Alternate History of the Ottoman Empire

[@CartographicTales]

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[@JaswinderKaur-ph4dc]

The law of the Universe:Empires don’t last foreve- Ottoman Empire: *UNO* *REVERSE* *CARD*

[@you_dare_to_gaze_upon_me]

Byzantine: Hello there

[@LastOsmane]

Ottoman Empire is actually Turkey just republicanised

[@aman-hl9re]

Japan is still empire

[@DBall-h2k]

​@@LastOsmane yes, ottoman empire is only sleeping for It's long bad history since 1683 republic of turkey never killed ottoman empire but hide them until It's time but it is possible to come back and when it does, all turks and even all Muslims will feel just like a rockstar

[@afdalridwan3813]

​@Random_historian Indonesia still as an empire, the Java is superior in cabinet

[@amarhaliti351]

One of the better alternate history videos i've watched so far. Great job buddy!

[@thatkidtom_e3243]

This is actually a very good alternate history. its very realistic compared to the others ive seen. this should be a hoi4 mod lol

[@paki_baloch]

Yes it is. And it is more realistic too. If they won the war of 1877-1878 and if the young turk revolution was stopped and if Sultan Abdulhamid wasn't dethroned in 1909 this could have come true

[@mazante1187]

@@paki_baloch and most importantly if ottoman never dragged into ww1

[@paki_baloch]

@@mazante1187 no if these happened even if they were dragged into WW1 they would have survived

[@mazante1187]

@@paki_baloch well either way central power would lose tho

[@paki_baloch]

@@mazante1187 reason

[@thegreatemperormanolo8303]

This is a Real happy ending for the ottoman empire

[@jefferyhanderson7849]

Also, the Islamic world hadn't had a united Spiritual & Political leader since the Ottomans fell. So, good for them.

[@alejandrocordovacea6630]

@@jefferyhanderson7849 thats true

[@HalalHistory]

Jeffery Handerson if only it was true

[@gogaioan]

@@HalalHistory no

[@SaltyMojito]

Not a happy ending for the armenians

[@thesebastanian567]

I wish that actually happened sometimes, great job!

[@thesebastanian567]

Thank you for hearting me Cartographic Tales, love your work!

[@LastOsmane]

Somewhere in a parallel Universe lol

[@MohammadHossain007]

You have a good understanding of historical trajectory. Please please do one for the Mughal empire.

[@CartographicTales]

I will think about it, certainly interesting and important

[@mdukasa]

Probably the best alternative history I've seen in *years*

[@rinitahir6239]

Long story short : Turkey still have balkans and USA dont have oils

[@munatalke729]

No the us can produce oil on its own dude

[@howardwillow]

@@munatalke729 you don't produce oil you find it. Sure you refine it to use it but it comes from the ground

[@k.umquat8604]

Turkey would get rich from selling oil to Europe

[@CombineGeography]

I think the country name would be changed to something like Kingdom of Turkey after the First World War, and Arab regions would gain independence much earlier, but that's a great alternate history

[@JohnJohnson-lr3zu]

It would be true if Ottomans really used their heads.

[@TatarProductions]

Ottomans always used their heads, but their sultans was kind of... led them to chaos

[@HalalHistory]

The young Turks brought the downfall of the Ottoman Empire as abdulhamid was overthrown but this is one possibility of what could’ve happened if abdulhamid stayed on power

[@mwhd629]

abdulhamid 2 used his head a lot

[@TatarProductions]

@@HalalHistory I hope that's a joke

[@ellmuzzafardaima6738]

@@TatarProductions abdulhamid was indeed a political genius despite losing land in his early years of power

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

The Sultan portraits look like playing a Paradox game in which the portraits are either badly drawn or are from the wrong period.

[@男子元気]

In this timeline ,seems like ottoman royal family become 3rd longest lasting dynasty that survive into present day after Japan and Tonga

[@planetofgamespog8242]

This is a blessed alternate history I wish we lived in

[@na3044]

Lovely, I wish I could read this as a timeline... Turkey - the blessed ending.

[@AliAhmed-ni9ry]

Great content and realistic too , make more long live the ottomans

[@CartographicTales]

Thank you very much. If you have any countries in mind you want to see next, please tell me! (FYI, I also did a video on the Arabian Peninsula)

[@AliAhmed-ni9ry]

@@CartographicTales cool ill check it out and give feedback

[@robloxgamerman8457]

When you play vic2 as ottomans

[@keremaslan8330]

this was the best alternative video I've watched, it's really amazing, I'll subscribe to you😊

[@CartographicTales]

Thank you very much!

