Did Uthman's Mushafs Contain All of the Seven Ahruf? (هل تشتمل المصاحف العثمانية على الأحرف السبعة؟)

[@AlMiftahulIslam]

🔰Lesson 11: The Mushafs and the Seven Ahruf 🎯Did the Mushafs of Uthman(may Allah be pleased with him) have the Seven Ahruf? Ans: The answer depends on what do you mean by the seven Ahruf. So, depending on the definition there are three views regarding it. 📑The first view is that the Mushafs only contained the Harf of the Quraish.(1:20) (2:30)- Their first argument is the speech of Uthman(may Allah be pleased with him) (3:25)- Their second argument (4:20)(5:40)(6:20)- The response to their arguments 👈 📑The second view is that the Mushafs contained all the seven Ahruf(6:50) Their first argument is that the Ummah can't reject any Harf that was sent down from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. The also argued that the Mushafs of Uthman(may Allah be pleased with him) was copied from the Mushaf of Abu Bakr(may Allah be pleased with him).(8:00) (9:08)- Their refutations 👈 📑The third view is that the Mushafs of Uthman(may Allah be pleased with him) contained the last and final verses of the Qur'aan that ware sent down to this Ummah.(12:00) This is the view held by overwhelming majority of scholars. (13:55)(14:40)(15:10)- Their arguments regarding their view. And Allah knows the best.

[@consciousmuslim2599]

«صحيح البخاري» (6/ 183 ط السلطانية): 4987 - حَدَّثَنَا ‌مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا ‌إِبْرَاهِيمُ ، حَدَّثَنَا ‌ابْنُ شِهَابٍ أَنَّ ‌أَنَسَ بْنَ مَالِكٍ حَدَّثَهُ: «أَنَّ حُذَيْفَةَ بْنَ الْيَمَانِ قَدِمَ عَلَى عُثْمَانَ، وَكَانَ يُغَازِي أَهْلَ الشَّأْمِ فِي فَتْحِ إِرْمِينِيَةَ وَأَذْرَبِيجَانَ مَعَ أَهْلِ الْعِرَاقِ، فَأَفْزَعَ حُذَيْفَةَ اخْتِلَافُهُمْ فِي الْقِرَاءَةِ، فَقَالَ حُذَيْفَةُ لِعُثْمَانَ: يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، أَدْرِكْ هَذِهِ الْأُمَّةَ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْتَلِفُوا فِي الْكِتَابِ، اخْتِلَافَ الْيَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارَى، فَأَرْسَلَ عُثْمَانُ إِلَى حَفْصَةَ: أَنْ أَرْسِلِي إِلَيْنَا بِالصُّحُفِ نَنْسَخُهَا فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ ثُمَّ نَرُدُّهَا إِلَيْكِ، فَأَرْسَلَتْ بِهَا حَفْصَةُ إِلَى عُثْمَانَ، فَأَمَرَ زَيْدَ بْنَ ثَابِتٍ، وَعَبْدَ اللهِ بْنَ الزُّبَيْرِ، وَسَعِيدَ بْنَ الْعَاصِ، وَعَبْدَ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنَ الْحَارِثِ بْنِ هِشَامٍ، فَنَسَخُوهَا فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ، وَقَالَ عُثْمَانُ لِلرَّهْطِ الْقُرَشِيِّينَ الثَّلَاثَةِ: إِذَا اخْتَلَفْتُمْ أَنْتُمْ وَزَيْدُ بْنُ ثَابِتٍ فِي شَيْءٍ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ فَاكْتُبُوهُ بِلِسَانِ قُرَيْشٍ، فَإِنَّمَا نَزَلَ بِلِسَانِهِمْ، فَفَعَلُوا، حَتَّى إِذَا نَسَخُوا الصُّحُفَ فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ رَدَّ عُثْمَانُ الصُّحُفَ إِلَى حَفْصَةَ، وَأَرْسَلَ إِلَى كُلِّ أُفُقٍ بِمُصْحَفٍ مِمَّا نَسَخُوا، وَأَمَرَ بِمَا سِوَاهُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ فِي كُلِّ ‌صَحِيفَةٍ ‌أَوْ ‌مُصْحَفٍ ‌أَنْ ‌يُحْرَقَ» Did uthman (r) burned the Quran or not , what is your opinions regarding this hadith

[@mahmoud2202]

