So when does an aluminum rod become the right call for your build? Jay explains it all in this week's Jay's Tech Tip.
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@rayjay6769 Жыл бұрын
One of the most explanatory engine part videos I've ever seen! Thank you for taking the time to post this video.
@avro549B8 жыл бұрын
Solid data, delivered without any embellishment. Good stuff!
@Gentlemen_london_8 жыл бұрын
Really interesting! I never would have thought that aluminium rods could be on the cards but they clearly have some favorable benefits over steel. Thanks 👍
@frank09busa7 жыл бұрын
will consider this in my 2JZ single turbo Jeep build, and thank you for great info.
@jerrodjohn22744 жыл бұрын
Wow! I'm glad i watched your video; more involved than i previously thought
@EdwardAlcala8 жыл бұрын
Finally I've been waiting for another Jay video!
@DjRjSolarStar8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Never thought of aluminum rods as a vibration dampener before.
@JosephArata4 жыл бұрын
Yeah they shorten or bend easier with high cylinder pressure. Don't let these people fool you into buying aluminum rods for a racing application that doesn't warrant their use. If you are replacing all engine parts after 4-5 dragstrip runs, yeah these rods are fine. But you don't need them on most 6,500-8,000K RPM street/strip daily driven race engines.
@aumetalmental84032 жыл бұрын
Very useful indeed as I am considering aluminum rods in my next build, thnx.✌️😎
@alphafort7 жыл бұрын
a whole lotta info in a short vid. great stuff! Others have mentioned titanium (and the disadvantages) - but is there any super exotic alloy (forgetting cost) that all the good stuff?
@bobjoejoe2043 жыл бұрын
Man these videos are informative. Make more!
@santiagom75767 жыл бұрын
Wish Jay could build all my engines .. Tech savvy with the experience!
@groomlake516 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation !!! He is spot on
@MikeValencia8 жыл бұрын
You the man jay! I can't wait to go aluminum Rod!
@dielauwen6 жыл бұрын
They would be great in a sport bike like a r1 . Lawnmowers use them and I never snapped one. An advantage of lighter rods is it takes less power to spin them and make less friction.Take out the bearing shell also. Then when it is rebuild time chuck the rods and pistons in the scrap bin , machine the crank if needed and put in new rods and pistons. I heard 70k miles on a street racer is average life for the aluminum rod.
@darbymcbride41 Жыл бұрын
I found your video helpful. Thanks
@elesjuan8 жыл бұрын
Are aluminum rods a good streetable choice? Will they handle things like engine braking without fatigue?
@builtforspeed52744 жыл бұрын
I wish you guys would make series like this on a coyote motor so more people get informed since most of the guys who wanna do something on their engine is always on the internet and says I see this on this site on this forum but nothing that really works in their engine purpose
@nobody468204 жыл бұрын
Would you do before and after tests on an engine? HP, torque, noise, vibration, fuel efficiency, etc?
@lockedinstreetracing6005 Жыл бұрын
I usually run mgp rods but I had to get grp last time both are great rods no issues.
@santiagom75768 жыл бұрын
Wish I had the knowledge & know how that Jay has preferably on the 2j so I could build my own, the man is a genius concerning this engine and many others! Thanks or the Cams Jay!
@gsppuffer8 жыл бұрын
Trail and error gives you knowledge
@marcusssc84938 жыл бұрын
+gsppuffer trial
@GTRGTR328 жыл бұрын
Love the videos keep it up
@DoogieLabs8 жыл бұрын
Have you ever noticed any stretching of the wristpin hole? I've always wondered about this being an issue on a motor that sustains 10,000rpm with aluminum rods. Even an 8000RPM motor that's stroked a little more aggressively. EDIT: My follow up question would be have you ever noticed the wristpin hole stretch on a motor that has sustained significant detonation / pre ignition?
