Am I going to upset the JBL enthusists now? Looking at the classic 4311B!

[@Joshualbm]

This may be already posted, but those were set up in most studios horizontally, It makes better sense with the driver locations. The drivers were mirrored so one could flip them to get the tweeter up or down, depending on preferences. Plus they were used primarily as near-field, so the axis was pretty much from a central location in the studio.

[@marshall2.015]

Danny talking like a doctor giving you bad news about the operation on your loved one.

[@DethFromAbove1985]

One other thing I would say is what Danny's upgrades are bolt on and bolt off. It is not going to diminish the value of the speaker. So I think if I'm not mistaken some of these JBLs are going for 3 or 4 grand on Ebay. So just keep the old crossover if you sell them to someone that wants them put back to stock OR sell them both the factory crossover plus Danny's. Its like an engine swap in an old muscle car.

[@thunderpeteii]

Sell them and buy a more expensive speaker and upgrade it and you'll be ahead like 2k

[@glenncurry3041]

So interesting to have my biases confirmed 50 years later.

[@hugogaldames4156]

Vintage speakers is like having a Vintage car,it may not be up to modern standards but it has something special about it.

[@AllboroLCD]

Now.... Say im in the small club of owners who bought these NIB, enjoying 40+ years of dedicated service from them. That upgrade cost seems like a drop in the bucket given whats been gotten thus far and a damn no-brainer in the sense of properly servicing them for ANOTHER 40+ years of pure enjoyment. I cant wait for the day someone sends Danny an 80's Sansui speaker. That ones gonna be quite the treat for me, lol

[@BullWinkle-x5y]

Yeah I wanna see some Sansuis as well. Perhaps the Sp 2000. I have yet to hear any other line of speakers that perform as well in the amplitude domain. Put 'em in a medium to large room & crank 'em over a hundred watts & strap in. I've felt the impact of a snare drum on the front of my face like I was sitting at a drum kit but the speakers were 15 feet in front of me & 10 feet apart.

[@megamond]

Owning Eon10 & 15 G1s and G2s, JBL's crossover mods on the G2s made them more lively than the G1s and are likely similar to Danny's mods, IIRC the Eon10 G2s are a bit of an industry reference standard to this day.

[@megamond]

@@BullWinkle-x5y Still got my Sansui AU-417 amp hooked up to some Tannoy Saturn S6s, but also enjoy my JBL Eon15 G2s for stupendous SPLs!

[@robtremble2277]

we should send him some Bose lol

[@scottmackey4182]

Always appreciate your honesty and straightforward response to select speaker upgrade requests. If it ain’t worth it, then don’t bother.

[@mrboat580]

No. JBL owners won't care. Most of them also have modern designs as well. I installed carpet in a home of a then retired country music star/studio engineer. I asked him what was the best way to hear what he intended to be heard on his records. He said to get JBL studio monitors, lay them on their sides with tweeters at ear level, toed-in at the listening position as close as you could comfortably get without disrupting the center image. They still work pleasingly well on the music of their era, especially if the studio was using them as well. Today's neutral speakers tend to expose the music (especially classic pop/rock/country) as being mixed and proven mostly by ear, and not very pleasingly at all. Fixing these speakers is missing their point. JBL has updated version of one of their classics that performs audibly and measurably well. It's not as if they can't do that, especially using all proprietary drivers. There are already too many "fixed" speakers in the world. Meanwhile, people are chasing acoustic gremlins around their rooms, and looking to find that "warmth" via tube gear and other quirky distortion adding methods, just about everywhere you look.

[@stevenjackson8226]

Today is the platinum age of audio. I have not just the memories of a lot of gear I've auditioned and owned, but quite a few pieces have hung around with me for a long time, and I've often listened to various pieces of gear that're decades old. Plenty exposure to a range of "vintage". The access, form factor, features, performance, value of today's gear is spoiling. And especially so with loudspeakers (despite still many not-so-well-designed examples). Danny's wrap up to this video nails it.

[@viktorcieslar9776]

Moc mě potěšilo s jakým respektem si k tomu přistupoval a přesto si zůstal kritický a profesionální. ❤️👌🙏

[@FOH3663]

Oriented on its side was oftentimes how this platform was set up. It would've been interesting to examine it's measured performance laying on it's long side, meter bridge style, whereby the mid and high are aligned vertically. Of course it's still saddled with all kinds of compromise, however I suppose it's worth noting.

