Love them both.. M4 is a vodka red bull , the B4 is a Espresso martini .. Both get you drunk and make you smile... I know that I would have haha !
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Hahaha so true Mike, great analogy of the cars :-)
@NICKFOXTV7 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed working on the video with you Joe, absolutely fantastic job. You are both so natural behind the camera and gave a really detailed insight to two very superb cars. The overall finish to the video too was top notch!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Mate thanks soooo much for coming along and helping to make this video possible, that drone shot at the start is the catalyst for the entire video :-)
@NICKFOXTV7 жыл бұрын
Joe Achilles absolute pleasure mate, really enjoyed the shoot and look forward to the next one 😉
@SidNorth7 жыл бұрын
Good to see these two Head2Head. Nice that Alpina have differentiated the B4S to its M Rival twin too. Great video mate, lots and lots of work put into this 🙌🏽.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy glad you enjoyed it! Looking forward to seeing your B4 S video soon ;-)
@stephencarney39827 жыл бұрын
AWESOME VIDEO JOE Incredible cinematography fantastic presenting and excellent driving. I wish Grand Tour had more videos like this. You and baby gorilla are great together. All those hours seriously paid off. Well done!! Fair play for getting those two cars together!!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Stephen! Yeah it took lots of combined effort and a fair amount of cast to make this happen, it was worth it though :-)
@SpoolmeUp7127 жыл бұрын
Nicely documented view of the two car's.....great cinematography from Mr Fox.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man, yeah Mr Fox killed it!
@NICKFOXTV7 жыл бұрын
Joe Achilles guys stop it, you're making me blush ☺️🤣
@Kompoism7 жыл бұрын
Yes, Graham and Nick did help, this was an awesome video. The visuals you all got and the comparisons etc that you and Aaron deliver were great... This was almost as good as the Petrolheads Alps movie. Praise indeed
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man glad you enjoyed the production :-)
@Kompoism7 жыл бұрын
Everything was spot on... raising the bar!
@olliemorgan9747 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this one Joe! Was great to see these two up against each other and I'm sure they were fun on those roads too. They are so different but both aiming for the same sort of idea so is interesting to see the two takes Alpina and BMW have. Great camera work from Nick and Graham too, can really see the work that's gone into this one, keep it up!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers buddy, yeah great day and loads of combined hard work all paid off :-)
@wildcat10657 жыл бұрын
As an owner of a B4 and having test driven an M4 prior to purchase (neither the latest versions) I totally agree with your conclusions. Unless you live by a race track, the B4 is a much easier car to live with day to day, particularly on UK roads. It is also far more fuel efficient than an M4 when you are not going for it.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers John, great hearing that from an actual B4 owner :-)
@ForTheDrive7 жыл бұрын
Awesome Joe! That hard work paid off, top quality video. Was great being involved and the cars were amazing, I really do like the Alpina, such a nice semi-sleeper.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you guys this video was made possible, really moved the level on with this one :-)
@ercanozturk174 жыл бұрын
More Alpinas please. Great vid! Maybe the new B3? Or B5? I have ordered one but need to wait till next year September due to Lavalina waiting line.
@MilesDrive7 жыл бұрын
Wow, a super vid, Joe! Aaron, as always, a splendid 'wingman'. Also well done to Nick & Graham with some awesome camera work. Great stuff
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man, yeah I had a killer team with me for this one :-)
@fipzee7 жыл бұрын
Well done. Beautiful cinematography and i like the summary and conclusion. Early in the video I was thinking this isn't much of a review/comparison but as I kept watching, the video got better and better. Thumbs up!!
@LivingLifeFastLLF7 жыл бұрын
Wicked vid joe, well worth the wait 👍🏾👍🏾
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers you legend, glad you liked it!
@jlnmlng83722 жыл бұрын
Two very special cars, thank you for this very informative and nicely done video! Entertaining yet serious and chilled. Thank you!
@byronohene-adu4407 жыл бұрын
Damn, I'm not really a BMW fan but your great reviews and analysis of the cars is starting to make me want one.
@byronohene-adu4407 жыл бұрын
+Luke Smith How are you finding the M135i so far?
@byronohene-adu4407 жыл бұрын
+Luke Smith Thanks man! Looking forward to it :)
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha thats awesome to hear Byron and Luke, thanks for showing me so much support!
