FATE: The Winx Saga gave me whiplash | Explained

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Somehow this sent me down a rabbit hole where I read all the Fate: The Winx Saga Bloom/Stella fanfiction what is WRONG with me? Like there was only 5 but STILL

[@carines3395]

I dont know, but now im curious and gonna read it too, so thanks for that!

[@mayrabrrn4]

Now we need a video

[@Sabrina-sc1db]

But... were they good? We need a review!

[@AmandaTheJedi]

@@Sabrina-sc1db There WAS one I liked and it has 2 whole chapters already

[@danibrun4258]

Somehow

[@CeCe25234]

one of the things I hate the most about the "live adaptation" is that they pit the girls against each other for a boy while the cartoon taught us of supporting your friends and lifting each other up

[@70shalu]

They fought against the witches though and everyone @ 16 - 18 is obsessed with getting married (except Musa, Alisha, and Techna)

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Yeah when I heard a core theme was friendship and that was the main thing they were trying to carry over into the show I was like, ummm, you guys got any deleted scenes of that friendship development?

[@lunasuji]

@@70shalu but the witches do try to kill everyone... the winx girls never fight over boys

[@70shalu]

@@lunasuji True. Honestly that was the most admirable thing about them. I was hoping that this show would have more diversity and body positivity (bc the original show has big issues in these departments) but they glossed over Aisha, Terra, and Musa’s friendship even though it was much more fun and interesting to watch. They some cute one-liners and interactions and honestly I would have loved a show centering around them. It was like I was watching two different stories. Also, like the fact that they added guy fairies and girl specialists but they could have done more.

[@tmntaddict]

Once Upon a Time is the only live-action show I've ever seen successfully built on the theme of...well, anything(but hope in this case).They all went from enemies to becoming family in an extremely unique way.

[@mothiestman4995]

I am so angry they made Stella into a bitch. She was rich and spoiled from being an actual princess, yes, but she was a genuine sweetheart who wanted to help Bloom and the others and was just a really good person.

[@mythandmayhem1134]

A MULTI-DIMENSIONAL character? What? The audacity! I’m angry too.

[@mothiestman4995]

@@mythandmayhem1134 Also lowkey suprised they ditched Aisha's amnesia arc when she went by Layla?

[@silver6640]

Am I remembering this right isnt her ma dead? Like she was dead or not part of Stella's life but she's alive now and super OP like. Uhhhhh. I remember now she wasnt dead but like boi did they do her dirty and blooms parents too. AND farahgonda I legit yelped at the last episode.

[@kaylyn2198]

I agree with you but I was happy that she had some character development and back story.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

I think by the end, other than her going at Aisha, she did grow a lot... but again, there was that whole moment with Aisha

[@billuraral1870]

Remember how in the original Bloom was happily adopted and her parents were aware of her fairy heritage and loved and supported her? Or hoe the show's core theme was the unbreakable sisterhood between the Winx girls? Well, none of that healthy relationship nonsense here! Just leather jackets and Riverdale speech!

[@kyonaerinphwa3032]

Ikr

[@kosmic100]

Riverdale speech lmao

[@novemberninth4392]

Healthy relationship is SOOO boring and childish, ugh, let's give it more dark and edge!

[@PowerSpirit50]

@@novemberninth4392 I know right?! We want characters without redeeming qualities!

[@Monie71793]

💯😩💀💀

[@Anemone_Productions]

You know what sucks is that in the animated series Bloom was openly adopted. Her dad was a firefighter and found her as a baby in a fire and they took her in. It was a huge plot point that she loved her adopted parents as much as she wanted to learn about her birth family and powers and they were supportive of this. Making parents abusive and erasing a positive adoption narrative is so toxic lmao

[@dorianleakey]

I think these are script change hangovers, she wanted to be a loner because of her uncontrolled powers, her parents try to change that which causes the outburst where she burns her mother but then decided that shgould be the first outburst and reaslisation of her powers, so now the parents need to make her feel that way.

[@marvel096]

actually, she didn't know she was adopted until the middle of the first season, but yeah her adoptive parents were always super supportive

[@user-zi9fq7bz5q]

in the Cinelume dub, sure she didnt know. But in the 4kids dub, she always knew

[@blah7983]

They also had room to just make it more nuanced. The parents don’t have to do everything right, but they should want to and try to.

[@adapienkowska2605]

I think it would be better if they showed that Blooms obsession with her birth parents comes from guilt of hurting her adoptive parents. I think they pushed the plot far too much, ignoring relationships on the way. They shouldn't go further with plot than taking the ring back and spend the additional time on building friendship between the girls.

[@jaash7981]

Why does Netflix think 90s kids want their favorite cartoons back but sad and edgy and colorless. Seriously why is Riverdale so grey.

[@Latte-at-night]

Especially when like,,, Winx isn't 90s kids territory anymore, it's from the 2000s !! the worst thing is the terrible fashion tbh

[@gpodjoe9179]

Winx belongs to 2000s kids. Fun fact kids born in the year 2000 will be 21 this year and can drink. Feel old yet?

[@c--mn4ub]

God forbid adults like colours and fun. Once you hit 18, you're emo forever

[@Kmkmkms]

to be fair over time riverdale gets less grey looking but it also gets worse

[@nameymcnameface1834]

You do always get the vocal minority calling for "dark, edgy" versions because we're adults now so it should cater to us! I see it quite a bit for Power Rangers. Power Rangers! I know it's not a cartoon, but still.

[@charlottehodge8695]

I really don't like how Bloom had no repercussions after she caused so much trouble, even after Sam almost died because she set Rosalind free. I can't believe Aisha had to say sorry to bloom instead of Bloom saying sorry to everyone. Honestly Bloom is the most dislikable main character I have ever seen, she is so selfish.

[@jordan2035]

THIS !! It was so disappointing to see everyone lacked logic. Bloom set off a chain of events that hurt so many around her. I honestly can’t stand her presence. Aisha deserved soooooo much better :(

[@caiahinstyle]

You know, I honestly thought Bloom was very dislikable as well.. I didn’t want to say it but I hope they really elaborate on the other characters next season because she is very disappointing.

[@wildersea3047]

I think this is my first time disliking a female lead this much, I only find her annoying and ignorance, i honestly cannot stand her presence. :)

[@kaya119]

I honestly disliked Bloom by the end of the like one of the first scenes. When she was in the wrong place and clearly lost and Skye came over to offer to help her and she was like "I don't need you to mansplain it to me". Like...clearly you need someone to explain things to you because you are in the wrong place and look completely lost. And that's not even what mansplaining is. She talks like an Angry Twitter user. And from then on she just seemed to get worse and worse. Being rude to basically anyone who tried to help her. And while I can see her parents being controlling, her trying to convince her father that her mother was crazy was so concerning.

[@Justme-xo5nl]

Yes, I was watching is with friends and we were hating on Bloom being an horrible person

[@fuunosenshi]

Why isn't anyone talking about the fashion? Forget bright colors, Stella dresses like my mother, and I am 39. And Terra uses really unflattering clothes. The original show had actual designers draw some of the fashion the girls used, that was a big part of the appeal of Winx

[@jasonwalker4003]

For real I'm a guy that NEVER cares about fashion and even I was disappointed. Clothes are essential for showcasing character design in live action, this is just dissapointing

[@alexaabbi3388]

Agreed the fashion choice is atrocious

[@FM-cp6kc]

Apparently the last work of the costume designer for Winx was Desperate Housewives. So yeah, that explains everything.

[@SiDitris]

ModernGurlz talked about it. You can watch their videos for that

[@harshasewlani5312]

@@FM-cp6kc that explains so much

[@solevazquezmaria]

I HATE it when in fiction an adopted character talks about finding their "real" parents. You mean "biological" or "birth" parents, right? Why doesn't anyone call her out on it. I have friends who are adopted and they would never call the bio parents real because that implies that their adopted parents are, IDK, fake? unreal? why?

[@TuesdaysArt]

Everyone knows once you find out you're adopted, your adoptive parents disappear into the ether /s

[@moiramontoya1023]

That's what was great about the original. Bloom called her bio parents her birth parents, never her "real" parents. And, when she found and saved her birth parents, they invited her adoptive parents over to their world to thank them for raising and loving her. She calls both sets of parents mum and dad.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I found out years ago that I was adopted, and while I *was* a bit angry and sad at first, I accepted my Parents as my real Parents. Who cares about these other People that I never knew? I'm happy where I am.

[@Mike14264]

Yeah, I know some of these characters are kids, and may not have notion of what they're saying at that moment, but even still, it's just mean to say it like that. Even worse when you're a teenager, or a young adult!

[@Mike14264]

@@moiramontoya1023 now that is nice. I'm not familiar with Winx, so I barely remembered that Bloom was adopted, but if that happened in the series, that means the "girly girl show for kids" was way more adult and respectful than a good amount of movies for more mature audiences nowadays.

[@KaitoAisuLover]

I hate the whole concept of Stella being a mean girl. In the original show she’s a bit shallow, but overall a very sweet person who openly cares about her friends. Idk why they added the mean girls drama :/

[@NAME-yg8sl]

Stella would never try to hurt Bloom. If Sky made a move on her Stella would probably kill him.

[@butterscotch2730]

I actually liked that because I felt like it gave some dept to the mean girl trope. We learn that Stella is not just mean, but has a difficulty to express her feelings properly due to her upbringing, and it's shown in a compassionate way. But yeah, mean girl drama is not new and not necessary, and I totally see why people where annoyed by that decision.

[@glorialiedtke8931]

Original Show was great at giving characters flaw but also strengths to keep them realistic. Like I could picture myself being friends with each and everyone of them.

[@Aisha_Luv]

EXACTLY. AS SOMEONE WHO LOVES FASHION THATS WHY I LOVED STELLA!!! Femininity is always demonized and its like, I just like pretty stuff, and making myself look pretty and stylish.

[@WilandTarafan]

I loved Stella in the cartoon. There was no competition for a guy with Bloom and they were friends like almost right away. I like that they all gave the girls a guy to be a love interest in the cartoon instead of Stella and Bloom fighting over Sky. That just seems to teen drama for my tastes

[@jordanbellamy1722]

I’m adopted and the one thing I’ve always hated in shows with the whole adopted storyline is always the “I have to find my real parents”/“I don’t know who I am without them”. I’ll tell you who you are without, the exact same person you were before. I have never called my biological mom my real mom. My (adopted) mom is my real mom and she’s the one who helped me find myself and teach me about life/morals. You don’t suddenly learn all of that by meeting your “real” mom. I could never relate to any adoption story on TV because of that. It was genuinely so frustrating and I always felt bad for my mom, when adoptive parents are never referred to as “real” parents .

[@frogradar]

Adoption storylines in shows are always so fucking "nuclear family" positive. The adopted child finds out they are adopted and all of a sudden disown the adopted parents to search out the parents who gave them up and it always goes one of two ways "I was just not ready for a child, but I am now" "I was made to give you up, for your own protection" and then the Biological parents just overtake the parenting. It's such a shit thing for the adoptive parents because they are essentially told "actually you aren't good enough I need to find my REAL parents lol bye" and then the show reinforces this.

