less as they dropped their LBs in coverage because their blitzes couldn’t get to Bagent, and that obviously helped the OLine. I don’t want to bash Fields but I just know he would’ve taken at least 3 more sacks had he played and possibly more when Raiders continue to blitz because why not? That’s what the Vikings did until he was knocked out. Bottom line is a QB absolutely can offset OLine deficiency by playing uptempo and keep defenses on the field and gassed. It’s unfair to give undeserving credit to pass protection when Bagent got the ball out quick and didn’t take sacks, just like it’s unfair to levy blame on the same pass protection when Fields held the ball too long and took sacks.

[@VicInNocal]

Bagent without any practice reps has come in and moved the ball quickly and efficiently in ways Fields couldnt in 30+ starts, and still the Fields cultists refuse to see reality.

[@bizboy5]

Fully agree. Fields is taking a sack at 7:45 where Bagent had perfect footwork and threw it exactly where it needed to go.

[@spencershipley4349]

Yep. In Wright's defense, he injured his shoulder midweek and played through it.

[@spencershipley4349]

​@@bizboy5yep. And a handful more that he would've taken a sack on.

[@jamesnelson8469]

wright played with one arm so credit to him and people gotta stop putting ceilings on someone after one game. You don't need josh Allens arm for 300 yards by the way Bagent has average nfl deep ball strength but id say he has plus strength with reduced windup compared to his peers as he naturally has a shorter throwing motion from shorter arms so he's at a disadvantage with Hail Mary esque throws as the amount of work (energy transfer) is directly proportional to the distance the force operated on, all else being equal. So, 10% longer arms could in theory lead to ten percent more maximum energy transfer to the ball, which conveniently also means ten percent further throw. So 30 inch arms vs 33 inch arms could be difference between 60 and 66. however there's also alot of other variables like muscle insertions fiber type and height (bigger step and more torso range) hand size also helps you spin and roll it more spin more stable and less air drag

[@cameronpoupard9966]

The bears fam loves you Jenkins 🙏💯

[@nickhaynes9833]

Im a fan of both Fields and Bagent. At this point, there needs to be more tape on both. Bagent played well for 1 game, and Fields played well for 2 games. Also, this was probably the best o line play the Bears have had all season.

[@Staymad91]

Line looks better when you don't hold the ball.....

[@jimnaz5267]

WELL SAID @@Staymad91

[@darthrevan611]

@@Staymad91 The screen passes worked too. Ball was out quick and in the receivers hands before the off ball receivers started blocking and the DB's didn't get a chance to sniff the screen out. With Fields, the off ball receivers are already engaged when the ball gets caught, and gives time for the DB's to disengage and blow up the play for a loss or minimal gain.

[@Staymad91]

@@darthrevan611 exactly. I dont think the bears have ever gained positive yardage on a screen play with fields under center

[@acts2097]

How much more tape you need on Fields? He's 6-25. Not saying Bagent is better, but Fields ain't it.

[@TripHop-]

Bagent is foreal, his accuracy and quick release are insane. He is going to be a very consistent QB because its going to be very hard to stop his small ball game. Hes probably not gonna be a 300 yard monster, but hes going to convert 3rd downs and go on long drives, keeping our D fresh and limiting the opponents offenseive possessions.

[@Blackrain7920]

All lies

[@TripHop-]

@@Blackrain7920 you sound pretty insecure there bud.

[@Blackrain7920]

@@TripHop- I don't know u not your bud son

[@MarcoLiftz]

2:13 literally fields can’t make that play 9/10 times he lobs the ball up then the defenders come up and tackle them for a loss…

[@massimomarchionni2262]

Good start, next game will be tougher but I'm excited to see how Tyson will play. Can't wait!

[@skor5079]

Gr8 content, TJ - you're my favorite, QB breakdown weekly!!! Keep up the fire!

[@onlineadvertisingnet]

Bagent balled out! I cannot believe that he was undrafted. 🤯

[@jeffreykirshner8707]

Tim, thanks for the insight. The next test will be how he does against the Chargers.

[@wutduh8697]

The chargers have a terrible pass defense though

[@kadinbeverlin1354]

@@wutduh8697they do have and amazing d line though so we’ll be able to see how comfortable he is in the pocket at least

[@Zone47.]

If KZbin gives me one more classic Tee t-shirt commercial, I swear to god!

[@dansimon8515]

The slant drive play was a TE Screen that Bagent threw hot to Mooney after he read blitz. You see Kmet turn for the pass. That's why the LT went to the second level.

[@christopherconneely8319]

Nice catch on that. Exactly right.

[@rbibbe34]

Bears may have found something here.. it’s brilliant how this kid played. Very exciting

[@j8k3d18]

You’d love any rookie QB, making his first start, to have a game like that. Clean, efficient, and with the drops, should have been 200 yards and 2 tuddys. No turnovers. Too much is being made about Bagent’s arm strength, especially after that case of the yips on the ball to DJ. This kid can sling it - go watch his Shepard tape. Is he Jeff George? No, but he can really make all the throws. His deep outs aren’t gonna have the same zip, but he can get them there. Overall, excellent showing by the kid. He’s got a bright future.

