Almost Everything is Wrong with Nashville

[@ToABrighterFuture]

Maybe the whole idea of "winning the off-season" is overrated? 😕

[@chettmanly2014]

There certainly isnt a trophy for it

[@valveanti-cheat9348]

Washington won the off-season. Nashville signed a bunch of old guys who benefited from elite linemates and the media drooled all over it. Washington got younger, and so much better.

[@davidchimes3464]

Devils and Capitals. Something"s got to be wrong in the locker room here. Probably Trotz' fault, giving the kind of money long term to two aging stars might not feel like a reward for making the playoffs by surprise and almost winning a round. One acquisition too many, will be harder to resign guys in the future.

[@Nicovertime]

With the benefit of hindsight, NJ won the off-season

[@davidchimes3464]

@@Nicovertime Capitals GM more impressive. I'm.a Devils fan and loved what they did both for the short and long term. But the Capitals did not have as good a cap situation and totally retooled their aging team in one off season. The Devils actually had enough cap to accomplish even more, probably missed on a top-6 winger because Nashville overpaid, I'm not complaining, just giving the Caps their due.

[@heathclark318]

Andrew Burnette is a fast break style coach with a lunch break squad

[@jaredkrol3739]

He doesn’t seem like a favorite in the locker room right now either

[@carparthero]

NSH is the temu version of a fast break squad lol.

[@DneilB007]

Not certain if that’s fully descriptive, but it’s dang funny!

[@petrpumpkineater]

wierd bc as a player he was super slow but complimented top line guys really well.

[@Nunnleberry]

More of a nap break squad

[@thearmourboy3254]

I've been a Nashville fan since they started in 98, and this is the worst team we've ever seen, and yes that includes the expansion teams. How Brunette still has a job today is beyond me. Brunette can not make adjustments, he refuses to mix the young players and Vets, the young players have an insanely short leash despite the Vets make the same mistakes over and over. If the younger players do get in the game, he only gives them 7-9 minutes a night. We are old, slow, beat up, and our coach refuses to adjust his system to the type of players he has. Trotz deserves blame for Tomasino and Fabbro ( Tolvanen happened before he was GM) but he moved players the coach refused to play. The Vets literally quit on Brunette in the 3rd last night in Ottawa. Marchessault made a comment about Brunette's line blendering. The had an optional skate and not a single Veteran player showed up. Brunette has lost the locker room.

[@chrisstorment1123]

Wow. Someone's getting fired.

[@Nintendonerd93]

Yep, and ol’ Bruno who was the PP coach before he took over from Q for the Panthers went 1 for 26 on the PP in two playoff rounds and the Cats only scoring 3 goals in that 4 game sweep the Lightning handed them. I think he’s better as an associate coach.

[@barrettsimpson5163]

As a STH for the Preds, this is exactly what is happening. When your team isn’t scoring at this consistent of a basis, it’s time to play other guys. Just because you have a big name doesn’t give you the right to a starting spot - when you are at this low of a level. Del Gaizo and Parssinen continue to be scratched, Tomasino and Fabbro were scratched quite a bit. The lines have changed so much from game to game and even within games at such a pace that the players are now outwardly commenting. Those are coaching moves. Ownership isn’t getting rid of Trotz anytime soon, so this almost has to fall on the coaching at this point. Yes the players have blame and so does trotz. But those aren’t changing at this point. Everyone pointed to cap space with Wedgewood, and the others moving so maybe there’s a move or two left before the trade deadline? Until then, it’s almost got to fall on coaching.

[@gkarenko9593]

​@@Nintendonerd93We don't talk about Bruno.

[@Gnashadelphia]

@@gkarenko9593😂

[@blakedubty8965]

Literally the best hockey channel on KZbin thank you for putting so much effort into these. Could watch all day

[@jayvardy]

Their two biggest moves were signing forwards that Stanley Cup winning franchises deemed too old to be significant pieces on contending teams. Seems Vegas and TB were right.

[@freetimeflip6438]

Also they already won the cup and have generational wealth. They probably would like to enjoy with their families. Id be relaxed AF there and just put in enough effort to make it look like I care.

[@prezidentjeff]

@@freetimeflip6438 That doesn't get talked about enough. I doubt that happens intentionally, more a subconscious thing, but nevertheless it happens. How could you possibly have the same hunger as before?

