"Am I Racist?”: Matt Walsh On The Weaponization Of Race In America

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Join Jillian and Matt Walsh as they dive into thought-provoking discussions about his latest project, the eye-opening film, "Am I Racist?” Matt, a renowned political commentator, author, filmmaker, and host of "The Matt Walsh Show" podcast, tackles the complex issues of white shame and white guilt in America. They explore his encounter with White Fragility author Robin DiAngelo, dissect the inner workings of DEI, and much more. Plus, don't miss the fiery debate between Jillian and Matt on Gay Marriage in America-this is a conversation you can’t afford to miss!
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[@jbllora]

Wow. Two adults having meaningful conversation on several topics, potentially contentious, and agree on some and disagree on others. Great job. This is the way.

[@sarahporter9979]

We used to have this until quite recently. I'm a Conservative and all of my friends irl are more left-leaning. But our friendships mean more than our political views, so are able to remain friends. We're middle-aged and it's probably more common amongst GenXers to have differing opinions but still respect each other enough to accept one another as we are. Afterall, we grew up in the political incorrectness, crude humour, insulting each other but still maintaining friends era.

[@neusprach]

This is how normal and sensible people do things. :) It's truly disgusting how accepted and normalized the woke proto-fascists methods of constantly trying to shame, censor, ban everything and everyone that challenges their deranged ideology. It's not a coincidence they hate free speech.

[@Leannatlantis]

@@jbllora Refreshing, isn’t it?

[@brookiegremlin6660]

they have common ground: they both think Cali has jumped the shark.

[@TheWildeguy]

I gained so much respect for Jillian not only for having Matt on but having an honest and thoughtful conversation with him. Not fishing for soundbites or gotcha clips but truly trying to understand his perspective. It's unbelievably refreshing and exactly what our country needs. Thank you!

[@akirahojo2]

“If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.” - Maslow. Racists, race grifters and people who do genuinely suffer from racism tend to see problems as race based, even when they are not.

[@fudemocrats]

That's why he made the movie.

[@ChickVicious237]

@@fudemocrats that's not Maslow, that's Matt Walsh :)

[@Cardinal_claw]

​@@ChickVicious237 And the quote is from Maslow, not Matt Walsh :)

[@gametime2473]

I really don't think the motivation of these people is an innocent one. They are creating a problem on purpose and selling the solution to the problem they created. This is by design.

[@lroc6272]

I think that quote is from Bob. Bob the Builder.

[@YourDadsYoutube]

Two media personalities with opposing thoughts having a meaningful and respectful discussion. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it. Well done.

[@melissa-wz6uj]

This was great conversation. I’m a conservative Christian that lives for Jesus. Matt and Jillian were both so honest, respectful and calm through conversation. So refreshing 😊 you can still be friendly, kind and still disagree!

[@jessicalottjesussaves]

@@melissa-wz6uj Amen! Hi sister in Christ!

[@amazingjason455]

@@melissa-wz6uj Matt made a great point about a husband who has desire for another woman and wants to have an affair. Not all desires should be viewed as created by God and not all desires should be pursued.

[@bevanhartley4090]

@amazingjason455 how is that a good point? A husband who has desires for other women/affairs can still have sex with and be married to his wife. Refrain from cheating for a heterosexual person just means "don't have relations with someone else, but you still have your wife" But according to Matt's faith, a gay person has to refrain from sex and marriage altogether I.e. no lover/partner for the gay people because scripture says it's an abomination. It's not a fair point to make at all.

[@jacobgingerhoffman7816]

@bevanhartley4090 why isn't it fair? That is what Christians have historically believed for 2000 years. You don't have to agree but if you what to be a Christian we agree that the Bible is the final word on faith and behavior. Look at it in reverse if I say it is unfair that you believe what you do. Is that allowed for you but me?

[@Muhammadsliter]

god doesn’t exist, keep your fairytale to yourself

[@miketheneanderthal9490]

what I liked most about this interview or conversation is that when each of you were talking and trying to articulate a perspective, the other person was quiet and listened. It was refreshing, and 👍 to both of you for that. I watched the whole thing and I seldom get through 1.5 hour KZbins.

[@jamesg3808]

"I would rather be villainized than be infantilized and told I'm a victim." Amen to that! Being seen as the villain can encourage one to become strong, sexy, and confident whereas being seen as the victim encourages one to become a little bitch.

[@mamabear558]

@@jamesg3808 wow, so true. Nothing is worse than a victimhood "poor me" mentality. When people take that mentality on, they don't realize that they are keeping themselves enslaved in their own minds.

[@blacksteve22]

Ain’t the whole am I racist premise is playing victim 😂

[@midmomom2490]

So true!!

[@sophiafaith]

@@blacksteve22guilty of racism, not object OF it

[@warnerchandler9826]

@@blacksteve22 Nope. Nice try.

[@Craftistemv]

These two people, on opposite ends of how they view life, are so courteous and respectful towards one another it's mindblowing to watch (seeing as what I am used to). Many people, including myself, could learn a lot from how to engage in conversation and debate difficult subjects.

[@jonipilaske9841]

@@Craftistemv they’re not on opposite ends on this issue. That’s why

[@Craftistemv]

@@jonipilaske9841 No, in a few subjects they were not but on some they were. Yet they showed respect towards the other, a thing people could do if they wanted peace.

[@shameiti]

I have a simple test: if you ever wondered if you are racist, you are not racist. A racist would never wonder about that.

[@SliderFury1]

​@@shameiti yup. Actual racists just think they're objectively correct.

[@echo-trip-1]

@@shameiti Not so sure i agree with you on that. I’ve seen some pretty racist people who claim not to be racist. White people who say they only want to be around other white people. Why would you feel that way unless you thought there was something wrong with people of other races? Something inferior about them.

[@racealexander1660]

@shameiti same thing wondering if you're gay? Lol

[@betsybabf748]

That's not a true statement at all. Many racists proudly admit it, and welcome that as part of their identity. Many join racist groups or gangs, naming their group after their proud racist beliefs.

[@MartinSparkes-BadDragon]

@@betsybabf748 You just proved that - The comment was people thinking am I being racist as a point of concern and self checking - the diehard racists dont ever feel concerned by thier actions.