[@gungeek4230]

This scheme fits Bagents skill set, Justin Fields is a play action QB who should have a run pass option on every play. He is a dual threat QB, but instead of catering to our star QB we run an offense designed for Aaron Rodgers 😂lol

[@mec506]

100%

[@gungeek4230]

@@randombiasedrevert RPOs are just one type of concept. The triple option is another concept that could be used to counter the defensive adjustments. We need a run based offense we don’t have the line to throw a lot.

[@TheOtteroo]

If the is not the answer he certainly is the question, because without him,…the wouldn’t be a question,

[@alanleonard8739]

Dude didn’t accidentally get from D2 to starting in the NFL. Clearly willing to put in some hard work and has enough talent to make it worth it.

[@robertwadas]

He had D1 offers that he turned down to stay in home state.

[@robertwadas]

@@Philtration If the Bears had any NFL mid-teir QB, we would have been a contender last year before they dismantled the defense... I know we would have been in playoffs with Mitch.. the guy was 29-13, 2 of 4 years in playoffs. All the negative talk about Trubisky can be discounted by looking at all his numbers and next Gen stats.. Fields was considered Great and only had opinions to back it up, Trubisky was bad because of opinions. The one thing that mattered, in the 5 year span with the Beard, Mitch had the 2nd best winn/loss record in the NFL and we could count on him is last drive games. 87% score rate in 2 min drill.. Justing was 0-9 Mitch had 9 come from behind and 7 game winning drives.

[@rcr-zt4of]

@@robertwadasMitch got to where he was because he was paired with an elite and above average defense. He had better weapons from the start than Fields had. He cannot read coverages either. He has struggled with the Steelers with this exact same problem. He was not the answer.

[@robertwadas]

@@rcr-zt4of None of Mitch's 6 Franchise records has a single thing to do with defense. He was 8-2 in 2020 and his 2 losses happened with the defense allowing 35+ point a game. What did the defense have to do with 75% comp rate and 94 QBR in 2020. What did the defense have to do with him becoming the fastest QB to pass for 10K yards in 2018 ? What did the defense do to make him #1 3rd down conversions throwing in 2018. What did defense do to make him only QB in NFL history to never throw a pick 6 ? What weapons on offense did he have. Well, in 2020 Nick Foles came in with the same team and lost every game he started.. and Mitch went 8-2 and went to playoffs. Defense had nothing to do with his 6 Td, 350yds passing and 50 yds rushing ? 6 Franchise records, 3 NFL records, 1st probowl since Jim M. had nothing to do with defense. What did the defense have to do with his 87% score rate in the 2 min drill. What does defense have to do most passing yards in a playoff ? You are listening to the talking heads. Since Mitch was drafted, 2018-2023, the Bears have won a total of 10 games that he did not start ! Nothing to do with defense

[@rcr-zt4of]

@@robertwadas You are missing context with Mitch’s numbers. First of all Mitch was a Pro Bowl alternate. He’s putting up all these numbers from that make him look like the second coming and he’s still not the starter with the Steelers? As far as 2018 goes this was the first year of the Nagy offense before everyone figured out his scheme that never changed and then started getting more film on Trubisky himself. He didn’t have the field vision, stumbled under pressure and didn’t have the composure to deal with a collapsing pockets. To say he’s the first Pro Bowl QB since McMahon is like saying you are the second winner at the ass kicking contest. The Bears QB history has been atrocious. So mark my words with this, Trubisky will be nothing more than a backup qb the rest of his career and most likely a journeyman going from team to team. If he was as great as you say he would be succeeding in Pittsburgh but I’m sure you will be an apologist on that end as well.

[@GJC327]

Commenting for the algorithm LOL but also appreciate all the break downs Tim!

[@justinmalangoni]

Tim always having indigestion during his breakdowns... love the film analysis.

[@demmefrazier6629]

Needs to change his nutrition plan 😂

[@jamesweston4089]

Thanks for the hard work. Loved it. ❤

[@MeetTheSLAYER]

Yes @ 13:42 look at the smash route to draw the coverage shallow, and hit the outside post for the big gain. That would be something that would have elevated his play bigtime. We would be then having a different conversation.

[@nathanbutlerFightingTheFall]

The play at 10 minuites where you say tyson bailed on the pocket it looks like it was designed for him to go out that way for a chance to run it in, flip it, or throw it away.

[@chrisbarber1020]

Been looking forward to this

[@erichayward3665]

Love the videos Tim. Nice work

[@tomjohns4355]

Keep Bagnent. For once we seen some excitement in a bears game . He played like a professional quarterback

[@rstoflet1217]

I mean, they're not getting rid of him. Fields will start when healthy.

