Alternative History of the Byzantine Empire Remastered (1176-2022)

As mentioned in the beginning of the video, special credits to Vincent BJ for giving me inspiration to do this and to Jordon Mason in discord for giving me a flag for the military.
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[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Took me 35 days but its here

[@hellenicstrategist7561]

Πως ανέβασες 30 λεπτά βίντεο, εμένα δεν με αφήνει να ανεβάσω ούτε 11 λεπτά

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@hellenicstrategist7561 κάνεις υπομονή τι να σε πω

[@samueldesta2151]

Nice Work. I really like this!

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@samueldesta2151 Thanks!

[@stavrosprohw8548]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 you deserve more than 999k views

[@georgios_5342]

I liked it a lot because it wasn't just Byzantium winning and winning and winning. Instead it was more realistic and adventurous, it won and lost and came back and lost again sometimes

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Yep, thats what I tried to do. Thanks for the feedback!

[@bahadrkara8177]

Well, not agreed. Some wars had gone so well for Eastern Roman Empire when they are losing

[@bahadrkara8177]

In ww2: Axjs forces occupies İzmir, İstanbul, İznik and Bursa. Byzantium capitulates and after war, monarch falls and country gains Libya and money

[@bahadrkara8177]

And new macedonia would probably get inavded by british/spanish/dutch

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@bahadrkara8177 The Spanish took it under their control but the Byzantines took it back afterwards.

[@hellenicstrategist7561]

This is so beautiful! I would honestly watch it every time. It looked like you had spent so much time! Keep up the good work pal!!!

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I begun in June 15th and ended it today. Thats more than a month. Thanks bro!

[@RegentOfGreece]

I agree Brother

[@emperornapoleon6204]

This is incredible! Easily one of the most engaging and realistic alternate histories I’ve ever seen. It was really enjoyable seeing things swing back and forth, with the empire’s government being forced to reform and change personnel numerous times to crush revolutions and invaders and maintain dynamism. The balance with the Mamelukes in the late medieval and early modern period and the involvement in the Napoleonic Wars was fun to watch! The rivalry with Austria and Russian alliance also set up some very neat actions, as friendly relations ultimately gave the Romans something the Ottomans sorely needed in their late empire. Hats off to you!

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thank you very much for the good feedback, I appreciate it! Yes I largely concentrated on forming balances with other powers, alliances coming and go and obviously internal struggles, the worst issue the Empire faced

[@heraldearya]

Well that is pretty good but it is not realistic. Timeline would be much different, also both world wars.

[@emperornapoleon6204]

@@heraldearya It is realistic enough. Of course it didn’t happen, and so it’s impossible to compare it to what did, but it’s at least plausible.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Yes thats something I also wish didn't do but sadly I made the timeline pretty similar lol@@heraldearya

[@stefanpetrov2756]

It's not often you see alternate history videos on eastern rome out of all the other videos I think this one is by far the best.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thank you very much!

[@mahmud2.]

as an ottoman empire fan, this was an amazing video and unlike other mapping videos it was actually fun to watch. if i were to give u more feedback it would probably be keep making more videos like this and dont make the texts go fast as it’s hard to read, regardless though you deserve my like and subscribe! 🇬🇷❤️🇹🇷🇵🇰

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thank you very much, I appreciate it and I will take care of what you said about time in the next videos (at least I'll try to)

[@mahmud2.]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335keep doing what your doing though brother, No part of the video was bad (but it was sad for me 😂😂)

[@mahmud2.]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 Also which software was used to make this video?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@mahmud2. idk its just a generic video editor in my laptop

[@mahmud2.]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335oh but what’s the name

[@Hellene_]

So fucking great. Good job

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thanks

[@iDeathMaximuMII]

Hey man, I’ve been trying the same thing with alternate history, and I think where I’m going wrong is that I’m being to favorable to the Romans most of the time. I’m not being realistic enough & not using proper scenarios for alternate history to work. Watching this makes me realize that & while I was trying to make a video for my own thing, I’m thinking of redoing it for the 4th time lmao, this was a great help to watch

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Haha im very glad this was helpful. Yes it's a good idea to try to make some occasions in which the Romans get defeated just so its not that they always win. Also if you don't have enough scenarios you can take some ideas from this if you want (not copy the whole thing if possible fffs but you get the point)

[@iDeathMaximuMII]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 Of course, I thank you in that offer. I may take snip bits but nothing majorly obvious. I'm going from the Leonid's to the to probably either the 18th or 19th Centuries. Not sure about the last part yet

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@iDeathMaximuMII I don't mind that, in fact im very glad I was able to inspire another mapper. This video took snip bits of another video about the Byzantine Empire anyways lol (its what inspired me)

[@iDeathMaximuMII]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 Hey man, inspirational shit can always help out. Thanks again

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@iDeathMaximuMII No problem man

[@manger_22]

this seriously underrated amazing work man.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thanks!

