Aluminum Beauty Rings Part 1- Turning & Facing in the American Pacemaker Lathe

[@ericmcrae7758]

Adam is a normal guy with a KZbin channel why do so many tell him he is doing it wrong, when all he is doing is showing his way to do a job. I dont see these other "top machinist" channels, give him a break. An episode with CNC and lathe work and they are still not happy. I enjoy his work.

[@andrewterry8092]

People can say whatever they want, especially in response to a video that is posted for public viewing and public comment. Why do you get butthurt over some guys (who you don't know and never will) comments about a video on the internet? And why do you feel justified in complaining about said comments, just because you don't like them? The hypocrisy here is mind-blowing.

[@markjh2005]

Wow, winge-ception right here.

[@frankd3024]

@@andrewterry8092Gleiche Liga, würde ich sagen. Aber auch Sie können sagen was Sie wollen. …wollte ich nur anmerken. Friede uns allen 😉

[@USSR04]

100%

[@SINNER5150]

Because SOME people have no life,and can't stand for anyone else to have any popularity!

[@KennethWhite-f8c]

I haven't been watching but 6 minutes..... I'm already getting all school kid giddy on seeing the tapper being cut.... I still like to see abom on his manual machine's.... Just a craftsman doing what they do and do well well always be art in my world....

[@SupremeRuleroftheWorld]

1:10 "measurements are not critical". i fully expect to see Adam chase tens in the next hour.

[@LordFawful13]

man it is so cool seeing both the cnc lathe and the American pacemaker running at the same time! that has got to be a great feeling.

[@stuartschaffner9744]

It's nice to see how you can move from one technique to another to use whatever works best at that moment.

[@jwdickinson1]

Adam, after being a three year subscriber, you are most certainly, dare I say it, a cut above! Love the content you publish! 👊👊👍👍👍

[@RobertGracie]

Great to see the American Pacemaker is back in action, I have missed her so badly! awesome work!

[@Nf6xNet]

2 thou under on a 20.5" purely cosmetic part is exactly the kind of overkill that talks to me. Your customer's getting good work there! 🍻

[@jaybailey3518]

Adam, you might want to try parafin wax on aluminum, on the face or the edge. Just dress the face and the edge while it's spinning and take the cut. It usually stays where you put it, even when the part gets too hot, it just liquefies.

[@irorules]

I've seen the Instagram posts teasing this job and have been patiently waiting for the youtube videos. Can't wait to watch this one!

[@gerriefarman3174]

Love the old-school machining videos. Can't wait for the next videos.

[@Uncle-Duncan-Shack]

Hi Adam, Stretching a bicycle inner tube around the perimeter of the disc will serve as a harmonic damper when turning a disc, seen the guys turning brake rotors do it. That or ratchet strapping an old serpentine belt from a car engine to the perimeter works too, just cut it and wrap it around with the strap or tie it with wire. A lot of options there, some rubber door stops between the face of the chuck and the material being turned is also an awesome damper for oscillations. I felt your pain when the oil can got crushed, one takes so much care to not mess things up but accidents still happen. Now really looking forward to the next part with the milling. Kind regards, Duncan.

[@calebfaires9782]

The shop I work for still uses vernier calipers for anything between 12 and 48 inches that doesn't require micrometer levels of tolerances. Anything bigger than 48 inches we get the pie tapes out.

[@erichoff7926]

Another great job from a true craftsman and professional!

[@learnaswegofarm2227]

Adam my friend! As always super informational for us who learn from your vids. You are a wonderful talented teacher!!! Never miss a video anymore!

[@radardoug]

I had a similar problem with my Noga Mini Cool and after a couple of years of use it just finally stopped siphoning the coolant from the reservoir. I found that the small orifices on the banjo bolts that attach the hoses to the valve body had become plugged with contamination. Cleaning those fixed everything.

[@37yearsofanythingisenough39]

Try mixing your mist coolant with distilled water. I’ve had 2 of them for years and never had a problem.