[@mksabourinable]

Hell even in the original show Bloom knew she was adopted the whole time, she only seeks out her birth heritage bc it's relevant to her powers, and she needs to learn more about that shite to fight the bad guys. Before she even embarks on that quest tho she talks about it with her parents and expresses guilt about wanting to know more about where she comes from. Like her parents in the original show are awesome, super caring, wholesome, supportive, a bit dorky, but yea! Her mom owns a plant store, her dad's a firefighter - who found her in a fire as a baby, completely unharmed, which was weird as hell to him, AND HONESTLY MORE FUCKING COMPELLING. Like why not start the show with a bunch of firefighters fighting a fire and then one of em hearing a baby crying, investigating, getting the baby, then the second she's in his arms the fire goes out - LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CARTOON. Like that adds mystery and intrigue! (The way it happened in the cartoon didn't as much bc it was revealed in a flashback well after Bloom figured out a lot about her powers already, but hey! There's a good way to age it up! Fucks sakes.) Like in the cartoon her pursuing her birth heritage is bc the evil witches have like... Stolen the dragon fire I think at that point and are taking over the world, so she needs to learn more about it and where she comes from in order to fight and stop them! She still assures her parents that she loves them and couldn't have asked for better parents, etc, etc. Like it's VERY adoption positive fucks sakes.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@mksabourinable Whaaaa? An animated show showing more tact than the 'more mature' live action version? Why I never-!

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

The first series of Digimon handled this aspect better than this....THING. It's revealed that Izzy is adopted but his distance from his adoptive parents aren't because 'I want to find my real parents'. No, Izzy finds out by accident that his parents are killed and overhears his adoptive parents arguing over when to tell him the truth but from Izzzy's POV, it comes off as if they're arguing over this because HE'S the problem. Only near the end does he find out the truth in that they DID have a baby but he died and when Izzy's parents died, they were the only remaining relatives but they still loved him and they were just concerned. And Izzy loves his parents but just didn't know what to do when he found out. He was MUCH younger than Bloom but even that was better than...this.

[@jordanbellamy1722]

@@mksabourinable And that’s one of the reasons I loved the Winx when I was kid. It was always the “My fake parents didn’t tell me I was adopted, now I hate them so I’m going to ignore and disrespect them (maybe put them into harms way) then I’m gonna go find my real mommy/daddy because they would never lie to me” trope. Everything was so negative about being adopted! Every adoption story was just those aren’t your real parents, you can only know who you are if you’re blood related. Your fake parents may say they love you but they can never reallllly understand you, only your blood family can do that, even if they’re homicidal maniacs/evil then you’ll just be alone and misunderstood forever.

[@gp2671]

I laughed when Bloom said she didn't want Sky to "mansplain" when he was trying to give her directions and help her out. Helping someone, who is new and visibly looks like they are lost, isn't mansplaining; it's just regular explaining. I think the writers added it in for budget feminism. Mansplaining is "the explanation of something by a man, typically to a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing". I never saw giving directions to a lost person in the definition. I have been the new girl before and no one helped me; I would have been happy for any help back when I was in school. During a majority of the show, all the girls did was fight and be mean to each other. Aisha has been reduced to the token black friend who builds up the pretty lead female character.

[@noem.7430]

yeah mansplaining would be like, if you say to a guy that you are a marvel fan and he starts to explain to you what happen in end game

[@TehMomo_]

@@noem.7430 and for it to be TRUE mansplaining...he is wrong about everything...making you wonder it's he's seen a single mcu movie...

[@lehahiah81]

I still find the term to be unnecessary, because anyone can be a condescending ass regardless of gender.

[@gp2671]

@@lehahiah81 And it's an overused term. Also, I have friends and family who womansplain things to boys. I even do it. But it's not a term.

[@lehahiah81]

@@gp2671 Femsplain is more catchy in my opinion, but they're both dumb

[@crazym1me]

The worst part of the whole remake, is the fact that Stella and Bloom were made romantic rivals rather than best friends. The whole tournament arc where Bloom is destroyed by Skye being engaged to someone else and backs her over all the royalty, was the moment I wished I had a friend like that when I grew up. Absolutely terrible and a huge trainwreck.

[@yoonjinlife9579]

hold on ..there is no Brandon X Stella 😭😭😭

[@pikadawnshowbiz7968]

I hated the whole Bloom and Stella as love rivals in the Winx reboot. In the original, I loved Stella and Bloom's relationship because even though Stella very much acted like your typical blonde rich girl, she still cared deeply for Bloom and her friends and would do anything for them. And Stella and Bloom had their own guys so they never fought about boys but I know for sure that even if you took Brendan out of the picture, they would still be best friends. The reboot completely ignore Bloom and Stella's relationship and made them enemies for "drama" and I freaking hate it

[@sarabrenna5525]

Yes Stella and Bloom's friendship was so beautiful and they completely butchered it. Also i hate the fact that Stella wasn't the stereotypical rich feminine girl who likes fashion and is mean, but in the live action they made her fit that stereotye.

[@katalinilles1177]

I was devastated by this. Honestly so harmful. I feel betrayed that this was made, like the writers assumed people who watched the original were shallow. Winx was about friendship. Period. Why can't someone make a tv show for young adults with healthy friendships and relationships.

[@Nice-sz4ee]

@@katalinilles1177 agreed! it was really nice seeing Stella, a blonde seemingly shallow rich girl character being explored (her being a trope was definitely intentional). Her character and relationships got way deeper throughout the seasons e.g. brandon getting betrothed to the underground princess, that solaria parents arc, the ep where stella became a monster and we found out about her insecurities. There was a lot more than this live action show could ever offer!

[@naruli]

Honestly one of the worst parts of the show is how it's tone is just 'what adults think teens are like' with all the sex, drugs and weird ass feminism. How did a show, ATTEMPTING to push progressive mindsets, erase TWO POC CHARACTERS. HOW.

[@dorianleakey]

Its because teens in the past did have those things, you guys are hella boring compared to your parents. Maybe not you specifically, but generally. The smoked and drank and got pregnant way more than kids these days.

[@naruli]

@@dorianleakey I mean more like how they presented it; people still do that but like it's not in the awkward way they present it

[@sarilchowdhury3955]

@@dorianleakey dude I very much prefer whatever boring version we have compared to teens getting pregnant and drinking. Also people still do that but the way they present it in the shows is such a cringy way like if someone actually acted like that they would literally be an outcast no matter what parties and booze they drank

[@okmeowokmeow]

@@dorianleakey geez we get it dude, you’re too edgy to even consider therapy for the trauma that your not “hella boring” teen years left you with. Or to admit that you should check up with your doctor about that teenage (and present?) alcoholism you had going on. Be careful not to break your neck falling off that high horse.

[@leichtmeister]

But BoDy PoSiTiViTy!!!1!11

[@zaidamoosa6829]

Listen were all either gay or depressed, we dont want edgy and dark . We just want glitter and the feeling of nostalgia. They honestly had so much potential with the cartoon and could've made it great but it's like the writers went on twitter and saw some edgy memes and thought ohh so this is what teens want

[@Ty-mu7gl]

I love this comment

[@Cher_4043]

this comment is so accurate and funny and the same time I-

[@unicornburgers302]

YES, I’m here for a sparkly escapism fantasy. Clearly these people don’t know their audience.

[@Game_Erica]

This is the most accurate comment I have ever seen lol,, There's a reason why the Dark Bloom episodes were my favourites *lesbian panic*

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Me: well I’m not gay so that means...oh no

[@beckysaurus3277]

It’s basically just Shadow Hunters. Red headed heroine, who doesn’t know her past because she was hidden from her magical world as a baby. And one of the first people she meets in this world is the blonde sword welding, leather jacket wearing worrier love interest. Then just like all the Nextflic teen originals the main heroine continues to make selfish decisions for her own personal reasons. Until she fucked up bad then asks for help to fix the problems she’s created only to do another selfish thing to create a cliffhanger for the next season.

[@hescutethough2419]

Omg so true... Its sad because the original was so good, bloom always knew she was adopted, Stella wasnt a bword and the girls friendship was strong and inspiring. And floras cousin... Dude. She doesnt even have a Charakter?? Being big should t be All she is?? Wth writers of the Show, did yall ever think about how Bad all that Angsty bs can be for young girls??

[@lisasowa1195]

Exactly what I thought! And the main pairing doesn’t have any chemistry in either show too!

[@beckysaurus3277]

@@lisasowa1195 and in shadow hunters they thought they were siblings for a while!

[@NataliaNNS]

It’s very similar, but I also found this a bit more enjoyable than shadow hunters, maybe because I’m more distant from the source material, whereas with shadow hunters I was expecting them to actually follow the book plot and make at least a little dense within the own universe they were creating

[@jennifertaylor4902]

But I'd say better acted than the main couple in shadowhunters.

[@Jenna-in4br]

Hmm yes, show originally about girls getting along and being besties who use team work? Hmm let's turn that into all of them hating each other and all only caring about some boy

[@captv334]

Right!!! I hate it here

[@Sarah-og3mp]

So progressive and feminist. Wow

[@lightningfurystrike13]

it's 2021 let girls be friends. Catty bitch is not the default.

[@stuckinthelazycorneragain4016]

Right let's go back to the huge stereotype that women hate other women by nature 🙄

[@ricecola9609]

Low-key expected one of them to be lesbian because that's where 2021 shows based off of old cartoons or shows seem to be too going

[@Scatscar1985]

"Created by a former "Vampire Diaries" writer". And I'm out.

[@user-ok4xb1rd9f]

He really likes his love triangles

[@silver6640]

That's what my friend said when we watched the character interviews

[@salzkuuu]

@@user-ok4xb1rd9f which I hate more than anything in romance

[@TheOther-Dude]

And for those reasons... I'm out

[@infinitivez]

My first question to my friends after hearing it was a prior Vamp diaries writer... "is it chock full of long lustful gazes and brooding segments?" They assured me it was far less than VD- I should have trusted my instincts!

[@BeastGuyver]

You forgot to mention the complete lack of staff at the school, a head mistress, a botany teacher, and a fighting instructor and oh and the assistant that gets killed.

[@glorialiedtke8931]

Even Hogwarts is a more realistic school.

[@ShimShamFimFam]

The fucking slaughtering of Stella’s characterization and her close friendship with Bloom really makes me so mad

[@scarletphoenix6158]

Omg same, I’m really pissed of about it!

[@smitra5901]

Seeing Stella romancing with Sky made me gag so badly. Bloom and Stella were best friends. And look at what they did to this show. 🙃

[@Godzillakingofkaiju1]

@@smitra5901 Yeah, Stella would've been the one to _encourage_ Bloom to make the first move.

[@justmarlen]

fr her & blooms friendship was one of my fav things about winx

[@depgabby]

What ? You mean two young women could enjoy a smooth friendship without getting into a cat fight over a boy ?? Impossible !!

[@saratheotaku]

Ugh they really butchered Stella, who was in fact, my favorite. She wasn't a mean girl, a bit airheaded and could be selfish, but she still loved her friends. They just had to make her a stereotypical blonde mean girl, that's just really stupid.