[@MarcoLiftz]

Yes finally & trade bustin

[@MultiDJWILLIS]

So what was the commanders game?

[@SplashIt34]

Someone said earlier the meatball fans are gonna come out and scream for the back up and pronounce his name wrong like always

[@MarcoLiftz]

@@MultiDJWILLIS that was a fluke my friend you think after 27 losses that one game erases all that?

[@kennithstanley9636]

Love the Breakdown Tim

[@cliffvictoria3863]

Great video Tim! Subscribed.

[@christopherconneely8319]

Awesome as always. Thanks Tim.

[@douglaslewis866]

Also, since the folks on this channel are up on Bears news, has Jack Sanborn lost the starting job at LB ? I live in Thailand and can only watch the Highlights. And from what I have seen, he not on the field to often. Thanks

[@MarcoLiftz]

6:06 fields literally can’t make this play either his footwork is terrible & he can’t anticipate throws either

[@JohnDoe-ok8bz]

Idk if he can’t he just doesn’t

[@danielhavoc889]

I think the biggest thing he does better than Fields right now is that, he throws to who he needs to, he doesn't play hero ball, and he DOESNT OUTPLAY HIMSELF, which is one of Fields biggest downsides right now.

[@TripHop-]

facts

[@rickvoigt8720]

Not sure why Peterman rolled left. Looking the play over a few times, it seemed they had enough protection on the right side which would have given him time to get the throw off. Maybe it was a stat thing where nobody wanted to throw a pick. Nice video btw, I just subscribed!

[@alexsosa5727]

At 8:37 he had Cole Kmet wide open for a bigger gain and possibly a TD

[@Lm-hm3kj]

Corner could easily jump that

[@jjc5407]

But Kmet obviously wasn't his first read on the play. As Tim said earlier in the video, you don't pass up a throw. Lewis was the first target, he was open, Bagent hit him, big gain. Executed to perfection.

[@joseortega7911]

That play at 7:30 with the double slants looked like it was a screen to kmet

[@maximo6037]

5:30 I think it was good awareness to get out of there. That pocket was gonna break down next second

[@thedeuce39]

On the first scramble, he drifts a little left on his dropback. Do you think that's by design?

[@kgotter]

Don't get the hype around Bagent He did play a good game, but the O'line carried that game, If it wasn't for the running game, he wouldn't even have 100 yards passing.

[@jarod466]

Great work!

[@dmarcellus]

7:36 Justin Fields can't make these throws...he will spook and his feet engage...and he won't keep his eyes down field...only way he looks down field again is if he escapes outside the pocket and even then he's only got access to one side of the field. He'll almost always panic.

[@jimnaz5267]

perfectly said.

[@kelvinw.1384]

This and that usc qb Caleb does the same thing. Red flags

[@bobdavis6523]

he made the same play vs denver but go off

[@Devil-ev3zm]

Justin fields has made this throw countlessly

[@stevanbajich5483]

hey tim! long time viewer, as a bears fan who has witnessed many videos analyzing quarterbacks who just seem to be “almost, but not quite there”…is there a possibility that we can see a video on how defenses adjust against what we initially try to do and how our game-plan changes ? i feel like we have talent in the quarterback spot but sometimes we don’t adjust to what the defense does and that’s our biggest concern. maybe not, but if ya have any word on the matter, let us know !

[@OD4282]

Don’t forget Tyson he is playing with the sun in his eyes most of his plays! I like your tape breakdown.👍

[@billglueck9705]

Based on a sample size of one game his footwork, release, arm strength and approach to the game remind me of Alex Smith. That could all change after his next start but sample size of 1 his footwork, release, decisions, read progression and leadership and poise are way beyond what one would expect to see from game 1 of one of the best ever DII QBs now an undrafted rookie in the NFL. The kid has been a winner all his life. Winning in the NFL is his dream and as unlikely as it is he is now an NFL winning QB. When you encounter life long winners like this that work hard and are the best at every level they ever play you play them until the reps and opportunities prove they are or are not the truth. Is Bagent going to be a suuccessful NFL QB? Highly unlikely but nobody knows for sure until he is given the starts and its decided on the field. Bagent has been a winner his entire life and you can't measure heart and innate leadership skills and charisma. Let the kid play a few games and see what happens. However it works out he won an NFL game as a two time All American DII QB so good for Tyson!

[@Heathcoatman]

The game was against the Raiders, best to temper expectations based on that. The Bears w ere able to run the ball, which certainly makes the QB job easier. You should wait until Bagent faces a decent defense before anointing Bagent the man.

[@jimnaz5267]

we must always temper expectations. I agee. BUT STOP WASTING ANY MORE TIME ON JUSTIN FIELDS. This is Fields' 3rd F'n year. Fields is a waste of NFL experience time. We fired Mitch Trubisky who was WAY BETTER than Fields. Check the stats.