SHUT UP U FOOLS! THE QURAAN WAS REVEALED IN ONE DIALECT, WHICH WAS THE PROPER DIALECT (THE QURAISH's), WHICH WAS THE TONGUE OF THE PROPHET a.s:- سُوۡرَةُ إبراهیم وَمَآ أَرۡسَلۡنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا بِلِسَانِ قَوۡمِهِۦ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمۡ‌ۖ فَيُضِلُّ ٱللَّهُ مَن يَشَآءُ وَيَهۡدِى مَن يَشَآءُ‌ۚ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ (٤) Surah Ibrahim We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves stray those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, Full of Wisdom. (4) ----------- سُوۡرَةُ مَریَم فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرۡنَـٰهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لِتُبَشِّرَ بِهِ ٱلۡمُتَّقِينَ وَتُنذِرَ بِهِۦ قَوۡمً۬ا لُّدًّ۬ا (٩٧) Surah Maryam So have We made the (Qur'an) easy in thine own tongue, that with it thou mayest give Glad Tidings to the righteous and warnings to people given to contention. (97) ---------- سُوۡرَةُ الدّخان فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرۡنَـٰهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَتَذَڪَّرُونَ (٥٨) Surah Ad-Dukhan Verily, We have made this (Qur'an) easy, in thy tongue, in order that they may give heed. (58) ========== AS U IDIOTS KNOW THAT, VARIOUS DIALECTS TWIST THE MEANING OF SOME VERSES, AND SOMETIMES GIVE CONTRADICTIVE MEANING U IGNORANT FOOL MUSLIM, NOT UNDERSTANDING/COMPREHENDING YOUR QURAAN, SO TO SERVE CERTAIN IDEOLOGY. * WOE TO BLOODY U!

[@Taab1578]

@@mahmoud2202 guess u reject the hadiths explaining the 7 dialects. Rejecting a revelation sent down is kufr.

[@HakimJamil94]

​@@mahmoud2202 Man, you really need to understand the words لسان and قوم

[@istiaquebeenkhurshid9892]

@@mahmoud2202 that's where you are wrong - they DO NOT CONTRADICT

[@sephatu6521]

Probably one of the most clear explanation to this. Jazakallah khair. Also great for mentioning the sources as well.

[@abdulbasit-cn9ek]

12:47 what did he mean by final version?

[@israfilangel8062]

​@@abdulbasit-cn9ek he was talking about the last sitting of the prophet peace be upon him when he was visited by the Angel Jibreel for the last time before the prophet peace be upon him passed away, so he recited the Qur’an upon him in its final form which is the one that we have now without the abrogated verses etc.

[@asifuzzaman924]

Brother, there are many atheists and ex muslim are propagating many doubts about islam. Many muslims are seeing their videos and start doubting due to less responses. There are few brothers who are refuting them but this is not enough. Please respond to those questions.Brother Farid responds, abdullah al andalusi and some of them are doing but more people should come in this field. For the sake of ALLAH give effort in this field with other scholars like you. May ALLAH give you success.

[@interqward1]

Yeah Farid - Gangu Teli, as Mufti Abu Layth calls him. Oh he will really help you - 'the reason there is no independent report about the moon being split in two is because... ...most people were asleep at night.' Oh, nice one, Gangu Teli! lol

[@critikzplayz8119]

@@interqward1 Have you even Farid's full video on that, or re you just cutting what he said? lmao get out.

[@interqward1]

@@critikzplayz8119 Yes, I took him 'our of context' and also, everything he said has been corrupted, or and I also 'misinterpreted has nonsense,' and, let me think, what else... ...I have a dark heart. Meanwhile, Murad, Joe, Mel and Jay Smith have absolutely OBLITERATED Islam this year. Notwithstanding that Sheikh Yasir Qadhi began the shovel work very manfully. LOL No matter how much 'machine-guy fast Arabic' Abdulrahman Hassan here can fire off, it's a waste of time. Islam is an utterly false religious ideology flowing from Umar when he tried to re-write the Babylonian Talmud into Syriac and Syro-Arabic. Full of holes. 2021 - Islam is finished.

[@critikzplayz8119]

@@interqward1 Oh no, we are done for sure. 😂

[@critikzplayz8119]

@@interqward1 Also show me references, where did you get that last bit of information from about Umar copying from the Talmud.

[@thegreatmind9178]

The holy Qur'an ,our honour our blessed book. important lectures for us to learn on our Quran from our sheikhs. اللهم جعلنا من اهل القرآن

[@AlMiftahulIslam]

Yes, the Glorious Quran is an hounour and a blessing from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala to all of the humanity.