[@CothranMike]

@@37yearsofanythingisenough39 You are correct, distilled water will not crust any of the orifices with lime deposits. And if you have plenty to spare it makes a fine carbonated drink for the occasional sip.

[@37yearsofanythingisenough39]

@@CothranMike also use it in a Kureig pod coffee maker for the same reason.

[@CothranMike]

@@37yearsofanythingisenough39 most of the time folks only use tap water rather... additionally distilled water as a regular part of you water intake is not advised. There are reasons, do the research, I personally mix tap water as ice with distilled water to change the amount of limestone I intake. Here where I live there is too hard a water gradient for my kidneys the resultant stones and oxilate deposits are not cheap.

[@MH-qq3kj]

As a hobbyist machinist, watching Adam work just fascinates me. I learn something every video. My pieces are a fraction of the size but still requires the same steps to get reliable parts for the project. No CNV, no mill, just all manual lathe work in a small garage. Thanks for the lessons.

[@raimogeel9497]

With the slow rpm”s you can probably put a stressball between the plate and chuck to stop the ringing.

[@deemstyle]

Wow the through coolant boring bar was trick!! That looked like just the right tool for the job.

[@beaversixniner]

Any time the Pacemaker is fired up is a good time.

[@toms.3977]

I love it when you try a new insert.

[@VincentParisien]

You need to get yourself one of those rare fancy Aluminum magnets to pickup the scrap on the lathe and floor. Great vid as usual!

[@mfc4591]

I worked for a semi fabricating company, all the dealt with was aluminium, so for them there was no scrap as they just sent all the bits and pieces to the furnace and produced their own billets and ingots, its tricky stuff !

[@carlbyington5185]

It doesn't matter how the bottom finish is.... But that extra step might make them pay attention, and order other stuff needed !

[@peterlee8982]

I like your problem solving skills. Great job.

[@RambozoClown]

Nice manual constant surface speed with the speed shift. "You just gotta be quick about it"

[@terrywildman3362]

Some advice from a 30 year CNC veteran us A bullnosed mill higher surface for way better finish

[@jamesbramlett5407]

Adam - It would be fun to see a video where you collect all your chips, off-cuts & scrap...how you manage all of it, keep it all separate, then how you compress it before recycling it. How long do you wait until you recycle? Do you wait until prices are high, do you wait until you have X amount of full barrels, do you save indefinitely then do a mass recycling event, or do you try to keep the scrap piles down, and recycle as often as possible? It might be fun to see a year's worth of effort...which would be a lot of video clips over a long period, but I think that'd be a fun project and a cool video idea.

[@ronnydowdy7432]

❤ Very interesting job your doing in the flex mill with the ball windmill. I am very much interested in seeing this particular finish

[@tsmartin]

Looks like a 3 jaw scroll chuck would be a good investment for the Pacemaker.

[@sylvainrichard1577]

i look at the reflection of the tool in the part and it look pretty darn stable to me

[@thesawdustfactory]

Thanks Adam ... I appreciate the work holding solutions. Regards, R

[@rionstretton8133]

The shop is singing. Awesome ❤ it. You have made it interesting with manual and automatic machining all a once. Love your work ❤

[@ZombifiedWatermelon]

Water Jet is incredibly expensive. I work in the electrical transmission industry and we needed to make a small odd shaped bracket to attach a piece of equipment to a substation pole. Long story short because of the shape it couldn't be made by conventionally bending a U-Shaped bracket and it needed to be fairly precise. Anyway we found a company to cut it out via water jet that could get it to us in the timeframe we needed and hold the tolerance required. 5" x 5" x 2" tall bracket cost us $600!!!!

[@matter9]

“Fast Cheap or Accurate, pick two” surely you’ve heard this before, and from the sounds of it your requirement was fast and accurate.

[@jamesschantz582]

Adam, Fun Project idea….Make a flat base for your damaged oiler to sit in.