@joshuamcdougal82077 жыл бұрын
I have a small block 23 degree headed sbc about 13.1 what amount of cylinder pressure do you think in need with a 40 jet on my nitrous
@Davidlau63717 жыл бұрын
Is rifle drilled on Rod better ? If didn't have it anything will happen? If keep using old but no damage Rod bearing, it is fine ?
@cobrar51618 жыл бұрын
very informative but still I have a question exactly for how many miles aluminum rods are gonna last and like the guy said when they heat up their length is increased a little bit meaning contact with the head .isn't it risky for valves to get damage by the pistons so how to set the gap between them so when they heat up they don't make contact . please tell me that.thanks
@groomlake514 жыл бұрын
Turbo chargers help bearing wear by the drive pressure on the exhaust over lap💪🏼😎
@TomsChevelle8 жыл бұрын
Good explanation! Thanks.
@jessev96868 жыл бұрын
the 300hp/cyl isn't taking into account the per cylinder volume is it? what about smaller motors like honda's 4 cyl 1.5-6's? what's the 'off the cuff' power/cyl for one of them? personally, i have an l15 if that helps.
@Only1English Жыл бұрын
If I can ask you. I'm getting in the process of building a LS motor that I'm going to tell the charge for my vette. What is your suggestion on the aluminum rods do you actually think they'd be better than running steel? I was planning on going with the wiseco boostline rods. However if running a set of aluminum rods would be better than I would definitely go that route. I like the part where you said how they absorb a lot of the harmonic shocks and vibrations. I'm interested to know your professional opinion aluminum or a nice set of steel rods. Thank you
@djiimpact4288 жыл бұрын
lovin' the tips! 👍
@jlo138003 жыл бұрын
Dammit how much are those 7507 T5 cnc thingy split roller beasrings for my 8v92 detroit 2 stroke? My small block v8 2 stroke is got the steel ones.
@TracingLoL8 жыл бұрын
Good info for later, thankyou.
@jermdavillain47468 жыл бұрын
im wondering how much power that would make for a stock toyota starlet 4AGE 1800 turbo engine
@Montblanc19868 жыл бұрын
more tips from Jay please!
@ldnwholesale85528 жыл бұрын
Alloy rods are supercharged drag race components. you will never see an alloy rod in a oval track, road race as they have a very short life as you said. I have seen one break, it seemed to make more of a mess than what a steel rod will do with a broken piston. this on a 9000rpm n/a drag racing Chev. He saved one head! The bloody things are so big and bulky they scarcely fit
@kingclutchxyt2 жыл бұрын
Can I daily drive with aluminum rods? I keep hearing you cant. I found a ls vette ith r & r aluminum rods making 700whp. Don't know why they went with aluminum at that power level but I'm curious your thoughts
@jlozinsk3 жыл бұрын
At 75 HP per hole will an aluminum rod last long on a street car? V6 2GR-FE in MR2
@LucaCarMods8 жыл бұрын
Really interesting information 👌
@charliespann39678 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, Thanks
@ryanbarbolt36917 жыл бұрын
Doesn't a good steel rod have more strength potential at the higher end?
@mauricioalfredo837 жыл бұрын
Nice info to change then if you want high RPMs on your engine and keep engine parts wheight low
@cartermackenzie11353 жыл бұрын
very dumb question, but do you think an aluminum rod could be used in a street car in a low power application reliably?
@LAVAROCK1006 жыл бұрын
how much side clearance between each rod ??
@VynzBrah8 жыл бұрын
what are rods used for?
@andrewromero33058 жыл бұрын
Jays a genius
@LGS_Inc8 жыл бұрын
That's some food for thought, but I still only trust Manley rods on my EVO
@SavageBunny15 жыл бұрын
Titanium rods from Pauter are about 1k each rod, how much are Aluminum Rods?
@blown572hemi8 жыл бұрын
what about heat cycles in a street motor that doesn't see full power all the time? I'm not building a monster but because the aluminum is lighter it will accelerate faster in a n/a engine. I've heard that the aluminum will get brittle and break.
@timleonard86 Жыл бұрын
So would you be able to run them in a street rod show car?