[@mahmoud2202]

SHUT UP U FOOLS! THE QURAAN WAS REVEALED IN ONE DIALECT, WHICH WAS THE PROPER DIALECT (THE QURAISH's), WHICH WAS THE TONGUE OF THE PROPHET a.s:- سُوۡرَةُ إبراهیم وَمَآ أَرۡسَلۡنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا بِلِسَانِ قَوۡمِهِۦ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمۡ‌ۖ فَيُضِلُّ ٱللَّهُ مَن يَشَآءُ وَيَهۡدِى مَن يَشَآءُ‌ۚ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ (٤) Surah Ibrahim We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves stray those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, Full of Wisdom. (4) ----------- سُوۡرَةُ مَریَم فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرۡنَـٰهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لِتُبَشِّرَ بِهِ ٱلۡمُتَّقِينَ وَتُنذِرَ بِهِۦ قَوۡمً۬ا لُّدًّ۬ا (٩٧) Surah Maryam So have We made the (Qur'an) easy in thine own tongue, that with it thou mayest give Glad Tidings to the righteous and warnings to people given to contention. (97) ---------- سُوۡرَةُ الدّخان فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرۡنَـٰهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَتَذَڪَّرُونَ (٥٨) Surah Ad-Dukhan Verily, We have made this (Qur'an) easy, in thy tongue, in order that they may give heed. (58) ========== AS U IDIOTS KNOW THAT, VARIOUS DIALECTS TWIST THE MEANING OF SOME VERSES, AND SOMETIMES GIVE CONTRADICTIVE MEANING U IGNORANT FOOL MUSLIM, NOT UNDERSTANDING/COMPREHENDING YOUR QURAAN, SO TO SERVE CERTAIN IDEOLOGY. * WOE TO BLOODY U!

[@thegreatmind9178]

Ma shaa Allah jazakallahukheir sheikh. May Allah bless you in life abundantly. Indeed a beneficial Islamic knowledge series.

[@judochopdat5369]

Bottom line: The Quran has been perfectly preserved. Evidence: It contains not a single contradiction.

[@yusranrazi2414]

Great info ustadzh...barakallahu fiik

[@purplerain2205]

JazakAllahKheir I'd like to see actual examples of the 7 different forms of Ahruf found in each of the mushafs of Uthman ... Please provide examples InshaAllah

[@anmfarhan6867]

check his channel, few episodes ago he did a podcast with sheikh who mastered all the 10 qiraat. in that podcast lots of examples are given.

[@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651]

@@anmfarhan6867 please give us the link. jazakAllaah khoir

[@mahmoud-quran]

@@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHSucoKQgtxjra8

[@JoBlogz]

Salam - but didn't Ibn Mas‛ud reject Nas and Falaq as being a part of the Qur’an?

[@yxccxy11]

I don't understand two simple things: if the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had the Quran revealed in 7 Ahrufs then how can Uthman have all 7 Ahrufs in one Quran? There should be 7 individual Korans in one Ahruf or not? The second question: Why did Uthman take the Quran from Abu Bakr and not the Prophet's, one would like to tell us that the Prophet did not have a written Quran? It would be nice if someone could explain this to me

[@ahsana9793]

7 ahrufs had the same consonantal skeleton, but we're recited different, in some dialects they did used to write it differently, however uthmaan Ra made it so that they only use one form of writing to recite their dialect. Rasoolullah ﷺ didn't have it compiled into a mushaf in his time, it was written but on leaves and bone and wood etc, but it wasn't compiled, during kbilaafa of Abu bakr Ra, he compiled all the leaves and bones etc and had the quran written as a mushaf, there were very stringent conditions for this compilation and all the sahaaba at the time (a lot who had memorised the quran) had to agree to the verses.

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته بارك الله فيك يا أخي الكريم I have never read any evidence that proves that the mushaf or Abi Bakr رضي الله عنه contained the seven Ahruf. Do you have any evidence on that?

[@Wakobear.]

جزاك الله خيرًا

[@authenticseerah]

15:00 There is nothing authentic or even weak to say that Uthman (رضي الله عنه) burned the notes/copies having the other Ahruf.