[@gijoemolinaro]

Great vid as usual i absolutely love them God bless always keepnem coming ❤👏👏👏👏👏😇

[@socksumi]

I'm 67 and remember well the 4311/L100. Frankly I didn't care for them. Even back then they sounded coloured, unrefined and even harsh. "West Coast Sound" was the name given to this kind of speaker. I much preferred the "New England Sound" like AR, Alison and KLH. And I really liked British speakers especially the BBC derived designs... Spendor, Rogers, Radford, KEF, Chartwell. They sounded much more refined and lifelike to my ears than JBLs. Their only compromise was playback levels didn't approach the JBLs. I did however love the larger floor standing JBLs like the L300. They were a very different animal than the 4311/L100.

[@SrdjanBasaric-w2s]

To kill the reflections of the front panel, liquid rubber in two layers is excellent. I also use it for the inside of the box, I mix the second layer with the remains of wood sanding.

[@ansigsig7199]

Is it not a sticky thing? How long does it take to dry?

[@SrdjanBasaric-w2s]

@@ansigsig7199 No, it's not sticky, let's just say it ends up looking like a graphite pencil eraser gum. It dries in, say, an hour, depending on the outside temperature.

[@ansigsig7199]

@@SrdjanBasaric-w2s Ok. Thanks!

[@mcgjohn22]

nice video. I had a pair of these back in the day. They were a lot of fun. The newer speakers though are so much better. They may not have the tons of nostalgia the JBLS offer but newer speakers usually offer much better sound.

[@Velocus-p3z]

I do wish he'd upgrade a pair for us though. Just so we can see what he can do with them. These speakers have huge nostalgic value for many.

[@byronfranek2706]

I had the 4311 in my bedroom in high school, but they looked slightly different than these. The midrange driver frame was brushed aluminum, and the dustcap was inverted. My taste evolved to more refined speaker designs, but honestly, I wish I had kept these speakers.

[@howardmendenhall6966]

4311 used ALNICO magnets... (Like yours did) as that type had inverted mids.

[@robertgreene2684]

Well it depends on the vintage speaker! A well preserved Spendor BC1 will have measurements that are comparable to practically anything you can buy today. And the sound is super.

[@robertgreene2684]

@@chrislesnar I suppose it depends on whether one listens to music where exact timbre is important or music that just needs to be loud.

[@Old_Sailor85]

Us old bastards that want these can't hear above 12kHz anyhow.

[@DethFromAbove1985]

I think Danny's favorite more common vintage speakers would be ARs for flat response and Theils because they have that cool facia design that has to be good for minimizing diffraction.

[@robtremble2277]

I still love those 4311s. I had a pair when I was young and getting into audio, I have a pair of 4333a now I haven't done anything with for the past five years I see value in upgrading vintage JBLs cause you can rebuild the speaker itself to infinity id really like to own a pair 4312a walnuts version for my computer set up

[@chuckmaddison2924]

Like vintage radio and the question of sound. It's what the general public wanted at the time. Which is not necessarily the ideal. I've always been a fan of the Electro Voice 1B Eliminator. It's great for sending people deaf at the club.

[@kevinyoungM14EBR]

I picked up a pair of these from the original owner, they were my first vintage speaker purchase. They look great and sound fine, but I quickly discovered that my room is not ideally suited to ported speakers. I replaced them with a set of ADS bookshelf speakers, and set the 4311Bs aside. Since ported speakers don't work for me and my room upgrading these is not a good idea for me, but your upgrade kit/service may be something the new owner would be interested in.

[@bobbyohanesian4228]

Great videos, thanks!!!

[@vainwretch]

I love JBL pro gear and many other manufacturers.

[@CashGravel]

Darn it, Danny you let me down. I wanted to see the before and after but for what it’s worth that upgrade kit for my LRS plus speakers is off the charts. If anybody out there doubts what your upgrades do … All I can say is hearing is believing. I chuckled to myself thinking how little I have into those speakers and how good they sound.

[@DethFromAbove1985]

Vintage speakers are worth it their thrifty and you can sell them for what you paid for them. You can get your foot in the door for cheap. If you like the vintage vibes you can get the aesthetics the way you want change the veneer etc. With the sound whatever the issues are I am sure Danny can fix it. Get your foot in the door cheap and then chip away, chip away, chip away. Thats vintage in a nutshell.