[@higginsjimmyjh]

little old school with a little new school, love it... Abom: have you ever thought about getting a apprentice? or are you not there yet?... he could do the cleaning part you know!!!!! 🙃

[@Bob_Adkins]

Pretty sure he would have talk to Abby about that first. 😜

[@higginsjimmyjh]

@@Bob_Adkins YOUR RIGHT!!!! sorry Adam.... the broom is in the other corner..... just kidding, we luv ya Abby

[@btschmieds]

I am looking forward to you getting to disassemble the American Pacemaker for maintenance

[@necron998]

If the base is meant to sit on the floor, it should be hollowed out so only a ring around the outside of the base touches the floor. If flat, any little imperfection on the floor or a tiny piece of dirt or gravel will make the whole assembly unstable.

[@MechanicalAdvantage]

Did you see the reference part he was given to duplicate? His job isn't to design the parts. His job is to make what the customer asks for. They already had a working part, they just wanted more of them made.

[@necron998]

I saw it. I just figured as a machinist, he would have some input to what he is machining. As an engineer, I always listened to the guys doing the actual job, and it made all of our lives better.

[@MechanicalAdvantage]

@@necron998 Or its very likely that all parties knew the application this part was being used in and just wanted 8 more.

[@ronwilliams329]

@@necron998 Lord, I wish you worked for us! Our engineers don't listen to cr@#.

[@tellyfaulkner3466]

@@ronwilliams329 So that's what's wrong with all the car manufacturers said no mechanic ever because they already knew that. Lol

[@Ideasite]

I've had some of my best results and biggest disasters with aluminum. Sometimes it makes me feel like a genius. Other times I look like a moron. I know there are different types of aluminum and I know I still have a lot to learn. "Feel it out" is the beast advice I've heard. I adjust one direction or the other on speed or feed & see how it sounds. I know I'm over the target when the cutting just hisses.

[@wingnoit]

You gotta machine a base for the oiler so nit sits! It's not over, it's the next evolution.

[@skwerlz]

You could go so ham on the Fusion training with this order and your bed mill. Mill all 8 at the same time out of an 8x4 plate, leave tabs so you can break them out. Oh the possibilities.

[@philbert006]

Why? When the customer with a plasma table can precut the material and save half his cost

[@skwerlz]

@@philbert006 never said it was economical, just that it would be a great learning experience.

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

Go look at the actual specs of an 8x4 sheet for parallel, flatness and deviation from nominal size. If the flex was setup to handle full sheets with a sacrificial material backer then it might be an option otherwise it would be a dog to support it in space above the rails.

[@wizardind3203]

i keep standoffs for my lathes 2" round alum measure from the face of the chuck to the back of your alum rings plus a 1/8' to 1/4" drill thru for allen bolts with counter sinks extra deep ,bolt them in your T slots face them to even length bump your alum ring snug may use tape on the stand off faces it will hold the ring straight and will stop the ringing, the stand offs make it sometimes make it act like a 8 jaw or a 6 jaw on a 3 jaw chuck.i drill and tap my 3 jaws they have no T slots it's worth drilling just be careful of the scrolls. your turn tool is outside of the ways that will lift the back of the carriage you may feel the back of the carriage and fill it lift you may turn the tool upside down to turn it the front of the carriage is heavier it may fix it

[@johnschneider3082]

Adam, have you ever tried putting something like a rubber door stop or something like that between the chuck and the workpiece to maybe knock down some of the noise?

[@nickskulark6318]

I like the deadblow trick

[@paulmace7910]

Your shop, your rules. My vote would be either a single sheet on the Flex or 8 sheared squares on the Flex. No taper attachment on the Pacemaker?

[@jackrichards1863]

Awesome. I enjoy noticing these new tools you are introducing to the shop also Adam. Some I catch your introduction others are just there. I wasn't when you got them probably. BIG ali plates those. I don't enjoy the stock pure aluminium I sometimes encounter in what I get to do. Galling and gouging are constant worries. I appreciate the skill and know-how required to make a production run of the soft muck. It definitely has a precious place in our world though!😊

[@mxlje]

Bummer about the oiler. You could try 3d scan it with your phone and then CNC a little base for it so it doesn’t wobble anymore and then you can keep using it!