[@ori4452]

It was awesome and well explicated 👍👍

[@HalalHistory]

Best alternate history video ever

[@Nilvolentibusje]

Ahh yes peace in the Middle East.

[@johnkoshtariajk8888]

I Knew It That Would Be Differences Of Alternate History Great Job As Always 😁👍

[@mohammadsaadnadeem5924]

The Exalted Caliphate of the Ottomans

[@Masterchief_Tito]

Ngl this country ball at the beginning is so adorable

[@benjaminjackboot6409]

I think you are the one with the ability to pull this off... Could you do your own interpretation of "The Peshawar Lancers"? It's a novel whose point of divergence compared to our world occurs in 1878, when a meteor shower falls in the majority of the northern hemisphere, forcing the powers of the world to relocate to the south (the british go to India, South africa and Australia, the French to Algeria and Russia to Central Asia)

[@CartographicTales]

Thank you. I will take a look at the novel, sounds really interesting.

[@taznainmaqdoom]

I wish they won in 1878 in real life

[@albabhoalidinyusuf382]

this can be true if Ottomans expand into asia like persia to India it will be more profitabel than attacking christian state or poor european land.

[@sselim3917]

keşke böyle olsaydı

[@xrayz.44]

KEŞKE

[@recibeerdogmaz]

Keşkeee şu sınırlara bak

[@dbneptune]

How did you make the maps for this video? They look awesome!

[@yaboitsv]

So Ottomanistan IS a caliphate! Knew it!

[@megalodon3655]

The Ottoman Empire was founded in 1299 c.e by osman bey but the sultans did start calling themselves the caliph until the 9th ottoman sultan defeated the mamluks and conquered the the holy cities of Mecca and Medina and Jerusalem and Egypt that is when the Ottoman Empire became the ottoman caliphate but a lot of the sultans used caliph as a title until sultan Mahmoud II and the other sultans after him officially claiming themselves as the caliph of Islam just letting you I hope I gave you some new knowledge have an amazing awesome day peace.

[@rendiar.mp4]

Lol ottomanistan XD

[@cantthinkofacreativename1769]

if the ottomans learned from their father and not until they stay on an island until their father died and have no military experience

[@mustafaabdullah1379]

9:45❤

[@Void_Dweller7]

This is by far your best video.

[@Dr-Ekmek]

Since there are infinite amount of alternate universes, this actually happened somewhere out there.

[@The_last_prime]

To be honest the ottomans were turning things around by 1800, but if it werent for egypts civil war the ottomans wouldve turned everything around. Also some bad financial disicions by some sultans also contributed to the downfall of the empire. Abdulhamid tried to restore the ottomans again but he was deposed, he did make really good progress. Also the young also made decent progress they were transforming the empire. A lot of mustafa kemal's reforms were based of off what the yound turks wanted to do. So if the ottomans didnt join ww1 it is very well certain they would have made it to this day.

[@CartographicTales]

Happy new year!

[@jamesNov]

Where is Saddam Hussein in this timeline?

[@CartographicTales]

@@jamesNov Didn't actually think about him or his role in this Alternate History to be honest

[@jamesNov]

@@CartographicTales oh ok well can you make an alternate history of europe from 1800-2020?

[@CartographicTales]

@@jamesNov I prefer to do Alternate Histories of specific countries and not of continents. But if you have something special in your mind, I'd love to hear :)

[@jamesNov]

@@CartographicTales do an alternate history of australia 1864-2020

[@greatturkempire6545]

Nice I m from Turkey

[@swithernbilla8510]

2016 be like Imma surprise everyone for a dramatic ending

[@Lordgnome286]

chad got some good looking hair

[@taznainmaqdoom]

I love this

[@peterkovacs1394]

Nice!

[@MrGreenOffical]

ah yes a mapping channel that isn't called "insert country name ball maping"

[@Elyasomeedshan]

yeh

[@Gruyntake]

Good ending of my country

[@StrasseristBosniakDeist]

Bosnia was supposed to be independent in 1830s there was great Bosnian uprising back then after Sultan Mahmud II implement new reforms which caused Bosniak nationalism

[@CartographicTales]

That uprising was from 1831-1833. It didn't result in independence but in the separation of the Bosnia and Herzegovina eyalets. Provinces are not shown in the map.