[@elsalvadorindiana5322]

This is an excellent alternate history video.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Hehe thanks!

[@GTRMapping]

Ok so I am an Azeri in this timeline. At least I don’t stay in Central Asia. I like the video, but I think there can be some improvements. For example, transitions between the slides, or portraits. Maybe even cities, or border glow.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Well I know, though I'm just lazy and it makes the files bigger which I don't like it. Anyways thanks for the feedback, I will keep it in mind. And yes you are an Azeri this time

[@serhaneroglu5402]

Sen Azerbaycan Türkü değilmisin?Sadece bir Azerimisin?

[@Reksimy]

Musics?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Ι think I have it in the description, if not I'll respond again later with the songs

[@Reksimy]

​@@ponticgreekmapper1335oh right, ok, thanks. You found great songs

[@comrademakno]

One of the best alternate history animated maps I have ever seen. my only critique is I doubt that the eastern Romans could get a colony in the new world, besides that nit pick I'd say everything made sense!

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thank you, I think it would be better if I made them look Eastwards but it doesn't matter now

[@Your_Greek_Guy]

Its really satisfying at the end and i fid some calculations so from the 149.500.000 the 15.500.000 are other kind of people with greek blood tho in em cuz that is logic

[@wownice1771]

I'll focus on this one single part in particular and it's that Rhomania only begins to support Syria and Yemen in their civil wars in the year 2014. I believe that in this timeline, Rhomania would've had more of an iron hand in the Middle East region, they would've had a powerful political and economic influence in the region that when something bad happens, Rhomania would've been quick to intervene and sent their soldiers in. Do note also that they're a former colonial power that only recently decolonized in the mid 1950s, they've got that juicy industrial base from all that, they can easily be able to have a more aggressive foreign policy than the Turks of our own timeline, and they're not just gonna let their colonial influence in the region slip from their thumb

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I see your point there and I gotta say you are right. Im having some plans to rework the modern period after the Napoleonic Wars but im not certain I'll do it

[@eternal_riftz8801]

what software you use for this map

[@kerkblack836]

nice work enjoyable music as well

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thank you

[@RegentOfGreece]

I have an Idea for the perfect image of Hellas. Athens: The Capital Byzantium: Europe's Largest City Izmir: The Center of Greco-Turkish Relations Cyprus and Crete: The symbols of Resistance

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Interesting

[@aswinisivasankar5677]

It's so great thank you for giving an alt byzantine history

[@IamSome1]

What software or app, insane job thanks for the high quality

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I used and paint net and thank you!

[@MrInkSpot]

Very good video, but what software did you use to make this video? In particular, the software used to edit the map slides and text into it and such. I am planning an alternate history video of my own and I am curious.

[@DivineHellas]

This is what Greece should have been like but the lands which I think Greece should have been if we are to be a bit more humble, then I think all the lands of Western Anatolia with Attaleia in the south some miles east of that a vertical line the whole way up to the black sea And on the European side all the lands from central Balkan Mountains and downwards as a great natural barrier and a pretty straight horizontal line from the central Balkan mountains the whole way to Epidamnos on the Nova Epirote coast. All these lands are much of the essence of Greece and I think those are the lands that Greece today should have had.

[@pakistanimapperr]

mamluks after retaking antioch for the 248th time:

[@Eazy-ERyder]

This was really sweet. Would love to see more alternate history in favor of the Roman-Greeks

[@Slayrid]

Can you also remaster your alternative history of Greece video? (not stressa front, but from 1832-2022)

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Im planning on doing it

[@Slayrid]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 is it going to be your next video, an dif not, what will it be?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@Slayrid alt.history of Turkey will be the next one, I will see later about alt.history of Greece

[@Slayrid]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 ok, thx

[@tomislavsliskovic9738]

Very nice and entertaining. Thanks :)

[@groman9900]

Μπράβο φίλε, καταπληκτικό!