[@jjc5407]

​@@jimnaz5267Fields had two good games prior to the Vikings debacle where neither he nor the offensive line could cope with the Vikings 70%(!) blitz rate. It was evidence of woeful preparation. Everyone knows the Vikings blitz more than any team in the league and the Bears had 10 days to figure out how to cope with it. Unfortunately due to Fields injury we don't know how he would have faired against the Raiders aided by a stellar game running the ball. The Vikings game may have just been a blip on the road or a regression back to the first 3 weeks of the season. We won't know now until Fields returns. Then we can judge once and for all.

[@kelvinw.1384]

11th best defense is not good I guess

[@brandongeber7767]

Rhythm! Pre snap smarts, Accurate to lead a receiver (yac) friendly)!!! Does anybody remember the greatest show on turf 90% of the passes were within 10 yards of the line look it up. This dude is the real deal and he’s only going to get better.

[@AlexisJade]

Another great breakdown!

[@rstoflet1217]

Ahhhh! You clipped it off on the one play I wanted to see talked about! I thought Tyson could have delivered the ball a little deeper, a little closer to the pylon. If he does that, DJ doesn't have to turn around to catch the ball, the DB would have had less ability to swipe it out of his hands. I get it, it hits DJ - DJ needs to catch it. I just argue it could have been a more perfect pass. 😅

[@JimmyjacobsOG7]

Hes a backup rookie QB he just needs to be okay not perfect lol

[@jimnaz5267]

this is his first NFL start. take a deep breath and enjoy Bagent growing and becoming a top NFL QB. IM SICK OF ALL THE EXCUSES made for Justin

[@rstoflet1217]

@Omar67g @jimnaz5267 Trust me, I'm happy how he did as a backup. I'm just discussing the pass specifically bc I'm curious what he thought. I'm enjoying the win and the Bagent experience until Justin gets back.

[@erickasza6427]

He definitely could have. He'd certainly agree. JF1 threw a similar one that was off & to the left - and was criticized for it. I wonder if they might have some little twist on those (especially with smaller WRS) where the QB is supposed to place the ball counterintuitively over the defender's left shoulder.

[@Jeremy-cg9re]

Crosby had just gotten loose & he saw that on the play you thought he bailed early. Overall great video & i look forward to the next one!

[@Jasper118]

I love fields but I felt the difference in this game were throws like this 8:00. I don’t see Fields throwing a tight coverage slant like that, he would pull it and scramble. I felt like Bagent was really trusting the routes and his arm this game, a lot of NFL window throws

[@jafilly]

Broncos game he did that

[@DrW2023]

He did that vs the broncos. Stop lying

[@Jasper118]

@@DrW2023 he also misses wide open dudes right in front of him every other play. And you mean he did that the first half of the Broncos game

[@DrW2023]

@Jasper118 before you continue to dick suck Bagent, let's see him make passes past 15 yards. JF had several of those passes vs the commanders as well. Bagent air yards per pass was meh. When the chargers adjust to Bagent and he struggles, I'm coming back for your deadass

[@Jasper118]

@@DrW2023 good lord dude calm down. Fields consistently passes up open receivers, I’m assuming because he’s second guessing himself. Sure everyone in a while he’ll close his eyes and throw one into a tight window but it’s few and far between. I don’t mind Bagent playing it safe this game but let’s be honest we ran just as many screens this game as when Fields is in there and when the ball is on time they seem to work. Bagent’s drop backs and footwork are a million times faster than Fields, and he was more willing to let his receivers make plays. I’m a huge Fields fan but I’m tired of making excuses for the dudes glaring drawbacks 3 years in.

[@Perceptious37]

i like how you omit the 3rd down massive plays, but show when a play is on first down. that massive crosser early to 13 was a 3rd down play, and you just omit that. What he does lack is max air yards, which is fairly low for an NFL QB maxing out around 40 maybe 45 air yards. He looks like a more mobile drew brees tbh.

[@TripHop-]

facts

[@grdn33]

Good start. Let’s see if he can keep it up. Not sure it’ll impact the Fields situation. But we have a good back up for now.

[@10Miller25]

fields is a great backup yes

[@grdn33]

@@10Miller25 funny guy

[@adamjohnson5307]

I believe you’re “over coaching” on the play at 5:10. I think he was just being a football player, saw Max Crosby coming and decided to make a play. If Fields does it we’re all gonna praise his athleticism. I don’t see how staying in the pocket gets him more yards than he got running. Getting the crowd pumped up like that isn’t a bad thing either as they got into the redzone. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@dawgdawg3075]

Snaps in the shotgun were much better this week, most of them were right to the right shoulder, so the qb could get into his throwing position right away.

[@brandonterpstra3338]

Robert Schmitz broke down Fields and Bagent 's drop back and Bagent is more around league average, and half a second quicker of 5 and 7 step drops. Idk why fields can't drop back quicker. I feel like it would really help...