@byronohene-adu4407 жыл бұрын
+Luke Smith Thank you very much man! Nice to hear that you are enjoying it:)
@groovymotion57067 жыл бұрын
Joe that is next level filming! This looks like a multi-million dollar production!
@TeoZMuff3137 жыл бұрын
GroovyMotion now that's a bit too much but yea it is great filming.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man, sure cost me a few quid but not quite millions ;-)
@myporscheadventures7 жыл бұрын
videography, landscape, cars, people - everything on point 👌 congratulation to this awesome video mate! I can't find words for how much I love this content
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thank you :-) Very nice of you to say & glad you liked it!
@BM_PAZ7 жыл бұрын
Not only did I get the 140 off the back of your videos but now I really want a B3 touring as you've shown me how great the Alpinas are.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha
@charlottehull36286 жыл бұрын
totally agree with the chris harris comparison, I can say without doubt both chris harris and yourself are my favourite reviewers and when you consider how many great reviewers are out there it really is a compliment, keep up the great work joe it's appreciatec
@AlexOliver5557 жыл бұрын
Great review from both of you! It looked very professional, so much so I half expected Chris Harris to make an appearance. I think too many people that buy an M4 overlook the Alpina. Joe you said near the end that the M4 apeals more to the young person.... Well I'm 26 and I would seriously consider that B4 S.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha Thanks Alex, best compliment ever! Also good to hear a 26 year old would consider the B4 S :-)
@nickcho04254 жыл бұрын
The m4 is just a wolf up front, you can expect the aggression and intimidation. That b4 is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It’s a sleeper
@Jay-oe4bv4 жыл бұрын
Seen a lot of your videos.I don't know how I missed this one.For me,by far your best work.I thoroughly enjoyed it.Well done!!!
@braddobson9937 жыл бұрын
BEST VIDEO YET!! Great work from all involved, more content with Aaron please! And definitely more third party videography for those artsy drone shots etc. Shame it wasn't 1hour long...
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Brad glad you liked it!
@thaalrasha7 жыл бұрын
Great review man ! Great shots and editing ! Was waiting for that video eagerly since you pre announced it :)
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad you liked it!
@arctica51937 жыл бұрын
BMW M vs Alpina is a tricky thing. Thx for this epic cool review and twin shot. They truly are unequal twins....
@cdpower1237 жыл бұрын
Epic review video, all the effort you've put in shows. Let's hope the manufacturers wake up and start letting you review their cars.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Colin, lets hope so haha
@AndRB8597 жыл бұрын
Worth the wait!! Great video and down to earth as usual. Sigh of relief that you didn't quite put (this older guy) off the M4 like I thought you might!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha Cheers man! Yeah the latest M4 CP really is an incredible car, on track or smooth roads (like this one) it is MEGA.
@pabloemms7 жыл бұрын
Only watched 40 secs so far and already paused to comment, that tailslide...lovely footage with the drone view also.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha Cheers Pablo, hope you enjoyed the other 18 mins 21 seconds ;-)
@staggabob7 жыл бұрын
The first video I saw of yours was you sitting in your parked car talking to a single camera about fuel economy and storage space. A couple of years later you're matching anything Chris Harris has put out, great stuff!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah even I can admit I've come a long way, still miles off Harris though ;-) Cheers man
@edwardrhodes62847 жыл бұрын
Great video Joe, very professional. I am left wanting more content because I couldn't decide which one i liked the most. Thank you for sharing.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha Cheers buddy, you can just watch again ;-)
@carshizz11857 жыл бұрын
The hills are alive to the the sound of straight sixes. Nice!
@rayc15036 жыл бұрын
I kind of envy your job Joe. You get to drive, test & review all these awesome cars. You're one hell of a lucky guy. Bless you dude.
@jamesreilly84557 жыл бұрын
Nice work again Joe, effortless! I hope whoever buys either car is not a dick and asks for this video to be taken down. Keep up the great work👏👏
@jamesreilly84557 жыл бұрын
Jesus he was hardly thrashing it though was he? The guy had spent a lot of time and effort to do the review. By all accounts the car hadn't even been sold at the time. Imagine every owner asked for old road tests of their cars to be taken down!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers James! Yeah I got the call about that M140 the morning of this test, hence being well behaved (off camera) in the M4. Moral of the story is, all demos have a hard life, that particular M140 was always warmed up and treated well compared to many others. This issue has certainly made me re think KZbin, deleting a video that essentially took me 3 days to produce is a real kick in the guts.