[@rolandolievanoagudelo.5112]

Muy buen trabajo maestro bendiciones.

[@V8freaks]

I always wanted to build a big centrifuge. Your lathe would be ideal for it!!!

[@buckzillakiller]

Hey nice work , enjoy following along. Being green I find this interesting. This is my retirement job.

[@PålØkern]

Thank you for your video 🙏 Just one thing Adam. I love watching your work, I’m spending Saturday evening alone watching it, but for other engineers as myself, do not flip the image so that right turn on threads become left 😖🙏❤️

[@omaristephens2143]

Huh? Abom doesn't flip videos

[@qzwqsy]

I love these longer videos. Nice job Adam.

[@bobderemer5015]

That is the first time I've seen a machinist turned gearjammin' trucker👍🤣😅

[@angelramos-2005]

Beautiful detail work,Adam.Everything works well.Thank you.

[@joeford4016]

Classic Adam Booth fit and finish. Inspiring.

[@angelramos-2005]

@@joeford4016 Thank you for your comment.

[@markcargill1185]

What if you took a skateboard wheel or a solid rubber wheel that had a very light spring pressure against it to run on the non cut side to prevent the ringing and chatter?

[@legionofanon]

With a spring, you could even keep it on the face when facing it

[@Cancun771]

Another keeper.

[@lostvikinga]

Hello Adam, i use special inserts for Aluminium they are polished finish(looks like mirror) and have a smaller radius so are sharper they work well for me.

[@lapierretube1735]

Hello from France🤚🤚

[@Abom79]

👋🏻

[@jameskilpatrick7790]

My initial feeling is that milling that taper with a ballnose endmill in the FlexCNC won't be much faster, and likely not as good looking, as setting up the lathe and turning it. Dunno, though, I've never done one that big and shiny, or with an endmill as large as Adam's probably going to use in that big spindle. It'll be cool to see how it works out.

[@MechanicalAdvantage]

He had thoughts on that for sure. We looked at just roughing in the mill and doing the finish pass in the lathe. There are reasons that this wouldn't be easy to do on his lathe setup. After running the first finishing op on the mill, he decided to do the rest the same way. While the mill was running, he was working on other tasks at the same time. So it worked out OK in the end.

[@jameskilpatrick7790]

@@MechanicalAdvantage Thanks for the insight. As I think about the ringing he was getting at full thickness, I can definitely see issues cropping up with the thinner tapered section. Adam's really starting to see the benefits of a mixed CNC/Manual shop, and as his skills improve on the CNC end, he's in a great position to maximize those advantages. Cheers!

[@MechanicalAdvantage]

@@jameskilpatrick7790 I agree with you. He is never going to stop using the manual equipment and knowing how to use the CNC equipment is never going to hurt him. He is just getting another set of tools at his disposal. Thanks for the conversation 👍

[@CatNolara]

@@MechanicalAdvantage these were my exact concerns as well, but if it works out well enough then all is okay.

[@rodrod383]

Plastic Coated Papers is still in business 😀 🤠 they have a website up

[@helgew9008]

Is it possible that the heat from the plasma cutting could affect the tempering of the aluminium?

[@georgebell7103]

Always enjoy your projects. If possible, please explain again why you can’t build this on the lathe? Seems like a natural for the lathe.

[@GAS1950]

Adam i like to see you running the Pacemaker because you use the chuck wrench that i made for you. Hope it is working ok. Keep doing more manual machining that is what made your channel. and i have learned a lot from you.

[@danmooney7192]

I've always heard the HHS cutters were best on aluminum.