[@markward3981]

السلام عليكم This is a subtle but very important point as some scholars seeking to the explain the difficult concept of Ahruf and Qiraat to layman have made statements suggesting the Uthaman (Radi Allahu Anhu ) got rid of Quran . That made no sense to me when I heard some day it. By saying anyone got rid of Ahruf you are saying they got rid of or abandoned Quran. That is incorrect and creates a theological issues. May Allah protect us.

[@ramialmalky]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@KidCavi]

Surah As-Saffat (37:12), has two distinct readings in the Hafs and Warsh recitations, which lead to theological implications due to their differing subjects of amazement. The Two Recitations: Hafs vs. Warsh 1. Hafs Recitation (Most Common): • Arabic: “بَلْ عَجِبْتُ وَيَسْخَرُونَ” • Transliteration: “Bal ʿAjibtu wa-yasakhirūn.” • Translation: “But I (Allah) am amazed, and they mock.” • Key Subject: The word ʿAjibtu (عَجِبْتُ, “I am amazed”) refers to Allah. 2. Warsh Recitation: • Arabic: “بَلْ عَجِبْتَ وَيَسْخَرُونَ” • Transliteration: “Bal ʿAjibta wa-yasakhirūn.” • Translation: “But you (O Muhammad) are amazed, and they mock.” • Key Subject: The word ʿAjibta (عَجِبْتَ, “You are amazed”) refers to Muhammad. Differences Between the Recitations 1. Grammatical Subject: • Hafs Recitation: The verb ʿAjibtu (“I am amazed”) uses the first-person singular pronoun -tu, which explicitly refers to Allah. • Warsh Recitation: The verb ʿAjibta (“You are amazed”) uses the second-person singular pronoun -ta, which refers to Muhammad. 2. Theological Implications: • Hafs: • Attributes amazement to Allah, which raises theological concerns: • Amazement implies surprise or encountering the unexpected, qualities inconsistent with Allah’s omniscience. • Anthropomorphism: Describing Allah with human-like emotions (e.g., amazement) contradicts Islamic principles of transcendence. • Warsh: • Attributes amazement to Muhammad, which aligns better with traditional Islamic theology since Muhammad, as a human, can naturally experience surprise or amazement. 3. Contextual Flow: • The Warsh recitation aligns with the surrounding verses, where the disbelievers’ mocking is directed toward Muhammad. In this context, it makes sense for Muhammad to be amazed at their rejection of truth. • The Hafs recitation shifts the focus to Allah, introducing theological tensions regarding divine emotions. Why This Difference Is Problematic 1. Contradictory Theological Implications • The Hafs recitation challenges Allah’s omniscience and immutability: • Amazement implies a reaction to an unforeseen or extraordinary event, which is incompatible with Allah’s knowledge of all things. • Islamic theology rejects attributing human emotions to Allah, as stated in Surah Ash-Shura (42:11): “There is nothing like unto Him.” • The Warsh recitation avoids these issues by attributing amazement to Muhammad, who, as a human, can naturally feel surprise or shock. 2. Linguistic and Doctrinal Ambiguity • If both recitations are considered valid, they create conflicting theological narratives: • Hafs: Allah expresses amazement. • Warsh: Muhammad expresses amazement. • These differences are significant enough to influence interpretations of Allah’s nature and Muhammad’s role, undermining the Quran’s claim to perfect clarity: • Surah Hud (11:1): “This is a Book whose verses are perfected and then explained in detail from [one who is] Wise and Acquainted.” 3. Implications for Quranic Inerrancy • Muslims believe the Quran is preserved and free of contradictions: • Surah An-Nisa (4:82): “Then do they not reflect upon the Quran? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.” • However, the differences between Hafs and Warsh raise questions: • If Allah “praying” is problematic, why does one recitation include it? • If both are valid, how can the Quran avoid contradictory meanings? Reactions by Islamic Scholars 1. Defense of Both Readings: • Scholars argue that both recitations are valid, as they are part of the seven canonical readings (Qira’at). • They claim the Hafs reading refers to Allah’s “condemnation” rather than literal amazement, while the Warsh reading reflects Muhammad’s emotional reaction. 2. Preference for Warsh: • Some scholars and translators lean toward the Warsh recitation to avoid the theological complications of attributing amazement to Allah. 3. Use of Tafwid: • When confronted with theological issues in the Hafs recitation, scholars often invoke tafwid (consigning the meaning to Allah alone), sidestepping the need for explanation. Conclusion The difference between the Hafs and Warsh recitations of Surah As-Saffat (37:12) highlights a significant theological issue: 1. The Hafs recitation, attributing amazement to Allah, challenges core Islamic doctrines of omniscience and transcendence. 2. The Warsh recitation, attributing amazement to Muhammad, avoids these issues and aligns with Islamic theology. 3. The existence of such differences raises questions about Quranic inerrancy and clarity, especially when these variations lead to contradictory understandings of Allah’s nature. Ultimately, the tension reflects broader challenges within the doctrine of Quranic preservation and the coexistence of multiple, differing recitations.