@GRCHADSTI8 жыл бұрын
god i love these vids! thanks for the info!
@michaeljarvis63778 жыл бұрын
what is it lick in a everyday used engine
@PoorManMods8 жыл бұрын
great info, thanks
@EdwardAlcala8 жыл бұрын
Ayyyyyy lmao
@PoorManMods8 жыл бұрын
yoooo!
@PoorManMods8 жыл бұрын
+Zahier Mahoob Heyooo!
@Razor_400R8 жыл бұрын
got any tips for an rb26?
@GBodyJames8 жыл бұрын
love your videos man]
@silkysixx5 жыл бұрын
I remember the first time I edited a video. The second time, I watched it before rendering.
@GarageSupra8 жыл бұрын
also whats the song from 0:22 to 0:26?
@Razor_400R8 жыл бұрын
great info btw.
@Kirakat8 жыл бұрын
Gotta learn to edit the video better man, Your audio/video sync is way off.. It's just a "Slider" in the editing to fix that.
@LtdJorge8 жыл бұрын
It is synced for me lol
@LtdJorge8 жыл бұрын
+MCdevilkiller oh, I see. It is at half the video
@ThatRacingChannel8 жыл бұрын
Sorry about that, looks like a small portion of the video was corrupted during upload as our original is in sync. Thanks for the heads up. :-)
@_Bonez127 жыл бұрын
This guy... "Trust me, I know how to edit. I have 2 subscribers."
@Kirakat7 жыл бұрын
Well considering I have a 1080p 60hz laptop running at 1080p 60hz The problem is theirs, Just like everyone else said and just like you can Clearly see at about 3 minute mark, Don't quite remember, Haven't watched the video in a long time.
@shawnboyd968 жыл бұрын
How do you measure horsepower per cylinder? Is it like if I had a turbo b18 with 400hp is that 100hp per cylinder?
@LtdJorge8 жыл бұрын
Just power/cylinders, yep
@peterphilipse87928 жыл бұрын
what about titanium rods Jay?
@TopDonBarrow8 жыл бұрын
I'm a noob when it comes to this stuff. But just a question. If the Steel rod is strong and holds itself up to the power but more power results in accelerated bearing wear or spun bearings, why not make aluminum rod bearings that have the same characteristics of the aluminum rod in the vid? Just asking, correct any misinformation.
@snaaail8 жыл бұрын
Anyone know the name of the intro song? I'd love to know
@marcusssc84938 жыл бұрын
Same
@charliespann39678 жыл бұрын
What about TI rods?
@drivewaymarvels3118 жыл бұрын
thank you
@markgoulette5056 Жыл бұрын
I know for a fact they are running steel rods in engines up to and some over 3500 hp without any bearing or crank issues. Yes, there is maint involved, but it's more tune up related than rod material.....
@rotax636nut55 жыл бұрын
Wow, ally rods give you variable compression ratio!
@joeymilani44188 жыл бұрын
Nice so my stock civic needs these for sure then is what you're saying right? Then it'll be 1800hp?
@DJDiggityDubstep8 жыл бұрын
pretty much
@joeymilani44188 жыл бұрын
+Eternity thx, now could I hook up a blow off valve with these also, I wanna make cool sounds you know
@dyingangelo8 жыл бұрын
short throw dip stick
@SofaKingTouge8 жыл бұрын
just go for titanium valve cover bolts and you will get the same power.
@omaralghamdi90358 жыл бұрын
I only put 3 aluminum rods in my accord and got 450 hp more on the left rear tire
@johnfraser11156 жыл бұрын
Are aluminum rods generally lighter than steel rods? If yes, can adding aluminum rods help you increase rpms?
@IaintTrynaGoOutLikeBIGnPAC6 жыл бұрын
John Fraser Any thing that makes the rotating assembly lighter, yea you can increase rpm significantly.
@shanedrake27 жыл бұрын
What type of Aluminum Rods should I use in my Rotary?