[@patcorgs]

Love the breakdown here. As a die hard Bears fan, was really excited with the poise and pocket awareness Tyson showed. I want Justin to be the guy but his lack of pocket awareness leads me to believe he will never succeed in the league long term.

[@big0514]

If bagnet plays well next week even if we lose… good play matters… fields should become your number 2

[@erickasza6427]

His name is Bagent. How hard is that?

[@big0514]

@@erickasza6427 mistakes happen, man what can I say I’m human…

[@mrenglewood_77]

4:20: Do you think that he bailed early because he saw that Maxx Crosby won that particular rep against the rookie Darnell Wright?

[@chrisconley8499]

It wasn’t early it was perfectly timed. Quarter second more and he takes a sack. He saw that white jersey flash in his right periph and took of instantly. That was executed absolutely perfectly

[@michaelkimmons5003]

3:52 this is similar to the play Fields got hurt on last week

[@johnnyboy9461]

This dude is accurate with the ball, reminds me of Drew Brees

[@Keithjhall]

BAGENT looked great in GAME 1!! Hell of a game for an undrafted Rookie!! I want to see more! We have all the tape we need on Fields. He MIGHT get to his second read before he takes off. He's antsy in the pocket and misses wide open receivers when he could simply make a simple maneuver, stay in the pocket and make a throw! Fields doesn't make throws with anticipation, but waits until the receivers get open. He's not the answer. TRADE FIELDS

[@jadizzle9360]

So are you riding with Bagent after 1 game against the Raiders??? Or do you want the Bears to draft a QB #1 overall after trading Fields?? Fields is under contract - You can conceivably keep him and make him the back-up, riding Bagent until the wheels fall off - Trade #1 overall pick similar to what they did this year and add additional talent and future draft capital. In theory the Bears could end up with another top 5 pick in 2025 depending on who they trade with allowing them to draft a QB if needed.

[@Keithjhall]

@@jadizzle9360 I really want to see how Bagent performs against the Chargers. I don't believe Fields is the long-term answer at QB. I don't believe we're making the playoffs this year. Why not give Bagent a shot if he performs well against the Chargers. If so, Trade Fields and draft another QB next year to get more draft capital.

[@marianchicago4002]

With Tyson Bagent playing QB, I see routes that green bay packers and aaron rodgers used to run against the bears.

[@devondoye4684]

I wan t to fully thank Carm for breaking down why we need to stick with JF1. Based on the facts, Tyson Bagent has had SIX YEARS in this offense compared to Fields' two years; and Tyson is just marginally better in recognition. JF1 is the future ✊🏾

[@Jasper118]

Where do you get Bagent has had 6 years in a Shannahan offense? He ran a vertical passing game at Shepherd not a west coast.

[@proudsellout484]

TROLL

[@mc4274]

Some of yaw aren't helping Justin fields when all you can say is he won 2 games vs a rookie who won his first... Comparing a third year qb to a rookie doesn't look good on fields.. I'm just saying

[@CBPfilm]

5:13 so tim are you telling me pageant couldn't make that throw to kemt who was open? Lmaorotmff im going to tag you on Twitter so you can know exactly where he should have thrown the ball.

[@JohnDoe-ok8bz]

The level of bias in you is crazy. Fields had nfl players former and current laughing at his ineptitude in the Vikings game. He had kmet staring at him 6 yards standing still wide open and fields stands their like a deer in the headlights to get sacked and here you are all in a tizzy about the backup being more impressive complaining about little things.

[@CBPfilm]

@JohnDoe-ok8bz your bias towards fields is crazy when you come to my comments lying off rip lmaorotmff 🤣🤣🤣🤣 me point out his mistakes like y'all do fields is too much huh

[@JohnDoe-ok8bz]

@@CBPfilm You don’t have enough of a 🧠 to even waste more than 2 minutes on….I have a boarder collie that reasons better. Justin has been one of the most protected QB’s in the league when it comes to criticisms and here you are all in a tizzy. Go watch some film analysis on Justin and keep that same energy trying to nit pick stuff. The same stuff he does now is why he lost out on QB1 at Georgia to someone not in the nfl. Bears are 6-25 with Justin and 5-5 without him. Wake up. You should know by now reasoning isn’t your strong suit so stay in your lane.

[@CBPfilm]

@JohnDoe-ok8bz he's been one of the most what? Protected? See now going to respect anything else you had to say. I'm just going to call you a racist lair and keep it moving. Because you have no idea what you're talking about 🖕🏿

[@composerchris]

Tim, if you're asking if Bagent is the answer, does that mean you're OUT on Fields?

[@CALIchitown]

Getsy failed to draw up blocking schemes and protection for JF against the Vikings. This game he game planned well for Bagent and were able to establish the run early.