[@germancarluv]

About 20 years ago I put some radio shack generic soft dome tweeters in some L100’s. Was a big upgrade.

[@richardward4754]

Was that because they were blown?... as several pairs did in my L 26's when I owned a pair 40 years ago?😮

[@germancarluv]

@@richardward4754 Yeah they were blown. They lost that old time paper cone sound and got more modern sounding…. But would say for the better. 20 years later is see what new pair sells for and I question giving them away.

[@davidhester9897]

From a sound standpoint slap some felt on that front baffle to kill those surface reflections, it would probably sound way more pleasing but it would hurt the visual aspect of it.

[@IndySnowman]

I upgraded my JBL 4311s for Shahinian Obelisks many decades ago and the difference was night and day. Although there still was a nostalgia for those speakers that provided sound for some legendary parties. Recently I got my hands on some 4313s and replaced all the caps with poly caps, refoamed the woofers and replaced the binding posts and they’re a lot of fun. The 4313s image way better tan the 4311 (as far as I remember) with tighter bass.

[@Staybrown11]

Big JBL community out there. Kendrick sound in Japan does upgrades and folks love their work. I’m guessing this is a budget friendly way to get into the upgrade jbl look. You should take a look at their work on KZbin. You might be able to compete on this side of the market.

[@socksumi]

Kenrick re-manufactures them from scratch as he owns JBL's original tooling and he makes the drivers. With modern technology and materials Kenrick's versions of the drivers and crossovers are much superior the originals. He also hires a company to custom design the drop dead gorgeous cabinets. This is why he demos seemingly endless numbers of huge and rare JBL classics... numbers that never existed in the past and only exist today because he's making them. Of course you will pay 50 to 100 grand a pair but that is the price of admission for this kind of sound.

[@marcopoulos3493]

I do not like the 4311 that much but absolutely love working with the 4412.

[@jeremybirdwell2623]

I have a pair of the much more recent JbL 4309 on a Marantz model 40 and they are stellar. With the look of the old studio monitors.

[@stevekean8254]

I have these 4311B's, unrestored, and they sound just like those response charts look. HA! I don't listen to them hardly ever because of this, but don't want to let them go because they look so darn cool in my music room. Ornaments!

[@markmorrow3250]

I was never a fan of the JBL sound. I had some friends though who just loved them. I hope that you get to go through the Snell speakers. They had several models that I liked. And at least when I was around them in the 90’s, they had made efforts to deal with defraction. But I remember many of their designs played with rear firing drivers with varying degrees of success.

[@justgotohm4775]

I restore a fair amount of vintage JBL’s, the caps are almost always wayyyyyyy out!! And don’t get me started on wax seals, it does indicate the diaphragms are oem, it also indicates the foam inside the compression driver is dust, the terminal ends inside are oxidized. The first thing I do is pop those seals, remove and replace the foam, clean up all terminal ends, and physically check the original drivers for hairline cracks.

[@anthonyjackson7097]

Can't dispute the logic given here regarding vintage speakers. What is amazing is the amount of money these diffraction,distortion machines command on the open market. Especially with Asian audiophiles.

[@rd1992-l3j]

I believe that a pair of 46 year old Infinity Quantum 4 loudspeakers would make a fascinating upgrade project. These speakers were serious contenders back in the day but were a very tough load for the driving amplifier. I'm not sure about upgrading these gems, knowing that the cost will be substantial. We'll see!

[@toby9999]

My friend had Kappa 9's. They sounded incredible, but I've heard they had lot's of problems, like overloading amps.

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

@@toby9999… They don’t call them “amp killers” for nothing!!😂 Those babies go down to like 1 ohm… maybe even a little less?! There are only TWO amps that can really handle them, Krell and an Eagle (Not sure of the name of the company, but you can touch both wires together and dead short it with nothing frying in the amp!).

[@harryburnett7086]

Mount them horizontal like alot used to , yes of course they are not up to standards , I love your videos , I want you to do Lascalas my sweet favorites , that need help

[@JR-ho5qm]

Great video! Looking forward to the big CerwinVega! Video. Hopefully you can make something work for that one!

[@dannyrichie9743]

I do.

[@garrardzero1]

Be a little happier. You improve everything, that must make you smile😅😊.

[@toasty_coils]

Most JBL wired speakers are mid but the portable ones are fun and really fun too abuse because they are so durable

[@jeremybirdwell2623]

Literal studio monitors. They were made to be sideways above the console in a fairly near field configuration.