@jamesreilly84557 жыл бұрын
Joe Achilles The whole situation baffles me Joe, don't get it at all. As for it devaluing the car........?!?! Hope he got it at a knockdown price! Where does this leave you for future videos?
@joespavin37927 жыл бұрын
Joe Achilles - The Alpina will never be sold with that plate on anyway! B-) Don't see what all of the fuss is about. These cars are designed and built to be driven hard at times. If someone buys a second hand sports car thinking it's never been 'driven' then more fool them!
@zemekiel7 жыл бұрын
Damn Joe, your video production has gotten to a really high level, this is brilliant! I'd take the Alpina!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man, this one broke my balls haha
@sadman76657 жыл бұрын
Great review....M4 all the way for me 👍
@davidnimmo51153 жыл бұрын
I have just watched this for the second time and what a fantastic episode well done Sir 👍
@martijnlangeveld8177 жыл бұрын
Many thanx Joe&others, very nice video! I just LOVE Alpina & BMW....
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching :-)
@JacK-yr8ri7 жыл бұрын
enjoyed this, I would love an alpina. Think I would get the B3 estate
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man! Yeah the B3 S Touring would be my choice too!
@LiffeyKing7 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff Joe. One of your best so far.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Shane
@VWbaii7 жыл бұрын
Top class Joe, from you and Aaron! Credit to those guys for their cinematography, really made the video! Keep it up :)
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, yeah credit to the whole team on this one :-)
@VWbaii7 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing what you produce next - slowly converting me from VAGs to BMs haha
@MrLee1m7 жыл бұрын
Class as always Joe, I look forward to your next instalment!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lee
@JavierCR257 жыл бұрын
Damn Joe! Your videos keep getting better mate! I loved this comparo since it’s the same animal in different outfits. One’s a track monster the other one is a sober grand tourer that performs. Amazing footage and great location. Keep it up!
@lewisk14727 жыл бұрын
Amazing video Joe! Great cars and great people! Brilliant filming too!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Lewis glad you liked it!
@joespavin37927 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video Joe. Been waiting in anticipation for this since your Birthday M4 teaser. Well worth it! Probably your best video to date for cinematography. Credit also to Aaron, Nick and Graham. Getting close to that professional 'Top Gear' look on a budget! As you'd expect from me, siding on the Alpina bench and totally agree with you and Aaron on the comparison. Only thing missing for me would be some discussion on the DCT vs ZF gearboxes in there cars. Never been a fan of the DCT and pleased BMW are finally fitting the ZF in the new M5. Keep up the excellent work mate ;-)
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man really glad you liked it! Yeah I'm gutted I forgot to chat about the gearboxes and many other bits... I was a little stressed out on the day and just forgot :-( But yeah the ZF is a better box, hence the new M5 going that way. Cheers
@cr0ben7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review, production and great double act too!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Ben
@adabro7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, guys - very stylish, professional and informative. Gotta love these BMWs as well. My m240i is just 4 weeks away!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man! Bet you're excited about your 240 :-)
@billystanton78567 жыл бұрын
Great video Joe, lovely shots. You and Aaron should do a one hour special top gear style challenge one day!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Billy, thats a good idea!
@LegitHockeyKid697 жыл бұрын
Give that drone pilot a medal. Awesome videography!
@NICKFOXTV7 жыл бұрын
LegitHockeyKid69 thank you sir 👍🏻
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah it really sets the video off :-)
@benboz94057 жыл бұрын
Your best video ever Joe !! These two cars are fantastic. Can't wait to see you behind the wheel of the coming CS and CSL ;)
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Ben :- ) Lets see if BMW UK invite me....
@chrish84197 жыл бұрын
Reckon this could end up being one of your most successful videos. I'm properly falling for the Alpina brand.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Chris, lets hope so, bloody took ages to edit haha
@daeshavvn7 жыл бұрын
They look so graceful !