[@VGK702]

They both also had help from incredible playmakers (Kucherov and Eichel)

[@kurtwpg]

@@prezidentjeff Be MORE man than him! Eye Of The Tiger, Rock, Eye Of The Tiger.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

If the house offers you a deal on the strip that seems too good to be true, might wanna step back and see what's up. Vegas did the same (arguably worse) thing with Fleury.

[@justinfrankenfield466]

The only good thing in Nashville right now is that they have three first round picks in next year draft

[@blackhawks9763]

It’s not like either one of those picks is gonna be a franchise player. And if you look at Nashville’s draft history. They miss 90% on forwards. But they are exceptionally well at drafting D.

[@GizmoBeach]

@@blackhawks9763 If not for the Capitals’ folly the Preds wouldn’t even have Forsberg all these years.

[@jacobeberhardt1649]

Here it is. The video we've all been waiting for.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

This is actually his second “What’s wrong with Nashville?” Video this season

[@generalimlerith8356]

It’s funny how everyone thought the flames were gonna big the biggest disaster yet nobody saw Nashville actually becoming the disaster just proves how random this game of hockey is

[@kurtwpg]

That almost feels hopeful for Nashville. The biggest issue around the Flames was older acquisitions that weren't working out. If Calgary can right the ship after a couple years, who knows?

[@generalimlerith8356]

@ yeah it’s all about finding those right fits can do wonders look at the capitals they found the perfect puzzles pieces

[@irocz11]

I mean after they made those signing I had a feeling they wouldn’t work out as well as people thought. They were already a super slow and old team and they made it worse with their free agency signings.

[@RRaquello]

There was a lot of hype about Wolf as the goalie of the future and coming into the season everything depended on him coz the Flames have very little attack. If Wolf lived up to the hype, they had a chance of being decent. If he was another Jon Gillies, then they were headed for a lotto pick. So far Wolf has been good. It's a lot to put on a rookie goalie so we'll see how he lasts through the season.

[@Scoots_McGee]

​@RRaquello I wanted to see Wolf succeed, but I was cautiously optimistic. I did not expect calgary to be playing as well as they are after last years firesale, and I feared that Wolf may not be able to handle the load, he does still have to stand on his head alot, but the Flames overall are overachieving/exceeding expectations big time

[@lapcevichgage]

3:46 glad you mentioned Tomasino. As a Pitt fan, he’s been so refreshing to see. Hope he can keep it up.

[@Uncle_Troy]

This was the main problem with San Jose before they plummeted into the basement. It's hard to be competitive when virtually your entire core roster is already 30+. The NHL in 2024-25 is also brutally unforgiving to teams who are slow. Older teams are going to naturally have slower players than average.

[@JhoriRemington]

Not really. The problem was that Doug Wilson let Joe Pavelski and Chris Tierney walk to sign another offensive defensemen (Karlsson) when they already had Brent Burns. If they don’t sign Karlsson they’d probably be in a similar position in the standings to LA right now.

[@Uncle_Troy]

@@JhoriRemington What could they have done with that extra cap space instead? They would have had to have been very savvy for that $11.5M in cap space to have been the difference between them bottom-dwelling and vying for a cup. At best, you're getting three players above replacement and with meaningful roles for that budget.

[@Retr-vc4wn]

​​@@JhoriRemington If they kept Pavs, that team would still fail. If they let Karlsson walk, that team would still fail. No matter which path the team took. They were always meant to fail. It was a team with an aging core with a couple of bad contracts, and they had no prospects or any future at all. It took Wilson getting sick for the team to finally move on from him, and bring in a new voice to finally say what the sharks needed to do. that it was time to move on from the old team and Rebuild.

[@JhoriRemington]

@@Uncle_Troy Karlsson wasn't needed. Resign Pavs and Tierney (not to mention you keep your first round pick) then get another free agent

[@RRaquello]

The Islanders are in the same position now. Their best young prospect (Eisermann) is in college and probably two years away. They have nothing on the farm. Their goaltending keeps them fairly respectable, but they're old, slow and can't score.

[@luckyshinx]

Real tough season. All we can hope for as fans at this point is a high draft pick, a luxury we’ve only ever had once in or franchise’s lifetime.