[@ToddCarter]

I am happily surprised to see how open Jillian Michaels is to this conversation. Good for her! Matt raises a lot of good points in his two documentaries and I’m glad to hear him talk about it outside his normal conservative media circles.

[@tammimesce]

In reference to the people who think minorities cannot figure out how to get an ID or get access to the internet, Rush Limbaugh brilliantly called it "The soft bigotry of low expectations." Perfectly describes what they are doing.

[@midmomom2490]

Yes…Rush was on point!!

[@elizabethporter6398]

@@tammimesce it's like they're calling them jungle bunnies, demonstrating the same exact sentiment that gave rise to that type of term in the first place. They're just as racist cloaked in their sweet concern.

[@Minnie8992]

@@elizabethporter6398 Agreed.

[@SliderFury1]

​@@elizabethporter6398that clip Jillian showed of the young white people (mostly girls) being interviewed showcased some of the most racist crap I've ever heard in my life.

[@OriMoscovitz]

@@tammimesce same like how people treat the arab Palestinians..

[@brettbrashers8423]

Thank you, Jillian, for being willing to have tough, personal conversations without getting offended and pissed. People with differing opinions can't productively discourse if hate/anger is always the outcome. This was so respectful, great job.

[@dawnsamantha6728]

I cant believe I dismissed Jillian Michaels. Shame on me. THANK YOU for having Matt Walsh on!

[@ewrock7635]

Jillian is a member of the LGBTQIA+ community, and she's platforming someone who literally wants her dead. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome!

[@djsoto5334]

Jillian has so much potential but she needs to listen more than she speaks. Matt’s body language is screaming at her but she’s so unaware or it’s intentional.

[@UpriseMusic]

I’m dismissing her BECAUSE she had Matt Walsh on! 😂

[@dawnsamantha6728]

@@djsoto5334 In the grand scheme of things, this was a great conversation. I think it’s cool for people to connect and demonstrate that.

[@djsoto5334]

@@dawnsamantha6728 completely agree, I respect how both made their points with attacking each other personally and kept it respectful. They both demonstrated what all debates/conversations should look like.

[@hunterpinnell6254]

I do appreciate the two of these very different people sitting down and having this conversation, but it is not hard to tell that Matt is being extremely gentle so as to not hurt Jillian's feelings. I can appreciate that.

[@GlennWD]

I’m a gay man and I appreciate MATT AND JILLIAN. Peace to you both!!! 🙏🏻💙🙏🏻💙🙏🏻💙🙏🏻

[@joekristamullins1]

Why even mention that you're gay? :) Doesn't seem to have any bearing on the conversation at hand with all due respect.

[@quitepossiblylucky]

@@joekristamullins1 Because people are under the impression that all gays hate Matt Walsh. Which is not true

[@joekristamullins1]

@@quitepossiblylucky Strange. Why would people be under the impression that Matt hates gays? Any honest person who does honest research knows.

[@trinode8646]

@@GlennWD The one thing I wish would be explored on the marriage issue is, what if all the civil protections and responsibilities associated with marriage were passed on to all similarly committed couples, but use a different name for the union, would everyone be happy. IDK i just think it's something to be explored, that unfortunately there wasn't enough time to cover.

[@Drewkhat]

I dont care about your sexual preference in fact I find it strange to wear it on your shoulder… no one cares and it’s weird to share with people all the time

[@michaelpyburn6239]

Absolute master class on how people with opposing views can sit down and have a respectful discussion with each other. This was a breath of fresh air as I myself a center right leaning individual. Jillian, you have a new subscriber.

[@its_me-nikki]

I was an out lesbian from age 17-34. The argument for me against gay marriage is the simple fact that it has directly led to the gender crisis we see affecting kids today. That slippery slope that everyone, including myself at the time, claimed didn’t exist came down like an avalanche the minute gay marriage was legalized. The left NEEDS something to push against for “progress” sake, and they came for the kids like they swore they wouldn’t do.

[@Lewis_1-r4t]

@@its_me-nikki are you still a lesbian? Not that it matters but curious why you listed the range :) thank you for your comment!

[@its_me-nikki]

@@Lewis_1-r4t at 34 I found myself in the middle of a messy divorce with my wife of only 6 months. That’s when I met the man who is now my husband. Now, at 40 years old, I don’t really have any attraction towards women with rare exception.

[@racealexander1660]

​@@its_me-nikkisuper interesting. Thanks for sharing

[@alexlindstrom555]

I’m a gay dude, and I have perspectives that hold up traditional marriage just cause I think it’s how God organized things (ideally) for the purposes of growing and replenishing the earth. Of course there are exceptions and situations where is not ideal. We could have a “good, better, best” discussion on that. I just know that whatever I have with a man…I don’t see it as “the same as” a marriage.

[@coxrocks25]

It's the logical conclusion of feminism generally. Feminism took the simple truth that men and women have equal value and twisted it to say man=woman. That leads to gay marriage, transgenderism, and all the rest of them

[@JenDez-2017]

That's right Matt - there were people who came onto the scene in the late 90's/ early 2000's to introduce a mix up of racism. I was in public high school in 1999, and we were all integrated. I'm a white girl, I had a Hispanic boyfriend, and all of my friends were my fellow cheerleaders, who were all different races. These were my FRIENDS. But one day we had an assembly about race, and afterwards, everyone was scared of everyone else. Riots broke out, and I experienced my 1st school lockdown. Days following, we all just walked through the halls with our heads down, alienated from our friends, unsure of who we were allowed to talk to (or not). It was like someone came in and shook us all up and made us believe that we were each other's enemies. Really, the one who shook us up was the enemy.

[@d0r1an06]

Man. Matt Walsh's film promotion tour is literally bringing him to every podcast. It's hilarious seeing the random people interviewing him.

[@rusty_shackleford2226]

@@d0r1an06 not gonna lie. Some of the shows he going on is surprising lol. Like this one

[@UpriseMusic]

The Daily Wire runs conservative media. Every “interviewer” gets to be in their good graces.

[@Kiabeth711]

@@d0r1an06 exactly my thoughts, it seems like he's taking them just to be funny but also promote, he's awesome

[@colinbaer1022]

​​@@Kiabeth711no it's cause rational ppl cam and should have discussions especially when opinions differ. Liberals for the most part are not a fan of dialogue

[@ryanorlando1122]

@@colinbaer1022 Liberals partake in discussion. as long there are no conflicting opinions.