@wheresmekeys63837 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure I saw this Alpina today in Suffolk, said to the Mrs I recognized that number plate but couldn't place it at the time ! Brilliant video as always by the way !! 👍🏻
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Yeah was more than likely this press car, only one green B4 S in the UK, also very distinctive plates as you say. Glad you liked the video :-)
@smilepermile8887 жыл бұрын
Wow my guess of the Alpina B4 was spot on from your previous birthday video haha Great video and love the film location - that hairpin looks familiar from Chris Harris' videos 👌
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah you guessed right! And yeah this is genuine CH countryside
@OnlineHousehusband7 жыл бұрын
Top review Joe. That B4s is so special, brilliant production too👌🏼 class act. 👍🏼
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy glad you enjoyed it! Hope you're well
@OnlineHousehusband7 жыл бұрын
Joe Achilles Great thanks, roll on the next meet 👍🏼👍🏼
@constischmitz99047 жыл бұрын
Great video! Nice collaboration, good driving, lovely shots and wonderful cars.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@SvenC727 жыл бұрын
Once again this is a fantastic video with a serious quality production! Keep it on Joe, amazing work! 👌👍😉
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man!
@STSupercars7 жыл бұрын
Really nice video Joe, was away when you published this and the internet on the continent wouldn't let me watching in anything other than one big blur so I waited. So glad I did... Awesome video and some lovely cinematography. Interestingly I'm one of the young people who would actually pick the Alpina. Just love Alpina's, always have and I've only ever been in one, but the exclusivity they bring vs the ten a penny m4, Alpina all day!
@jameswingrove74217 жыл бұрын
The Alpina for me every day of the week...and I'm only 24 (I could be old before my time 😂). That's the best video to date, and big shout out to the guys who helped you with it. Genuinely I think I speak for everyone when I say that was a professional quality video that you'd expect from established motoring magazines...Brilliant. Can't wait for the next one. If I may make a suggestion, get the e92 B3 Bi-Turbo in for a review as my budget won't stretch to £65k 😭
@claytonlh7 жыл бұрын
Love your videos Joe. Thanks for this one. Your product is getting better and better.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks for supporting me and watching my stuff!
@TheDudeAbides17767 жыл бұрын
I would have 100% gotten a B4 over my M4 if it were available in the USA. Aplina's ooze refinement
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Yeah shame you guys only get the B6 and B7
@jhaabhishek7 жыл бұрын
Awesome review Joe, can see the efforts put in.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man
@RichardPearson19907 жыл бұрын
Them roads 🔥 and fuck me Joe the editing is out of this world 😳 love the opening clip on the hairpin bend and getting the arse end out sideways.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy glad you enjoyed it :-)
@sergiubancos7 жыл бұрын
Good stuff as always, Joe. Congrats!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thank you :-)
@heelandtoe_7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video mate! Super interesting to see both these cars head to head, and I think i agree with all the points you have made! I probably would be one of the few young people to go for the B4S.. Great driving, cinematography and editing! ;)
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy means a lot! Yeah you know very well the magic that ALPINA produces, cant wait for you to try a B3/4 S ;-)
@heelandtoe_7 жыл бұрын
Joe Achilles Me too!
@BMWE90HQ7 жыл бұрын
I wish we got more than just the B6 and B7 in the States.
@saucysimpson2597 жыл бұрын
As much as i adore the 4 series platform, i'd still rather have an M3 or an Apbina B3 S
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Me too, both look better than the 4 equivalent and both are more practical :-)
@FlyasaDiamond7 жыл бұрын
For the money, the M4 looks a bit more special, both inside and out.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Yeah thats what I said in the video
@devanpfeffer27510 ай бұрын
No, the m4 is just sporty which every car brand offers. No sunroof, all black exterior trim, black basic seats and interior trim. Nothing special about the M4, Alpina fixed that! B4 has individual color options in every way, comfortable daily-driving suspension, tuned and refined 440 engine not your basic M4 I6, annnd they’re made at 1/100 the pace so way more rare. B4 is more “special” but m4 is sportier for sure
@MarcGlen-Scott7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Joe, thoroughly enjoying your output. Keep up the great work.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Marc :-)
@robertsimmons47927 жыл бұрын
Another amazing video, keep up the good work Joe!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Robert!