[@MarcoLiftz]

Stop w the excuses bustin can’t read the d or throw fast his drop back is hella slow too

[@baaad33kitty]

​@@MarcoLiftzhater 😂😂😂

[@SplashIt34]

@@baaad33kittyhe’s on every video the past day about Fields hating multiple channels

[@andrebryant5081]

Year 3 QB Justin Fields should have command of the offense to change plays to max protection

[@spaceghost8995]

Good QBs can handle the blitz protections . Good QBs throw to the hot read or audible to a run even. If I were the opponents I would blitz Fields on every play until he proves he can deal with it.

[@ronaldk.wileyjr.5476]

Having 12000, in game, passing yds...Post highschool has to contribute to some refinement at QB. It's evident in his footwork & release.

[@fixindan3592]

Bagent may not be the answer if he has no deep ball accuracy. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t, I haven’t seen it so I don’t know. What I do know is without vertical threat teams will simply drop LBs back in coverage and pull up safeties to crowd the field and take away the underneath stuff. To be successful in this league a QB has to be able to play both ways; get the ball out quickly when he’s getting blitzed and take shots downfield when LBs drop back and safeties pull up. Fields can take shots downfield but hasn’t shown he’s able to dink and dunk instead of taking sacks while Bagent seems like the polar opposite of him. If only we can mash the two of them together…

[@juliusmelendez5734]

Drop Linebackers in coverage and then the Bears will pound the rock on the ground for a 5-7 yard gain.

[@bizboy5]

But if you had a choice: A guy who can read D....and throw short quick accurate balls....and get less accurate after 35 yards. or A guy who can't read D....doesn't have the greatest touch....but can blast a bullseye from 60 yards out? The 2nd guys isn't winning anything but a big man on campus contest IMO

[@fixindan3592]

@@juliusmelendez5734 that’s what we did against the Raiders, but that doesn’t always work, especially against good Ds that can stop the run with just the front 4. Your QB still has to be able to hit a couple downfield to spread out the D and keep safeties honest.

[@fixindan3592]

@@bizboy5 you’re asking me to pick between Mac Jones and Cam Newton. Well… if that’s the only options I have then I suppose I’ll pick Mac, but I really don’t want either dude, and I really doubt Patriots are sticking with Mac beyond this season.

[@RESPECTLAW_2]

I would go for the second guy for sure @@bizboy5

[@CBPfilm]

15:30 so you're not going to talk about the placement of this ball? Okay

[@Copesthetic-Aesthetic]

Athleticism, and talent will only take you so far. Without poise, and the ability to command the offense those other two are useless. "Tyson Bagent" Showed poise, command, talent, and athleticism. I don't care if he has a cannon. His passing was fine, and will definitely get better. His energy, and confidence infected the team. Were Fields demeanor seems to do the opposite. Jim McMahon wasn't a gun slinger either. He got the job done, and was the glue that held the offense together. He kept the game light when it would get intense. I think Tyson could be that guy.

[@JohnDoe-ok8bz]

Tyson said in the press conference he has a “cannon” and believes he has a very strong arm. We will see

[@dmarcellus]

16:24 show me where Justin has ever done this.

[@cyberlycans4191]

You're crazy bro, I'm not saying Bajan doesn't have really clean footwork compared to fields, but Fields has done something like this exact play dozens and dozens of times, are you kidding me?! A little roll out, hitting somebody up the seam while on the run?! In fact he was the number one quarterback throwing qbr on designed rollouts, and he finished it up with a top five qbr when throwing on the run last year. That really was a silly remark

[@robertwadas]

Fields played good for the first 1/2 of 2 games. People seem to forget he got within field goal rang 4 total times in the 2nd half of both games combined.

[@erickasza6427]

For some reason the defense often seems to start getting tired and gives up Bear leads when JF1 is playing QB. Why do you think that is?

[@robertwadas]

@@erickasza6427 It could have something to do with the offense ranks 29th in time of posession, 7 starters injured, a lot of back up players out there and there seems to be a lot of injuries in the game. I don't think they give up. Fields has had 9 chances to tie or win game on last drive, which means the defense made it a 1 posession game. Fields is 0-9 on the 2 min dril in scoring. Look at his last 2 Start before he got hurt.. They claim these were great games but if you looked at the 2nd 2nd half's he got the team into field goal rage a combined 4 times.. He only played good in the 1st half and he was terrible inn the second hals of his "break-through" games.

[@erickasza6427]

That's what I was getting at for sure. @@robertwadas

[@flabearsfan6698]

Tim, love Bagent (an he does have a cannon of an arm) Getsy needs to do a better job of playcalling confused on a lot of what he does, but Bagent seems to be able to work with it hopefully against the chargers they will let him light it up and sling the rock because he can do that, very confused about the end of the first half with Peterman throwing the ball I don’t get it. It will be interesting to see the game plan against the Chargers…..🐻🔽

[@erickasza6427]

Peterman is mr. youtube trick shot and does have a good arm. I think they realized it was a long shot and just wanted to have fun with it, TBH. I don't think it had anything to do with Bagent.