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

ευχαριστω πολυ

[@jordanorfanopoulos6697]

now that would be a beauty today......! Great Work.....!

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thanks a lot!

[@TurkiyeMustPeaceWithIsraelKSA]

great video! however, there's a few things i would change; 3:51 I think that the mongol invasions wouldve happened earlier because the mongols were already present in the area and even if they didnt try tro invade the empire, ogedei had already an invasion of europe planned since 1234. Then the invasion would probably end in 1241 with his death and nothing much would happen afterwards as the mongol empire wasnt that strong after that. 7:27 With the collapse of the Ilkhanate in 1335, the Byzantines would probably have organized an invasion of persia as soon as they possibly could. 8:35 As teh Serbian Empire collapsed in 1371, I think the Byzantines would have invaded it right away. 13:26 Since the Safavids started rising in 1501 and were strong enough to take out all of their local enemies in under 20 years, and the byzantine empire was in civil war and would later be invaded by multiple european powers, the fact the safavids weren't even mentioned is kind of concerning. 15:39 You were way too generous in my opinion with how easily the byzantines defeated the hungarians. I dont think they could have won 2 wars one after the other like that, and once again, I don't get how the Safavids didn't try an invasion. Also, the byzantines were given land that isn't even hungarian so I think other parties would be involved in this war. 16:17 How could the byzantines sustain a colony in venezuela for so long even though in 1579, the area around venezuela had already been occupied by the spanish? 17:14 I dont think its realistic that the safavids could be distracted fighting in their eastern border as them and the Mughal Empire (dominant empire in india at this time) were in good terms + the natural boundaries of the empire would have likely repelled a big invasion like it happened. 21:26 The byzantines cold probably notve invaded sicily like that, austria would definetly be a larger threat as theyve shown us in our timeline during the great turkish war. 22:08 Same thing, also the rise of the Hotaks is just completely ignored. 23:46 The revolutionary events happened way to early 24:15 Napoleon didn't land in egypt? 25:46 I'm surprised that during the 1848 revolutions didn't spread onto the balkans, egypt or anatolia, as from what you've showed me, I thought that they didn't have the best treatment inside the empire. 26:55 Why didn"t the empire grab a seat in the Berlin Conference (strugle for africa)? 27:31 How did the russian revolution happen like that if Russia was winning the war?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Okay so im actually gonna need this for my remastered video because you actually spotted a lot of things that actually don't make sense 😆 The only one I can explain is that the Russians in WW1 weren't really winning, its sorta like OTL here, and the poor living conditions led to the Revolution. Although thank you for the rest as I'll need to pay attention to those in my video

[@TurkiyeMustPeaceWithIsraelKSA]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 No problem! Looking forward for the remastered video

[@iiiii2346]

So I have a few questions 1. is the fake "North macedonia" not around in this timeline? 2. Who is Byzantium top 3 best allies and top 3 worst enemies 3. Lets say somehow Britain still gets their filthy hands on the parthenon marbles, how would byzantium go about it 4. What's is their global firepower ranking exactly? 5. And lastly would the Golden dawn (Χρυσή αυγή) still be around?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

1. Nope, as you can see in the map the region is part of Byzantium 2. Hmm, good allies of Byzantium are Egypt, Kurdistan and Armenia. Serbia is also a good ally. Israel, Iran and Azerbaijan are its worst enemies 3. They don't get their hands on it, but even if they did Byzantium would put much more focus on retaking them 4. As mentioned in NATO they are the second strongest military power. Globally I would say maybe 5th-6th strongest military power. 5. Nope

[@leigon.]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 Ha! Funny how with the Golden dawn you just say nope.. but seriously all the members of that thing should have been put 6 feet under a long time ago

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@leigon. Thats a big topic to discuss, I think some deserved it but not neceserrily all

[@DivineHellas]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335he Italian bros will be good allies maybe even WWII would have turned out so extremely different if this happened. Hitler would probably shit his pants trying to face this nation and Italy may never have tried anything against Greece perhaps they would even have allied with Greece. And the Roman connection between the two countries Italy and Greece would have been even stronger Moussilini would never have claimed to be a greater successor of Rome if Rome in the east literally was still alive, if he did anything then it would be to ally with Hellas I don’t think he would try go on war against a Greece like this one. And also Greece would not have Euro they would keep their Drachme and they wouldn’t be part of EU they might even have their own Roman Union for unification and cooperation between Balkan and Mediterranean countries. Like “The Roman Union” or something. Imagine that..