@andyw31527 жыл бұрын
That was a proper car show version 😉. Nice one Joe.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Andy :-)
@jackgt1407 жыл бұрын
Another great video mate, love the Alpina
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man!
@kringlefanten4 жыл бұрын
The B4's output must be seriously underrated. It would not surprise me if it has 400 HP to the wheels.
@JasonMilner7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I'd have the Alpina in a heartbeat, but maybe in stealth spec, without the stripes.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Jason, yeah me too!
@zdx1977 жыл бұрын
Your videos are becoming PROFESSIONAL bro ;)
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man
@SkyBlueJim2227 жыл бұрын
Some really lovely camera work.
@charlesmorgan84407 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable video, up there with your epic interview with Herr Bovensiepen. I love Alpinas, although my B3 is of the E46 generation but once you acquire the taste (says he with an M140 on order - many thanks for all your videos on those Joe!)
@shizzle7467 жыл бұрын
name of the instrumental at the beginning please!!
@272CRU7 жыл бұрын
Amazing content and filming!
@GBFeb727 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome video, love it Joe 👏👏 now which do I prefer 🤔
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man!
@Jacob-xd3ko7 жыл бұрын
Had no idea Alpina made a B4... what a beautiful piece of machinery 😍😍😍😍
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Yeah awesome machine!
@sorenklausbo56857 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with your choice Joe. A brilliant way to combine style and speed! Beautiful video btw! Thanks.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Soren glad you liked it!
@BigDelGooner7 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. What’s the music?
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Music was take from Epidemic sound
@jernichols7 жыл бұрын
Great video mate top production! 👍🏻
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks James
@andrewb2937 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Makes me want the Alpina.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@j.drenthe20907 жыл бұрын
Nice video, guys! Great cars. I slightly prefer the Alpina.
@JH-xk2ko7 жыл бұрын
Yet again another simply mega video!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers man
@christianb.43857 жыл бұрын
Great work, great video once again Joe. Thank you very much.. Would it be possible to get more content and feedback (engine, interior quality, pricing, handling) on the B4S ??? I'm considering one someday down the road.. thanks again man
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Yeah I shot a separate individual B4 S video that will be edited soon
@goran20094 жыл бұрын
Love B4 interior
@wadebeaumont52647 жыл бұрын
Wow great production Joe. Seriously impressive. Both fantastic cars but I'll have the Alpina thanks.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Wade glad you liked it mate! You must be one of my longest term supporters, thank you man!
@zarkar31697 жыл бұрын
Super Video! Really nice one and top cars! I think the B3 Touring would be the perfect choice for you! Love my B3
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Yeah B3 S Touring = Dream Car :-)
@zarkar31697 жыл бұрын
Let me know when you are oneday in Switzerland=)
@Driesking4 жыл бұрын
Id take the Alpina, just because it's that tiny bit more special
@PocketRockets7 жыл бұрын
Mega video Joe! Mega filming work & top marks on the road choice 💪 Loving Aaron's glasses 😎😂
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Haha Cheers buddy glad you liked it! Hopefully see you soon bro
@PocketRockets7 жыл бұрын
Definitely, be good to do some filming with you 💪
@kobbetop7 жыл бұрын
Great cars yes but look at that scenery and those cool shots!
@jeffstevens82533 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!! Thanks for another great video Joe, cheers!
@Ryan-ew1tv7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I Always look forward to your content!
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Ryan
@aliglesias1687 жыл бұрын
Great video Joe congratulations
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@KV89-b3c7 жыл бұрын
Nice one Joe. Where is this beautiful scenery? License plate on B4s will fall off :D
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Filmed in South Wales, the plate was terrible haha
@abdal-wakeelhussain7 жыл бұрын
Top class video Joe Killed it with this one 👌
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Thanks ;-)
@foyst14847 жыл бұрын
Kudos on the review and filming Joe. Alpina prob better car but dated in their cosmetics . ALPINA you need to move with the times . Your vehicles are still awesome thoe:)
@robertstanley99027 жыл бұрын
Outstanding top quality video - brilliant job done by all.
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Cheers Robert!
@paulpateman39687 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe I wish I had your job but I would find it hard to give the cars back especially the M4GTS absolutely adore the car
@JoeAchilles17 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this isn't my job, just a VERY expensive hobby. I have only driven the GTS on track for 5 mins