[@johanneskienle362]

Maybe 20 years ago mate

[@v8packard]

I am curious, I know Monarch Lathe was building machines that could maintain a constant surface speed as diameter changed. Did American Tool Works do anything similar? I realize this Pacemaker doesn't have this ability. I think some Lodge and Shipley lathes might have, too.

[@tas32engineering]

Having a choice of processing is part of producing a component. Four Jaws have a level of changeability. Once judged in the process becomes cheaper.

[@elel928]

that part looks like the fairing for airport taxiway or runway lights

[@scose]

That would explain the sturdy build and accepting the high cost

[@royreynolds108]

I think you can fairly easily straighten out the oiler so it is not scrap.

[@emilgabor88]

Problem whit plasma on aluminum is that usually the plate is T6 heat treat, and you soften it , and will stick on tools .

[@GFSwinger1693]

You may be right. He did say at 22:05 that is pretty soft and gummy.

[@MegaBilly9000]

Was thinking that the bow in the plate may also be caused by the heating.

[@emilgabor88]

@@GFSwinger1693 I am right for sure. Because I have done this kind of jobs with plasma cut aluminum, for the same reason. Water jet was crazy expensive.

[@ellieprice363]

Correct but only softer in the plasma cut area.

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

@@MegaBilly9000 Look at the specs of plate 6061. It is 'nominal' sized, 'notionally' flatish and parallel. Across nearly 1/2 a sheet a few thou would be well within the spec.

[@FrancSchiphorst]

Did you consider cutting the discs in the flex?

[@anthonyrivers8395]

That damn pacemakers an ice machine.

[@anthonyrivers8395]

NICE❤😂

[@kindabluejazz]

@@anthonyrivers8395 You know you can edit posts, right? (You could add the apostrophe also).

[@maggs131]

Im wondering if a few patches of automotive sound deadening stuck to the backside of those would stop the resonance

[@legionofanon]

I was thinking the same, but also removal as the adhesive would gum up cutting it later. Those washable sticky dashboard pads might be the best middle ground. The one brand im thinking of is like gecko pad or something, saw it at the iowa 80 truck stop. There was a video display with it showing ot holding a 20oz pop bottle upright on the dash as a truck took a 40mph interchange curve

[@48wilber]

I turned 52 years old before I got through my Dad's supply of anti-seize,, that I remember from age 6 or so......

[@fichambawelby2632]

Maybe you can fix the oiler with compressed air in some way, Adam. It's the same method used to fix motorcycle fuel tanks.

[@paulvilleneuve9628]

Old General Electric machinist told me to use kerosene on aluminum. I’m just a novice that loves your videos!

[@gminker]

Hi Adam,, Use suction cups or tape on the face to kill the ringing

[@azenginerd9498]

Maybe a collaborative effort to resurrect your oiler? MyMechanics or similar? I understand the Pacemaker compound does not have power feed but does it have the travel to turn the taper if you choose that approach?

[@PorchPotatoMike]

Waterjet may have been more expensive,but it would have gotten a lot closer to start with.

[@Drottninggatan2017]

Would be interesting to know the actual price for waterjet cutting these plates. Maybe the setup takes time?

[@MechanicalAdvantage]

It wasn't even close. Water jetting these blanks was going to be substantially more expensive.

[@peto22]

I do electrical work for a local machine shop that mainly works on aluminum parts. They use some kind of alcohol as a coolant. Would it work for you?

[@MegaBilly9000]

With a water jet part the initial blank could be much closer to size. May have cut the lathe work time in half

[@MadmanJimbo]

You didn’t watch this one. He explained why they didn’t water jet. Cost was astronomical.

[@philbert006]

Water jet machines cost as much as all those CNC machines together, would take up that whole shop, and cost a fortune in water, filter media, and abrasive to use

[@BOBPortlandOr]

To fix oilier can you us air pressure to puff it out.

[@frankd3024]

Das dürfte nicht so einfach sein, möglicherweise entsteht dann eine Kugel. 🤔

[@machinists-shortcuts]

Pop it on a vacuum chuck and finish it off in one hit on the flex cnc. The back is already flat enough to sit on the ground. If the part has about 11mm on each of the edges why does it need the diameter turning? as long as it is within 10mm it will clean up.