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@DivineHellas Interesting idea, I don't think Byzantium joined the EU in my timeline though I haven't watched it for months so I don't remember some stuff and I ain't sure

[@Helleniccommander1821]

Πολύ ωραίο βίντεο!

[@eternal_riftz8801]

what is the music around 8:00

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

A Byzantine chant called Την Υπερμαχω/Tin Ypermaho

[@Lepidivs]

It's very nice and fan. Good work

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thanks!

[@gamingdealer9514]

Pretty interesting overall, it has some wrong alt history assumption that tell me you dont really know much about geopolitical history but that ok.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Well I can't say im a historian or anything, I only try to do my best. Thank for the feedback though!

[@guidozhao7264]

finally someone who calls it eastern roman empire and not byzantine empire cuz the people even in the 1400s called themselves romans

[@sethfrisbie3957]

You might like the song called The Chosen Ones by Dream Evil along with Losing You by Dream Evil.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Its nice

[@sethfrisbie3957]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 there is also Chosen Twice by Dream Evil.

[@bobbobb4804]

The Levantine and Egypt would’ve probably remained Christian

[@spartathemapper]

Mha boy lived longer than San Marino

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

YESSSS

[@yosinxonmuxidullayev3104]

Katta xolangniki mamluklar bilan usmoniylar urush olib borgan keyin hech qachon saljuqiylar vizantiya tarkibiga kirmagan o'rta asrlar tarixini yaxshilab o'qlarning kallavaramlar

[@ndmmt-wu7kz]

You’re missing the point. Both Byzantium and Rome fell not because of a particular battle but because of internal political contradictions that prevented them from mustering the internal resources to surmount crises. The far smaller Roman Republic that crushed Carthage was stronger than the huge empire that lost to Alaric.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@ndmmt-wu7kz That is true. However Byzantium here manaxes to slowly fix some internal issues (such as replacing the mercenary-based army with a "national" one by the 13th century) which strenghtened its position over time. Having won the battle which allowed it to restore Anatolia and hold the Empire all together, it could manage to slowly move into reforms. I know its a bit of an ideal scenario though

[@HyperGbsLeader]

based

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thanks

[@basileusmapping7852]

How did you make your blank maps (terrain and texture)

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Screenshot from google maps, then in a new layer I was drawing the coastline and the borders and then I was making the entire area inside the coastline white

[@mareklimanowski]

34:14 Thank you for this movie 🙂 .

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Mini-Movie yessir

[@GF-yh9tb]

Anatolian good ending.

[@adalfyre7937]

It's beautiful...

[@kianakaslana1210]

Ah yes the classic, the Axis was stopped right at the gate of Constantinople.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

my favourite one

[@astillia6073]

Antioch after changing hands for the 13th time:💀

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

its just how it is my friend....

[@vitovitale8325]

I am a history buff by nature, I really like (love probably more appropriate) this kind of "what-if" genre, but, as I am not 20 years old any more, the teeny tiny descriptions are very hard to see ! that is my only issue (so, when I is this style of "what-if's" I tend to shy-away from them as I have start/stop & squint [do plan on getting a "page magnifier" you don't hold it, just place on "page"] to be able to read & follow the narrative, I love is what-if/alt-history genre & eat it up like candy... help a brother out... home-boy... thanx🙏🙂🖖V3

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I understand, can you read the texts in videos like this?

[@CaptainSiameas12]

Τελειο

[@Hihello13919]

Love it

[@milanhalmagyi7216]

Broo the Poles would've never attacked Hungary

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Yeah my bad

[@ГеоргиШаламанов-б2з]

Dreams

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Nightmares or lucid ones?

[@iamdovahkiin6665]

Are there areas in the former empire that converted to orthodox from islam

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I'd say parts of the Levant, mainly Syria which is half Christian half Muslim

[@shirkam3657]

Oh, so it looks like im a Greco-American now. Cursed, but epic.