[@bergy4367]

I think this game was more of to see what he can do can he read the defense or make quick decision plays. If he can throw the deep ball and play well against the Chargers next week what's the excuse for Fields I don't care If Fields is more athletic or can throw 60 yard bombs If Bagent wins games play him. I'm not saying Bagent is the next Brock Purdy but see where It goes people want to nitpick how his throws weren't bombs down the field but from what I seen he played smart efficient football did what he needed to do to help the bears win the game.

[@theceej7]

On the roll for bagent. Put the ball in 2 chest

[@freeflyer6170]

I love Justin, would love to see him succeed. ……but, but, but, this guy……processes so much quicker. It’s not even a contest, saw it in preseason and thought wow. Someone that can read defense, I know, it’s only one game but I think he has earned a second start. The NFL all about speed…..not just physical, but also between the ears. With a little more experience, this cat will fly!

[@Devil-ev3zm]

This just isn't true.

[@Jackburtonsays]

I’ve been saying since preseason we got this seasons Brock Purdy

[@Deeznutz705]

Yeah right 😂😂😂😂

[@TripHop-]

i like purdy and i honestly think bagent can be better.

[@douglaslewis866]

Well the news media does it again. They are trying to create a QB controversy between Bagent and Fields. The unwritten rule is when the starter is injured and then returns, he is once again the starter. In most case that may not happen if the Backup is leading a team to a win streak.....then there is an issue. What has occurred is a lot of conjecture to promote a contrived controversy to get eyes on the Sport Talk shows. This in turn allows a fan base to make comments which creates a vehicle for a form of entertainment. Everyone has their favorite show and receive enjoyment from listening to what the talking heads have to say. Even though in most cases it is predictable. One Monday listen to four or five shows and see the content is quite repetitive. It just sounds different since some sports commentators are more charismatic than others. The guys on the Tape are very entertaining as is the After the Show - Show as well as Kaps new show. Some others are good but lack personalities. However, some people like the straight scoop without the excitement

[@MadHattered]

Tim your a real mensch. Thanks bro!

[@fleadoggreen9062]

How much is bagent getting paid ?

[@newnewjohnson4776]

AS A JF1 SUPER FAN IM DREADING WATCHING THIS SIGHSSSSSSSS 😔🤦🏾

[@jamesnelson8469]

It least your honest 🐻⬇️

[@johnklaer2626]

its not about Bagent. Its more telling about Fields. Just switch QBs and see what happens...In terms of the Raiders being marginal, but they have won three games

[@thatoneguy3284]

What we have seen happen is QBs loose confidence and the locker room.

[@TahitianTreatt]

they had tYSON do a million underneath passes. and it was vs a lower rank pass rush/defense. the bears defense, rushing and solid OL play dictated the win more than anything. those 3 areas being solid also helped during Justins 2 good games. its too early to say Tyson should win the job after pre szn vs 3rd stringers, 2 quarters vs a almost last placed Vikings pass defense and safe passes vs the raiders. anyone thats looking at this saying Tyson should get the job RIGHT NOW arent making the request based off anything football related. u make the choice to move on or not after the szn is over. once Justin is in his final contract year. then u just trade during the off szn, draft or whatever.

[@wewinninrecords2001]

How many games would Bagent win if Bears defense gave up 25pts or more for a NFL record 15 games in a row 4-25 😅 ppl stop being manipulative ...name a games where Fields opponent had 6pts until late 4th quarter show me the game because i swear most games this yr Bears where down 14-0 before second quarter because of defense not Qb also let's see a game where everything is on Bagent passing no consistent running game like coach does Fields put Bagent in shotgun entire game and run play action 😂like they do Fields ....Foreman had as many rushing tds a Bagent has passing and i like Bagent but some ppl are doing a Shea McClellan 😅trust

[@shermanwright6182]

I don't think we can say that with just one game

[@robertwadas]

He was offered Div 1 scholarships.

[@alexgasiamis8102]

Mechanics don’t bother you ? Arm angle seems low

[@DonDizzz]

People want "this gameplan" for Fields. JUSTIN ISN'T GOOD AT QUICK GAME! His release is long and slow and he struggles with short area accuracy. That's just not what he's good at. He's tried to improve it but it hasn't gotten better.

[@purplemoosecashmoney]

I just have to say im happy that fields isnt selling anymore

[@CBPfilm]

13:54 it's hard to be mad when he missed Mooney for a bigger play? This is the 2nd play you gave him a pass for when you would've saud justin has to see it and hit it come on now lol.

[@JohnDoe-ok8bz]

Is Bagent in year 2 of the system? No he had a week of reps. He was the scout qb before that, and before that third string. Also, this guy has been a HUGE fields fan. He pulled many punches on fields.