[@StrasseristBosniakDeist]

@@CartographicTales Husein wanted to make Bosnia independent back then but Herzegovnians allied with Turks and Husein didn't make it but at least he fought with honor

[@mohammedumarsiddiqui1944]

The ottomans would control most of the worlds oil which would immediately make everyone scared of doing anything against them because their oil could be cut off lol. The ottomans would most definitely have nukes and a top 3 military.

[@commonmapper8528]

Awesome!

[@taznainmaqdoom]

Mecidiye marsi is the name of the song

[@arandomseal4793]

I’m gonna look at the comments bid me farewell

[@Void_Dweller7]

Could you make an alternate history for the soviet union?

[@CartographicTales]

Currently working on something else, but I will surely think about it. Thank you for the idea!

[@Void_Dweller7]

@Le Mapper Glad you’re considering it

[@hezrin2005]

I like this scenario

[@hezrin2005]

Could you make more of this? I will watch all of it again and again to make the watchtime and make more people can ser uour video

[@hezrin2005]

Im finnaly happy there are mapper actually make ottoman did not implode at the last second. I mean the ottoman is survive for 600 years!!!!! Can you finish the alternate history???

[@mediocre-wettowel2007]

Good videos

[@enesavsar3486]

thats the most non objective thing i ve ever seen

[@enesavsar3486]

yeah u are right

[@enesavsar3486]

thx

[@enesavsar3486]

ur welcome

[@enesavsar3486]

u are an freak

[@enesavsar3486]

ı know

[@georgios_5342]

This is cool, but I kinda doubt that 19th century Greek nationalism would be pacified so easily.

[@lordkazuma996]

Rakyat sumatra selalu mengenangmu

[@turskaimperial9710]

Nice

[@ikibucukmil]

expected a colonial ottoman empire

[@valeri390]

I like it.. the alternate one

[@ussrcommunism6754]

No Israel 😃

[@aman-hl9re]

Big W

[@egehanfrdn6775]

Great

[@Nikos810]

This is Dream 😂😂😂😂

[@muhammadnajib8438]

that Was'nt mehmed V that photo is his brother mehmed VI Vahideddin

[@CartographicTales]

In this alternate story our Mehmed V never takes the throne because Abdul Hamid designates Mehmed Vahideddin as his successor. Therefore Vahideddin is Mehmed V instead of VI

[@muhammadnajib8438]

@@CartographicTales oh ok hey why don't you upload content anymore?

[@CartographicTales]

@@muhammadnajib8438 It‘s a stressful time right now but I will be back!

[@happilyendme3521]

hey did you know that the Omani empire was in control of Somalia and the shores of eastern Africa XD there were an allies to the ottomans before Britain ceased there control on Africa which ended the empire so it was the right move to control the oman because of their strategic location and their knowledge with ships and the sea

[@CartographicTales]

Hi! I knew that they controlled the shores of eastern Africa, but I did not know that they were allied to the Ottomans which is why I made them conquer Somalia. Thank you for the information!

[@CaptainFloridaMapper]

Either way an act of Union could of occurred or tensions rose so your scenario is still plausible

[@miraculas2757]

This is awesome ✌🏼 but we're are the German colonies during WW2? I mean Germany won WW1 so it still has colonies like Cameroon and Tanzania and maybe even a lot more now. 🤔

[@megalodon3655]

Can your next alternate history video be on sultan suliman of the Ottoman Empire except in the alternate history the sultan suliman the magnificent of the Ottoman Empire lives until the age of 100 and dies in 1595 and he wins every battle against the europeans meaning he conquers all of Hungary ,Austria ,Germany, France ,Spain and Portugal ,and Poland,Lithuania and Ukraine and western parts of Russia and England and Ireland and Italy basically all of eastern and Western Europe and northern and Southern Europe would be under his control and no vassals just full under ottoman control and the ottomans would’nt colonies but because they conquered all of Europe the colonial monarchs would live in the new world the ottomans would give them recourses but they have to take care of the natives and allow religious tolerance and as for the ottomans they would rule over all of contential Europe with religious tolerance with an open mind it is only when mehmed the forth dies then the ottomans start losing all of their European and would only have Greece and Constantinople and edirne under their control until napoleon comes in conquers all of Europe and after his fall the ottomans start reclaiming some land and they discover oil in the Middle East is the entire Arabian peninsula is under their control and the modernize the Arabian peninsula but then lose everything after world war 1 and I just want to say this idea is just for an alternate history video and is not meant to be anything political and is just for fun I hope you like this idea and I hope you do it have an amazing awesome op great day peace.