@LAVAROCK1006 жыл бұрын
good one.... how big of a cam are you running in that Rotary ?? lol
@JohnDoe-rs5ro6 жыл бұрын
Shane Drake lmao
@MrBlindbird6 жыл бұрын
Just make sure those rods are made out of the same aluminium as the waterpump of a Original 60' VW beetle :-)
@alycestapleton6 жыл бұрын
Shane Drake your a fuckwit so stfu you muppet
@alycestapleton6 жыл бұрын
Peter Pan what does that have to do with anything another fuckwit
@GLMtr8 жыл бұрын
How about titanium rods?
@kidzero19438 жыл бұрын
do u only build 2JZs or do u work on other engines?
@kbdadriftking8 жыл бұрын
He originally started on mustangs I think
@the_visionvry62447 жыл бұрын
would this be an unnecessary upgrade for a daily driver?
@MirrorSlaps7 жыл бұрын
Alan Arroyo yes, completely unnecessary.
@ronroberts5854 жыл бұрын
BUT CAN I USE Aluminum ON STREET?
@403patriot38 жыл бұрын
so basically... reduce rotating mass/weight, reduce vibration. would that make you hit your redline faster as well?
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Pan tera shutup kid...
@403patriot37 жыл бұрын
'kid' funny guy. if this were in person you'd be a might bit quieter
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Pan tera bull shit bitch, I got my last split eyebrow last Saturday. Whats up kid? Do you know why I am labeling you as a child? because your main question here was if an engine with aluminum rods ''redlines'' faster... HOW FUCK-ING RELEVENT......
@403patriot37 жыл бұрын
Ted Dow oh i get it... you're a wee man trying to get noticed. and you are in fact a child, mentally at the very least. because in my mind, lower rotating mass would allow an engine to rev up faster and/or more freely because of the lighter weight gear attached for the crank, but of course you already knew that. but thank you for mentioning your split eyebrow, at least you're man enough to admit you got beat the fuck up- HOW FUCK-ING RELEVENT
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Pan tera Good thing I'm not though eh.. & god damnit, I'm trying to tell you that IN MY OPINION, rotating & reciprocating mass in differentiation of 8 or 900 extra grams amongst 8 rods in a 1,200 hp v8 really dosn't make a big difference. In fact, as long as everything is balanced, its F.U.C.K.I.N.G NEGLEGABLE.......
@TheCamaro58 жыл бұрын
what about titanium?I guess you can use that if you are willing to pay for it.
@jimmyiscool12395 жыл бұрын
i want to have a video about just that
@JosephArata4 жыл бұрын
Titanium doesn't make sense for a normal 10K RPM engine. Titanium is used in motorcycle engines and F1 engines that spin 20,000 RPM for race application.
@fixitup6864 жыл бұрын
Joseph Arata Honda nsx ?
@Drake51533 жыл бұрын
@@JosephArata c30a, c32b, lf4, ls7, ls9, the list goes on lol
@cptinsano438 жыл бұрын
Random question; What helmet was that at 2:15 ?
@Sebastian-yl7nq8 жыл бұрын
Darude Sandstorm
@kevink4008 жыл бұрын
Not sure of the exact model, but Simpson is the brand --> simpsonraceproducts.com/index.php?p=home
@jacktorrance78478 жыл бұрын
its a simspon bandit
@tannerbean38018 жыл бұрын
What about 6al4v rods.....