[@luuuuux_]

Stella was an amazing person

[@dancortat7445]

Yeah, they did that classic insulting female rivality over a Boy. I used to love the original Winx Club, with this live action they just messed up with something that had potencial to be good. And also messed up with the storylines... It's like Riverdale, like someone (that just came to puberty) made up a nonsense fanfiction. The script is bad, and looks like they tried too hard to force (and show) that the serie wans't for children. They could do better... But that serie is awful. Sorry my rusty English. And my comments notifications are disabled, so I can ignore ignorant people

[@gabriellebrown3594]

Exactly I loved Stella...she was a bit arrogant at times but she apologized and made up for it in her charm. She is my fav. They took her boo out...GET BRANDON BACK Ion want Sky for her I’m upset they ruined her and made her and bloom enemies for a BOY Like they were best friends, the first out of the squad to meet and arguably the closest to each other apart from the group Boils my blood at what they did

[@Mike14264]

Say, question... What was the "golden" era of Winx? With so many seasons, and the evil sorcerer this, and evil merman that, Trix here, evil goth guys there, I seriously can't figure out my way around here.

[@megha3498]

@@Mike14264 The golden era for the Winx club saga ended with season 4!

[@BurlapRat]

This was literally "Chilling Adventures Of The Winx Club"

[@asheniza1168]

Definitely

[@harveycustodio2625]

At least Sabrina Netflix reboot is better than Winx Club... I alright with the Dark Magic but I would want a Sitcom style of this Chilling Adventures where there isn't any big story plots or is more like WandaVision...

[@keanucisco4189]

Chilling adventures was much better than this. I’m gonna bet you didn’t watch Sabrina and you thought making this comment was gonna get you likes

[@cchase1282]

@@keanucisco4189 i watched caos and literally got caos vibes watching winx

[@keanucisco4189]

@@cchase1282 thats very very odd

[@sydnie7799]

There’s a lot to hate about this show as a Winx fan, but I’m truly upset and hurt by the fact that they forced Aisha into a stereotypical black friend stereotype. They took away all her agency.

[@AlysiaTribeca]

But they made it okay because she's smart and studious (sarcastic) they handled her character so poorly and it's sad

[@witchplease9695]

They turned her into such a token and took away her princess status and defining personality traits to make her a boring bestie. Pissed me off.

[@ihavenosoul1311]

We learned alot about the other girls but we never really learned about aisha other than what she talked about which was annoying.. also the first season was short, it felt like people became close too fast and it was all weird conversation where everyone talked too much even though they shitted on terra but atleast she was the most sound person there

[@Nocturne22]

Bloom was also just such an asshole to her: WHY Aisha wants to be around her, much less friends, makes zero sense.

[@candicee5849]

It's written by a straight white guy with a plastic smile, you really think he is going to do anything to advance anything other than tokenism? This is why we need more diverse show runners, people who actually care about putting forward ideas that actually depict other cultures, but then we are talking about Netflix here, white straight male suits who have a habit of axing shows that feature diversity first and fastest aka just long enough to soak up the good press by saying they did it but not long enough for it to actually matter.

[@kyramainer3315]

I just realized that Aisha went from swimming 3+ times a day everyday to being Bloom’s personal assistant. Even taking the assistant job to spy for her. Clearly very dedicated to her element and her sport, but gotta help my white roommate!

[@NAME-yg8sl]

I noticed that, when Aisha failed her water spell in class I was praying for a new plot to come up where the opposite powers, water and fire are clashing. So there powers don't work together until the master it No matte how stupid it was just needed her to be her own self.

[@marypoppins8884]

What does Bloom's skin color have to do with that? Like I agree with everything but you didn't need to add "white". It sounds racist.

[@kenpoarniceguy1]

It kind of reminded me of how Flora did the same to her in an older episode.

[@beautifullEternal]

@@marypoppins8884 it has to do with tropes

[@chrussublah4264]

@@marypoppins8884 Aisha was literally pushed into the stereotypical black token best friend role to the white lead. The dynamic is already racially charged. It's similar to the gay best friend. A token minority character who seems to only exist for the sake of the main character (and main character are generally white) with no agency of their own

[@dianareynolds2446]

The Riven in the animated series was a caring bad boy who didn't take crap from anyone. But he and Musa had an on and off toxic relationship which could have been explored so much. Stella was the mean girl without being mean. She was fun and sassy and a fashion icon. But in this she is just a bich. And in the animated series Stella had a boyfriend, Brandon. Their relationship was amazingly iconic. I can't belive that didn't happen.

[@CapucineNighly]

.. I was waiting and looking for Brandon... Like where he be at? :o The Winx girls relationships are well known and popular. Hells, this live action is badly written.

[@stewieismyhomeboy]

You know, I wouldn't mind that they added a plus-size character if they didn't make her story about the guy she's romantically interested in mocking her behind her back. Can't fat girls just exist in this world without our stories being about how we're so undesirable?

[@johannageisel5390]

Yeah! Flora could have been a plus size girl (and still latina) and still get a cute and sweet boyfriend like Helia.

[@louscupcake]

I feel you. At one moment I felt like Terra's whole personality was just being plus-sized because they emphasized it so much... And you legit don't see any other girl who is a plus size which is so unrealistic

[@trekadouble757]

There is a french TV serie called "Joséphine ange gardien" (Josephine the guardian angel). It's basically about a guardian angel who is sent on Earth to guide humans who have problems (She calls them her clients). It's quite a popular serie, the show has been going on for more than ten years, and each episode is one and a half hour long. To blend in her clients' lives, she typically comes in as the new coworker or the new neighbour, like for example in one episode she has to help a tango teacher and she gets hired as a musician. The thing is, the actors who plays Joséphine has dwarfism. This was adressed in the first episode, but after that it's never adressed. Josephine is hired as a broadway dancer and singer in one episode and nobody bats an eye about her height even though she will be on stage in the show, she also gets hired as a photograph, barmaid, fashion designer, etc. The word "short" or "small" or "dwarf" is simply not used in relation to her ever in the serie. I wish movies could do that more often.

[@johannageisel5390]

@@trekadouble757 I generally wish people with disabilities would be represented more in media. Diversity comes in all kinds, not only gender identity and skin colour.

[@lusserrano]

flora shouldve been latina plus size and interested in Helia, he was a sweet loving boyfriend to flora, he wrote poems, draw, he was a great specialist who drooped school to be a pacifist, he was amazing and flora deserves him

[@Aelitagurl]

Instead of them making this live action, they could have added ALL the seasons of original Winx Club 😭😠

[@kevin4061]

The official yt channel has a playlist that I'm currently watching.

[@Aelitagurl]

@@kevin4061 thank you so kindly! Much appreciated 😄

[@bishht000hello3]

They were gonna do this to avatar lol 😂

[@Aelitagurl]

@@bishht000hello3 I heard about that and my first thought was, "Please no. The movie was bad enough" lmfao

[@xxyzxxyz690]

@@bishht000hello3 They're still gonna do it. Some people seem to think it was cancelled when Mike and Bryan left because of creative differences or something like that but it's still happening, it's just gonna be much worse than it originally would've been

[@almanacillusion8627]

The two biggest, objective problems with FATE: The Winx Saga was 1. The white washing, and 2. The fact that they missed out on the core message of Winx: friendship above all else. In the remake it seemed like the girls didn't even like each other very much

[@the_devil4676]

not just the core message, every message. ‘remake’ ‘adaptation’ hell even saying it’s inspired by winx would be a stretch. fate is literally just a bland boring edgy magic teen show and they are just using the name winx for attention. everything about fate is disrespectful to the original everyone who made it and the fans

[@butterscotch2730]

To the friends thing: Wouldn't it be really nice to see them grow together instead of them all suddenly being friends forever? I actually hope to see that...

[@1996koke]

Yeah, Terra and Musa were the only ones who actually behaved like friends. You know you've fucked up when only 1 of the relationships inn a group of 5 (I think that's 10 posible relationships in total) felt like an actual friendship

[@milar2587]

i'm mostly impressed how they whipped out stella's boyfriend so they can make bloom and stella fight for sky???? with what purpose?? female rivalry i guees why not?

[@bayleaf7138]

Which is so freaking sad because they had the best relationship out of everyone in the show. Also I am so sad about sky's casting... I want the dumbass, surfer himbo I was promised

[@aurorasyreen863]

Also by taking him away they totally destroyed the whole switcharoo storyline about Sky being a prince and changing places with his bodyguard and then Stella's whole thing about her boyfriend turning out to not be a prince. ALSO where is my longhaired hippie childhood crush like wtf :(

[@depgabby]

Right... we want to see women lifting each other up not fighting over a boy

[@aurorasyreen863]

Plus if they wanted female rivalry they could've made Diaspro a fairy and wouldn't have had to butcher Stella's character... ugh...

[@Game_Erica]

I'm so mad about that because I can remember so well how good of a relationship was. In the comics, there was a moment where someone was pretending to be Stella's boyfriend so she kissed him and once he left, she just told Bloom: "That's not him." SHE COULD TELL THAT FROM KISSING HIM. And they ripped him out for drama which ends up being the most cliche thing ever

[@HendersonMoon]

In the original cartoon Aisha was such a badass character,with a whole Arc for her own and in this show they made all her motivation and story resumed in save bloom's ass( And being VILLAINIZED for that) . This makes me so angry

[@janellelives5158]

Aisha was acting way more rational than the rest of the girls. She definitely shouldn’t have been villanized.

[@WritingGeekNL]

@@janellelives5158 The fact that Aisha/Layla of all people had to act rationally is already funny. Since she is one of the less rational girls in the group, with her adventurous mindset.

[@FairyBogFather]

RIGHT, why was she just everyone's babysitter? They really had the gall to twist Aisha, a teenage magical girl, into a stereotypical mammy figure. I had some hope going in, because it is refreshing to see deeper skin representation but they had to make her a racist trope with nothing else going for her 🙄 The character, the actress, and the viewers deserve so much more.

[@semolinalibra]

I feel like people are giving her a free pass because she’s black. She was annoying at the end, if she wasn’t black everyone would be hating her

[@hazelsunderstood6784]

It's cuz the producers are the same that did VDC!!! Bonnie was the main characters best friend. But they gave her no love interest, no story until the main character was gone, the actress was a more successful dancer and musician, they gave no time for that. They took this character and changed them into what I image they thought of as "strong support women" and of course she's annoying. Her story was twisted by racists!! I'm white and the fact that this show had so much diversity (&colors, &good story) was the reason I watched it!!! ... We should not hate the characters or the actresses/actors. We should hate the damn producers and writers of the show.

[@bellota_miau]

I can't understand Netflix. They have "Anne with an E" and "To all the boys I loved before" proving them that teens can watch cute and colorful stuff that still have deep topics and diverse characters. Not everything needs to go Riverdale or new Sabrina.

[@47ratsinahoodie]

Netflix trying to make the next Sabrina is like Cartoon Network trying to make the next Courage the Cowardly Dog or Adventure Time or Nickelodeon trying to make the next iCarly and I'm so over it. Netflix needs to understand that you're not going to perfectly recreate the magic of one show in another show but that doesn't mean you keep trying and butchering other properties. Just try something different.

[@Isarai1705]

I wouldn't even put TABILB there but I support the point of stop with the Riverdale/Sabrina shows. Very bad points and plots

[@Artemis-xx2hh]

Anne with with E was actually made by CBC, which is a Canadian media company :)

[@maiar2239]

Oh, I love CAOS. But it's true that it has many plot problems and the intention of being Riverdale with witchcraft (although it's much better than that dumpster fire). I wish it had stayed true to the comics (the new ones, not the original ones), but I still think it has redeeming qualities: it's an entertaining show, with good aesthetics, good soundtrack and a good cast, especially Kiernan as Sabrina. Definitely the best season is S1. The second is good too but in the third you can see the lack of direction and the fourth is just a great exaggeration but I really liked the decision they made at the end, quite risky but realistic.