[@HilltopZombieShop]

Trust me, being poor and white will get you the same treatment. I've been sat in the back of a nice restaurant next to the bathroom. I've had door men at nice hotels look at me skeptically when I come to the entrance. I've had store security follow me in stores. Class discrimination is very prevalent in the U.S.

[@kenyafromcali]

Of course. We all assess people every day. 🫶🏾

[@jasonjenkins6373]

Profiling. I've clocked and proved it , abroad and back home. Hint: everyone at tables around me was given an auto tab and when I got my first beer they ran over with the machine to pay by credit card 😂

[@kh9242]

Ever had your assigned office be an unventilated window less janitors closet while everyone else got assigned actual office space? Was it racism? Or just my @$$hole boss. Many people mistake asshole behavior for racism

[@laveraparato258]

I was followed around in department stores when I was younger--white child of the working poor

[@eggbass]

Having conversations with people who have differing views is so healthy. We need more of this.

[@t.o.o.smooth5870]

This is how things were before. But now it's discouraged because the goal is to keep us divided.

[@roholahsajadi1388]

Pay attention Guys, you won't see anything like this ever again. Her level of openness is something to be studied. If you're reading this Jillian, keep this good work going and you run circles around Rogan in no time.

[@kaylar1981]

I never expected Jillian to pop back up on my radar for discussions like this. I'm very glad this was a respectful discussion. Thank you Jillian for setting a great example for how to have a discussion with someone who you don't see eye-to-eye!

[@alanlee67]

@@kaylar1981 yea. It's easy to do when you don't have insecurities or are not a raging narcissist. Knowing that your views and opinions are just that

[@globalimpact6057]

Matt deserves all the admiration.

[@MrSyphon28]

I am a white heterosexual male. The white part is the least important part of my identity. I am a human male, an individual. This is truly a battle between collective identity and individualism. The founding goal of the USA was to allow individual freedom.

[@midmomom2490]

Well said!!

[@SkiesKurosawa]

@@MrSyphon28 BS we should be united around our founding principles and way of life or we will fall completely

[@jxxxhy]

Goofy

[@rbarnes4076]

​@@SkiesKurosawa There will always be dissent on any issue. We had people in the 1930s in the USA who declared as Nazis in support of Hitler. The best action is to expose their ideas as snake oil and embarrass them. Humanity just isn't monolithic. What is missing right now is that education has given up on transmitting the ideals you mention, so very few are landing there on their own. The more we teach liberty principals in school, the better things go. That said, you'll have to argue with the department of education on that.. I most certainly have no say there :(

[@SkiesKurosawa]

@@rbarnes4076 you’re part of the problem

[@moosestache1769]

"Some dads are bad so gay parenting is fine" is an invalid argument. The rates of domestic violence in lesbian relationships, for instance, are vastly higher than straight relationships.

[@CREATED4HISGLORY]

Jillian, I am a conservatist and I love your show because you do allow for this kind of discourse! Not many people have the guts to invite people they don't agree with without insulting them.

[@chamboyette853]

Correction, not many leftists do this. You see right winged people doing this all the time. And this is coming from a far leftist.

[@jaycarver4886]

​@@chamboyette853If you see that right leaning people are open to have civil discourse with those of opposing views then may I ask why you are so far left? In my experience it's the left who go all in on stoking division. The right seem much more interested in unity which is why former Democrats like Tulsi and RFK jr. have joined with the Trump team. Never saw that coming!!

[@chamboyette853]

@@jaycarver4886 Just becasue they left has a bunch of assholes doesn't mean that their ideas at the base are bad. Sure, the DEI and race baiting horrible. So is the border. But I am very much for strict laws regarding the environment because if we don't things will be much worse in the future.

[@AnnSmajstrla]

@@jaycarver4886 I appreciate that some conservatives are willing to have discussions with those who have differing views - like what Matt just did with Jillian. However, many conservatives are still in favor of gay people being denied rights - among a myriad of other policy decisions I disagree with.

[@SliderFury1]

​@@AnnSmajstrlawhich conservatives and which rights?

[@damegto]

A child is not a right. But a child DOES have a right to a MOTHER and a FATHER

[@betsybabf748]

Life doesn't even give that right. My husband dropped dead when I was only 41. Our children no longer have a father. That wonderful hard-working man now lives in the cemetery. Many children lose a mother or a father. It would be an inane and illogical argument for one to claim it was ok if a child doesn't have a mother or a father if they were the right gender but are dead, but it is an atrocity if they have two loving parents if one is not the gender a stranger prefers. That would cross the line of silly.

[@Muhammadsliter]

No

[@emily43210]

@@betsybabf748 But it is considered tragic if a child loses a father or mother. I'm sure your children feel that loss or absence of a father in their lives. Children should not be raised by design, by 2 women or 2 men because no matter how feminine a man is or how masculine a woman is, they can not replace a mother or a father. We long for that by nature, not just the masculine role but the Father who is a man. And same for the mother. I think the original comment means we do not have the right to deny a child a mother and father for the sake of people who want kids. We have a duty to give kids what is good for them first. Even with the death of a father, the kids can ask their mom about the dad, and the mom speaks about the dad that she loved, and you get the feeling your mom and dad loved each other/there is a connection even though they're gone. But with a father who runs out on the family, the kids know they weren't wanted by the dad and that the dad didn't have that committed love for their mother and they have to realize that the tradgedy was a betrayal. And with 2 moms or 2 dads who adopt a kid or use surrogacy, it is just treated as a non necessity. The kids have 2 parents so they don't need the mom and dad bond. Kids should have both a mom and dad. The father/son bond is different from mother/son. Same for father/daughter and mother/daughter. It just is different.

[@lilblackfish2009]

life is a right not a mother or a father

[@rmd8427]

I am in agreement with Matt in virtually all these points. That said, I admire Jillian and her willingness to have the discussions with those she has philosophical differences with. I appreciate the respectful manner in which she interacts with the guests. One of my favorite KZbin subscriptions.

[@jimmorrison4163]

Racism isn’t nearly as bad as centuries old family banking cartels being allowed to exist.