@lukemolina71908 жыл бұрын
can these aluminum rods be used in 4-5 gen 454s
@Realtime15017 жыл бұрын
yup the thing is with aluminium rods is that have to be custom ordered so you have to give the manufacturer the sizes and motor specs,now with that in mind it means that you can order an aluminium rod in any configuration and size.great manufacturers are Grp,Venolia and Bme all I have had experience with and currently using a set of venolia rods in a 1900hp BMW s38 engine
@jlo138003 жыл бұрын
I would do the 4340 h beam steel rods for your 454 2 stroke, but thats me. www.4btswaps.com/attachments/2cyclesbc-jpg.6839/
@mr.sennin79238 жыл бұрын
thank you for the video and would it be a waste of money to go with a aluminum rod in 700hp application
@lsx_moe8 жыл бұрын
yes
@IntegraDIY8 жыл бұрын
Like he mentioned in the video. It also all depends on what you are using the vehicle for.. Are you pounding on the rev limiter? Are you doing street pulls and that's it? Are you racing your car on a circuit for a while at a time? If you are just using it for a daily and doing highway pulls you do not need them. If you beat on the engine to beat your time than yes you will
@leanderelfrink108 жыл бұрын
depends what engine you have too, like he said in the video its all about output per cylinder and if youre going to beat the shit out of it or not. if you're running a 4 cylinder that gives you 175hp output per cylinder. you make the call
@mr.sennin79238 жыл бұрын
Yes I'll be beating the living crap out of the engine of the rev limiter and I was also thinking it would allow the engine to rev faster cuz less mass
@leanderelfrink108 жыл бұрын
+Mr. Sennin i don't think you'll notice it, i dont build engines so i can't tell you that haha. steel is more dense than aluminium though, hence why the rods are weaker. the alu rods are bulkier but steel is like 3 times more dense iirc. in theory it would rev faster? anyone who built engines that can confirm? jay? 😂
@strifefaction4 жыл бұрын
Bad for a road racing application?
@gmax8768 жыл бұрын
wow, sounds like a lot of work
@Luistorres-wm4kb8 жыл бұрын
awesome
@kchanguito8 жыл бұрын
Is this guy a car God with all this knowledge
@bentleyparish12264 жыл бұрын
Why did you not include titanium rods in your evaluation?
@jlo138003 жыл бұрын
Do the 7507 T6 rods come with 7507 T6 split aluminum needle roller bearings?
@Breazeh8 жыл бұрын
I have a question, why does only one 1000+ hp Camry exist?
@adriancortez20008 жыл бұрын
Probably not many people want a 1000hp Camry and most likely the engine block isn't strong enough to be reliable.
@bigblockrc8 жыл бұрын
Do titanium rods next please.
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Samuel Mason not at all. aluminum & titanium are very different metals.
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Samuel Mason i wasn't comparing titanium to steel was I?0
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Samuel Mason oh my god, chill the fuck out bro. aluminum & titanium are very similar in terms of their ability to work harden. I was just trying to be a troll. why? because who the fuck really needs titanium rods? are you making money hand over fist with your titanium rods? I dont win much of anything because I'm not a professional moto racer. & because of that fact, some Oliver billet steel rods rated at 1,400 hp will do me fine, you too more than likely..
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Samuel Mason those Oliver Max series rods along with some -8cc forged slugs from wiseco for roughly 2,500. I set out to build a ''budget'' ls 6.0(ly6), but the budget aspect has gone astray... what are you working on?
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Samuel Mason I just jotted down ''Bill Miller'' on my to do list. Thanks for the insight man.
@GarageSupra8 жыл бұрын
Need more workshops like Real St in Australia
@MafiaboysWorld8 жыл бұрын
So true dude. Compare Real St to what GAS Motorsports charge, it would be cheaper to ship your whole car to Florida and back and get a 1200hp build than it would be with the GAS crew.
@mochinsaniimamutomo61958 жыл бұрын
indonesia too ._.
@adriancortez20008 жыл бұрын
Pro Gtr Motorsport, CV Performance and Powertune I've heard are some of the best.
@jacktorrance78478 жыл бұрын
There are some very capable workshops in oz, but they are all members of the elusive secret squirrel racing club, theres no way they would ever share info like real st or these other workshops do... and the peformance scene in oz is absolutely worse off for it. Not to mention you would have no chance of getting them to build you an as capable motor as real for the price they charge. Workshops and the majority of car communities in australia need to move towards sharing more info, the more we share, the more we know, the more we know the faster we all go. Go look at yellow bullet forums, evolutionm, honda-tech, for example see how many workshops are actively involved in and supporting people who arent even customers, then compared that to ford forums, performance forums, or any other forum for that matter. One exception that comes to mind is skylines australia.