[@JRadian]

I'm waiting for that vintage Altec video..

[@vxss346]

Well said. Nailed it.

[@Batman-n1q1v]

Been having similar conversations about getting an old car ffor track day racing

[@markbroadheaf1593]

On the other side of the pond but I’m sure there are many who would like to see what you make of some big vintage Tannoys.

[@markbroadheaf1593]

@ Tannoy’s of that vintage were not ‘ voiced ‘ they were engineered to be flat. One area Danny misses out on is distortion figures, though very few do this now. Of course like the better JBL’s they were used a lot in Studio applications in the UK. We had several pairs in Basing St Studio in London.

[@jameskorthals4224]

What if you put them horizontal with the tweeter and mid to the inside?

[@createachanneltopost]

Left us hanging without the upgrade in this video :(

[@dannyrichie9743]

The customer choose not to have is upgrade them.

[@howmit6361]

Why not rotate the speakers 90 degrees with the mid and tweeter vertically inline? Granted that orientation takes up more real estate, but wouldn't that improve imaging and sound stage?

[@johnevans9751]

Tearing down the idols of vintage speakers. Keep up the good work.

[@BruceCross]

I love it, too. We all want to look at our favorites (whether they're new or vintage) through rose-colored glasses, but we're better off if we don't.

[@TacoXXL23]

I don't like those older JBL speakers the sound is a bit to harsh in my opinion. I prefer the sound of the old German speakers they sound warmer and are often built better.

[@salvatoreoddo-x9t]

I own a pair of Canton karat 300s. Hope someday Danny will do an upgrade video for them.I also used to own JBL century L-100s.Cantons sound better.

[@TacoXXL23]

@@salvatoreoddo-x9t I own a pair of magnat transpuls mp-X-088 with the plasma tweeter they are better in every way possible and man those are tanks I'm 1,80 meters tall and they reach my upper chest.

[@bikdav]

That speaker got be hooked - as is - on hifi. I didn’t know about diffraction, spectral delay, etc.

[@andysummersthxcinemaandmyc7748]

JBL 4311b barely dynamic Danny : gentlemen, we can rebuild it. we have the technology. we have the capability to make the world's first bionic 4311b. 4311b will be that speaker. better than it was before. better... stronger dynamics... faster bass response.

[@dannyrichie9743]

Only someone my age or older would get that reference. It was a good one though.

[@andysummersthxcinemaandmyc7748]

@@dannyrichie9743 oh yeah only few would know the reference i have thou hardly use them JBL 4312 its just not upside down

[@tigerstripeeyes9871]

“The Six Million Dollar Man”!!! 😎👍

[@ThresholdZhor]

These JBL monitors have their public because they see them iconic, so they should do the upgrade to put them to sing better than in 70's, their latest model L-112 had better response than that one

[@tallpaull9367]

any GR-Research Black Friday sale soon?

[@tallpaull9367]

If Trump puts a 25% Tariff on Canada, Canadians will boycott American businesses and Made in America products. Or it will be a big turn-off at the very least.

[@stevieg2755]

I'd like to send a PSB Gold I,they have some good ones to work with,Frederick revamped the crossover but still lytics The aluminum dome tweeters had to go even after new ferrofluid

[@Leemccuaig]

Before I even watch this review, Classic JBL = Hornloaded Speaker with a 14" driver, that's the sound JBL is famous for. They made their name with PA systems for movie theatres and live music and continue to uphold their reputation in those areas today. It makes sense people would use them as studio mains to get a reference for a large venues on their mixes, logically JBL started making products for this market as well and the home audio trend started by using studio monitors at home. Given JBL has always had a pretty distinguishable "Brand sound" across their lineup it makes sense that these are designed to replicate the sound of their theatre line speaker in a more compact/affordable format. The way you'd design a speaker to throw sound out in an untreated auditorium (ever been to an old movie theatre or concert hall?) is not going to be the same as trying to get flat results in an anechoic chamber and it makes no sense to critique them based on those measurements.The quality of their drivers given their price point is another factor. As with many speaker manufacturers from that that era things like electronics and cabinet construction were often not prioritized by the designers, as speakers have evolved these have become more integral to the design process. I feel the need to say all this because with all due respect to your engineering prowess and knowledge of speakers I feel like you're selling GT Race cars by comparing them to old muscles cars on the Nurburgring. Just my perspective.