[@barrettsimpson5163]

@@luckyshinx plus the fact we have 3 first round picks in 2025. If we don’t trade them all away

[@brandonf24]

Legwand at #2 in our inaugural draft...and the Preds had to trade up to get him...just shy of Vinny Lecavalier. Seth Jones in 2013 at #4...I personally was hoping Barkov would fall to 4th as projected at the time. How different things would have been with him, no? I've seen almost every iteration of the franchise in 24 years as a STH... drafting that elusive centerman (or forwards generally) has been an Achilles heel for the franchise.

[@1pbdecoded1pb]

Mickael Granlund passing pucks at center would have helped way more than Stamkos and Marchessault. Need balance and distinct roles.

[@jonnenaamupala7857]

Yeah and Granlund is over ppg this season, he was the best player of Sharks last year also!

[@1pbdecoded1pb]

@@jonnenaamupala7857 Pens fan. Granlund is better than Crosby or Malkin in goals and points. Granlund 31GP, 11G, 32pts. Crosby 32GP, 8G, 30pts.

[@Christophernbh]

Tolvanen was waived under Poile in 2022-23 not Trotz in 2023-24. Sissons had a fantastic first half last year, hes just back to his "can't put the puck in the ocean" regular form.

[@VanMichael21]

I never did get the Tolvanen thing because I always thought he was good and had potential to be even better, I always wanted Vancouver to trade for him(Canuck fan here) but now ofc he's in Seattle a rival of ours ugh.

[@YouSeeSorrows]

@VanMichael21 typical Preds thing. "We're struggling so let's trade or waive the guy that is sitting in the press box or the one that gets 10 minutes of ice time per night on the 4th line." Exactly what happened with Tomasino and Fabbro. Will likely happen with Parsinnen. And if things don't change, expect the same for Evangelista, L'Heureux, and Svechkov. The Preds (as a franchise) hate young players. They want "proven commodities" over 30 years old. Hence why they chose to sign Wedgewood, which pissed Askarov off (rightly so), and Asky demanded a trade.

[@chrisstorment1123]

​@@VanMichael21 We're more of an aspiring rival to the Canucks. First we have to be relevant.

[@Andyyy48]

i was like what he is talking about😁

[@thearmourboy3254]

@@YouSeeSorrows almost right, Wedgewood signing didn't have anything to do with Askarov wanting out. The reason for that is that Trotz had already told both Askarov and Wedgewood that the plan was for Askarov to be the back up this season unless he just stunk it up. Askarov wanted out because of the long term contract Saros got.

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

To be honest everyone seemed to forget that there were two Nashville Predators teams last season: the one going to see U2 and the one not going to see U2. People thought that their default setting was the team that played well beyond their ability down the stretch, instead of the actual default that was terrible before they called off their anticipated team activity. They let some solid depth pieces go that were more important than they thought and brought in some star players whose best years are behind them to add scoring, without address the huge hole at centre, and those new voices in the dressing room might not have meshed well with their new team.

[@mikelfrance-l6x]

Jonathan Marchessault had it made in the shade in Vegas.

[@bangyahead1]

Until he wanted more money and a new contract.

[@barryglazer6900]

@@mikelfrance-l6x wish he would come to the rangers

[@system331]

@@barryglazer6900 how would that help you? Lol. Rangers are in a downward spiral too

[@Wexter0083]

​@@system331Nah we all know Rangers are really targeting future Rangers legend Brady Tkachuk. Why can't Ottawa just trade their unicorn! *Obvious sarcasm is obvious*

[@InsignificantNick]

Early results show that a great coach doesn't always make a great GM.

[@badbutbois]

I’d have to agree with that trotz has lost every trade he’s made so dar

[@73Ambassador]

Being a great player doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a great coach (Gretzky and Roy, for example), AND being a great coach such as Trotz hasn't translated to being a great GM. He should have stayed behind the bench.

[@justjohnny420]

​@badbutbois Annunen is only 24 years old and 2 games with the preds he has 1.52gaa and .954sv% it's not sustainable but Nashville could get a good amount of years out of Annunen if he performs how he's supposed to and they only gave up a career backup in their 30s

[@thebikewatcher9819]

Us down here in Tampa still love you Stammer!!!