[@carolinaperezbonfante3186]

Just like any other show about "troubled" American teenagers. Hate your parents, being mean but popular, doing drugs, not knowing who you are. How original. Gimme a break 😒

[@user-hw5ws1pw3s]

IKR! Its so tiring

[@sanasunshine3]

@Ana J Yeah lol, apparently this is a high school thing

[@themelanatednomad6989]

@Dummy-chan Weirdo It’s very disgusting. Especially when they show sex scenes with “teenagers”.

[@almightyduck6186]

You can be troubled and like your parents and be nice and not popular and not do drugs. It’s called depression and anxiety XD.

[@amberwingtundrawing776]

They're not even American theyre mostly British except Bloom, which honestly is kind weird because they never really do anything with that either

[@thedorkettereads6052]

I can't believe that Aisha was framed as being the bad guy for telling Dowling when she was RIGHT, all Bloom had to do was wait a night for Dowling to tell her everything, and instead she freed a war criminal and set off a chain of events that handed all the villains a victory.

[@storsolo]

Yes!! This made me so mad

[@thedorkettereads6052]

@@storsolo Team Aisha Deserved Better lol

[@annaramdial7964]

She had a brain and the show tried to convince us she is the bad one not the girls who are about to get ppl killed with a plan they clearly did not think through.

[@shannonwatson5769]

Yes but the mythical beasts known as teenagers don’t think logically apparently and when they want something they have to have it then and there. What was that? You, nor anyone else you knew, acted like that at 16? Well by-golly I just don’t know anything about the world anymore?!?!

[@thedorkettereads6052]

@@shannonwatson5769 It does not take that much brain power to think "hey maybe we shouldn't release a known murderer AND a war criminal on the same night."

[@yulana990]

This show was just so ridiculous in a billion ways. They changed Musa's ethnicity, they white washed Flora (there is evidence of the original script using Flora in it, so they clearly just added flora as a family member of Terra to not get backlash), they turned Aisha into ANOTHER generic black side kick and even VILLAINIZED HER for being SMART?, turned Bloom into even MORE of a brat who constantly belittles others ESPECIALLY Aisha, and Stella got turned into a generic blonde bully who only dresses the way she does because it's forced upon her by society. And tecna is dead. It was honestly so tiring to see how everyone turned into such a generic trope. They even turned Bloom and Stella into love rivals?! Stella was also the one who was blooms closest friend trying to help her out in the actual winx, but they used Aisha for that in this show and turned her into another character used only for Bloom getting rid of everything that Aisha was in the original winx. I also know how some people were excited for Terra as she is plussize, but they turned her into another plussize girl who has anxiety and belittles herself constantly and at some point was even begging people to belittle her clothing style when Stella wasn't there?! Then we also find out bloom and her mom have an awful relationship, and so does Stella with her mom, both of which never happened, but okay. But then we find out bloom almost killed her mother because of their bad relationship?! and then she was just the most entitled brat ever imaginable and never got likable. It's also hilarious to me that they turned the trix into ''Beatrix'', yet Beatrix was portrayed as less of a bitch then Stella to me. I kept asking my friend who the hell is supposed to be the evil person here, because Beatrix her impact imo wasn't that great in the show AT ALL. Also, like you said, Bloom suddenly being able to do a half transformation without ever even having learned how to control her power was just ridiculous. It also wasn't even a transformation, and was very badly done. Like I told my friend, if they wanted a show based off of winx club, but change everyone's personality, white wash some people, remove others, using generic tropes and even change the setting of the world with things like ''transformations are ancient magic'' or whatever, they could've easily done that and just NOT called it winx club. Why not say its a continuation of the winx world? Thousands of years later, which would also give them all the freedom they need. But no, they wanted the hype of the brand Winx Club and turned it into the opposite of the original winx. I have heard some people say that the show is good if you just forget that its based on winx, but even then the show imo is not good at all because it's just a billion tropes thrown together in the worst way. Stella suddenly became a good person, when she never had proper character growth. Bloom never was likable even though she's the main character. Aisha was likable and smart but then got villainized and was just a prop to bloom. Musa was decent but didn't have that much screentime or effect on much and Terra was another plussize shy girl who hates herself and begs for people to belittle her. All whilst combined with Stella and bloom being love rivals, abusive households, bad relationship with parents and over sexualizing 16y old teens whilst not allowing them to wear actual nice clothes like every teen show on netflix. It has enough problematic elements even without the association with the original winx, and if you add that association which people should because that's what the show writers decided to do, it's just horrible.

[@katt1206]

This is exactly the review the show creators need to see

[@alanaadornato5596]

Didn't Netflix try to do this to Avatar the Last Airbender as well?

[@BratzRockAngels]

@@alanaadornato5596 Yes, even the original creators of Avatar The Last Airbender left because Netflix was changing too many things and messing things up.

[@Renni_Jay]

I don't think they were smart enough to turn Flora into Tera to avoid backlash, cause they would have done something similar to Musa too, to avoid backlash. The might want Flora to be a season two thing cause she's popular, but I don't think it was to avoid backlash

[@headintheclouds7905]

@@Renni_Jay well, I've seen (not very reliable) "proof" that Terra was originally casted as Flora, I guess they wanted to add body diversity (it seems overweight latinas don't exist now) and maybe they thought that people wouldn't notice as much with Musa (even making the actresses eyeliner hella long, I guess to make her eyes more "chinese-like") it's all just a mess

[@cordeliajackson8615]

I don’t get why they didn’t keep the bright colors and themes of friendship. That’s what like... most people loved about the original. You can make a deep show with bright colors and cute aesthetics. Anyway, the original show was a lot better and this shit is just bland.

[@star22sally67]

Because that's for kids and they want to make it DARK and EDGY because all teens and young adults want to watch depressing dark shit with no enjoyment just like what they experience on a day to day basis. You know...ReLaTaBlE 🙄 *Sigh*

[@Bloodedskull19]

It's because the creator of the live adaption said that real girls don't look like/wear outfits like that. It's stupid he took away the Winx main aesthetic because he's never seen any 'real girls' wear flashy outfits apparently. And it's not 'mature' unless you put a dark gritty filter over it, how else will people know it's not for kids!

[@sweetytweety1671]

@@Bloodedskull19 did he say real girls?! Wtf they're fairies!!! What's real about that?! They just didn't want to bother dressing them nicely

[@NekoAiray]

@@Bloodedskull19 In a show about magic dude really went "no one wears flashy outfits in real life"?!

[@Bloodedskull19]

​@@sweetytweety1671 Yes, he actually said that. His quote was: “Nobody looks like that. It was the most important thing to me that every kid can feel like they see themselves in it … Real girls, real people.”

[@helenalillemetsedman6717]

What I don't get is why there are literally just three teachers running the entire school, one of whom is also the principal. I just picture them RUNNING from class to class trying to squeeze in atleast one educational session for each student every day, while hundreds of students wander around aimlessly not knowing what to do when their one hour school day is over.

[@JenniferRamirez-fd6sb]

This made me laugh cause that was also in the original series 🤣 and I also had that same question of how they run the whole school lol

[@bellota_miau]

I know, I hope that one of Rosalind's changes now she is in charge of the school is hiring teachers, specially since she has just one XD although back in the day she had an army of four people too.

[@myriadth9823]

The series actually had more teachers 🤔 Griselda taught self defense and other stuff to the 2nd years, Paladium that elf guy taught different classes in different years and ran the simulator tests, the guy that could shift into animals also taught a bunch of classes. In season 2 there was Avalon teaching other random stuff like magical philosophy or whatever, and as far as I remember Faragonda was only present on test/exam days. So they actually had more teachers than this lmao

[@myriadth9823]

However, the witches only had 3 teachers, Miss Griffin the headwitchstress and the two Russian-accent ladies.

[@JenniferRamirez-fd6sb]

@@myriadth9823 ooh okay, I've only seen the series when I was a kid and only vividly remember the first season. I'm rewatching it and im half way in the first lol

[@meis18mofo77]

The show is like someone who never watched Winx, hates everything Girly and has only read the first paragraph on its wikipedia page trying to recreate it with the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and the bad Legend of Aang lifeaction movie as a blueprint. At least it got me into rewatching the original show here on KZbin but I'll skip out on watching any more of this garbage.

[@theab3957]

I mean yeah

[@RaetheSaint]

Netflix has that habit of making sure the only Black female character has no story arc and I have to respect their consistency

[@donb7519]

the only time netflix thinks black female characters should have agency is when they were white in the source material like triss from witcher and hell the original casting call for ciri called for a young black actress too

[@joshsny143]

You should check out Dear White People. Pretty good show on Netflix. Unfortunately not a lot of others I can think of

[@NAME-yg8sl]

I was so desperate for Aisha's storyline I started thinking of nonsensical theory for why her powers aren't working that would start her arc. Then turns out only 2 episodes were left.

[@donb7519]

@@NAME-yg8sl it makes no sense that the show only had 6 episodes

[@aaamazing9888]

@@NAME-yg8sl same, I’m so desperate for a character arc that I’m imagining they might even let her discover her morphix powers ( from the original) in season 2, as a branch from her basic water powers 😭.

[@TessuDraws]

As someone who watched Winx as a kid... Why is this series Winx? There's no reason for it. The two shows barely have anything in common. It could've been a completely original series. But then how would they make any money if not with nostalgia??? I'm also so tired of "for more mature audience" meaning "no color, everyone's and edgy, depressed asshole and can't forget about all the sex and drugs!" Adult shows can be so unimaginative, overly complicated and dull to look at.

[@TehMomo_]

like...they could make a fae show...and it not be winx club...

[@gabriellebrown3594]

They could’ve just made something original and not name it Winx It’s a problem as they are not similar. They only ruining ppls childhood. Can’t believe they actually believe they did sumn...oh my gosh

[@saloosh777]

If they really wanted adults to watch it and give them nostalgia, they should’ve made it how it is - colorful, sparkly, fashionable and cute. Not only that, but it’ll even rope in kids and teens because it would be family friendly.

[@TessuDraws]

@@saloosh777 Right?! I hate how adults can never have colorful and sparkly! We like those things, too!

[@Gaburierairuze]

Yeah, they say "for a more mature audience" but it's just petty "teenage" drama like even i can tell real teens don't act like this and I'm 24

[@joiceraiana]

They say it's for young adults, but let's be honest, this show is for 14ish kids who think they are mature enough to watch "young adults" content. I hardly believe people over 20 thinks anything in that show it's relatable. Just like Riverdale and the bad version of Sabrina.

[@RLSEI]

im 22 and i loved winx club as a kid and i actually kinda loved this adaptation. its not perfect obviously, but i enjoyed it.

[@joiceraiana]

@@RLSEI for me felt forced, try hard as sabrina's new version was. Way to eager to be taken serious to actually work.