[@The_Thalassian]

Rising sun of Europe🗣️🗣️☦️

[@slibertas1996]

Is the Protestant demographic too small In this alternate country?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Not many Protestants live in Byzantium like IRL Greece, the only region with some Catholic Majority is Sicily which has many Italians

[@sethfrisbie3957]

Which viewer terrifies you the most?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

No one really, maybe kinda you

[@sethfrisbie3957]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 reasoning?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@sethfrisbie3957 well you get the point, you ain't an average citizen i guess

[@sethfrisbie3957]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 I see. That and the whole imperialism thing and being a none-stereotypical American. That and also the fact that God speaks to me at times.

[@Jeff10_30]

Great video , but i think there wont be rise of the islamic state in this timeline due to Iraq and arab areas being christianized due to assimilation of these area into the eastern roman empire

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I mean you are right but its kinda late now

[@Jeff10_30]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 😅

[@TheChosenTurk]

Love greece from turkiye GRTR :D Why we are enemies we have to be friends :D

[@TheChosenTurk]

i am saying true :D

[@sethfrisbie3957]

Would it be accurate to call me the American outcast?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Kinda

[@vando2476]

Amazing Alternate History Video @ponticgreekmapper1335! This has me questioning more about Rhomania's reputation and relationships with the rest of the world or mainly central Europe. I'm not sure if Rhomania (Byzantine) is a member of the European Union as there was no mention of it most likely because of political mishaps (perhaps not wanting to be caught in a debt crisis like OTL Greece) but can play a major role in trade for a non-EU country. In Africa, I believed that the relationship between Byzantine and Ethiopia would be much bigger and stronger for both countries in trade/military alliance purposes as both majority religions are Christian Orthodox (Byzantine would probably help play a part in keeping Ethiopia from being colonized and independent during the Scramble for Africa and help fight the Italians in East Africa Campaign during WW2.). In the Middle East, the United States would probably have a smaller influence than in our timeline as Arabia (All Unified Arabia Peninsula countries except Yemen) would work more positively with Byzantine as with the rest of the middle eastern countries except Iraq, falling under the influence of Iran so, Probably no 9/11, Iraq Invasion, or war in Afghanistan? Then again, the Islamic State Insurgency exists in this timeline just without Iraq and probably backed by Iran with more or less Islamic Republic. As for the relationship between the US and Byzantine, it would be both good and tense at times as it's interesting to see the 2 Western powers having different viewpoints and ideologies as the US supports Israel as a Western-backed country (More to gain influence and some oil) while Byzantine still recognizes Palestine as a country as well. Unlike OTL Turkey which is a NATO member for strategic purposes, Byzantine is a main pillar and founder of NATO and has more to say than just the US which can lead to a feud between the 2 of them as both are powers in their different regions.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Hmm, you are analyzing some interesting concepts here. I will mostly stand on your mention of the Islamists. No, the Jihadists got little to no foreign support, they were just fighting on their own but easily managed to rise due to their successful campaigns and support from specific regions. The US-Byzantine relations were good during the Cold War but started to deteriote as USA has a more "progressive" western view unlike the Byzantine "Conservative" views in social issues, while also geopolitical differences exist (such as hostility in their interests in the M.East and the decent Byzantine-Russian relations) Byzantine influence in North Africa (Egypt, Sudan and Abyssinia) is strong due to their presence in Egypt for a long period of time, the Greek community of Alexandria and the Byzantine support to Abyssinia.

[@vando2476]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 Awesome! Would love to read/watch the relationship between Europe and Byzantine as well but that covers all my questions. Thank you! Edit: Side note I also assume that the Relationship between Ukraine and Byzantine is more or less positive.

[@sagittariusa7662]

Wouldn't it all be Greek Speaking by the 20th century if they maintain control for so long? There would be no Bulgarians or Serbs. They would be integrated into the Greek identity and would be speaking Greek. I can see the Croats lingering since they are Catholic and wouldn't easily integrate, but if they are not turn into a vassal, either integration or genocide would still happen.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

The Byzantine Empire wasn't largely concerned in assimilating into the Greek culture, which is why the Arabs still maintained Islam for the most part, and the Slavs in the Balkans kept their own identities. Although you make a valid point that there would have been greater assimilation

[@Faisal-pb5gu]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 I do not think that the Byzantines would allow the Arabs to remain Muslims They may allow them to keep their language and culture, but they will force them to forcibly convert to Orthodox Christianity.