[@muricanmando8601]

Its past worry, its sadness and pain

[@Flyingmonkeysftw27]

Back to the age old problem of older players hitting a wall when they sell they’re services based on past performance

[@SirVTropic]

Finally, the long expected Nashville video :)

[@ryanfowler3140]

Tolvanen was waived in 2022 before Trotz was the GM

[@chrismdb5686]

This is looking eerily similar to the Wings, Sharks, and Pens before they all trended down. Too old, too expensive to really shed the weight, and ypung talent shipped off for little or gone for nothing.

[@davidkruse4030]

This looks nothing like the wings on the downturn

[@chrismdb5686]

@davidkruse4030 Old team that was close to retirement and couldn't keep up with no young depth to replace them? Sure does to me. Went in on a cup run instead of retooling or rebuilding.

[@gablefisk-govphost817]

Looks a lot like the 2018 Senators - both doubled down on an unsustainable run of luck late in the prior season and convinced themselves they were better than they actually are

[@bted]

Its one thing to miscalculate as a GM and build a win-now team without chemistry or merely underachieve. This is a win-now team with a league-worst record. Brunette has shown he can at least win in the regular season. This is 100% on Trotz.

[@alexmacdougall5700]

I'm genuinely disapointed. I thought the Canucks/Preds round 1 was a phenomenal series and was excited for a rematch. Unless they have a last years oilers level of righting the ship I don't see it.

[@SMG2fanatic]

One of my bold predictions before the season was Nashville winning the central. Maybe a little too bold 😅

[@tomfilipiak3511]

You ain’t the only one!We got a lot of problems here in Chicago!

[@deeznutz4021]

I believed they were a top 3 team in the central, we were lead astray.😂

[@SMG2fanatic]

@tomfilipiak3511 haha funny of you to say; I’m actually a Hawks fan. I’ve watched every game except the two on Hulu. This season has been agonizing.

[@ianhall6614]

We all fly a little too close to the sun once in a while

[@Eupolemos1]

Nashville rebuild is close

[@jacklongley5932]

As a preds fan there is no fix for this. The bright side is we’re loaded with prospects but it’s time for Barry to understand we failed. We have a plethora of picks. Lean on those. Trade everyone for value and focus on the future. 😊

[@jacklong9619]

When the Panthers decided not to give Brunette the full time job I thought management was crazy. Turns out they know what they’re doing

[@bangyahead1]

The team in Florida is 10x better than the team in Nashville. He doesnt have much to work with in Nashville. Gretzky in his prime would have a tough time making Nashville a decent team. They disassembled a roster that made it to the WCF not so long ago. When they failed management gave up and traded pretty much everybody or let them go via free agency.

[@faunbudweis]

@@bangyahead1 Gretzky the coach? :)

[@casewojo6186]

Oh man we love Paul Maurice. Couldn’t be happier.

[@casewojo6186]

@@bangyahead1it was Maurice that made Florida play this style of hockey though. He gets a lot of credit for the cup win in my opinion. When we had Huberdeau, we played a more open game that doesn’t work in playoffs. Zito getting Chucky/Bennet was genius apparently. Love the management in Florida.

[@alohastate8256]

Eichel is mostly the reason for Marchys big numbers last year.

[@feliksdombrosky3942]

And his Conn Smythe the year prior self-admittedly.

[@kftc1980]

He was good with Karlsson back in the day, when they both were young. Karlsson is still good because he has genius level hockey IQ, unfortunately Marchessault does not. Could still be useful with a world class center under ideal conditions, probably.

[@MarkelScott100]

Yeah eichel fed him alot atleast 24 ast was to marchy

[@Baloneycake4114]

They also got rid of Askarov

[@maverik094]

Stamkos 5on5: 28 games, 1 goal, 2 assists, 3 points (-16). Yikes Well everybody but Lightning fans are surprised. There were many who said that Stamkos right now is basically PP merchant and there is no Nikita Kucherov in Nashville. Last year he had 40 goals but, 50% of them he scored during PP and he was -21. He's no longer a center and Nashville needs more C depth. Julien Brisebois was right "trading" Stamkos for Guentzel. Jake is phenomenal 12G-13A-25P in 25 games and he is +5. I believe that's the most points in NHL for players who changed their team during offseason.