[@JackMSheridan]

Frankly, she was closed minded in this conversation and used bad faith canned talking points.

[@rmd8427]

@@JackMSheridan OK - But how does your opinion of her side of the debate dispute my point of her "her willingness to have the discussions" in a "respectful manner"? She has her beliefs (some of which I disagree with) but she's not a George Stephanopoulos or Sean Hannity who talk over their "opponents"

[@lauraoldaker3937]

Excellent conversation! I appreciate your vulnerability Jillian, finding the common ground as humans. I can tell the discomfort on both sides, yet the willingness to discuss and agree to disagree is so admirable! Love it!!!

[@cocoruse]

We need to be clear that most of these critical race theories are not being pushed by people of color, but rather by white liberals. Specifically, white liberal women.

[@josephlesanche1784]

Thank you, Jillian. This was amazing. I'm a conservative and love that you had Matt Walsh on your show. We must have a dialogue between liberals and conservatives and find common solutions that only open and mature dialogue can foster. If we could teach the same to our leaders and the mainstream media, we might be on to something big.

[@Relizabeth1]

Thanks for having open dialogue with people you disagree with. We used to do this all the time. And now people run from conversations out of either hate or lack of original thought/ good arguments themselves. This was great.

[@ewrock7635]

She literally just platformed someone who wants her dead. Make homophobes afraid again!

[@l.w.paradis2108]

The problem is, they just had a friendly gabfest. No one laid out solid arguments or critiqued them. I guess just talking has become fraught? I agree that's not good. MSM choses who to promote like that, and never invites anyone who disagrees. It misleads people into believing the country is different from what it is.

[@waitingforthemothership]

One of the reasons this is a great POD. Also one of the reasons I like Bill Maher. I disagree with 90% of his views but the fact that he's able to have open conversations with people he disagrees with in a very respectable way is admirable and makes it worth listening to.

[@darkreverie7027]

Thanks for having Matt on.

[@user-qp2qe5gf9b]

I disagree with Jillian about “one black family on tv.” Almost every show I watched as a kid in the late 80’s through mid 90’s were comprised of mainly black casts. I can think of at least 15 off the top of my head. The Cosby’s weren’t even the first, just maybe the first middle/upper class black family on tv. Also, I’m a 40 year old white woman and I’ve been dismissed by doctors since I was an infant. It took 32 years to be diagnosed with celiac disease, which is a very basic test. I delivered 2 babies with no doctors present, because they didn’t believe I was in active labor. I had to beg for an endoscopy for 10 years because I was choking on everything I ate. They told me I was lying and I eventually was diagnosed with an esophageal disease. My son was laughed at by the ER doctor for saying he thinks he has T1D and was literally dying in DKA. He was sent home weighing 67lbs at 12 yrs old, puking his guts out, looking like a literal skeleton. We don’t have a racist healthcare system, we simply just don’t have a healthcare system.

[@litoreggie]

Totally agree.

[@jxxxhy]

Our healthcare system is trash and blacks are way over represented on tv

[@wam3863]

I listed several in my comment. It wasn’t a big deal back then. They acted like Black Panther was the first black superhero.

[@danjohnson8556]

"What you talking about Willis?"

[@wam3863]

@@danjohnson8556 another good one

[@aaronquadd3019]

The other day I was walking down the street. I saw a homeless man practicing karate on his invisible opponent. I subtly crossed the street in hopes that the man would not think that I'm the person he's fighting in his mind. This was a white man. I'm 26 in great shape, I think if I fought the homeless man I would have won or got away with little to no damage but I simply wanted to avoid a confrontation. If I were a woman walking I may have been scared. Sometimes race plays a factor but most of the time people are shuffling through all of the options. Sometimes the options are worse with black people, some they are worse with white people. It doesn't make you racist because you want to stay safe. By the way, I'm black.

[@JimmyDozer]

The power of a present father is SO underestimated in society. You want to see a big man cry? Ask him about his relationship with his Dad.

[@christopherdale1745]

I have long admired Walsh's ability to discuss matters dispassionately with people he disagrees with. I also like that, though his beliefs are informed by his faith, he is able to make his case apart from faith to those who might not share his faith.

[@justin1497231]

MUCH respect, Jillian! Massive props for having Matt on!

[@mickbethful]

I really respect how each person truly LISTENED to the other, without being anxious to interrupt and make their own point. Excellent dialogue!

[@lindavolk9958]

I watched this movie on the weekend and it was hilarious while simultaneously destroying the DEI narrative. One of the few movies out there appealing to both the left and the right. I think it illustrates the truth that there is, largely, no racism except that pushed by the media. I'd go so far as to say there is no race, other than the human race!

[@davyanonymous9674]

@@lindavolk9958 Beautifully said. And perfectly true. 🙏🏻 🤲

[@Republitarian-g4h]

Nah. . race is real. There are many different races and ethnicity's and they differ both on the outside and inside. It's foolish to think all humans are the same. Birds of a feather flock together. This "diversity" experiment has set us on a course of disaster. The more diverse we become the more divided we become.

[@melissa-wz6uj]

I saw it as well! It was awesome!

[@lindavolk9958]

@@Republitarian-g4h exactly! It's manufactured, though, to keep us fighting each other. There is no real difference between humans under the skin, imo.

[@MonicaD444]

Me too!! My boyfriend and I loved it.

[@salamandercind2729]

I love that when Matt and Jillian are disagreeing, you can see that as he presents his side of the argument she is actually listening and thinking about what he’s saying and gives some thoughtful and honest feedback. And same for Matt, he thoughtfully listens to Jillian. This is what discourse should be like. This was great, thank you both!

[@mighty_afrodyt]

Excellent channel. Jillian isn’t afraid to have guests she may not agree so that we can learn about all perspectives of an argument

[@janannekeating8236]

Yes!!! So freshing!!! Thank you Jillian!!

[@constvoidptr]

It's incredibly refreshing to see two people who have fundamentally different views on a controversial topic have a productive, level-headed and respectful discussion and be able to agree to disagree without forcing one's opinion onto the other. It's so unfortunate that this has become such a rare occurrence in this toxic wasteland of a society. I really hope to see more of this sort of discourse in the future.