@GarageSupra8 жыл бұрын
Man ain't that the 100% truth.
@raceon3productions2788 жыл бұрын
good info. so basically u wanna move to an aluminium rod at around 1200+ whp.thats the point where the steel rod would cause too.much abuse on the bearings. i noticed u didnt cover revs. i would think how high ur reving would also be a major consideration.
@mrcompatable8 жыл бұрын
1:23 of the vid
@raceon3productions2788 жыл бұрын
+Michael Awesome gotcha didnt catch that. im reving my car a 2012 coyote to 7.5k-8k
@brutisking8 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@davidmcclelland80908 жыл бұрын
I'm one of those guys who's just happy with my steel rod.
@jlo138003 жыл бұрын
Me too in both my small block v8 2 stroke and detroit 8v92 silver 2 stroke. im using BRB XD-100 oil in both.
@screwloose4558 жыл бұрын
Can't tell if vodka or if voice isn't matching with mouth.
@santiagom75768 жыл бұрын
Oops for the Cams! lol
@mclarpet7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to run titanium alloy rods - lower elastic modulus and density than steel and stronger than aluminum.
@LAVAROCK1006 жыл бұрын
yeah but not cheap
@mclarpet6 жыл бұрын
To be sure, to be sure.
@boosted2v7498 жыл бұрын
simple answer whenever youre running high amounts of boost/high CR
@slapster22758 жыл бұрын
high output/cylinder smartass
@boosted2v7498 жыл бұрын
Amer Muratovic which usually comes from running high boost/ high CR
@jickdawmonelason72397 жыл бұрын
Fire Squad I'll keep my billet steel Oliver ls max series rods......
@nikolaishriver79226 жыл бұрын
So if aluminum rods are better for longevity on big number engines, shouldn't they technically be better for longevity for the everyday man? Are they more expensive? From what you just told me it seems ideal that ANYbody who is going to go through the trouble of opening up their engine and dropping parts in, would want aluminum rods. I am considering trying to source/make some aluminum rods for my TL1000 (vtwin) and trying to machine the crank to accept Buell roller bearings on the crank. Thrashed TL's have a pretty short life for the crankshaft bearings in general, and once you start using big bore kits or spraying or using forced induction, and get past 160-200hp(its an old bike and a twin, don't hate the small numbers) they become ticking time bombs. I had never considered an aluminum rod as an option before.
@themiddlechild19886 жыл бұрын
Nikolai Shriver they have to be replaced where steel rods have a very long life. if your beating on the car every month than like every 10k miles you have to change rods
@jlo138003 жыл бұрын
Can we get billet 7507 aluminum roller bearings?
@tannerbean38018 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know where the idea came from, that aluminum acts as a dampener. If the rods are not significantly heating up at high load, they they are not dampening. My bet is that their weight results in less wear... Unless someone has some proof or knows of studies done, which drew this conclusion... I don't think dampening makes as much sense as lighter weight resulting in less 'sloshing' back and forth.
@Ndog8888 жыл бұрын
Rod innuendos inbound!!!
@cptinsano438 жыл бұрын
My rod grows quite a bit once it's warmed up
@ryanbarbolt36917 жыл бұрын
everything you are saying is essentially correct, HOWEVER, you can make 2k hp with steel rods.
@JayDee-bz2ge7 жыл бұрын
Aluminum rods are a (shock / load absorber). Nitro MUST use aluminum rods to save the other parts, Replace rods, make the crank live....
@Azalen248 жыл бұрын
aluminium
@builtforspeed52744 жыл бұрын
And also so we dont pay 25k30k for a freaking long block at that point it's just about the name that we're buying but most of the people dont want that we want our own experience and pride that we built it ourselves and most is the knowledge so we know what could be wrong what part could we put in danger on doing this and that
@bowsertownes4 жыл бұрын
Alum rod also should never be pulled on. Example no engine braking or you will tear a rod apart