[@natewinters8032]

Guentzel also is so solid defensively. Him and point together allow for kucherov to have more freedom. I love Kuch and he’s a wizard, but he’s also liable to make some crazy passes that lead to odd man rushes. But having Guentzel on that line really helps with both ends of the ice

[@RRaquello]

Problem with Guentzel is he's one of those guys who's an injury waiting to happen. If he stays healthy, he's great. A big "if".

[@jalse616]

My Preds are currently a train wreck. Bad puck luck and poor shooting percentage, ok. It’s the poor decision making and turnovers in the neutral zone that is irritating.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

The Nash plan to sign Wedgewood instead of letting Askarov be the #2 still makes no sense to me.

[@kurtwpg]

Yeah, sometimes young players just get disrespected. Running Askarov for 20+ games just made more sense.

[@PrositronMcHappy]

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants He wouldn’t have been happy being 2nd fiddle for a handful of yrs. His celebrations also wouldn’t go well in half of the NHL.

[@manuelbrun6882]

Wedgewood???

[@kurtwpg]

@@manuelbrun6882 Yes, he had a 5 game Nashville Predator career before being shipped off to Colorado. Probably one of the things that burned Askarov the most is that Wedgewood's deal was for 2 years.

[@Tbiblaine23]

Trust me I know. I hate being a Nashville fan. The thing that sucks is that no one seems to care, management isn’t doing anything, Burnette isn’t changing his system, he keeps shuffling the lines every game, and we just continue sucking and no one cares. I thought bringing in trotz and Bruno was the right move but clearly it was not, they’re too stubborn for their own good.

[@thearmourboy3254]

Just blows my mind that with all of that shuffling he is never willing to give the young guys a chance for more than a shift or two in the top 6.

[@Gnashadelphia]

Agree 100% and I’m tired of the gaslighting telling us they’re not ass

[@casewojo6186]

Lalonde in Detroit is doing the same thing.

[@schumdav]

Nice Hartford Whalers pennant on the back wall.

[@LieuFang]

There was a graphic last night that showed the two former Preds in Columbus and their production. Olivier would be 2nd in goals on the team and 5th among forwards in points [6th whole team]. Fabbro would be 2nd among defenseman in goals [T-7th whole team] and T-10th among the whole team for points, and 1st in +/- with +10 the next closest being Fedor Svechkov at a +2.

[@trey1122334]

I’m really hoping the Wild take notes when the cap space opens up that just throwing money at a bunch of bigs names doesn’t always work. I trust Billy G has done his homework and has a plan though.

[@kurtwpg]

Billy G has been suffering for years because of Chuck Fletcher doing exactly what Trotz did. I don't think he's real motivated to go down that path. I'll stick with my prediction that he lands Boeser.

[@RRaquello]

@@kurtwpg Billy G remembers being one of those old big names being brought into a team himself. So he has the experience from the player's side. He got a Stanley Cup out of it in Pittsburgh but didn't fare as well in St. Louis, San Jose or the Islanders.

[@vaguelysober]

Trotz assembled an old folks home. He gets to wear this mess. Also, signing Saros instead of keeping Askarov looks like a really. really. REALLY stupid move.

[@Heterodoxism]

Dont forget lank and sherwood. Sherwood has almost passed the total goals he scored last year.

[@El-Torete-007]

@@vaguelysober agreed.

[@georgehand]

Askerov’s mine now and he is setting Cuda Country on fire!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@-HiddenInPlainSight-]

Disagree signing Wedgewood as the back up was the bad move. Signing Saros wasn't.

[@haysbrickell9579]

Marchessault rang up a lot of points in Vegas but had some weaknesses in his game. He was popular, but management did the right thing by not extending him.

[@kftc1980]

Plays with heart and scores goals, sometimes very big goals. Otherwise, it isn’t pretty. He was probably the most mistake prone/worst decision maker on VGK, but the goals masked all of that.

[@freedom_fighter4317]

The Preds looked like a high powered machine when they came into Vancouver recently and beat us 5-3. The score was flattering to the Canucks, as they were never in it

[@ryans413]

That Stamkos deal is looking real good.

[@lasseplolsen]

Trotz is in the lottery business. Same with Yzerman. We treat them as wizards, but generally they have no idea if a trade will work or not.

[@jaredmason194]

The Yzerplan built the Lightnings Back to Back champs / finals three years in a row roster; but you can't expect lightning to strike twice on two separate teams

[@biglebowski3961]

I always had respect for Trotz but I'm shocked what I'm seeing.