[@dannyrichie9743]

Your comparison of us selling GT race cars and the vintage speakers are like an old muscle car is a good one. The disparity might even be worse than that. Mixing music on a speaker that they will then by played on is a valid though. However playing them on higher quality speakers of the day (the Duntech come to mind) could really reveal a lot.

[@Leemccuaig]

@@dannyrichie9743 Agreed!

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@chrislesnar That 4311 model was being built up until 1979 (I think). I met John and spent the day with him at his Dunlavy facility. He was indeed one of a kind.

[@jeanphilippeclain]

Ce type d’enceinte , faut refaire le crossover dans son intégralité ensuite ça devient des merveilles.

[@dubajakustyka9938]

There are vintage speakers witch are great in build quality. Those are Kenwood ls 990, known in Japan as Trio ls 505. They have lots of bracings inside boxes. Nice crossovers. I'm really wondering how will they look after mesuremeant. Kenwood ls 990 looks allmost like jbl l100/4311 or Pioneer HPM 100

[@ernunnos]

You're a philosopher.

[@tmdillon1969]

I have a pair of the L100s that I rebuilt after getting them cheap because of their condition. Took me 2 months and I replaced the caps and tweeters. They're....ok. Not much more. They sound better when you play them above a level you can easily talk in the room. Maybe I should get the kit for the 4311 model as they're identical other than driver layout. Or maybe I'll just sell them. I will say in the main JBL Facebook group they are not super popular. There's a guy with 20 pairs of JBLs going back to the 60s models and he laughs when people praise them.

[@GreenpointRemembers]

They remind me of the 70s

[@mikeschlup5279]

I would be interested in any upgrades you could do...I have a set of 4410's...decent sound

[@DethFromAbove1985]

I think JBL at that time was kind of like Cerwin Vega before Cerwin Vega. Just loud and would take a beating from a powerful amp! But then again studios used them. Frank Zapppa told his followers to listen to his records on these.

[@rb89509]

I can almost still smell the weed emanating from that bass port.

[@gotchagoing4905]

Opps...

[@stevejenkins-rq3fq]

Ah ! Is that where I left it .....

[@johnsmith1474]

Could you please consider upsetting Crites for Klipsch upgrades enthusiasts? Thanks!

[@ebaysnipa]

can you please do a Tekton design speaker, preferably the double impact?

[@dannyrichie9743]

We have already helped a customer with one of those and we designed upgrades for two different Lore models. The Double Impact got some tweaks. They got new Sonicaps for the tweeter circuit (center tweeter). The ports for the mids got plugged. They were making noise. They got tube connectors, new wiring, and a lot of No Rez. The No Rez made a dramatic improvement in the bas response.

[@fonkenful]

@@dannyrichie9743I’m surprised you didn’t get threatening letters or emails from Eric or his solicitors.

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@fonkenful I actually shared the results with Eric. I don't think he really cared as long as I didn't post the results.

[@RUGBYmusic]

Do you offer crossover upgrade kits for the JBL L-96?

[@patrickhurm4216]

What happens when you measure at ear level beside your seated position?

[@travisbishop7212]

Does it matter theyre garbage 🗑️

[@milanulrich]

I was thinking about my KEF R3 crossover upgrade. Any chance you have some or plan to make those? I'm from Czech Republic, so there is no chance to send my speakers to you😒

[@dannyrichie9743]

I never plan to upgrade anything. I just work on whatever customers send in.

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

Another video so soon, Daniel? Keep them coming!

[@pauldavies6037]

I am from the UK and everytime we used to go to our Hi fi shows you could always tell the USA speakers in those days loud coloured and horrid frequency response the Japanese same but not as bad.Turn that thing upside down will improve things for a start

[@terryilett9437]

what UK speakers from the mid 70s would Danny have no need to upgrade due to flat frequency response ( uncoloured) cheers

[@johndost3087]

Why not flip it upside down for better response?

[@dannyrichie9743]

We measured them up, down, left, and right. They had comb filtering issues in every direction.

[@allanjoles3432]

If you think these are harsh try some Yamaha NS10 'x. Now those are unlistenable.

[@FOH3663]

... hence the tissue covering the tweeter

[@dannyrichie9743]

I've designed and upgrade for those too.

[@jeremybirdwell2623]

Toilet paper over the tweeter was common to tone down the NS-10.