[@ilect1690]

this is literally just the ottoman empire

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Yes

[@YellowAthenian1924]

They were similar in a way if you think about it

[@Bloxoren]

Rhomania=Romanian This is a joke?😐

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

No. The Eastern Roman Empire in medieval times was also known as Rhomania. Not to be confused with the word "Romania" in the slightest

[@Bloxoren]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 I'm sorry, I don't know. But now I will know

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@Bloxoren its fine don't worry about it

[@Bloxoren]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 But honestly, the video is very good

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@Bloxoren thank you very much

[@BGDNMMI]

Way way too optimistic. The Byzies couldn't take over southern nor the whole Crimea from the Golden Horde. Fighting on so many fronts is exactly what is going to crush you. The general instability at home and the unrest in Anatolia which has to be assimilated into Hellenic and Orthodox culture wouldn't allow for that much expansion. Forget about conquering Bulgaria or Serbia. Hostility from the Mamlukes... In my opinion the most important thing is to avoid the Fourth Crusade and hope someone better than the Angeloi takes the throne and stabilizes the Empire. In any viabile scenario expansion is very slow. You make the Byzies win at Myriokephalon, I'd rather see them loose. Then a situation like 1204 my come. As you know Trebizond is founded before the Sack and if that was avoided and the Angeloi thrown down from the Palace then maybe Byzantium stands a chance. The Sultanate of Rum being invaded by Mongols and it crumbling little by little favors Byzantium as it could stabilize under a real dynasty and in time take over coastal Anatolia and make the Turks leave outside of it or Inner Anatolia. Anyway this is really hard and hostility from Bulgaria, Serbia and even Hungary has to be managed somehow. Also Emperor's word is law, the succesion has to become Primogeniture! Women should also be allowed to rule and suceded by the first born. All of this takes a lot of time by the way but it could have been achieved if lucky. Inner Anatolia has to retaken and the culture must change as will the habits. Turks will become Greeks in time and I assume this proces will be painful as Anatolia has to be guarded and garrisoned by troops who have to come from somewhere. Also Timur and 1402 but I suppose he would be fighting the beyiliks and weaken them even more as Byzantium wouldn't be able to retake all of Anatolia and instead it s lands there would be raided but Timur couldn't be able to cross and much less take Constantinople. After early 15th century if Byzantium is still around and if the venetians and the genoeses weren't as strong as in real life and if Bulgaria also weakens being between Serbia, Byzantium and Hungary and also it having been defeated by Mongols 200 years earlier and being unable to expand in the Balkans to destroy Byzantium but delay them, then the Byzies may start to look at ways to expand first into Anatolia and then into the Balkans. Albania and Bulgaria should be conquered and Serbia and Bosnia vassalized. Hungary would be a problem but they would be attracted more and more towards Austria only to fall eventually under a personal union with them. In this lucky vacuum Byzantium must act. Anatolia first. The real question is how do you get to keep all these places judging by how bad the Court was and also revelions and issues with the West and Persia, Mamlukes even Russia later on so... at some point this thing collapses as all empires do. I have a hard time thinking they get to Industrial Age as they were far too old in real and facing demographic decline in Anatolia before 1071 and overall bad at longterm unity under a single dynasty so they eventually were replaced and succeded in many respects by the Ottomans.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Well generally the Byzantine Empire wad always at constant wars fighting on various fronts. In fact I think I was merciful on that aspect, as the Empire was usually much more busy. Lets not forget that the Ottomans, a much smaller tribe/state whatever secured much more territory in shorter amounts of time. Though I definitely agree with the succession issue. Its one of the key reasons behind the E.R.E's downfall. Trebizond was not created as the weird dynasty game that was played a month before the 4th crusade doesn't happen here, as the Emperor after 1203 stabilizes the situation (as far as I remember at least)

[@BGDNMMI]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 The thing is Byzantium would never be able to stabilize so rapidly and then retake this much amount of land and get to keep it. The state was too decadent in 1203. Also the way the court worked favoured the Angeloi but I guess you could make an Emperor different then any other mentioned. Then Anatolia which is to most important place in the Puzzle has to be returned and that will take time. It is Turkish and Muslim, yeah it is divided but too big to be retaken and assimilated that rapidly. It will take decades of violent efforts and suppresion. Basicaly all the proces that started after 1071 has to be revarsed at least 75%...