[@RRaquello]

Good coaches don't necessarily make good GM's. Even the great Scotty Bowman failed as a GM.

[@casewojo6186]

@@RRaquelloYzerman lol. He got pretty lucky in Tampa. That’s what it’s looking like at least.

[@attrition71]

The opposite build than the Capitals...... from a GM who won a cup with the Caps. Lol

[@johnfeeley7094]

It'll be interesting to see how the 4 nations break potentially benefits teams. Video on history of teams that bounced back after lacklustre starts & what were the factors📉

[@atpyro7920]

there’s just some kind of warm feeling that comes from being proven right

[@Zhombeee]

Haha I got flamed over the summer for saying I thought it was too early to put the preds over teams like Vancouver or Vegas without seeing if the additions will actually pay off. With that being said, I didn’t think they’d suck THIS bad. I thought they’d at least in the hunt but unless they can pull of a miracle like the oilers did, I have some serious doubts

[@HexagonalMan6]

As a reminder, Tolvanen scored the first playoff goal in Kraken franchise history, and had 16 goals and 11 assists in 48 games that same season we picked him up. And who had Stephenson having a more successful season than Marchessault? I definitely didn't call that.

[@JustinMullally]

50% retained Stamkos back to Tampa, lol. They get him for $4m after all.

[@billsmith3182]

As a Lightning fan, I'll take him.........

[@volcanope]

Okay yeah, Stamkos and Marchessault aren't scoring, I get that. But who on that roster is supposed to pass the puck to them??

[@mikellock]

This exactly… I’m a STM sitting in the stands in Nashville and I actually think Stamkos is playing well. He’s skating well and finding open spots, but the puck never comes or if it does it is a garbage pass he can do nothing with. I see a lot of individuals at this point, but not a team. Trading a bunch of talent away that does well in new markets tells me it is a coaching problem.

[@kurtwpg]

Maybe Zegras. His trade value might be at an all time low right now, worth a shot.

[@kftc1980]

@@kurtwpgnot sure what Nashville could give Anaheim that they would want to make it worthwhile.

[@mikkom7475]

Granlund, from San Jose. He is good at long passes.

[@buffalofan7169]

At least Nashville ain't the Buffalo Sabres

[@brianhobaugh]

I’m sure they’re just as unhappy as Sabres fans.

[@buffalofan7169]

But they don't have a 13 year playoff drought pushing 14 years

[@andrewm.8228]

I'm a fan of both teams so it sucks watching hockey this season.

[@SugarHillSleep]

I'd rather be buffalo at this point 😂

[@TheHockeyGuy]

Does Nashville have palm trees?

[@blackberrythorns]

ages 27, 28, 29 is the peak. when i was 37 i could suddenly notice that the dimmer switch on the vitality meter had been turned down.

[@RRaquello]

I'm 60 and remember 37 still being young. Thing is 37 is fine even for a physically demanding job like roofer or carpenter, but not for being a professional athlete in a physical sport like hockey. Some guys can continue to be strong at that age (Crosby, f'rinstance), but even they slow down. But most guys are cooked by that age because they don't start where the Crosbys do at 18.

[@arseface2k934]

​@@RRaquello My friend's grandfather always says that you're young if you have all your teeth and can remember your own phone number. It makes more and more sense the older you get.

[@MarkCMG]

Thanks for the video! Panic button time even though you've kept them in the "rebuilding" category on the index?

[@unknown23hornet22]

I think it is essential to have young players coming through in points like these. You can use them to fill in the gaps, and if your first team isn't playing well, you might as well give ice time to developing players.

[@1pbdecoded1pb]

You can GM and put together a hockey TEAM or you can collect hockey cards like Barry Trotz. Filip Forsberg, Steven Stamkos, and Jonathan Marchessault are all similar right shot players. There is no need for all 3 of them as they don't fit on a team dynamic. Yes they are all good. It doesn't work that way. That's all. There are only so many situational moments in a game and only 1 puck to go around. Nice dual Tomasino stats for the Pens and Preds proving my point.

[@villekorpi714]

I think there is reason to believe that Tolvanen would have never turned it around in Nashville so waiwing him was not necessarily a mistake.