[@dennissheridan1550]

Not being a metallurgist or a machinist I am surprised that aluminum rings like that so as how it's a soft metal. 4:18 pst Sat. You mentioned thunderstorms, well we just started getting them here in the Portland, OR area and they talking heavy rain, which we desperately need, it's been hot and drier than a popcorn fart here for months.

[@philbert006]

Thin material is always in danger of ringing, and as the surface area increases it will get exponentially worse

[@can5projects563]

Love your work Hello from Australia

[@josaonline09]

Fantastic job

[@rustyshackleford928]

Hey Adam, you could auction off that crushed oiler and buy another machine tool.

[@charles1990s]

I'm curious now i wonder what it cost to have them cut in the waterjet just ball park? Like a grand or 2?

[@Bill22252]

@41:15 He'll wind up making a form and try to force the dent out, just you watch

[@gregprevis34]

When I have a part that likes to ring like that I pack a rubber hose behind it to dampen the vibration!

[@scottsmall9898]

I've got a large thick rubberband that I put on the putter edge works great.

[@mannys9130]

When I machined brake disks and brake drums at the auto shop, we always had a leather belt with lead weights on it that we strapped onto the outer circumference to prevent ringing and the consequential poor surface finish that the oscillation would produce. Would that help in this scenario as well?

[@philbert006]

Cast iron ringing in that situation is kinda different than this aluminum. Iron has much more mass and is less likely to ring

[@garychaiken808]

Great job. Thank you 😊

[@jasonbabila6006]

I used to see an old timer tape small pieces of rag to what he was turning on the lathe to dampen or reduce the harmonic ringing at low speeds.

[@johnscott2849]

I will bet the water jet people wanted more money because it would take a long time to cut. Aluminum is soft. I believe it would take longer and use more abrasive. That’s my opinion. Those things look good.

[@mannys9130]

How would something soft take longer and use more abrasive to cut? 🤔 If you had a diamond saw would it take you longer to cut through a stick of butter, or a 1" square stock of stainless steel? 🤔

[@johnscott2849]

@@mannys9130 the heat build up makes it gummy making it take longer. It is soft it gets hot quick.

[@37yearsofanythingisenough39]

@@johnscott2849absolutely!

[@cyberhornthedragon]

adam those disks ring like a rotor in a brake lathe if you have to do more a large rubber bunji cord or band can silence a lot of the ringing

[@dzarren]

44:09 Can you explain this procedure? what exactly did you do there to change the feed rate on the fly?

[@fungas4804]

I was waiting for you to stuff bits of rubber hose, rags, cardboard (anything you can find nearby) behind that big plate to quell the resonance...

[@spoke4915]

Adam you have a huge CNC mill that can cut ll of those pieces out of plate? seems like a wast of time for you nd Joe. to plasma cut and turn. That would include mounting hole for a second OP?

[@philbert006]

That flex machine would easily hold all of them on the bed. Lathe turning would make a much better finish on the od and face, way the hell faster

[@magicman9486]

that is what vi was going to say. just cut and mill on the Flex. Cut the diameters (In and Out) then face. Flip and machine your shape.

[@spoke4915]

i realized it would be a dual op first holes then cutting the od and id but you will also need tabs. the ball carving adam mentioned will need to be a very fine stepover and will take some time. maybe the lath may be quicker if you rough out thr material on the cnc

[@MechanicalAdvantage]

@@philbert006 There are reasons it wasn't done that way. I think they will be covered in future videos. In the end, the mill could do its thing while he worked on other jobs.

[@firesurfer]

I think it's too much setup.

[@z31drifterlf]

24:10 spaghetti monster coming for ya.

[@aaronfritz7234]

I run straight WD40 in mist when doing alum. Keep your lungs lubricated too.

[@hendriktabak7036]

Nice!