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@BGDNMMI yeah, I mean the campaigns in Anatolia lasted for a long time and resistance movements formed by Seljuks still existed for many decades.

[@gunbfkcr]

Good joke😂

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Its called alternative history for a reason my friend. If you don't like it I can find coping asylums for you

[@kendraolvera901]

and its bad!

[@justinianthegreat1444]

Basically a Greek Ottoman Empire

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Yeah pretty much

[@costas88]

Byzantine empire is Albanian 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Gigachad Albanian Empire

[@costas88]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 hehe

[@Aris1.4.1]

απλά πανέμορφο φίλε πραγματικά πανέμορφο δεν έχω λόγια 🇬🇷🇨🇾✝️🦅🙏🏼🫡🪖 🔥🇹🇷🇦🇱☪️🔥

[@Glitchobus4000]

By the way, Russian empire tries ressurect byzantine empire

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@Glitchobus4000 that was... 3 centuries ago

[@mahmud2.]

stop being islamaphobic

[@randomcypriot]

Πολύ ενδιαφέρον βίντεο. Μοιάζει λίγο με ένα άλλο βίντεο που έκανες για το Βυζάντιο αλλά αυτές οι 35 μέρες άξιζαν 🗿

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Επειδή είναι το remastered, πήρα πολλά πράγματα από το κανονικο

[@sanlee6328]

An empire that is 2700 years old...

[@eternal_riftz8801]

I feel like by the time it is 1500 they would have taken creynica, egypt, levant and expanded even futher to Africa , Mauritania and mesopotamia by 1600 and should focus on colonizing all of The Raj and pacific islands and then take phillipines and then buy alaska from the russians and try conquering canada from british empire

[@12Italian_Catholic]

Wish I lived in this timeline

[@billychops1280]

This was very interesting, I’m surprised however that the Greeks/Romans didn’t relocate rebelling populations, such as the Bulgarians and Serbs, north of the Danube, in real life population relocation was a very common and used tactic by the Byzantines, I’m surprised it wasn’t used at all

[@sethfrisbie3957]

Here is a fun fact being Japan almost became Christian in the 1600s when there was a Christian Samurai rebellion because of the harsh taxes that cannot be paid by the people so in turn many began converting to Christianity and rebelled against the Japanese Shogun.

[@jabradococonutfrosting9513]

I would like to thank you for providing us viewers with an excellent alt history video! I have a question though, could there have been a possibility of coexistence between the Byzantine Empire and Ottoman Empire? I know its probably impossible since they occupied the same area, but I would like to get your stance on this.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I strongly doubt. They were hostile powers and as you said had claims on the same area. They could not co-exist without divine intervention from the skies.

[@jabradococonutfrosting9513]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 Alright, thanks for the answer!

[@waveiscursed]

peak is around 23:29

[@saobaomenace]

and it declined alot form 23:29 to 33:38

[@georgios_5342]

16:21 ok, how? Shouldn't Byzantium industrialize first, or gain some sort of access to the Atlantic? The only way I see Byzantium colonizing is in the Indian Ocean. Dominating Sinai and then parts of Africa, India and possibly Madagascar, Sri Lanka or a part of Indonesia or Australia.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

They had the naval strenght to go colonizing mode unlike the Ottomans who didn't have experienced sailors for such an operation. If they had good ties with the Spanish (at least for that period) they would be able to cross the Gibraltar and go in the Americas. Then afterwards some wars begun with the Spanish which took over the colony

[@xmaniac99]

Literally the whole timeline changes but the discovery of the America's and Low Countries revolt occur as in original timeline :-)

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I mean, why the heck not

[@tomytoma6287]

i watched all of your video ok i understand is just what if fictional but i dont think wallachia and moldovia would ever be enemies of the empire or want to break way as wallachia and moldovia are the byzantines after the byzantines the very name they call themselves is Romania , i read some books on Romanian History and they preserved byzantine traditions into de modern times, but hey you made your views on your silly greek nationalism, but just to let you know greek, I call myself Romanian even now 2024 you dont anymore for atlest 180 years where is the Legacy of ROMANIA?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Chill its fictional, although I could use the idea for my remastered of the remastered edition

[@aggelos20-83]

BASED

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thanks

[@nearhos3106]

Really nice video!

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Thanks!