[@chrismichaels4291]

Awful, awful stuff from Trotz. One of the worst offseason's I can remember. One of Stamkos or Marchessault would be good complementary players on an already deep team/contender. Picking up both of them for the same team where they're both supposed to be primary players is not good or a recipe for success. They're both old and Stamkos was showing signs of being washed before this, if not for Kucherov, other than on the power play. I never bought them as contenders, just because they signed a bunch of 34 year olds. ''We got the Conn Smythe winner from 2019 and the Conn Smythe winner from 2023!''. I already didn't know what they were doing signing O'Reilly last year. They probably should have been blowing it up then.

[@yogibearstie]

An interesting THG video would be summer free agents that moved and how has it worked out for the acquiring team.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

I hate that they traded Wedgewood. He had Wolverine painted on his helmet. Not sure how he got away with that without Disney suing, but it was cool.

[@wingshockeyfan]

And to think I was really envious of Nashville in the off season.🙄

[@dvon1097]

It's incredible how they have always been an overachieving franchise. Here we are, people going into the season thought they were contenders and they are a bottom 5 team

[@haysbrickell9579]

If Marchessault would have settled for shorter term with Vegas, he in all likelihood would be back playing with Eichel and Barbashev on the top line and thriving.

[@michaelshay3157]

It feel's like Nashville just threw money at everything without having any structure, or learning the mistakes that doomed them in last years playoffs

[@muricanmando8601]

we cant do offense, outside of forsberg we havent ever had a scorer that is good and we cant develop them at all at least in our own system

[@chrismichaels4291]

By the way, they overchieved last year, especially with Saros not even having nearly a Vezina caliber season.

[@RLS_91]

25-32/33 is typically your athletic prime ( with fighters anyway)

[@TheDolfanar]

Even if they want to rebuild, not sure who they can trade at this point… Nyquist? Depth guys like Smith, Mccarron, Jankowski? Not going to get much of anything for that. It doesn’t help that they only one retention slot, so maybe you can move Schenn and retain some salary? Not going to be easy to trade your way out of this mess…

[@kurtwpg]

Schenn and O'Reilly seem like the obvious choices. I think I'd sooner save the last retention slot for O"Reilly and maybe take a bad contract bad for Schenn.

[@YP-jp9ck]

Trotz buying in free agency when they obviously needed to offload players/rebuild is tragic.

[@robbyburns]

First time? -Sabres fan

[@chrisstorment1123]

❤😂😂😂😂

[@jjwalden93]

Nashville hasn’t really had an offense, which has been there problem. They need a great coach, cause it ain’t really been the players.

[@brettskinner1416]

As a golden knights fan I am very surprised marchessault has struggled so much so far this year

[@isamarchambers]

that 3.5 million offer tampa gave looks better and better each game… stamkos will always be my favorite player ever but it’s been pretty brutal watching him without kucherov

[@LouieNJ]

I wonder how much Trotz wanted to make this push vs a full rebuild. I saw some people asking the question of if it was his decision or if he was pressured by ownership to try to make the team competitive.

[@ghost_615]

The dilemma he was facing was many of Nashville's high end prospects (Wood, Kemell, Molendyk, even L'Heureux) were arguably 3-5 years from being ready to produce at the NHL level. And that wasn't soon enough to help aging stars like Josi...and probably even Forsberg and Saros. So, if you're not going to try to compete with the last remaining members of your Cup run...what do you do with them? I guess he could have decided "they had their chance", keep Askarov, trade Saros...and just let Josi and Forsberg's careers fade into the distance. But instead, he opened his wallet and brought in talent to try to give them one more shot at a Cup. And so far, it's not working out. The biggest thing he needs to do is not panic and mortgage the future. Between the prospects in the system and the high draft picks that have been acquired...even if these players don't work out, just don't add to the dead cap that already includes Duchene and Turris (Still!) The only silver lining of these big names not working out is Trotz didn't have to give up any part of the future to bring them in. It could be a waste of money...but really, the rebuild isn't any worse off than it would have been. Honestly, these stars being awful might actually be helping it, haha. Just not how we expected.