[@the_devil4676]

@@RLSEI why would you love an in name only adaptation that’s nothing but disrespectful to the original show? fate can barely claim to be inspired by winx and should’ve just been it’s own thing not attracted to anything and especially not winx

[@unlimon6382]

@@the_devil4676 I saw winx as a kid and I am a teenager now, and I don't know about USA but in my country this is not relatable at all, this is what we thought puberty was in primary school with the bad Dracula film filter. I honestly don't get it, I want funky and por from smt funky and pop, and obscurity and darkness from something obscure and dark, this was a weird frankenstein of worn out tropes that only reminds me that no actual adults understand people my age with a cheap ass terror film filter as a topping. And honestly the ppl in my class that saw winx as kids feel that way as well. Hell the characters didn't even look like they are supposed to and the aesthetics were not appealing. The only reason to do this is to cling into the nostalgia but it doesn't even work since the characters and the world and everything doesn't feel like they are what they are supposed to be or what they were.

[@louevans1914]

RLSEI I really like it too, you’re not alone

[@c--mn4ub]

One of the things that confuses me about this show is who it's aimed for. The show is completely different from the original. They removed characters, locations, arcs, etc and added in unnecessary elements. They insist this is for older fans of the show, yet they don't understand why we like the original show in the first place. It honestly would do much better if it's marketed towards another audience.

[@Dred0n]

That's the thing they think that we love the show because it was full of clouds and sparkles, the transformation, it was girly and a fairytail dream come true for us. But it was the friendship, the adventure, overcome challenges, team work, love others for who they are no matter how different they are, the diversity, the fashion, etc that made winx club so interesting.

[@gabriellebrown3594]

Rightttt How is this for us, older fans when we didn’t even want a change. There’s a reason we fell in love with the show how it was. I get the premise of how the change could’ve appealed nicely to us but it didn’t work.

[@SammyP038]

Yess exactly! Like I’m not going to lie this wouldn’t be a horrible stand alone series for people who are into series such as Lucifer, the immortal instruments, etc. Better CGI, wardrobe, and a little work on the acting would make this a cool series with an interesting plot (reminds me a little of resident evil). HOWEVER, as a adaptation it’s fucking terrible. Nothing about this reminds me of the WINX. The WINX was amazing due to its whimsical nature. They could’ve easily did an aesthetic some what similar to euphoria (though I’d prefer they went all out with Yk2 style, fairy lights etc) it would’ve reigned more true to WINX.

[@ma_kenz]

“It just reminded me of those kids who wanted to pretend that they were smarter and more productive than other people so they would just write all of these pointless notes with a color-coded system.” Don’t come for me like that 😂

[@AmandaTheJedi]

I always tried to be organized like that at the beginning of the year but I'm just too stupid for color coordinated notes

[@Skulltar69]

I'm sure this was joking, but i don't think anyone think's your stupid Amanda. Cept trolls... but screw them.

[@Alexis_Nemesis189]

I use color coded notes but that’s just because the colors actually help

[@megv7481]

@@Alexis_Nemesis189 me too! makes revision ten times easier because I know where everything is.

[@TuesdaysArt]

I put too much of my skill points in note-taking instead of study skills and I don't even take nice notes ever since I went completely online. 😬

[@isabel9744]

They just removed Brandon from the whole storyline and made Stella and Bloom “compete” over Sky as if that’s the only character arc girls have instead of sticking together and not letting a man come in between them.

[@Game_Erica]

This!! It sucks because Stella and Brandon had such a healty relationship too. One thing I remember from the comics was that,,, long story short: Brandon was kidnapped and someone was acting as him, and Stella figured out it wasn't him by kissing him. It's dumb, yes, but I think it shows how close they really were. But this show took Brandon out and their healthy relationship to put girls against each other over a guy,,,

[@apricot7488]

And those FASHION CHOICES!??! Colorful and unique desings were a significant part of the original show. And now that y2k fashion is super popular again, why not use it??

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Everything was so...drab. So lifeless in color. It made me feel more bored as I watched.

[@shisurvives2635]

Honestly the show was created by a fashion designer....idk what they were thinking with this, stella would never allow this wardrobe

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@shisurvives2635 To paraphrase a short-sighted person; color is for children. So you can thank that mindset for why a lot of adult or 'mature' movies look like they've been splashed with grey or beige.

[@penelopeblvd]

quick answer.. the costume designer choice. the producers picked a designer who is known for shows like desperate housewives and the man in high castle which are for an older audience with more mature characters.. therefore she dressed them how she (also an older white woman) assumes teenagers dress. They should've picked a younger designer or at least one who is used to working with teen characters like Mandi Line (Pretty Little Liars, 90210, The Clique) or Samantha Rattner (DUFF, Runaways & Carrie Diaries)

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@@penelopeblvd You have NO idea how loud I rage screamed at this.

[@miizmi3660]

It's frustrating to see even more whitewashing of Asian characters that I grew up with, and doing that whole edging up kid's shows for a teenage audience thing is really tiring at this point 😒

[@Miizmi123]

Ikr! Some of us adults would like reboots that sticks to the core message of our fav shows 😂

[@AppleLovely]

the reboot was meant for people that grew up with the animated series aka 20-smth.. As a 20-smth that still loves (first four seasons of) winx... This reboot shit's for teens and tweens ..so like 15/16 to 18. Not that there's anything wrong with liking something obv. But demographically I'd say, I'm at least vaguely right

[@TeaTea777]

@@AppleLovely Im 16 grew up with winx and I hate this. Its like riverdale 2 and I didnt even like riverdale in the first place. Im okay with it but not every show has to be like riverdale ESPECIALLY winx.

[@kittyrosefaerie7464]

And the teenagers don't even want them either

[@NoName-dx1no]

@@AppleLovely I hate this reboot and I’m 17, I hate the clothes so much why are they dressed like middle school teachers, actually even worse. Directors and producers are literally having a not like other girls phase of their own making bright and fun shows for kids to dark, angsty with sex and all that to “add a unique twist”. Like goddamnit stop riverdaling everything

[@witchplease9695]

I just know they’re going to make Aisha a Bonnie. Except never give her a love interest because Black women are supposed to be strong and alone all the time in the eyes of Hollywood. I hate this show so much

[@chungleandthebims167]

Don't get me started on Bonnie

[@NAME-yg8sl]

I was praying that her powers would be malfunctioning because she an bloom are opposites. No matter how stupid it was, I wanted some story for her.

[@cloudyheart5148]

I wanna see her and nabu get together or another guy who dosent die!

[@unlimon6382]

Even when her romance was the most developed and sweet in my opinion

[@banahisayas4832]

Pls I’m still not over Bonnie’s ending 🙄🤚🏾

[@infinity3l181]

The worst part is that they got rid of Daphné. Bloom's sister. She provided so much emotional support for her. It is horrible how they got rid of that character.

[@mediha723]

Maybe she will be introduced in the later seasons, who knows 🤷

[@janecklyn]

@@mediha723 is it even a good idea? Considering how they butchered everyone's characters

[@PrincesSakura]

Daphné appeared at fifth season of the Winx club. She's not suppose to be dear that early

[@infinity3l181]

@@PrincesSakura she appeared from the first season but she was realesed from her cursed state in the fifth season. She was the one who saved bloom from the evil three witches and send her to earth.

[@alexandersmith4731]

@@PrincesSakura No, she's the only connection Bloom had to her original family and Domino, through Daphne is how Bloom discovered her past and how she came to earth since season 1, before season 5 came to be, Daphne has always been permanently dead but lives as a spirit to guide Bloom

[@nonaveragefangirl]

they had one (1) plus sized character and didn't even seem to put any effort into dressing her in flattering clothes. these stylists need to remember that 'big dress with leggings' isnt the only thing plus size women wear

[@elsandstorm8997]

Her character wasn't fashion diva, she didn't make friends that easy and mostly stayed around her family until her Winx friends helped to dress her up.

[@nonaveragefangirl]

@@elsandstorm8997 you don’t have to be a fashion diva to have clothes that suit your body type. And why did the creators do this with the ONLY plus sized character? Why did the stylist dress the ONLY plus sized character in clothes that didn’t fit well? I’m sick and tired of plus sized girls being the frumpy character until their skinny friends dress them up.

[@mapleseerope9381]

@@nonaveragefangirl say it louder please so these dumbass studios will finally listen. This shit is disrespectful as fuck. Flora was a stunning fashion goddess just like the other winx girls. Terra deserves to have to same level of care and attention smfh

[@Dred0n]

@@elsandstorm8997 and how did this come in with what she said do you even think before you type foolish things in the comment section. And if you watch the series she did meet friends easily like Dane, aisha and musa.

[@NovaKnight_]

@@elsandstorm8997 Do we need another 'I'm fat, ostracized and lonely' trope for big girls? They tossed her in as representation to get a pat on the back and ruined it. She could've been plus-sized and still be a confident character who's identity doesn't revolve around how 'big and lonely' she is.

[@tai_cha8495]

Let's be honest this would have been better if the show was just called "Fate" leaving the Winx part out of it🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️

[@alexmason1604]

Fate anime fans would be VEEERY confused as to why there are no servants in the entire show lmfao.

[@najibzubir7699]

@@alexmason1604 And quite angry too

[@alexmason1604]

@@najibzubir7699 with it being Americanized to hell and back, you bet your ass they're gonna be pissed.

[@calhuh1232]

Agreed

[@hibikuokudan]

As a Fate anime fan, the name sounds like a Fate/Winx crossover fanfiction, but this show has none of the charm of such a crossover

[@mergesviz]

As a teenager (16, American) this doesn’t appeal to me at all. I watched some of the original Winx Club when I was little and I really liked it! And I’m a dude! So when I heard the sentence “weird marijuana threesome” and the near sex scenes I was like “whatith the fuckith”. Teens still need shows that focus on friendship and tackles those sorts of relationships with nuance. All of these dark and edgy shit storms are repetitive, and while many of us are into darker topics (myself included; I’m writing a book that deals with teen drug abuse and trauma), I’m not doing it to be edgy. You can tell the difference in a work of media. One is being up points, the other is to be flashy (maybe don’t normalize heavy drug abuse and isolation???). I don’t particularly enjoy being pandered to. It feels like these shows are trying to be peacocks in angsty eyeliner. This is just my lukewarm take.

[@punkithecat]

yeaah, and about the weird threesome thing is so damn weird, especially bc of the Bisexual character, like wtf? Like that's one the stigmas they have against bisexual people and they seriously had to portray the character like that??

[@asheniza1168]

Exactly! Literally not the way to go

[@mergesviz]

@@punkithecat exactly! I'm bisexual myself and it just feels so... gross and disingenuous. Like can we *not*

[@starflash9235]

Why is that all the girls are not even friends two of them fought over a boy that wasn't even that important to the plot or development to their character this to me looks like a dark,black,plain plot in the original it was sparkles,Fashion,friendship and WHOLESOME relationships and romance characters but this was not that for goodness sakes why was the character dane and sam in here for the plot is it?dane was just a common boy being persuade to do drugs and smoke like a typical dumb teenager and Sam was just a convenient boyfriend who so happens to not have anxious emotions and developed a relationship with musa waaay too quickly

[@mergesviz]

@@starflash9235 god, yes. I hate the trope of girls fighting over some dumbass boy that clearly isn't worth their time.