[@timothylee2772]

This is the alternative history that I wish for it to be reality. Imagine a world where the United States and the Eastern Roman Empire co-exist. The only difference is that there would be no Turkey and maybe a few other regional differences.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Basically yeah its like RL with only regional differences.

[@lamelime1]

I like how there's two Romanias

[@BombettaPela]

i think the only difference is: the Eastern Roman Empire is called Ròmania and the other is calle Romània

[@xmaniac99]

Plot twist, Protestantism never happens and Luther converts to Orthodoxy.

[@Christian_Sannino]

if the Byzantine Empire wants to truly define itself as successors of Rome then it must conquer Italy, no Italy, No Rome and no Romans

[@eternal_riftz8801]

You sound like those catholics in 800s and so on and doesn't cgange the fact that the roman empire lasted the longest more 1480 years

[@masculineman123]

You didnt mention its economic situation. What is byzantium's gdp, gdp per capita, debt?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

GDP I'd say 5 trillion, GDP per capita no idea, debt probably around 400 billion

[@masculineman123]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 Nice. I suppose germany would be at around the same gdp because they have austria (and possibly western Germany)? Both states must be ahead of japan

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@masculineman123 Germany has its modern-day borders but is slightly bigger because it has Austria, Tyrol and some border lands in Poland

[@spartanmapping333]

Alr dude great quality but there is seriously no way the same things like Bolshevikism, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Austria Hungary, and all that jazz would still happen. Even if Rhomania remained isolated, the butterfly effect is enough to change everything.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Well yes I know but I tried to follow historical accuracy in global geopolitics.

[@Desepted]

how does romania still exist with that name

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Idk I lacked imagination

[@Крэйден_х]

9:45 Although I am a big fan of Byzantium, I strongly doubt that they could defeat Tamerlane. In my imagination, the best that could come out is a more difficult battle at Ankara, where Tamerlane wins but suffers significant losses, after which he reaches Ionia and Bithynia, realizing that with his remaining strength and undermined health he cannot take coastal fortresses, after which he concludes a favorable peace with the Greeks.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I see, you make a fair point, I didn't think of it like that at the moment. Thanks for the feedback!

[@Крэйден_х]

@@ponticgreekmapper1335 Thank you for making this video! I can point in some more places, but, to be fair, I like what you are created. Just try to make it a little more brilliant.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

@@Крэйден_х I honestly wouldn't mind, im welcome to know mistakes I have done in the video

[@IamSome1]

@@Крэйден_х you have a really good point however, Just like Tamerlane posseses The Kazars and The Gokturks, The Romans possesed The Varangian guard, and if at the Time and Only *if* The Romans were under The control of a general to the likes of Alexios the I kommnenos They could easily fight back, Or basil II ik they have a huge difference in timeline, However the Varangians were shocker troops, And with the cavalry closing in on them And them wielding throwing axes and Heavy armour it would be impossible to Beat them, since they also had horses and an active Roman Cavalry The cataphracts

[@kirbydaclan4285]

Doubt things would happen the same way they did considering the POD like Napoleon, ww1, ww2, but hey its still a great video

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I know, I tried to do some small alters but the world timeline remained for the most part the same

[@godoveraa]

Great video, with what app or page did you did this? Its great for mapping

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

paint.net

[@scotlandmaper3309]

Omaegattt so kulllll

[@NikephorosCaesar]

Great video always like seeing Byzantine get alt history but I just don’t see how it could survive after manzikert

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

I think its chances were lost after the battle of Myriokephalon (which was the point of divergence in the video) and after 1204. Manzikert was the beginning of the fall of Byzantine Anatolia, but it could have been reversed during the 12th century

[@georgios_5342]

5:54 also using gunpowder, finally, to destroy the mongol horse archers

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Not really, the first Byzantine-Chinese contact happened in the 1330s, so they wouldn't have gunpowder.

[@sethfrisbie3957]

What are some differences between me and my leader?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Well he agrees with me in the Ireland issue. He is pro-Ukranian as well

[@danielpagehome3756]

so like what happens to the turks?

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

They live in Azerbaijan, Central Asia and the Caucasus and Siberia

[@sethfrisbie3957]

I remember once being told that I am the strangest person someone has met.

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

Haha I guess he had his reasons

[@jaikhera3964]

what happened to the turks

[@ponticgreekmapper1335]

They live in Azerbaijan, parts of Russia and Central Asia