[@CBPfilm]

@JohnDoe-ok8bz lmaorotmff 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ohhhh so now he needs time okay. This is how I know people like you don't know football y'all were criticized Justin fields for being there 2 years yet it takes time to learn the offense. But I thought it was plug and play? Now look at you a throw that you would have killed Justin for not making you will most definitely pass off for bagent.

[@CBPfilm]

@JohnDoe-ok8bz yall aren't fields fans stop saying that talking about he holds punches what? No he doesn't stfu yall have no idea what yall talking about.

[@JohnDoe-ok8bz]

@@CBPfilm Woke, soft AI deleting my comment. I have a lot to say but I guess I have to be extra nice. You are hella biased (we both know why). We all rooted for Justin, but we lose more when he plays than when he doesn’t (6-25 vs 5-5). You just aren’t at all…….SxMxAxRxT. You should know that by now though. 🤫🤫🤫🤫

[@CBPfilm]

@@JohnDoe-ok8bz I'm biased but yall are over here overrated a mediocre D2 college player but okay

[@nobodybutme2]

The answer for what?

[@josemontejano4811]

Does bajent has a strong arm

[@TheBronxBomber]

Love bagent

[@russjen5012]

This is one game seriously lets take a step back from the edge for a moment. Bears offensive line absolutely dominated a Raiders team that appeared to miss the memo that they were supposed to try during this game.

[@christopherg5950]

OLs tend to play better when they are no longer having to hold blocks for 5 seconds for QBs like Fields who hold the ball forever.

[@erickasza6427]

Like the other response said, there's some chicken vs egg here. The Oline was better with Jenk on the right and Cody out of C. They were better. BUT it is also true that Bagent really helped them out. I've watched the game 3 times now, and there were a good handful of times where Bagent avoided pressures and even sacks by being very aware & getting rid of it quickly (ususally to someone who might even make a play). He made that line better, and like Tim Jenkins said over & over "it cannot be overstated how important that quick release is".

[@gund2281]

If we could combine Bagents decision making and footwork with Fields' arm and athleticism? My goodness you'd have one of the greatest QBs ever. Problem I have with Bagent is that 1) this was a bad defense 2) the ball moves SO SLOW in the air. He clearly doesn't have the arm strength to be a long-term NFL starter. There's tape on him now, teams are going to take his favorite things away now. He's going to HAVE to push the ball downfield Sunday.

[@erickasza6427]

This is false. At the combine he had the 2nd fasted mph on the ball of all the QBs. And Bear receivers have remarked that "the kid can really spin it" (if you know what that means). He throws at the speed he needs to, to get the ball where it needs to be on time. That is called having great tough. It is high functioning, and a trait some QBS like Mitch "I can only throw fastballs" Trubisky can only dream about.

[@gund2281]

@@erickasza6427 yeah I'm watching it live. An that ball flutters a LOT.

[@TripHop-]

tf? the ball doesn't move SO SLOW in the air. Maybe youre just used to Justin who has a rocket but Bagent's arm is not weak whatsoever.

[@cameronazadi6781]

First bears win at soilder field since like September 2022. QB touches ball every play. Nough said

[@brafish]

None of those quick passes would have been possible if Whitehair was still snapping the ball.

[@erickasza6427]

That is definitely a problem when he's in there. But it is the compact expedited release that this kid demonstrated that is so good.

[@censored1360]

For Back up QB I like him to replace JF1 NO THANKS kid has a noodle arm and now NFL has tape on him next week may be real ugly after they adjust

[@JohnDoe-ok8bz]

58mph is a noodle arm huh

[@stephenmartin6461]

Dude was throwing 5 yard passes. If somehow the bears rally around a guy that can not throw the ball 50 yards without a fair catch their stupidity finds a new low.

[@jjc5407]

It was the game plan. We don't yet know how Bagent will fair when he's required to throw more intermediate passes or throw in the occasional deep shot.

[@kelvinw.1384]

Shows how little you research and talk out of the side out of your mouth. Look at his old college plays. He can throw downfield but the gameplan on Sunday was conservative

[@user-is2sb3fj6j]

The whole team played better from proper qb play

[@Ai3turk2]

All throws to the flats =kyle orton none of those deep ass routes they call for Justin that’s why it’s coming out so quick if. Fields threw all flats and 5 yards passes y’all say he cant throw can’t read the defense he needs all one read plays smh people act like they ain’t got eyes and think it’s the same play calling smh he did what a backup is supposed to do that’s it a solid one

[@ericthurman1050]

gb game. literally happened like that

[@Ai3turk2]

@@ericthurman1050 same game just more incompletions and bad defense

[@andrebryant5081]

Keep on crying

[@ericthurman1050]

@@Ai3turk2 exactly

[@orderofthedragon3109]

They ran the same gameplan Fields does, minus the designed QB runs. Fields has more than established the fact that he is not capable of making the quick reads, quick throws, or anticipating the routes consistently.

[@captainwails3621]

Rock!