[@eeayquetting5963]

Wow, Jillian really got vulnerable and I appreciated hearing her struggles with this issue

[@janeannzarczynski1700]

I'm white and my experience with healthcare is that some practitioners have a tendency to make assumptions as well as disregard what their patients are telling them.

[@Ol5tb]

What an absolute class act from Jillian. These are the types of conversations that will bring the country together.

[@midmomom2490]

Matt and Jillian are both class acts

[@SoCalG310]

Yesss! This is my first time watching Jillian's podcast. I used to see Jillian at a popular eatery in Los Angeles; she's the real deal, good vibes. This conversation is so refreshing. I went to a watch party of the Harris/Trump debate near UCLA with a room full of Democrats cheering for Kamala. There were only three of us there who were conservatives. One guy tried to talk with a Democrat about the border. She YELLED at him for clapping when Trump said that open borders a problem. I tried to express my respect for RFKJ to another Democrat in the audience... and she became EN RAG ED. "Get away from me if you support Kennedy. He endorsed TR U MP! TR U MP! TR U MP!" She SHUT DOWN the conversation. We NEED conversations like these between Jillian and Matt. Jillian sets a good example for Democrats -- who have gotten in the habit of defensive hostility toward anyone who disagrees with them.

[@Ol5tb]

@@midmomom2490 absolutely, he's a regular. I just really appreciate discovering good spirited rational voices from the old.

[@Ol5tb]

@@SoCalG310 The tolerance just isn't there anymore. It's dangerous to hate someone and also shut down communication. The parties are going through a transformation.

[@SoCalG310]

@Ol5tb Definitely. I think most of us are seeking the same basic tenets of a FREE and civil society -- not only in the US, but in the West, in general. The People came out in full force in Argentina to support Milei. I speak with Argentinians in Los Angeles who vote Democrat who support Milei, a Trump fan who has even used Trump's line to "Make Argentina Gr e at Again."

[@NayaRVT2011]

This was such a fantastic conversation! I cannot believe how vastly I've underrated Jillian! I had no idea she was such a great host and had these ideas! One of the best interviews I've seen with Matt in a while! I've been a loyal follower of his for years and greatly enjoyed this conversation!

[@pensive8552]

'I would rather be villainized than infantilized' The problem with being villainized is that violence is next once the tipping point of belief happens - the point when everyone agrees and decides to "do something about it" (because what do you do to the villain?)

[@n.d.m.515]

That is what the 2nd Amendment is for. You think the villains aren't friends with other villians that can protect themselves? If there is one thing villains are that victims aren't; actually empowered and brave.

[@AthenaMetzger]

Jillian, I really appreciate how willing and respectful you are to have this conversation, despite the fact that my beliefs align with Matt’s.

[@CatyogaLuv]

We need more conversations like this where you may not agree on certain things, but still keep it civil and respectful. 😊

[@megofiachra3247]

I adjust my purse when ANYONE, regardless of race or gender, walks near me in the store. So if someone thinks im racist when i do it when they walk by, that’s unfortunate, but …they’re wrong, not me.

[@jennifermusser3964]

This was SUCH a good conversation. I love it when reasonable people get together and can discuss differences with canceling, screaming, shutting each other down but with respect. I am a straight white married woman with 4 kids but I really enjoy listening to both Matt and Jillian. Thank you again for this Jillian!!

[@alee5106]

I knew I would enjoy it knowing that it’s Matt Walsh. I enjoyed it even more with Jillian politely ‘challenging’ Matt on various points.

[@MrBryan325]

Jillian, thank you for having a platform that focusses on having conversations with those you disagree with and a focus to find the common ground. FAR too often it seems to be a challenge to have a one on one discussion with those you agree with. Such as Charlie Kirks latest video where he's in a group of 25 college students debating all forms of topics. A one on one such as you had with Matt is EXACTLY what the country needs.

[@DisappearingBoy2010]

Here's how to frame up the alley conversation. If a black man appeared in an alley wearing a suit and carrying a brief case would get a different reaction than a white man in a hoodie with a bunch of tattoos. We aren't talking about stereotypes or profiling. This is about frame of reference. Same scenario, older black man vs. young white man...probably more fearful of the white man. This is not racist. This is about processing data based on your own frame of reference and experiences.

[@ashleywhitlock1751]

I really enjoyed that interview! I watch Matt’s podcast every day, and loved seeing him have a discussion with someone he doesn’t fully agree with. I thought they were both very respectful while not backing down from their beliefs. Really great watch, thank you both!

[@CloudySunflowerfield]

Same for me ☺️

[@FluffyPantsStudio]

People keep comparing Matt to Borat, but this comparison is inaccurate. Borat asked normal people absurd questions to put them in uncomfortable situations. In contrast, Matt asks absurd people perfectly normal questions.

[@emmi7883]

If someone told me I’d get a bigger check by depriving my kids of a dad in the home, I WOULD PASS ON THAT.

[@midmomom2490]

Amen!!!

[@Tweadon]

Great job Jillian, your ability to gently challenge and seek truth without being triggered or having an agenda was a breath of fresh air.

[@Zactivist]

We may differ on opinions, but I admire you greatly for having an honest, open-minded discussion with Matt. This was truly entertaining and thought-provoking.

[@charisrussel5896]

Thank you Jillian for this conversation. It gives me hope seeing two people disagree but able to have an honest, friendly discussion. No yelling or taking over each other. Thank you again!

[@grackers7921]

The "marriage" issue is about equivalence. Matt is correct in that there is only one type of two-person human relationship that can procreate naturally: man and woman. It is worth sanctifying because it is the fundamental cornerstone of civilization itself. Jillian is right that other relationships exist outside that optimal pairing and are deserving of legal protection. The answer is simple: civil unions. Some European countries have figured that out.

[@belgianbikeability7295]

Most European countries have gay marriage. So swollow it. Its called level plaining. Nothing wrong about that. Sorry but it is dicriminoitory because you will not get the same legal benifits.

[@betsybabf748]

Most European countries have gay marriage, not civil unions, because they have figured it out. Just like the act of annulment has two meanings, one in religion and one of a legal sense, so does marriage. A marriage can be recognized in a church but it is also a non-religious legal contract. As a Christian, but also an as attorney, I understand that Christians who want the term marriage to only be their religious use, for all legal purposes, are incorrect. It is one word, no one owns, with is uses in two systems, just like annulment has always been, without issue.