[@CartographicTales]

Thank you very much for your detailed text. But this Ottoman Empire would be extremely overpowered and I always try to keep at least a minimum of realistic ideas and also don't want to either shorten or lenghten anyone's life. The Ottoman era of conquest could however probably be extended if we let Suleiman's oldest son Mustafa get this throne. Aside from all of that, I prefer not do to an AH on the Ottomans in the immediate future and instead focus on other countries. Maybe you have a different idea?

[@megalodon3655]

Le Mapper okay you still did an amazing awesome job on the video I am just suggesting this because no other alternate history youtuber has ever done this video I am just asking whenever you can do this alternate history on sultan suliman and the sultans after him if you don’t it’s Okay I won’t be mad I am still grateful for the amount of work you put into these videos also thanks for replying to my comment have an amazing awesome op great day peace.

[@megalodon3655]

Le Mapper also I agree with you on the part where the ottoman conquest continue with Mustafa getting the throne you can do that as well Peace.

[@elenisiabiri1561]

Can you make one about Greece and Germany?

[@CartographicTales]

Hi! I already did one about Germany and currently working on another video. Which timespan would you find most interesting for an alternate history of Greece?

[@elenisiabiri1561]

@@CartographicTales Kapodistria and Harilao trikoupi

[@lindydaddario8844]

What I don't understand is how this alternative timeline could include Abdul Hamid, Abdulazziz, and others he in this alternative timeline, when they are descendants from Selim, but Selim's line didn't take the throne, so how could they exist if Mustafa's line was the precedent line.

[@CartographicTales]

No, in this timeline there are no changes prior to 1839. My other video where Mustafa takes the throne is not related to this one.

[@lindydaddario8844]

So like you said in your video, and I had asked almost the same question. What if the Ottoman Empire didn't side with the Germans during World War 1? Is it possible they could of survived because maybe the Turks weren't disillusioned with them. Maybe the Young Turk rebellion wasn't successful. And the Ottoman's were able to continue, survive and adapt. Thank you for answering my question about that.

[@CartographicTales]

@@lindydaddario8844 Interesting question. I believe the Young Turk forces could have still taken power because of the general liberal sentiment of the time and rising nationalism made it difficult for the Ottomans to continue ruling Arab regions. That means the empire in its known form couldn't survive any longer with or without WW1. If any steps to adapt or reinvent Ottoman identity could have been successful is of course up to speculation.

[@thanhhoangnguyen4754]

​@@CartographicTales Could you also do the time line if Selim III reform went well and able to disband the Janissaries.

[@lindydaddario8844]

So even in your alternative timeline the young Turks could of still risen against the Ottomans. But if the timeline was the same before 1839, that would of meant that Selim 2 would of inherited the throne after Suleiman in 1566. It was his inconsistency and weak character for not making sure the government officials made bad decisions. He was unfortunately not a good Sultan, and his inactions were passed on to his son's. Which brought the eventual downfall of the Ottomans in real history.

[@TheGlariousPasha]

Mustafa senin de adın Mustafa benim de adım Mustafa bu yüzden artık senin soy adın kemal olacak ve ona göre çağırılacaksın

[@stephenlarson523]

So in this timeline there was no massacre of the Pontic Greeks and the Armenians?

[@CartographicTales]

Yes

[@megalodon3655]

Just out of curiosity are you gonna do more alternative history ????

[@CartographicTales]

Yes, I will :) But I don't know yet which country I should do next. What'd you like to see?

[@lardinal2413]

@@CartographicTales what about africa specifically central and north africa

[@CartographicTales]

Great idea! I think I could work with Libya or DR Congo. Eastern Africa also seems interesting. Which countries would you like to see? Or an Alternate History of the entire regions you mentioned?