[@TomsLife-t2d]

My JBL 96’s will put those JBL 4311’s to shame.

[@jessicaembers924]

It looks like it's upside down?

[@RRRRRRandy]

A friend of mine eons ago had a 70's era JBL 12" 2 way (L88?) ported design that was quite popular. It was efficient, played loud, had no midrange and pronounced bass and treble. Initially impressive, but became quickly tiring. My RS Optimus 5 were easier to listen to.

[@LessTalkMoreDelicious]

Seems like a Klipsch, lol. I wonder if the newer, modern 4312G and L100 Classic are just as bad. Prolly not as bad as Klipsch; since at least modern JBL uses bracing, insulation, better crossover components and beefy cast woofer frames. I’ll stick w/ studio-monitors… since that segment companies need to be more honest, cuz they well know that customer-base it is very common to use measurement mics to chase accurate-translation, use numerous acoustic panels, etc. (unlike hi-fi or movie theatre audio… where they just stick $xx,xxx setups in empty rooms and don’t care about taking measurements).

[@mddawson1]

Would those JBLs sound better if you inverted them and have the tweeters at the top?

[@FOH3663]

Layed on their side, w/mid and tweet aligned vertically.

[@jebrehbaker8613]

How are you supposed to use these in a home setup? They won't even work flipped upside down

[@TalkinAboutTheDude]

Have you looked at early Advent speakers?

[@dannyrichie9743]

I have not had anyone send them in.

[@TalkinAboutTheDude]

@@dannyrichie9743 I'd send you mine, but I've already removed the passive crossovers and wired them for bi-amping.

[@dannyrichie9743]

@@TalkinAboutTheDude That makes them easy to work on.

[@TalkinAboutTheDude]

@@dannyrichie9743 Would you be interested in modding this pair? Bi-amping comes with it's own problems, so maybe one of your passive crossovers would be the best all-around solution. I'll send them to you if you think that would make good content.

[@manitoublack]

Can't polish every turd. Would have liked to see the individual driver responses.

[@wishbone20t]

I've had many sets, they bring good money so I let them go.

[@Rowuk2024]

JBL had supposedly legendary driver quality. Exemplary for the time was the cast frames, damped woofers (Aquaplas). Unfortunately, there seems to be no engineering involved.

[@dabbidaa1547]

Yeah ok, just one of the oldest and most reputable companies that has published tons of engineering and research papers on driver and speaker design. Sure, they know nothing. But hey! Get this kit for only X bucks from some bloke on the internet to fix everything! People are just so gullible... Do some actual reading for a change, then come back and comment.

[@Rowuk2024]

@@dabbidaa1547 JBLs reputation was built on the real studio monitors and PA. The consumer line of products simply do not meet that standard (with only a couple of vintage exceptions like the L110/L212). If you actually read the tech papers, you will see that things like the L100/4311 have nothing to do with that research. As far as you telling me how to qualify myself to comment to your standards, forget it. I am here because I appreciate Dannys approach, documentation and ultimately results. Your opinion is yours but why are you here if you place no value on this “guy from the internet”? There are certainly other places where your opinion would not be a waste of time.

[@dabbidaa1547]

@@Rowuk2024 Quantifying some parameters of a speaker and making design changes, yet ignoring others at least as important if not more important, and claiming to have made an improvement is at least a pretty bold claim, if not worse.. At the very least you would need to consult the designer about what they were going for before just throwing it all out. The cheerleading crowd here can't find it least bit suspicious that apparently reputable companies, who have been in the business for decades and have produced much of the research in the field, are unable to produce a decent speaker. But of course there is a simple fix offered, for a fee naturally. You are free to rave about the magnificent results all you want but be ready to get criticised for it by others with healthy scepticism.

[@edgewound]

The misunderstanding of the history and use of this iconic speaker is embarrassing. Ignorance is bliss.

[@dannyrichie9743]

The actual embarrassment is that these were ever used at all. They were really bad.

[@edgewound]

@dannyrichie9743 they were extremely successful in recording studios to displace the large footprint of the Altec 604...while replicating the sonic signature in a much smaller package. Bart Locanthi was the chief engineer. Have some respect for those that came before you...or you wouldn't be doing this.

[@intothevoid9831]

@@edgewound They sounded like garbage even then.

[@edgewound]

@@intothevoid9831 garbage in...garbage out. Period.

[@intothevoid9831]

@@edgewound You can feed them the best chain on earth, they will still sound like trash.