[@tooblindtofinehome1]

The translation of عَجِبْتُ ('Ajibtu) is not a literal one attributed to Allah. Allah himself is not amazed, but this is Allah saying that that the denial of the Quran by the polytheists is an amazing act. Not that it is surprising to him or amazing to him, but that it is bold, brazen, ect. You can check out tasfeers albaghawi, tantawi, qurtubi, and others. Some translations do not use "amazing" here, they use "wonder", and the same applies here. It is not Allah who wonders how they polytheists deny the Quran, but it is a wonder how they deny. Other translations use "astonoshing". Again, the same applies here. It is not Allah who is astonished, but it is an astonishing act that the polytheists deny the Quran. Lets look at another example. The word "Amazed" is also used in the following hadith: The Messenger of Allah said: “Verily, your Lord is amazed at a youth who does not incline towards his desires.” (‘Silsilat al-Ahadith as-Sahihah’, Number 2843) The word for amazed here is this: يَعْجَبُ َ (YAjabu) We do not take this use of amazed to be literal. Allah is not amazed at a youth but rather this hadith is saying that it is an amazing act that a youth does not incline towards his desires. It is more a way of Allah saying that this action is great, grand, ect. I appreciate you being thorough and pushing more muslims to increase their knowledge (whether unintentionally or not), however there is no theological issue at hand. This is because there is no issue of understanding Allah's essence. Allah's essence is clear that he is all knowing. So when we approach things that we may not understand (i.e. Translations of different modes of the revealed Quran), it is obvious that we will not conclude with a result that refutes what we know. We cannot interpret something to refute things we know firmly. At that point, we will know our interpretation is wrong, or there is more to the interpretation. May Allah guide us all.

[@parvizdawah2641]

2nd one is float for sure because there are couple hadithes in al bukhari volume 7 if im not mistaken. one young sahaba said to Uthman ibn Affan r.a.a o uncle we know those verses abrogated why dont you just miss them. and response of Uthman ibn Affan r.a.a was o my nephew i’ll never take any verses out even if they are abrogated because there are still kalam of Allah swt. and Allah swt knows best

[@housse51]

Alhamdulillah thumma alhamdulillah.. jazakallah khairan ya ustadh

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

This was difficult to follow.

[@suleimanomipidan8012]

@ Al-Madrasatu Al-Umariyyah, Jazakumullah khaiyran for your lending contribution. The following questions arose from this video: 1. That if differences arose in the written format of the Quran as mentioned, then it should be written in Quraish. If writing in Quraish takes precedence, then obviously it would be pronounced in Quraishi dialect and no other. What is your response to this? 2. If the 5 Mashaf sent out contained the 7-ahruf in scattered fashion, how this contrast with the idea that the written format was in accordance with the Qureishi dialect? What did Uthman commanded to be burnt, note books of some of the sahabas? What exactly was Ibn Mas’uud (May Allah be pleased with him) objecting to?

[@ivarvoorel3590]

maybe we should also look from other place, one of my friends is actually person who memorized with all 7 ahruuf/qiraat. and i asked him about this particular series, he told that Uthman sent 7 Qurans and with all Ahruf/Qiraat. indeed Almighty and Powerful Who Never fail His Promises told us that He will Preserve the Quran, and as of hadith states Quran = 7 ahruuf. + my friend also told, that there is a chain of "narrators" with his Quran. and also that there has never been any doubts about 7 ahruf and all that, it has been recently risen by secular university and all that, basically this is just to make us doubt and the make us fight and leave the Truth

[@suleimanomipidan8012]

The evil mind people shall not succeed with their intrigues but we also must be well informed about our din. I am familiar with qirah hafsin, warsh, qa'loon and duri and I have 3 younger brothers who are huffaz and the eldest studying sharia in the University in the Maghreb. They are all familiar with the Ahruf/Qiraat. The Quran is preserved with all the Ahruf and so are the Qiraat. All other Qiraat save hafsin are subordinate readings. But we must get our terminologies right if and when we entertain secular academic inquiries that tries to create doubts. Thank you so much for your lending contributions!