[@grackers7921]

@@belgianbikeability7295 That's simply false. Only 21 out of 44 European Countries recognize "gay marriage". To be clear, no government should be recognizing any marriage. they should simply recognize civil unions. That would be a level playing field. Marriage is a religious or tribal ceremony and should remain as such.

[@grackers7921]

@@betsybabf748 As I wrote above, that's simply false. Only 21 European Countries recognize "gay marriage".

[@markwilkie7633]

I agree!!!

[@KarenMinor-m4v]

I’ve been a big fan of Jillian for years. Nutritionally, exercise and body building. It was years before I even knew she was a lesbian. I like that she does not glorify her lifestyle or push it on others. She’s so likable and so good at what she does, she must be a phenomenal mother as well. This probably isn’t coming out right because I’m not good at expressing myself. I am a committed Christian and I’ve been a Matt Walsh fan for years as well… I really enjoyed this show. Thank you! There was no competing for the listener. My heart goes out to Jillian as she is trying so hard to come to terms with what is right. I will be praying for her and her beautiful family.♥️

[@HonorsChemistryI]

Jill. Thank you. You are the first left leaning person I've seen on KZbin who dares to have an open conversation with someone who doesn't necessarily agree with you. Bravo! There's hope for our country.

[@SoCalG310]

Hear, hear! Jillian is a class act.

[@DN-nm4rl]

I don't think she is left leaning. I think she is right leaning.

[@Unknown.servant]

​@DN-nm4rl maybe the current dynamics shift going on right now, but historical speaking she is definitely left of center

[@mariemacisaac7529]

I am white but when I go to the Emergency room I am asked to give a piss sample. My Address shows that I do not live in a house. I live in an apartment. Automatic bias. I rented a room in a house. This created the false impression that I owned a house. It was easy to get a job. The only time in my life when it was easy to get a job. Address RACISM is REAL. Expecially in Canada.

[@ChaserBD04]

Jillian, always loved you the most on Biggest Loser. This is the perfect example of how most of us are not "far right" or "far left." We're all just trying to get along. I definitely dont agree with Matt on everything, but I didn't leave the left. The left, left me. Thanks for having him on.

[@gametime2473]

"Growing up, you think 'we have the Cosby Show' then you realize that it is the only one (black TV show)". The Jeffersons, Different Strokes, Sanford and Son, Good Times, What's Happening, Webster, Family Matters, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Gimme A Break, That's My Mama, Martin, Living Single, A Different World.

[@blackbuttecruizr]

Impressed you were brave enough to interview him.

[@frugalminimalist4502]

Impressed he did an interview with her.

[@JillianMichaels]

That’s the whole point. He was cool enough to engage with me and vice versa. If Matt and I can show up and have a respectful conversation about what we disagree on and find common ground as well… anyone can.

[@pervyboy69]

So stunning, so brave.........

[@fudemocrats]

​@@JillianMichaelsI'm glad you interviewed Matt but it's not brave. Brave is dying for you're country. .But I do love you're channel and videos.

[@len3169]

@@frugalminimalist4502 why? Unlike democrats, republicans actually talk to people that disagree with them.

[@AM-xj4bd]

I love that you two are together in person, and not just on a computer screen!

[@rosemaryalles6043]

Love Jillian for doing this. Well done. Our democracy is buttressed by finding common ground. Truly remarkable conversation. 💜 How do you spell MATURE? This is it.

[@JillianMichaels]

Thank you. That means so much to me. It’s taken me 50 years to get here 😂 Please also tell me the guests you guys want to hear from going forward.

[@jennifermusser3964]

@JillianMichaels this is awesome. I love both you guys and Matt cracks me up. I have followed you for years with fitness stuff (got the old videos and dvds)!!! And I am loving these convos you are having! The fda one was amazing too!! Go girlfriend!!!

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@rosemaryalles6043 It was very superficial, and Walsh uses a common trick: he brings up bad arguments concerning race and racism (and let's agree he has tons of bad ones to choose from) to pretend there is no good case to be made on the subject. People forcing a poor vaccine on everyone did the same thing. "There is no computer chip in the shot!!" That doesn't prove safety or effectiveness. Bill Gates and Lady Gaga just made a documentary doing the same thing. "We aren't lizard people!" That doesn't prove Gates isn't corrupt, when we have good reason to think he is. It's a common trick. It usually works.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Is YT removing more critical comments "mature?" Who needs the protection?

[@jethro1963]

Is there something about Walsh that makes people talks about their own issues rather than him, he's supposed to be the guest. Just saw Rogan going on about a faked moon landing. He's obviously a good listener.

[@elizabethdunford5423]

Loved this!!! Respectful conversation. I have a daughter that is lesbian and engaged, however I am a conservative Believer in Christ and believe like Matt, so I have a stake in both sides. I love my daughter and will never treat her in any other way, however I disagree with her lifestyle. Her and her fiance accept my love and respect my beliefs, and are very respectful around me! The approach is important! God bless!

[@Lirree88]

Wow Gillian you really embodied infinite grace. What a fantastic host. Thank you. A pleasure to witness, even through the uncomfortable moments.

[@JillianMichaels]

I’m tryin❤

[@midmomom2490]

That’s what all adults need to do…unfortunately we have such immature adults anymore

[@jaminunit]

@@JillianMichaels yeah, i really enjoyed this and am a conservative. I'd love to see a conversationaout the Trans issue with Matt too.

[@derekb4977]

​@@JillianMichaels love this conversation, please interview (Kellie jay keen, mr. Menno, and Douglas Murray.

[@jamaljohnson2535]

I paid double the tuition than other students because of my skin color, I have been fired without warning with no fear or a lawsuit because of my skin color, I am treated like a criminal because of my skin color, I cannot find work to support myself because of my skin color, and I can't get any support from my government because of my skin color. I am a straight white male and systematic racism is real.

[@honourthymother958]

I judge people on how they treat me, their community, & their families.

[@tinkpix425]

I actually got emotional hearing Jillian say that maybe the reason gay people exist is to help take care of the kids that needed family because they didn't have any. What a great conversation. Kudos to you both for sitting down and having those hard conversations.