[@Onesmartcookie78429]

this show is an insult to fanfiction, tbh

[@cityman2312]

Actually, fanfiction can get really bad. Look up My Immortal or Fun With Potions (both Harry Potter fanfictions).

[@Onesmartcookie78429]

@@cityman2312 trust me, I've read both lol

[@Jas13579]

There is decent fanfic and this is just a steaming pile of shittttt

[@xxyzxxyz690]

@@cityman2312 you take that back, My Immortal is an absolute masterpiece

[@luuuuux_]

Guys, guys what about Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles. Now that’s a hell of a ride

[@madamefluffy4788]

I never got why shows like Riverdale and The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina couldn't stick with the plot of the comics they were based around (the comics were actually really well written - and very dark, in Sabrina's case). Turing them into braindead soap operas garbage just ruined whatever potential they may have had.

[@headintheclouds7905]

EXACTLY, like, if they had a very vague, poorly-written base material it would be slightly forgivable, but all of the original material was for the most part, amazing. How can you do so wrong when you have everything layed out in front of you?

[@nataliaalmeida-nacillustra5954]

and they actually started out so well...

[@zerdaquil1304]

*RIGHT?? They could’ve just done an adaptation of Afterlife with Archie or (to provide some sort of explanation for all the weird shiz happening in the town cuz it deals with the Archie comics multiverse) Archie: The Married Life.*

[@anniehoward7333]

I’m honestly tired of gritty remakes/reboots from material that wasn’t like that in the first place specially when they take characters and drastically change them from friends to “why are these suppose friends talking to each other if they hate each other?” or make a character who was once kind and supportive into a nasty person. Also why is all color removed from the show, what’s wrong with bright colors? It’s just disappointing to say this is a live action winx club when it isn’t truly that.

[@danielasarmiento3101]

Same , especially with superhero shows, I freaking hate what they did to Superman and the teen titans, the only thing I'm glad for is that they listened to the fans and made Doom patrol color and wacky while keeping the mature themes

[@evacody1249]

It's the Batman effect. Batman can be gritty because it's well Batman. But they all want to be the next Dark Knight because reasons.

[@D3niz3n]

The story just isnt winx at all? Excluding the whitewashing and cast issues, the plot doesnt match up either. The two schools are combined, bloom's a changeling, how she ended up finding out she was a fairy is completely different, burned ones, the headmistress dying at the end-none of it feels like winx. Whats the point in remaking something in liveaction if it doesnt even resemble the original story?

[@NoName-dx1no]

This has to be wins from a very very very very dark alternate universe

[@daniellegroves4830]

@@NoName-dx1no I think it feels like "We can be dramatic and surprising like game of thrones too!" thing, just constant left turns and unsurprising surprises. You can keep the story line and make it darker just word it differently. A group of magical friends are being hunted by teen homicidal cult witches trying to use a mysterious power to creat a necromancer army. Just say they need to kill Bloom to get the power or something instead of stealing it.

[@danielasarmiento3101]

@@daniellegroves4830 dude you put more effort into the story than the people writing this.

[@lrose1310]

@@danielasarmiento3101 I mean, that is literally the first season of the cartoon lol

[@D3niz3n]

@@lrose1310 yeah lol, it really is

[@gabriellelala5383]

Summary: Overall, this series would probably be a lot less upsetting if they just used new characters and didn't try to represent the original ones at all. We (those who grew up with the original) all just want nostalgia, we want cute 2000s outfits and glitter, the magic of friendship, *_SWEETHEART HUNK SKY_*. I don't want to see a show I loved become so dark, so unrecognizable, and I feel that others agree. This show hurts worse because they mangled lovable characters from our childhood. Discussion: I seriously can't finish this video, it is upsetting me and _ALL_ the homegirls. Not only did they decide to do the typical "make this super dark for no reason" thing Netflix likes to do, it messed up *SO* much. You're right, this is like a Winx fanfic. Except it's written by guys who wanted to make a "I'm not like other girls" Bloom. I would've liked it better had they made a new set of characters that weren't the Winx. Maybe kids of the Winx, a different group, whatever, just not the originals, half of which aren't represented. Musa, a "mind fairy"? Why didn't they just keep her with music, and they didn't even make her Asian! They should've just made her someone else, not Musa, that's _not_ Musa. Aisha's become the token black character, I see. Not like she was a fun, vibrant princess who loved anything athletic and was always friendly and loved, I guess that was in my imagination. Terra.....Terra....so they did do the "make a new character" thing, and that would've been fine had they not made her an "earth fairy", so similar to her "cousin" Flora, and...WHITE! They removed a beloved character of the series to replace her with less representation. They could've just cut her tie to Flora completely and made her Latina, like Flora, since she's a replacement. Stella's now the token bitchy rich white girl, which I hate so much. Stella wasn't like that at all, she _was_ spoiled, and _was_ a princessey type girl, because she's a princess, but she was really sweet too. She wouldn't fight over Bloom for Sky, she'd fit her in the best clothes and makeup to help her get him. Techna....sis is dead, they murked her and she was for the nerds, RIP, we lost a good one. Bloom, she's a y/n. A "I wake up in the afternoon in a sweatshirt and sweatpants, lace up my Converse, wear my jeans and plain shirt, because I'm not like other girls" y/n. They piled on the teen angst with her, when Bloom was a really nice character, she loved her parents (her parents were so supportive, too), regardless of being adopted and _SHE WAS BEST FRIENDS WITH STELLA_. They really should've made this character not Bloom, they should've made all of them not our Winx. Don't even get me started on the Specialists. Sky was one of my first cartoon crushes, and he was such a sweetheart. A surfer guy! A hunk with a heart of gold! He would never be....whatever he is now. Do they even _HAVE_ Brandon? The best part of Winx Club was them switching Sky with Brandon, where Stella and Bloom fell in love with their respective guys under false identities. Riven....idk, I actually don't remember too much about Riven, but he was the king of toxicity, so maybe these dumbos got that one right.

[@nikdozajimavy1277]

Riven was a jerk, but a different kind of jerk, I would say. In the original, his toxicity came from his "everything has to be my way" attitude and his tendency to reject other peoples help and unnecessarily getting into risky situations (to look like a hero I guess?). So while they did get the toxicity part right, they made him toxic for entirely different reasons than they should have. Also they left out his "redemption arc" (idk any better term).

[@gabriellelala5383]

@@nikdozajimavy1277 Thank you! I had really forgotten for what reasons Riven was toxic, but I just remembered that he was like that in the show.

[@theab3957]

This "remake" is an absolute dumpster fire that spits on everything to do with the original.

[@fynnsternis6432]

The "Lady of the fly, don't be sexist" line hurt me in my core

[@jaquelinesantos6941]

It was the "mansplaining" to me :(

[@mksabourinable]

Honestly there are way too many lines like that in there

[@luishp3]

That line alone is a good enough reason to never watch this show.

[@amydeath]

I don't really understand that line, i've never heard that expression before, but it made me cringe anyway

[@fynnsternis6432]

@@amydeath If you mean the "Lady of the flies" line, Lord of the Flies is a classic novel about a bunch of boys getting stranded on an island and at the end they go crazy and I think one to three people get murdered. It's read in a lot of American schools, I think.

[@distressed_dino5017]

Next they're gonna ruin Totally Spies aren't they.

[@fuunosenshi]

And make them darker. And let's throw in some magic and zombies even when none of that makes sense. Ah, and they dress in black like all the time. Clover is not a fashionista, because patriarchal stereotypes bad.

[@captv334]

@@fuunosenshi also they hate eachother bc they all like the same boy

[@Lou-dj7ce]

DON'T JINX IT. PLEASE I love Totally Spies

[@meatabogan2871]

@@fuunosenshi Oh dear god

[@mikomiyuki1310]

Rip Totally Spies

[@Angryoyster]

Blooms earth parents in the og were legit the best people on earth. That family had so much love and such a strong bond. I will never forgive netflix for changing that.

[@danielacruz1881]

Where the hell is Brandon?? Stella actual boyfriend... God I'm just gonna re-watch Queen's Gambit

[@AndromedaMoon888]

what a mood

[@johannesseyfried7933]

At first I thought they were tricking us and "Sky" was just Brandon in disguise, like in the old Show.

[@smitra5901]

Half of specialists died with Techna and Flora. 🙃

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@smitra5901 They were wiped out by Lord Darkar's Curse. And the Trix got fused together somehow. As did Red Fountain, Alfea and Cloud Tower, when Reality collapsed and was reborn as the Fate-Universe.

[@smitra5901]

@@johannesseyfried7933 perhaps Thanos used reality stone in that universe and altered all the geographical position of the schools. And wiped out half the characters. Also changed Musa's race too. 😃

[@Sabrina-sc1db]

I loved the Winx, I don't think I can endure watching the Netflix show

[@Sabrina-sc1db]

@Wanderlust Introvert it's sad, because it could have been really good if the producers cared about the original show

[@silver6640]

Me too. I only like the 4Kids seasons. Don't hate me that.

[@appleholo2707]

I watched the entire season of Fate: The Winx Saga & it's absolute garbage. I loved the character development in The Winx Club. If they reanimated to have better graphics than 360, that would be great. It was a great show. This is another instance of Netflix proving it's really good at ruining good shows.

[@thornlings]

They really blew past "oh my God the baby we gave birth to died and while we love our adopted daughter, we still need to grieve our other child" pretty damn fast.

[@rkah6187]

and the whole "oh so it wasn't a freak accident, my daughter did try to murder me that one time" as well

[@MissKashira]

@@rkah6187 Yeah, she recovered super fast from someone who was covered in burns because a homicidal being they replaced her real baby with tried to kill her. Those parents recovered in like five minutes. The mom was just happy she has friends now. Who cares if she's a fairy that might try to murder her whenever they have an argument.

[@literaturmurks]

'Nothing will top Edward Cullen looking up "Vampire Babies"'. God, I love Amanda.

[@1Skigutt]

So you're saying that the asian and latina were replaced with white girls, and the black girl gets neglected? I wonder why...

[@denizkaragullu6239]

Don't forget that the STEM girl got removed too!

[@aim-to-misbehave5674]

Flashback to Jenny Nicholson's "Oh, look, I've found my racism post-it!" Oh, CW producers.

[@melonphi7111]

ikr its sad

[@TheREALSimagination]

With that particular combination, I actually can't tell why.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

NETFLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIX!

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

If they even blink in the direction of a Live Action Danny Phantom, I'm going on a murderous rampage.

[@FiddlebirdBlue]

Oh god I hadn't even thought of that, why would you put that fear in my head??

[@gwengrasso1887]

SHHH!!! Netflix will hear you!

[@warlockboy3864]

Isn't Netflix going for a live action Avatar: The Last Airbender?

[@nyctophile6590]

Same sis 🤝🏻

[@CapucineNighly]

Don't give shitflix ideas... They have none.

[@WardNightstone]

the removed one of the Winx entirely (Techna the fairy of technology) whitewashed 2 others (Musa and Flora Asian and Hispanic respectively) one of whom they changed the name of (Flora was changed to Terra) brought in a character that didn't appr on the cartoon till season 3 (Asisha) blooms hair isn't flame red (literally an aspect of her powers was that it made her hair flame like)

[@peachcherryblossom_8264]

I personally don't mind them bringing Aisha in earlier but they really underutilized her character and made her be the mom of the group to 4 white/white passing girls smh.