[@RochelleHa]

The shiekh says that Uthman(RA) said to them "if you differ" to take it back to the dialect of the Quresh.

[@suleimanomipidan8012]

If they differ in reading or writing?

[@suleimanomipidan8012]

Afwan, and I am not trying to gaslight the Sheikh’s presentation, but the Hadith that is being mentioned, was narrated by Anas ibn Malik clearly contained these punctuated words: “اذا اختلفتم انتم وزيد بن ثابت في عربية من عربية القران...” (fathul Bari, Vol 9), meaning ‘in case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit in “arabiyati min arabiyyati-l-Qur’an”. The Hadith revealed that Zaid ibn Thabit was tasked along with two other companions (Allah be pleased with them all) to make copies the Quran from the manuscripts entrusted to Hafsah (Allah be pleased with her) that will become certified true copies of the original, intended to be sent out to every Muslim province for the obvious purpose of having a unified reading. So “if you differ” according to the context, does not seem to refer to the way the Quran should be written bc it was copies of the original but the way it should be recited. To lend further support to this understanding, Fathul Bari mentioned a narration containing a letter once addressed by Umar to Ibn Mas’uud (Allah be please with them both) instructing him thus: “ان القران نزل بلسان قريش، فاقرىء الناس بلغة قريش لا بلغة هذيل" meaning ‘verily the Quran was reveled in the dialect of Quraish, so do recite to the people in the dialect of the Quraish and not the dialect of hadheel.

[@palash_airport]

Is that means there are no abrogated verse in the current Quran?

[@farhanhiola]

Why are there different opinions about this and not just one?

[@thelinkofperfectioncharity9469]

BECAUSE ISLAM IS FAKE

[@واسع-ز8غ]

لَا حَوْلَ وَلَا قُوَّةَ إِلَّا بِٱللَّٰ

[@presleymaddox]

Question. If all 7 ahruf existed in usmans (ra) mushaf then what was usman (ra) standardizing? I thought he was picking 1 ahruf, way of recitation, bc people were arguing over whose recitation was better and then sent that recitation out to the masses? I think the answer is usman ( ra) heard of people adding personal notes or wrong additions to their personal quran so then he decided to copy abu bakrs ( ra) mushaf and send that to the public and told everyone to get rid of theirs and use what he sent out. Please let me know if my answer to my question is correct?

[@MarvelousSquad]

Exactly, it doesn’t make sense. If Uthman standardized the Quran to fit only 1 Ahruf, where did the textual differences of Warsh and Hafs come from? How could these 2 different texts have come from the single standardization by Uthman? Unless of course people began adding slightly different variations of actual text to the Uthman standard, thus creating different versions like Warsh. It was clearly changed, i don’t see any way around it. Muslims combat this by saying Uthman didn’t get rid of the other 6 Ahruf, but this doesn’t make sense. If Uthman didn’t get rid of the other 6 ahruf when he standardized it, then what was the point of standardizing it??? It’s clear that Uthmans goal was to get rid of the other 6 Ahrufs and make the Quran a single uniform text. to me this is clear indication that the Quran hasn’t been preserved.

[@presleymaddox]

I disagree only because all the qiraats that exist today such as hafs and warsh can all be read from the Uthmani text. So the term “changed” is null and void not only in the word being used but especially in the translation and meaning. They all translate to effectively the same all encompassing meaning. For example one reading has malik which is king and the other has maaaaalik which is master. It’s two words that encompasss a wide array of meaning but still show an entity that has full authority over the day of judgement. What’s more remarkable is all of the qiraat that have readings like this complement each other. So how could one reading complement another and not be from the same source?

[@presleymaddox]

Secondly you are failing to realize that the primary method of the qurans preservation is through mass memory and not through written text. Mass memory is the primary preservation method and this can be tested today so when you take someone from Africa and ask them to recite a specific verse from memory and then compare it with someone from England with the same verse, you will see they match in meaning. Too many nuances here to go with the “changed” theory which wouldn’t really be a change anyways

[@MarvelousSquad]

@@presleymaddox I don’t think you understand. go look at the differences of Hafs and Warsh, the differences are in the text and not only the recitation, HOW could both of these different texts come from a single uniform Uthman standard? Imagine i write a book and i give you a SINGLE copy of it, and then in 20 years i come back to see that somehow this single book has now become 2 books with small differences and variations in spelling, verbs, nouns, etc. how could these 2 different books have come from the SINGLE book i gave you? even if the differences are small they’re still not identical, which is weird because they SHOULD be. the only possible explanation is that at some point AFTER i gave you the book, changes came whether they were intentional or accidental, it doesn’t matter, the point is the 2 copies are not entirely identical. do you not understand what i’m saying?