[@nedhill1242]

Rationalization. In truth its simply a mutation, an accident of nature, an anomaly that affects roughly 4 percent of the population. Nature does have errors and mistakes due to environmental or other biological factors. Just as trans being real but at most .02 percent of the population. Not the social media, political, educational indoctrination and agenda we're currently seeing.

[@markwilkie7633]

That makes no sense. It would make more sense to say that infertile couples exist to take care of extra children as all children need a mom and a dad

[@AnnSmajstrla]

@@markwilkie7633 both could be true

[@markwilkie7633]

@@AnnSmajstrla not if all children need a mom and a dad

[@AnnSmajstrla]

@@markwilkie7633 I think all children are better off with parents who love them and want them, as opposed to being wards of the state or in orphanages overseas.

[@kellymcalister1203]

Great conversation! I was excited to see you invited Matt on your show. I do not agree with everything Matt has to say but I appreciate his consistency and of course his sarcastic humor.

[@sharonraboy3358]

We passed, as society, from "Don't judge a book by its cover" to "ONLY judge a book by its cover".

[@joelrodriguez1232]

As a black Latino (not that it matters), l appreciate this conversation. In my personal experience l have never seen nor have l ever experienced racism in this country. Hopefully we can now unite and put the "race issue" behind.

[@GroogMck]

This was brave to take on. Whoa!!

[@michellehill6166]

@@joelrodriguez1232 I find it hard to believe that you have never seen racism in this country. If you haven’t seen racism in this country your eyes are closed.

[@joelrodriguez1232]

@@michellehill6166 please define racism for me.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

​@joelrodriguez1232 I've seen excellent black employees paid less and abused and white ones in the same job category who aren't as good treated great. Yes more than one time. MANY times. I've been in a group of whites where the first thing they gripe about is race -- MANY times. Does that count? My father didn't come across as white to everyone, and I saw what that meant. It was tiny, but when we lived in Paris, it never happened. It was gone. Zero is better than tiny. I admit I was surprised. (I still don't really know what to think about that. Maybe we should have stayed?)

[@SnowLeopardForever]

@@joelrodriguez1232 Somehow I don’t believe that. There are racists on KZbin who will claim to be a person of color, make their thumb nail and name look like those of a person of color then make a comment yours. There was a whole story about that happening actually on KZbin.

[@danieldenton5721]

Matt asked "Should we just ignore the patterns we see in society?" She asked "what do you mean?" Why is she going to play dumb? She knows what he means just like anyone with a brain knows what he means.

[@danieldenton5721]

Then Matt asked "is there ever a scenario will you would act on that....? She replied " I wouldn't fall for it I don't think...." Throughout your conversation you guys talked about virtue signaling. In my opinion that is what she just did.

[@cynthiafigueroa2762]

It’s nice to see this conversation. I respect Jillian Michaels as a personal trainer and a leader in the health & fitness industry. I appreciate that she is willing to hear/listen to a perspective that disagrees with her own. This is how civilized people behave. Imagine that- communication doesn’t equal violence…go figure.

[@beest_]

The media has a very large impact on people's judgments. A lot of Black media show as Black as very aggressive and very quick to temper. Rap culture has negative feedback. You can't have it both ways, you cannot show yourselves as violent and expect people to not see you as violent in reality. Another negative point, is black slang and vocabulary. Everyone else speaks similarly except blacks. What do you do to social psyche?

[@sharaguzzetta9504]

I don’t engage much in the gay marriage debate anymore, but I think there are echos of the logic of gay rights that the tr@ns lobby uses that needs to be resolved. One of them is “born this way”. This is also an argument used by child abusers. And, honestly, that was pointed out by conservatives at the time. I would say if “gay marriage” “hurts” society it’s not by Jillian being married, but because of the Pandora’s box it opened.

[@urbansetter1]

It brought trans which is a shame

[@derekb4977]

​@@urbansetter1 please follow mr. menno and Kellie jay keen so many are starting to wake up.

[@Dave-cf4vd]

After trans they will normalize pedophilia, and that is the problem. This stuff is a direction, not an endpoint.

[@dancebysararieth]

I have been following Jillian since my health journey started in 2010. Have had so much respect for her with her passion for helping people. Matt also wants to help people and I’ve followed him since 2020. It was an amazing convo to listen to and while we can’t all agree all of the time, respectful conversations like this thought provoke and help us better understand one another. 💛

[@user-wo9jj6ii6t]

Props to you Jillian for having Matt Walsh on!

[@betsybabf748]

The problem some have is they don't seem to realize that the word "marriage" is used very different within the church and also within the law. No one owns the word, and no religion can claim it can only apply to their use, which is the issue here. As a fellow Christian, I have to say Matt is wrong. Someone can be marrying both in the church and in contract for the law, but those are two very different things. We have always known how to do that, as we have with "annulment". A Church annulment and a legal annulment are two completely different things, but the word applies to both processes, just like with marriage. As a Christian, I know Christians can't say "only we can use and define the word" because the word does not solely belong to us. The word marriage also applies to the non-religious legal contract, and no religion can dictate that.

[@lori342]

Jillian, they don't listen to me at the doctor either. Doctors just don't listen to women when they have idiopathic pain.

[@AnnSmajstrla]

Same. It’s happened to me twice. I went into the ER last year with terrible abdominal pain. I wasn’t given any pain killers until a sonogram revealed that I had an ovarian cyst and ovarian torsion - then the (male) doctor literally ordered me morphine, lol. Before that my pain got so bad that I was sweating heavily and even threw up.

[@jxxxhy]

Doctors don’t listen to men either. Most doctors have terrible social skills

[@wam3863]

@@AnnSmajstrlayou don’t want the doctor to do their do diligence before prescribing pain killers?

[@AnnSmajstrla]

@@wam3863 I feel like it took them too long to give me any kind of pain relief - I shouldn’t have had to have vomited from pain before I got anything.

[@wam3863]

@@AnnSmajstrla If you knew how many junkies that dealt with you would understand.

[@michaelstuchinerakatraveli3991]

This is very hard to watch because Jillian is trying so hard to be PC and say everything perfectly that she comes off as very disingenuous. If you like something or not, just say it. This is what I really appreciate about Matt.