[@WolfQueenLydia]

Terra actually said that she's the cousin of Flora. So not so much changing the name just the character entirely with a made up OC.

[@peachcherryblossom_8264]

@@WolfQueenLydia On the actress's casting page, you'll see that she was originally listed as Flora so while she is still included in the series, it doesn't change the fact that the role was completely overtaken by a white actress.

[@fuunosenshi]

@@peachcherryblossom_8264 you're forgetting she's plus sized because "inclusion". No hate on the actress, but they could have cast a Latin American plus sized actress.

[@metawolf987]

I mean, Bloom's actress is still a redhead (I think), so that is something. She may or may not be a natural redhead. On one hand, if she had to dye her hair, she could have just dyed it fiery red. On the other hand, Sophie Turner was a blonde playing a redhead on Game Of Thrones, so it could be either way.

[@NairAthul]

As a guy, I'm offended that shows like this go all out to recast the unattainably hot female characters as "body diverse" and racial diverse, but then the male characters are all tall, predominantly white, muscular Adonises. Why not have a chunky, Hispanic male lead play the original blonde character? Or is body positivity only for girls?

[@frogradar]

Body Positivity is only for girls, yes. Also, the men are hot because when the "body diverse" females get the man, it's a win for girls that "look like them" because they deem themselves ugly,unnatractive, fat, frumpty, whatever but they've just won this hot stunning dashing snack of a man because he's different.

[@asheniza1168]

@@frogradar but can body positivity be for men too? Genuine question

[@jazzphotos]

@@asheniza1168 It absolutely should be. Just some industries are HELLA resistant to change.

[@Saphusil]

@@asheniza1168 yes, absolutely, 100. And feminism is just as beneficial for men, too.

[@CristalianaIvor]

I think body positivity is only seen as this thing that's predominantly for women because women are generally more objectified in the media. But ofc it should be for men too. Absolutely!

[@madisongracemusic]

“Girl with a mysterious past who has more power than everyone around her and can’t control it and does basically nothing to learn to control it before she releases her god like power with no issues” is EXACTLY how I felt about Rey from the new sequels.

[@sapphic.flower]

gen Z don't want romance drama and edginess, we want pretty colours, campy fun and diversity

[@peachcherryblossom_8264]

Facts. Our lives are already like a toned down edgy drama so why would we want to watch the same thing?

[@luuuuux_]

Exactly! I’d rather have something that’s so colorful and diverse than having something “dark” and “edgy”. Literally no one wants that.

[@sapphic.flower]

@@peachcherryblossom_8264 right, I wanna escape from depressing reality and watch glittery fairies damnit

[@LadyMisalein]

And glitter....dont forget the glitter

[@WeatherReportsHat]

YES! I love animation because it seems all modern live action shows go for the overly dark and gritty teen romance nowadays.

[@OneTopic]

We were *just* chatting about this!! Stoked to see your take!

[@ultomatosouper2194]

Hi OT! I didn't know you liked Winx xD

[@saorise28]

A wild OT has been spotted!

[@zoonisayed4546]

Ot!!!

[@zebunnahar767]

Didn't think I would find you here Ot😅

[@RNGesus-il6lv]

wait where click?

[@Matthew-gl6ni]

The only LGBTQ character was a gay baited character that they literally comment about 1,000 times, but never confirm he is gay or bi and they can still just pull a destiel and call him straight in season 2 tbh. so I see NO LGBTQ characters so......

[@nosagiegbonigiede3184]

THANK U NO ONE EVERY MENTIONED HOW THEY BAITED US

[@trashwithanxiety2922]

the poor guy's gonna be sent to the super omega portal, big rip

[@Hiii5436]

And had a so called terrible love interest who forced him to drink, was homophobic, manipulate him to fat shame and criticize terra and mostly made a bad person out of The character and were supposed to ship them🙈

[@cloudyheart5148]

Nah he def ain't straight he admits to liking riven or finding him attractive

[@Matthew-gl6ni]

@@cloudyheart5148 He never actually admits it. Just that he's a handsome guy.

[@lilil9752]

The saddest was Aisha, she didn't debut until season 2 in the original cartoon but she had a big role and arc half season after her introduction ,while in this she is just left in the sides

[@Dred0n]

The needed a poc in there because they whitewash 2 poc already so with aisha we would forget what they did🙄

[@lilil9752]

​@@Dred0n i know, i did liked her being in season 1 but i didn't liked what they did to her and having her being the only poc in the main group (aka a token)

[@Dred0n]

@@lilil9752 exactly they need more diversity in the group they can take out terra add in flora, and atleast make tecba Asian because they already whitewash musa that's the only way they can make it more diverse.

[@firewolfandrewb]

Cuz this is written by the same hack who wrote The Vampire Diaries. Y'know, the series that kept its only black character as far in the background as possible while never letting her get any of the same romance as the other characters.

[@frogradar]

This COULD actually be a reason for the weirdness on her character. Aisha's introduction was HER series for the most part. Getting her developed with the cast. For this show however it's just all Bloom but they "NEEDED" a black character so they threw Aisha in EARLY.

[@BellaRDSK]

I managed to get 18 minutes into the first episode before the cringe became too much to bear. The Winx Club was my childhood and Flora was my favorite, this adaption feels borderline insulting and I sincerely hope they don't get renewed for another season - where they'll likely try to patch in things to fix their problems retroactively, like throwing a latina woman at the screen to show us "here's flora, see we didnt whitewash her"

[@annelien24]

It was sadly alredy renewed before it came out

[@sophiesometimessews]

Flora was also my favorite!

[@audrajurgela2985]

What is even more sad about Tera is that in early versions of the script she was Flora. So they can’t even claim that they didn’t white her because they were going to before they realized people would be p*ssed.

[@BellaRDSK]

@@audrajurgela2985 yikes I didn't even know that, that's even worse

[@Dred0n]

@@BellaRDSK yep they were even some recordings of it too where somebody called her flora but I hope that flora doesn't just show up and then she's gone she should be in the group for good plus she should be a brown latina and not whitewash.

[@jaywoods3889]

Remember how in the actual series Bloom found out that she was adopted and felt like she wouldnt be her parents' daughter now and her parents were super understanding and we never had that annoying "youre not my REAL parents" moment? And when she learnt about her birth parents and found them they and her adoptive parents were very kind to eachother altho a bit awkward? in the movie they even have a scene where adoptive parents show her birth parents videos of Bloom growing up and now Bloom just has two pairs of parents she loves both equally and its very adorable and strangely mature for a kids show about fairies. But Netflix was like NAH bish they have to hate eachother cuz shes not their real kid

[@alexemy221]

Did... did this show just play Devil’s advocate for genocide? “It’s fine to wipe out entire cities as long as they’re full of evil people”? Wtf...

[@adapienkowska2605]

Yes. What's more Bloom freed a women she suspected of killing her parents because she wants answers.

[@WeatherReportsHat]

I know smh. It's like they took Eren's PoV in AoT and just completely ruined it.

[@danielasarmiento3101]

@@WeatherReportsHat Congrats netflix ! You ripped off AOT and made completely shat on it

[@WeatherReportsHat]

@@danielasarmiento3101 YEP!

[@sylviapuppysticker8664]

If you even believe that Rosalind is telling the truth then yeah maybe... but since she let 6 burned ones through the magic barrier to "test" the protags power... uh yeah I don't think she was telling the truth about them (the entire city) being blood witches...

[@originalkingdomhearts]

Okay no, Alfia is not on Solaria, that is where Stella lives, Alfia is on Magix, WTF writers?

[@nyxyyy_8931]

Let’s not forget that Alfia is basically on earth and they only have a flimsy barrier, when in the original it was a whole different dimension/planet.

[@Madelsamzocken]

@@nyxyyy_8931 alfea wasn't on the earth?

[@frogradar]

@@Madelsamzocken in the remake.

[@Madelsamzocken]

@@frogradar oh okay sorry

[@milkhoney3620]

@@nyxyyy_8931 No, that's not true either. In the remake, Stella's ring creates a portal back to Earth. It isn't on Earth.

[@bayleaf7138]

I'm so sad they got rid of Stella's love interest. They (from what I remember) had a really good relationship and yeah, she was a princess and rich, but she still cared about everyone and had good plot points

[@crazysmith5408]

The girl cast as Terra was originally cast as Flora, her name was change though and that line was thrown in to make it seem like they weren't whitewashing Flora.

[@ImmortalBroken]

That makes sense. I mean, plus-size representation (sad to say) is even harder to find in film/TV than Latinx rep, so I do appreciate her being there. Would have been nice to get both. Hopefully Flora shows up later and is who the character should be. (Cousins definitely don't have to match ethnicities lol.)

[@TehMomo_]

@@ImmortalBroken representation of one as the expense of another isn't representation...

[@lady6750]

@@ImmortalBroken but why... they could have done a plus size character without getting rid of a character that is integral to the show... its not representation by getting rid of another representation, its just idiotic.

[@VioletIsBulletproof]

@@TehMomo_ screw the representation shit. I just wanted flora and musa to loooook like the flora and musa from cartoon. That means Latina and asain. How effing hard is it to find them in....whatever country it was filmed!

[@TuesdaysArt]

Plus sized Latina actresses exist...if they wanted to add a variety of body types, they still could have kept the ethnicity the same.

[@aeriallea1814]

I'm italian and 24, I was the right age when the first season came out and I loved it, I mean I still watch the first 3 seasons sporadically when I'm emotionally exhausted... this FATE thing can't exist.. and also the last seasons of the cartoon with all of the white washing.. AND WTF AISHA'S POWER IS ENERGY AS A WHOLE, NOT WATER. And the special bond between the fairies, the series is ALL about that and not bitching around.

[@fuunosenshi]

I'm 39, and I loved the original show. I was like 20 something when it aired, but I still enjoyed it. Recently I started watching with my daughter and she also loves it. And I am pissed. They whitewashed Musa, replaced Flora, made Aisha lame and got rid of Techna. WTF, Netflix?!

[@aeriallea1814]

@@fuunosenshi Yeah and I can't get over the fact they completely dismissed their characters.. Bloom is not that self-centered and really compassionate, Stella plays vane but she has the greatest heart, same for the others who basically don't exist in this show. Also, I see that the fairies-boys relationships aren't realistic in the series and pretty childish, but I loved Riven and Musa's arch, they are more real, with external and internal obstacles that they overcome with time and not just because "omg he cute".

[@fuunosenshi]

@@aeriallea1814 that seems to be the only thing they kept from the original

[@daniellegroves4830]

I'm 25 I was obsessed with Winx as a kid. I desperately wanted to be Flora, years later I am still trying to turn my apartment into a rainforest. I am pretty sure she inflounced that one way or another. Still I was thinking maybe it could work maybe Flora will be in later...then I found out we get 1 witch instead of 3...and Stella's a bitch...Aisha's probably not going to get her grand story is she?...I think I can skip this thanks

[@Dred0n]

@@fuunosenshi you see we adults don't really care if the show is dark and edgy as long as it's interesting and not like riverdale we'll love it.

[@Nadia1989]

I'm just tired of "dark" and "realistic" reboots and adaptations whose characters talk in whispers. I'm going back to anime.