[@presleymaddox]

“HOW could both of these different texts come from a single uniform Uthman standard?” Please review the uthmani text and you will see that they both are exactly from there. I think you need a better grasp on the different ahruf. Without diacritical marks they absolutely do trace back to the Uthmani text. Secondly when you say “change” that term needs to be clearly defined. Because the Quran was originally revealed in 7 ahruf. So Uthman standardized it however if two specific recitations emanate from the Uthmani text but they also trace back to the original 7 ahruf then is that really a change? I don’t think so. Lastly what you call variations are also complementations.

[@drvally9493]

May Allah bless you. Needed this explanation.

[@mahmoud2202]

Dr Vally: SHUT UP U FOOLS! THE QURAAN WAS REVEALED IN ONE DIALECT, WHICH WAS THE PROPER DIALECT (THE QURAISH's), WHICH WAS THE TONGUE OF THE PROPHET a.s:- سُوۡرَةُ إبراهیم وَمَآ أَرۡسَلۡنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا بِلِسَانِ قَوۡمِهِۦ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمۡ‌ۖ فَيُضِلُّ ٱللَّهُ مَن يَشَآءُ وَيَهۡدِى مَن يَشَآءُ‌ۚ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ (٤) Surah Ibrahim We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves stray those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, Full of Wisdom. (4) ----------- سُوۡرَةُ مَریَم فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرۡنَـٰهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لِتُبَشِّرَ بِهِ ٱلۡمُتَّقِينَ وَتُنذِرَ بِهِۦ قَوۡمً۬ا لُّدًّ۬ا (٩٧) Surah Maryam So have We made the (Qur'an) easy in thine own tongue, that with it thou mayest give Glad Tidings to the righteous and warnings to people given to contention. (97) ---------- سُوۡرَةُ الدّخان فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرۡنَـٰهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَتَذَڪَّرُونَ (٥٨) Surah Ad-Dukhan Verily, We have made this (Qur'an) easy, in thy tongue, in order that they may give heed. (58) ========== AS U IDIOTS KNOW THAT, VARIOUS DIALECTS TWIST THE MEANING OF SOME VERSES, AND SOMETIMES GIVE CONTRADICTIVE MEANING U IGNORANT FOOL MUSLIM, NOT UNDERSTANDING/COMPREHENDING YOUR QURAAN, SO TO SERVE CERTAIN IDEOLOGY. * WOE TO BLOODY U!

[@drvally9493]

@@mahmoud2202 حديث ابن عباس عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : " أقرأني جبريل على حرف فراجعته فزادني فلم أزل أستزيده ويزيدني حتى انتهى على سبعة أحرف " . رواه البخاري ( 3047 ) ومسلم ( 819 ) عمر بن الخطاب قال : سمعت هشام بن حكيم يقرأ سورة الفرقان على غير ما أقرأها عليه وكان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أقرأنيها فكدت أن أعجل عليه ثم أمهلته حتى انصرف ثم لببته بردائه فجئت به إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقلت : يا رسول الله إني سمعت هذا يقرأ سورة الفرقان على غير ما أقرأتنيها فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : اقرأ فقرأ القراءة التي سمعته يقرأ . فقال : هكذا أنزلت . ثم قال لي اقرأ فقرأت فقال هكذا أنزلت . إنّ هذا القرآن أنزل على سبعة أحرف فاقرءوا ما تيسّر منه . رواه البخاري ( 2287 ) ومسلم ( 818 ) Get a life man. Learn the religion before making stupid comments.