[@markcapestro5390]

Nashville needs a new coach. And while Stamkos may be good, he's definitely not a good mix on that team

[@Lebowski55]

This is actually probably the best thing to happen to the Nashville hockey team in its history. For their entire existence, they have essentially been in the middle of the league. Competitive sure, but not really a true Cup contender. Always finishing in the middle of the league ensured a middling draft prospect. Now they can actually get a true blue chip, potential cornerstone prospect.

[@markhodge7]

It looks like a tire fire that was hidden until this year. Maybe a management rebuild first because the roster is fixed.

[@emmet7208]

That NewYork vs. Nashville game is going to be the battle of the dumpster fires for sure!

[@tt128556]

Signing multiple 35-year olds is rarely a winning strategy in the long run.

[@Thrashman-ye4cf]

This is a testament to the idea that you can’t just throw all the money at the best FAs and say, “Okay, we have a playoff team now, right?”

[@wellokthen720]

"Its not part of hockey"... i didnt see Jarry complain when Crosby stored 100 goals off his skate at the side of the net. Bathersons skate did appear to do a slight kicking motion but looked to be after the puck had already hit bathersons skate

[@Kinvarus1]

Well the advantage they have is that on the 17th they play the Rangers, a team who currently not only has forgotten how to play Defense but seemingly the very concept of what Defense even is, so they might get some goals there.

[@enzymatic1]

If Nashville loses tonight against Calgary I think their coach is gone, 100%.

[@mastertonef]

The problem is definitely more than 50% on Trotz's shoulders.

[@discreteentropy]

Playing with Eichel in Vegas was huge for Marchy’s output. This should have been obvious to Nashville.

[@hockeyfanwings2083]

Very good content😮

[@DneilB007]

They forgot to pick up players to pass the puck to the big guns they hired on last offseason.

[@stefaniverson2739]

The ONLY person I saw saying all those off season signings were a bad idea was former NHLer Rhett Warrener of Flames Nation. He essentially said the team was gelling at the end of the year, probably should have beaten Vancouver in the first round and clearly had great chemistry. Now you add in these old players who weren’t part of that and think just because it looks good on paper it’s going to work.

[@typhant4043]

The Nashville Grandpas

[@people3865]

I didnt expect them to be this bad, but they signed 3 aging players to bad contracts. I knew it wouldn't go well

[@ShawnBlaque]

Only O'Rielly could go to Nashville to escape the media pressures of other hockey markets then be so bad he becomes the number one story in the NHL lmao! The universe works in mysteries ways and it's beautiful

[@johndangelo4647]

Tire fire is an excellent term to describe Nashville's current situation. GM's banking on has been players to fix scoring is a lesson to be learned. As a Wings fan, I am happy Yzerman didn't get the Trouba deal done. We're hoping Kane can start finding the back of the net, but I'm not holding my breath.

[@nicholasvocke2986]

They got around $7 million in cap space which leaves Trotz with the option of trading for a 2nd line center or rebuild

[@Wogger72]

New coach! That many players out of control elsewhere

[@christopherrhine7704]

Being a Preds fan is so sad right now……..

[@dennis2376]

This problem that you outlined seems decades old. I remember Canucks had this problem, if my memory is correct. I think the NHL will have to acknowledge that a player over 30 is going to be a liability. Second the NHL will have to form their teams around 75 percent younger players and 25 percent older player. The older players bring the skill, knowledge of the game, and experience, but to relying on them to be your scoring line is not a thing any more. But hey what do I know, I only watch the game occasionally.

[@stevelevington8074]

Maybe a move that can help both teams. Hoglander and Desharnais for Schenn. Nashville gets younger, Vancouver gets a guy that has chemistry with Hughes and save a little bit of cap space for next year

[@RC30019]

Actually Juulsen should be traded instead Desharnais

[@stevelevington8074]

@RC30019 except trading Juulsen isn't saving you 2 million in cap space next year

[@RC30019]

@@stevelevington8074 That's true

[@twill5626]

Remember when the Winnipeg Jets were going for Barry Trotz. Really dodged a bullet there, didn’t we??? Whew.

[@keithbailey6843]

Doug Armstrong is the role model for how GMs can rebuild a team without tearing it apart.

[@erudzitis84]

Andrew Brunette is way out of his depth. They have no offensive system. Dumb shooting from blue lines will never get you wins

[@jeeplivion]

I saw the standings last night and i just said wtf how

[@duaneday5474]

Brutal schedule