[@rosemadder6322]

I’m sure Dowling ain’t dead, because her eyes started glowing believe she was killed, meaning she activated her magic, and since she’s a mind fairy, she probably just put a vision in Rosalinds head to make it look like Rosalind actually killed here. Also it’s the writer vom Vampire Diary’s which means no one actually ever dies, best example Andreas.

[@idonotknow8503]

I hope so, her coats are fierce an I want more.

[@jadenpinet]

ahhhh i hadnt thought of that but its very plausible.

[@BobTheTesaurus]

yeeah, no. yall forgetting that Riven and Danes eyes glowed when Rosalind used her powers on them. additionally, Beatrix's eyes were glowing during the interrogation, which in most circumstances could be explained as her using her powers, except the bracelets prevented that. Dowlings eyes glowing is likely just from Rosalind using her powers on her. I'm more interested in the way Rosalind hid the body, because wtf since when was that part of her powers. that looks like earth fairy power not mind/air fairy power.

[@jadenpinet]

@@BobTheTesaurus when bloom had broken her out at first she was able to make them invisible. And I’m sure Dowling said in the beginning that their powers aren’t limited to their class. Since she’s a very powerful person I’m sure she’s able to other things like that. It’s kinda scary tho

[@faye_isc]

when Tecna is so smart that the directors couldnt figure her out lmao :"))))

[@tdog3753]

I just realized Aisha saying "is that american for sorry i almost set you on fire" DOESNT MAKE SENSE. Aisha wouldn't know or care about America or Earth isms and since she only really knows that Bloom is from a place on planet Earth it's like if bloom had a specific thing to say about aishas' home town accent which she probably has no cultural knowledge about.

[@anthony-wo1yd]

*Look how they massacred my Bloom...*

[@rosegoldrose6249]

They massacred all of the characters 😭

[@badratymj9255]

And Stella like come on Transforming her into the basic mean girl. Like what

[@meatabogan2871]

At least Techna was saved....Right?

[@badratymj9255]

@@meatabogan2871 for now let's see what they'll do to her in S2 lol

[@meatabogan2871]

@@badratymj9255 oh dear god

[@JuanCarabajal]

If Riverdale and Chilling Adventures of Sabrina had a baby, this would be it.

[@appleholo2707]

It's hot garbage. Hot since Bloom is a fire fairy.

[@ell-ell_elI]

Honestly thats a fact

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

I dunno. Sabrina and Riverdale are mildly self-aware and campy while this shit thought it was an epic.

[@appleholo2707]

@@SuperPal-tr3go You're spot on.

[@hannahhannah7002]

Riverdale and Sabrina are fun...this is just bad

[@flaviacaribe4993]

About the relationship plots: Aisha does have two love interests in the original. The first one dies, it was very sad. Also I think Riven was asian-coded in the original (he was also never very great I'm glad Musa ultimately dumped him)

[@NAME-yg8sl]

It was Riven who dumped her. Didn't he saw they were bad for each other and walked of.

[@AshotofHatsu]

aisha has 3 love interests if i'm right, Nabu, Roy, and Nex. :D

[@yueuphoria8952]

I thought that Riven was caucasian-coded and that Helia was supposed to be the asian-coded one of the boy group.

[@nazarisreyes6037]

Aisha doesn't have a storyline because Netflix iis f-cked up when it comes to their treatment of woc

[@cuttie24you]

I was literally looking for this comment! I don't get how the only BW in the show doesn't have a stand alone storyline or a love interest. She is basically the 'token black friend trope' in a show about friendship. When she does establish herself she is called a literal rat. This show is plain old 🗑

[@nazarisreyes6037]

@@cuttie24you they went out of their way to make the show less inclusive and didn't treated their only main character of color like more than a support system for the white, selfish girl

[@missyandere1647]

@@cuttie24you THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. I would probably get called racist by 14 year old white girls if I said that, since I have a lighter skin colour.

[@kolapon6832]

Which is so funny cause Aisha in the original has such a good backstory and she goes through a lot during the duration of the show.

[@Dred0n]

@@kolapon6832 and everybody treated her so well. They saw that she always felt left out and they constantly reminded her and help her that she belong to the group. That's what this series should be like.

[@julianisaak603]

So let me get this straight...Netflix cancelled Atypical, Teenage Bounty Hunters and The Society to make this steaming pile of garbage??? K.

[@donb7519]

while this show is terrible thats not how netflix works streaming services dont profit off of 8 season long shows like cable does so pretty much any streaming original will probably get at most 4 or 5 seasons

[@alaia-awakened]

And Anne with an E, which is an absolute masterpiece..

[@julianisaak603]

@Lowkey Loki They did, but I read somewhere recently that they are bringing it back for its 4th and final season to conclude the show. Let's hope Rona doesn't derail anything else and we get to see the characters one last time.

[@sailorplanetmars6103]

I'm confused as to why they felt the need to make all these changes, and add new characters considering all the characters they took out? Like, on the Specialist side, they just took 4 of them out and put 2 new ones back in, why not just leave them as it is? Helia would have been a great addition for his "gentle soul" energy (but lbr they would have made him an edgy boy with an acoustic guitar and an emo fringe who needs music to ease his soul or whatever the fuck), I'm incredibly confused why they took out Tecna, changed Musa's powers (and strictly Aisha's too but that's not so bad, morphix was basically water anyway), removed their varying family situations (Stella's parent's divorce, Musa's dead mother, Aisha's tensions with her family over arranged marriages and such), made Bloom's parents into assholes (Mike and Vanessa would NEVER), basically removed Cloud Tower in its entirety, took out all the segments where the girls worked and sacrificed things to gain their powers, took out the transformations and fairy forms... The original show had so much interesting stuff in it, and if they weren't interested in any of it they should have just made a new show.

[@nyxyyy_8931]

Literally the original script could be made darker. Her in the fire they could’ve given her burn marks, the monsters the witches released could have killed someone, that season where they had to die for their powers, they could’ve permanently killed someone off or talked about how many fairies did die from it. All of the villain arcs other than the witches are dark enough too with bloom becoming evil for a time. There is so much material they could’ve used. And it seems more like they scimmed the wiki like they did in the avatar movie.

[@Mike14264]

So, it almost barely resembles the series it took inspiration from at this point. "You could've called this series 'Bird VS Camel' and no one would've argued with you."

[@70shalu]

Was anyone else as upset as me about Dane, the only overtly bi character and black male MC who looked like he just walked out of a fashion show, made good initial observations, and had an adorable friendship/budding romance with Terra, get wedged into the dumbest love triangle with discount-Harry Styles but make him sexist and the literal villain of the story? Please tell me it was not just me

[@bread423]

AFhajagagaj "discount-Harry Styles" killed me ahsjjmalal

[@firewolfandrewb]

It's not just you, one of the writers wrote for the Vampire Diaries.

[@zigaudrey]

Questions: Why the Italian Creator didn't defend her works? Why she lets them reboot? Oh, why she didn't ask them question about the show before they reboot? Winx Club doesn't need a reboot.

[@headintheclouds7905]

he sadly, took part in the creation of the reboot. IDK what TF he was thinking but hey Netflix is popular, and winx was starting to be popular again, why not ruin it?

[@zoazede2098]

She? Her? A man created the Winx Club, just because it's a girl directed show doesn't imply that a woman created it 😑

[@zigaudrey]

@@zoazede2098 Must confused with another Italian Show. Winx Club and WITCH are very popular.

[@zoazede2098]

@@zigaudrey probably 🤔🤔🤔

[@nicolasgalviza7948]

bloom, directions are not mansplaining. girl, if you're gonna gimme faux feminism, at lest get your $hit together.

[@KryaDiere]

That part really pissed me off. Like does she even KNOW what mansplaining means? It's like an old boomer went on tumblr for 20min and decided he knew how to write a "edgy teenage girl". The script was horrible.

[@yazminrobinson1184]

Feminism is ridiculous to begin with because it’s not really about gender equality to begin with and just more about female superiority and females can do no wrong.

[@disneyerapowerrangers2923]

@@yazminrobinson1184 not really.

[@47ratsinahoodie]

@@yazminrobinson1184 Fake feminism, maybe, but actual feminists (which come in all genders) want true egalitarianism

[@unlimon6382]

@@yazminrobinson1184 not at all, you are just wrong, please stop, this is not the point at all and you are just starting something out of nothing XD then you will complain about people correcting you

[@LeoDBW]

Repeat after me Netflix: a edgy reboot doesn't automatically make a show better

[@luuuuux_]

An edgy reboot doesn’t automatically make a show better

[@saorise28]

Netflix: we should make an edgy reboot of all the old kids tv shows because everyone loves them so so much..... 😀

[@ScandGeek]

An edgy reboot doesn't automatically make anytging better

[@obsidian179]

So, when’s the edgy reboot of Captain Planet where the Planeteers are ecoterrorists coming out, do you think? 🤔

[@avggamer86]

Ayesha should wear the shirt that says "black women are not here to save you"

[@cloudyheart5148]

Gosh I'd love that but this show is trying to hard to be progressive they would turn it into the independent strong black women thing.

[@suides4810]

Clear example "show dont tell"

[@Elizabeth-iv2pr]

I like how she has the same "chosen one" red leather jacket that Emma from Once upon a time has.

[@isiaadiel3468]

Stories being rewritten beyond recognition is like having a older but nicely running car and adding cosmetic crap that weighs it down and causes your engine to sputter.

[@hugosavstrom4548]

In the original Bloom told her parents about fairies and Solaria in the first episode lol funny how Netflix decided to keep it a secret

[@summerbarroga6680]

FATE: The Winx Saga is basically The Winx Club that was 'Riverdaled' and 'The-Chilling-adventures-of-Sabrina-fied' and it's just another part of my childhood that idk how to feel about being changed/ ruined... They could've at least made sure the outfits were similar to the cartoons🥺

[@clarasundqvist6013]

the love triangle between bloom, stella and sky absolutely infuriates me because 1) it completely ignores the best relationship in the show: stella and brandon, whose dynamic is always compelling and they complement each other better than any of the other characters (my girl almost died trying to save him from marrying that underground queen, your fave could never), 2) making stella a bitch is so disappointing, like yeah she had her bitchy and spoiled moments, but she has a big heart and is fiercely loyal to her friends, ESPECIALLY BLOOM WHO IS HER BEST FRIEND and 3) makes bloom's and sky's relationship so much more boring. like the love triangle with whatshername in season 1 of the animated show was compelling because it presented a choice for sky: love or duty. sky never cared for anyone but bloom romantically, and making the person he's into stella of all people is ..... so bad in so many ways

[@femmefatale4442]

I was talking about how I disliked the reboot and someone commented on how I should be thanking netflix for making the Winx better because the original was "garbage". Imagine liking a riverdale knockoff reboot 🤮

[@dralakba-dusk31]

imagine liking Riverdale tho 🤮🤮

[@femmefatale4442]

@@dralakba-dusk31 That's pretty gross itself.

[@demxnc]

I bet they’re the type of person to also like the kissing booth lol

[@naniyan7648]

@@demxnc they like riverdale and the winx netflix adaptation ?They must have covid

[@demxnc]

@@naniyan7648 literally bruh 💀

[@lottevanderpaelt1684]

I watched the animated series like literally all the time as a kid and I can tell you, that was way better than whatever the hell this sh*t is...