[@ydennek856]

Im black and married to a beautiful blonde white woman and the amount of negativity racism we face, especially her, is sad and troubling. It's bringing us back 20 years

[@urzmontst.george6314]

MAtt Walsh and his ilk are not helping.

[@JillianMichaels]

I’m experiencing the exact same thing in my family as well. NEVER happened prior to the last several years. Troubling is putting it mildly. WTF?!

[@EricLThomp75]

@urzmontst.george6314 yes, he's helping....exposing one of the reasons racism keeps perpetuating

[@jaycarver4886]

​​@@JillianMichaels "Last several years" is your answer. The party currently in power is all in on stoking racial division and anyone with even one eye open should be able to see that. They are a completely different party than the old "big tent" Democrats. They are so far left leaning that if people continue giving them power this country will fall off the cliff. Stoking racial division is solely meant to divide us. Division =tension, and then unrest. What a field day for the government who then is justified to step in and control the situation. People are incredibly naïve. I recently heard Jordan Peterson do an analysis of Harris and Trump. I was a little surprised that he actually admitted that if he could vote in our election it would be for Trump. He is more centrist, more balanced, more transparent. Harris is talking a good game but she can't B.S. us into believing that she's completely done a 180 from her openly stated radical views. I'm not very political but I want a good life for my family and neighbors. Always important to focus on past track record and policy. Personality shouldn't carry much weight at all. I'd love to see you have Peterson on to go more in depth on the things I've just mentioned. Better yet, get Trump and Harris on. Long form unscripted conversations are absolutely necessary to learn about a candidate and their beliefs. Trump has no fear and would do it. But if you could get Harris that would be quite the coup! But you won't. No failure of yours...it's all on her. Enjoyed this episode. Respectly, J

[@pervyboy69]

Blame the woke media for pushing the race narrative constantly, it's just another form of divide & conquer by those in control.

[@dalnim4294]

Jillian is awesome. I hope one day Matt realizes it's okay for two women to marry. It's okay for two men to marry too. They're adults who love each other and it doesn't harm you.

[@Flashhood1425]

At 50:00 Matt nails it… as a dude who practices situational awareness I will absolutely size people up around me regardless of their race. Example… white guy I don’t know who continues to make eye contact or size me up- I’m absolutely going to move to a more tactically advantageous position and create distance. Same thing many aware women do. Why? Cuz people can be bad. It’s that simple.

[@jaycarver4886]

Women should read The Gift of Fear. Guys, too!

[@conniebillingsley3758]

You both did an awesome job in your dialogue. I am a born again Christian and it was so refreshing to see you both discuss topics openly and kindly even if you may not ultimately agree.

[@emubud7415]

Jillian, please check out Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder when it comes to race issues. They have a lot of good things to say!

[@Jaryism]

I want to clarify, cause she brought up polygamy in the Bible.. we need to be able to separate between permission vs prescription on what God allowed, polygamy was endemic in that culture at the time. But this wasn’t his intention, just like gay marriage. We’re all born with vices and imperfections and flaws of our design but can we overcome this nature for a higher Godly level of love? We have free will but are we just prisoners of our nature and passions? You decide..

[@MelanieRicheson]

Re: the dark alley conversation. There’s an incredible book called The Gift of Fear that talks about how women have been programmed to be “nice” to the point where they can ignore their own intuition. It has stories of women who saved their own lives by listening to their intuition and following it. I struggle with this a lot, and this conversation is definitely a big part of why. I am a domestic violence survivor so I have a lot of fear and I would hide from men of every color in every neighborhood including my “suburgatory” neighborhood as I like to call it ;) Even though I am treating people equally, I worry about how it comes across to people of different races because they don’t know that. This whole “how can I be a good person” thing can be very tough sometimes.

[@Fairdemand554]

The reason you do this in with men instead of women is what? Because you understand that the threat is greater from men. Does it mean you couldn’t be accosted by a woman? Of course not. But you have noticed a pattern and applied it to your life.

[@MelanieRicheson]

@@Fairdemand554 right. And to take it further… when I look back at the things I allowed to happen to me, I do regret that I was so worried about being kind or being judged that I completely abandoned myself and my safety as a result. I do take issue with telling women that if they are fearful in a moment that they should judge themselves for being scared and not take the instinctual precautions to be protected. If a girl wants to grab onto her mace in her purse while walking through a parking lot at night because she’s worried about someone or something, that’s exactly what she should do.

[@retiredby3570]

@@MelanieRicheson 😂😂😂

[@retiredby3570]

😢

[@MelanieRicheson]

@@retiredby3570 Do you take issue with the idea that if a woman feels scared in a dark parking lot that they should follow the basic safety principals of what to do in that situation (stay alert, don’t talk on phone, carry mace or personal alarm, etc)?

[@elo3963]

Jillian, SO much respect for you!!! What a breath of fresh air of a podcast… having a normal, peaceful conversation even when you disagree and live differently 🙌🏻 Good for you! I really enjoyed it, first time listening to your podcast

[@Tetarkall]

Tbh, I don’t think gay marriages being a thing is necessarily much of a threat to classic marriage, I think no fault divorce, and the incentives for divorce are much larger threats.

[@jamiesheasby3572]

I appreciate this so much Jillian, these conversations are so important. I'm sure people thought you were nuts for interviewing Matt, but he has some really great perspectives.

[@heathernewby6146]

I have so much respect for Julian for proving we can have different views and yet have a very good conversation. 👏

[@truegirl2anna]

Ok now I need a Dave Rubin and Jillian interview if there already hasn’t been one!!

[@midmomom2490]

Matt Walsh interview much more inspiring than Dave Rubin just my opinion

[@AnnSmajstrla]

@@truegirl2anna ew - no thanks. Dave’s convo with Joe Rogan was a train wreck

[@RC-lr3fo]

Have you seen The Jefferson’s”? Hilarious show from the 70’s. Black Mr. Jefferson makes fun of the white man. To me, racism was a thing of the past since then (the 70’s). And I still believe that! Stop it with the racial insanity! Thank you Matt for your incredible work!

[@bumpercoach]

It's SUCH a magnificent movie... the BEST of COMEDY addressing actually important but sensitive issue