[@candyrecordsofficial3375]

JBL= Just Big&Loud

[@fonkenful]

Juke Box Loudspeaker

[@bikdav]

That’s one of the things that got me hooked.

[@_My.Name.Is.What_]

Good one 👏

[@Weirdbloke1]

We used to say Junk But Loud.

[@supergwizzo]

They will not measure like when new crossover be shot out on those ! They are they cheap ones 😮😅😊

[@G_handle]

Ouch!

[@rmzidann]

Wow, the front baffle looks like a mess. “Let’s just throw these drivers wherever we can find room on the baffle “.. 😂😂

[@dannyrichie9743]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@FOH3663]

Often used as a mid-field, near-field monitor, the elements are as close together as possible for drive unit to unit integration. Also, can't speak foe everyone however we used these horizontally oriented, for better mid/high coverage laterally.

[@scrappy7571]

I guess there's no fixin that one ...

[@mrb.5610]

Anyone state side got a pair of Quad ESL-57s they can lend out ? !

[@tothemax324]

That era was erased with Manson

[@davecarr5892]

Marilyn?

[@tothemax324]

@@davecarr5892 The other Manson

[@davebowling2262]

Do you ever say anything good about any speakers? $300-500 to make $1000 speakers better! If every speaker was made to the highest spec, most people couldn't afford them. Not sure if it's just arrogance or snobbery.

[@dannyrichie9743]

Watch my videos on some of the Polk, Monolith, Golden Ear, Mofi, ATC, and even a Emotiva and you'll hear me praise them for being well designed. I am not arrogant or a snob, just honest.

[@toddd7444]

"The truth shall set you free" John 8:32 wheelchair larry

[@supergwizzo]

Junk But Load 😮😅😊

[@artyfhartie2269]

Instead of screwing around with other companies products, which involved hard work, costs of r And d, advertisements, labor costs etc, why don't you build your own if you think you are so much better? I would not like it one bit if someone piss fart around with my stuff. It will be a call from the lawyers.

[@rikardekvall3433]

Well, are you dumb? First time watching Danny upgrade videos? Danny runs a company that sells DIY speakers. Also finished speakers. Visit his homepage before making a dumb comment.

[@Rowuk2024]

He does build his own. As far as what Danny does to other speakers, it is at the request of his customers. As a viewer, I come here to enjoy his process, documentation and results, not random “hate” posts by viewers that simply document that they are in the wrong forum.

[@artyfhartie2269]

@Rowuk2024 You are either missing the point or an idiot. This bloke insinuates by screwing around with others hard work that their products are not that well made and that is why he is fixing them. End of story

[@rikardekvall3433]

@@artyfhartie2269 Either are you having a bad day or are you just dumb? No end here, on your arrogant answer. This “bloke” would run circles around any engineer that designed the speakers that the marketing apartments will put in a “price point “ status, that they fool you, to buy with nice price and heavy marketing. Fail speakers ain’t pure hard work. It’s incompetence. Why don’t you complain to those that bought these failed speakers and did send them to Danny. Ooh yea, you can’t find them so you complain at the messenger? There are other forums out there that is nourishing on Danny and his doings and sales, why don’t you go to them?

[@rikardekvall3433]

@@Rowuk2024 her her 👍

[@mycomm-t9j]

An old audio magazine reviewer once said that it was never a matter of design talent but rather taste with the vintage JBL systems. They themselves knew they weren't designing the most neutral or accurate speakers, just like the people that seek them out today know. I think they prided themselves in building very efficient and dynamic transducers and then used relatively simple crossovers that voiced the speakers to be forward and lively, not neutral. Making them neutral and transparent might actually degrade their appeal to many people. If you look at the current prices of many audiophile type speakers that were way more theoretically correct designs from the 70',80's and 90's you'll find that the classic JBL models from the 60's and 70's usually sell for way more money. Appreciate them for what they are just like people did when they were new.

[@mondoenterprises6710]

Thank God I still have my ADS l620s with the metal grills in mint condish for the win. They still sound great and were designed by a rocket scientist.

[@philippusviridi6527]

Those tweeters are low level flat out garbage. I heard these speakers in the eighties and did not like them. Danny also did a video on the pioneer HPM 100s most people dont know but those speakers were designed for pioneer by JBL and sound horrible.

[@dannyrichie9743]

That's true. I ma those Pioneers really sing though.