[@mahmoud2202]

@@drvally9493 THIS A CLEAR LIE ATTRIBUTED TO THE PROPHET a.s & U FOOL BELIEVE IN IT! * WOE TO BLOODY U FASIQ CONTRADICTING ALLAH J.J :- سُوۡرَةُ مَریَم فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرۡنَـٰهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لِتُبَشِّرَ بِهِ ٱلۡمُتَّقِينَ وَتُنذِرَ بِهِۦ قَوۡمً۬ا لُّدًّ۬ا (٩٧) ----- سُوۡرَةُ الدّخان فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرۡنَـٰهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَتَذَڪَّرُونَ (٥٨) ALLAH J.J SAYS ONE , WHILE U BELIEVE IN SEVEN! سُوۡرَةُ النِّسَاء وَمَنۡ أَصۡدَقُ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ حَدِيثً۬ا (٨٧) ۞ HELL TO BLOODY U IN SHAA ALLAH J.J! * YOUR PROPHET a.s WAS NOT IN POSITION TO DEMAND WHAT QUOTED IN YOUR LIE, CALLED HADEETH! * U FOOL DON'T BELIEVE IN ALLAH 'S QURAAN! * U BELIEVE IN LIES IN BUKHRI!

[@mahmoud2202]

@@drvally9493 U R NOT A Dr, U R A FOOL FASIQ & MUSHRIK!

[@mahmoud2202]

@@drvally9493U FOOL SEE WHAT ALLAH J.J SAYS TO IGNORANT ARROGANTS LIKE U:- سُوۡرَةُ الجَاثیَة وَيۡلٌ۬ لِّكُلِّ أَفَّاكٍ أَثِيمٍ۬ (٧) يَسۡمَعُ ءَايَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ تُتۡلَىٰ عَلَيۡهِ ثُمَّ يُصِرُّ مُسۡتَكۡبِرً۬ا كَأَن لَّمۡ يَسۡمَعۡهَا‌ۖ فَبَشِّرۡهُ بِعَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ۬ (٨) NOT BELIEVING IN WHAT ALLAH J.J SAYS IN HIS QURAAN!

[@Zack_berret]

i wish you showed the sources

[@quecobpt]

how did the 5 books of uthman become 10 qiraat?

[@gajiburrahman7378]

The text of the Quran can be recited in multiple ways, so it is very easy to get 10 qiraat from only 5 Mushafs. For example, if you have 1 Mushaf which can be recited in two ways, and you have a 2nd Mushaf which can be recited in 3 ways, and a 3rd Mushaf which can be recited 2 ways, and a 4th Mushaf which can be recited in 2 ways, and a 5th Mushaf which can be recited in 1 way. Then that would be 5 Mushafs which can be recited in 10 ways(qiraat). This is an example of how you can get 10 qiraat from 5 Mushafs.

[@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651]

@@gajiburrahman7378 masya Allaah jazakAllaah khoir. tabarakAllaah

[@MarvelousSquad]

@@gajiburrahman7378 but you’re implying that the ONLY differences are in ways you can recite a single uniform text, so where did the TEXTUAL differences of Warsh come from? How did different forms of writing the Quran survive Uthmans codification?

[@lilteccasgrandad4820]

⁠@@MarvelousSquadthe textual differences doesn’t make a difference in meaning but rather agree with each other as you can see this in multiple languages like in English such as color and colour, Centre and center and etc. The prophet (SAW) recited in the 7 qirat during his lifetime as seen in Sahih Al Bukhari 3047 and Sahih Muslim 819.

[@MarvelousSquad]

@Turkishmustacheman ok where are the original ones so we can prove it lol

[@7senegalese]

ماشاء الله

[@hruqaya]

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[@فضل-ت6ب]

Jazkallah

[@ApologeticsAddict]

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[@olgaz2498]

i cant do this anymore

[@sayastaghfirullah623]

Are you okay? Is everything okay?

[@hva22]

Is everything ok what’s wrong?

[@Anon-uv9mj]

May Allaah make things easy for you

[@invisible8267]

To believe abrogation of the Quran is, in itself a believe of the incompleteness of the Quran.

[@SoldierOfTheDeen]

"We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?" Quran 2: 106

[@haticeergun7618]

The hadith about 7 ahruf and 10 qiraat is a fabrication of bani Israel..Shame on any Muslim who thinks that a prophet could know bettter than Allah SWT and Allah SWT had to be corrected 7 times then Allah SWT will punish you severely for not recognizing your Creator Who is All Knower yet His creation is teaching Him what to reveal..!?? SERIOUSLY..!!!???? Ittaqullah and delete that video of lies..!!!

[@radirandom]

False

[@syedali2427]

Blud just corrected 1400 years of Muslim history 😹😹😹

[@QananiisaaIdris]

Bro the Hadith is Mutawatir.

[@QananiisaaIdris]

The Hadith is Mutawatir.

[@ubaidmakba]

جزاكم الله خيرا