[@lardinal2413]

@@CartographicTales hmmm maybe a libyan empire or other nearby countries i mean there really wasnt any big african empire maybe a 'mongol' version of africa

[@thegreatemperormanolo8303]

@@CartographicTales libya its better

[@emirhankaya2682]

That was realistic

[@umuteker3133]

Damn it to Imperialism. Long live free Turkiye.

[@gorgebutton5885]

Great but instead of Libya annexation of Chad. The Somalis should have formed greater Somalia 🇸🇴.

[@mariaelenaparra4336]

LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE

[@explicit_201]

if this happened the ottomans would be like the british empire lol

[@erickalves9919]

Glory to the Ottoman Empire

[@ElHassan555]

I Wonder Why The Ottoman don't occupied Iran like Seljuk

[@CartographicTales]

The Ottomans had many wars with Iran over centuries, but for most of the time they didn't manage to expand much into the Iranian heartland. It was and is a difficult region and terrain to successfully occupy.

[@CartographicTales]

@@isyraf9989 Yeah but I was talking about the possibility of Ottoman long-term occupation

[@mahmuter9019]

Ah a lots of republican war hero as a vezir is very realistic

[@oooshafiqooo]

10:37 syams land

[@AliTahan25]

Kurdistan lol, I’m pretty sure the Ottomans hate them

[@HalalHistory]

The Kurds were ottoman people with the same religion as the Turks and Arabs there would be no reason to hate them

[@Belbao1992]

i guess in this timeline kurdistan in the ottoman empire would be comparable to scotland in the uk

[@michaelbarboto]

Which is the point of divergence?

[@CartographicTales]

Sorry, what do you mean?

[@michaelbarboto]

The point of divergence is some event in history that occurs differently

[@CartographicTales]

Oh ok, thank you for the information. In this video there are many differences compared to our timeline: the Ottomans start reforms earlier, try not to get into so much debt, the war with Russia in 1876 isn't lost by the Ottomans, Abdulhamid II isn't toppled in 1908, Ottomans don't involve in WW1, some parts of the Balkans stay Ottoman and of course the Ottoman Empire exists till today

[@staspastukh2005]

Do Ukraine pls!

[@dragonsiniestro1786]

Like.

[@smokey5835]

i need germany

[@CartographicTales]

Alternate history of Germany? Already did that

[@florincatana1645]

See so keeping itself the Real Arabian Empire, speaker full of the Arabic and Turkish, and Berberian and Egyptian Languages.

[@headlander7119]

What?

[@inguuus5090]

NOOOOOOOO CHAADDD

[@Obrez1]

chad libya vs virgin chad

[@aman-hl9re]

🇹🇷

[@geocritic3577]

:D

[@yahyady4396]

wow wow calm dawn just in your dream Morocco was not an Ottoman colony Because you lost with us in a battle with the Saadians Because of the time that In your attempt to occupy it Review your history or ask your grandparents this is morocco bro morocco

[@CartographicTales]

First of all this is an *alternate* history and doesn't have to do anything with the actual history. Second of all this video doesn't even show Morocco as an Ottoman colony. Where did you get that? Third of all why do you talk about "you" and "us" and "your grandparents"? I am not Turkish.

[@turkishmapper07]

It litteraly says “Alternate History”

[@tarekaziz877]

In my opinion this alternate history could never had happened , you started with the death of mohamed ali pacha of egypt of “unknown reasons” cuz you know that he & his Egyptian army had crushed the ottomans several times till the gates of Istanbul , & even if he had died as you claim it will be even better because ottomans has just nominal supermacy for egypt at this time , another thing , how u can imagine that the arabs of syria , iraq , arabian peninsula will just accept to be ruled by the turks for all this time ?? Nah you would see the arabian revolution again & again backed by egypt & whole of the middle east , & i assure you the arabs would have marched over your caliphate skull as ibrahim pacha would have done before the europeans saved your sultan’s ass

[@fireboy_gg]

Wtf this dident even happend morocco in saidi's days ended ottamans of algeria wth and mohamed v wsent even ther yet em i understanding somthing wrong or what

[@CartographicTales]

It's *alternate* history which means as you said, it didn't actually happen

[@fireboy_gg]

@@CartographicTales well sorry cuz i was confuisd like how did mohamad v was in the days of ottamans and how did they servive cuz u know they wer in 500

[@mertozcan2706]

69j

[@jaqbs0n]

sorry to say but this is too unrealistic