Why I'm Selling My Exmark Commercial 30" Mower | Toro Turfmaster

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[@bazzamow7031]

Honda needs to bring out a big mower that has enough power

[@andreabond3501]

Agreed but when

[@carlosspiceyweiner3387]

They used to make them. There’s a 48” walk behind with the gxv390

[@juanmanuelmarquez4945]

This guy is the one and only person with an honest opinion on the exmark. DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THIS MACHINE. YOU WILL REGRET IT FOREVER!!

[@Bladesofgrasslawncare]

That's why we sold ours as well!

[@tommymann69]

I hear you my friend

[@Bradsmobilecarcare]

I was happier the day I sold my turf master than I was the day I bought it. Every yard has a hill here and I pushed more than it pulled itself. Cut was good and that was the only good about it. I am looking at getting a Bravo 25 currently have 2 hondas and they are absolutely amazing.

[@ericowens964]

I've sold these in our store for three years. Once I learned to educate my customers on what they were buying I eliminated 99 percent of my complaints. These units are not, nor were they ever meant to be or replace, a wide area walk behind that cost $3,500. I tell every prospective buyer this sentence: 'This mower is for mowing Sister Bertha's nice Saint Agusutine grass but it's not for mowing Sister Bertha's alley behind her house.' Also of note; they hate sandy conditions. If you are interested in one of these mowers keep the following in mind: 1. They require periodical adjustments. One of which will have to be made within the first two weeks of ownership. 2. They do not do well in high grass. The same engine is on the 21" Commercial Toro. You can't add nine mower inches of cutting swath and think it will have the same power as the 21". 3. They are heavy. This isn't something to put in and out of the back of a pickup truck all day long. 4. Since the blades are timed they are very unforgiving when hitting an object. I tell a customer: 'Hit anything with this and just bring me 200.00 for me to fix it.' 5. I keep hearing about transmission issues but rarely ever see the issue in our store. 6. The cut really clean, mulch really well and bag even better. 7. It is not a poor mans 32" T-Bar Wide Area Walk Behind. It's not even close to the same machine. Once I communicate this info to the customer I let them make up their own mind whether the mower is for them or not. Great machine when used properly.

[@garrettstevensen2467]

Eric Owens thank you. Excellent information.

[@Yamilsboxingjourney]

I’m 14 and my dad taught me well how to fix lawn mowers and tractors

[@47f0]

So... Basically, anyone buying an Exmark, which Toro pitches heavily to the pro market, can just forget about using it professionally. Nice.

[@ericowens964]

47f0 Toro does not pitch 30” as a replacement to the heavy duty wide area walks they sell. Yes the mower can be used professionally and should be but they have a specific purpose. When used outside of that intended purpose.... beware.

[@47f0]

@@ericowens964 - Got it. Avoid sand, which according to the soil and water sciences department of the University of Florida, pretty much rules out the state of Florida, avoid tall grass, which rules out cleanups, and quite a few bi-weekly customers, and generally baby the heck out of it.. But it's a professional mower. Tell you what Eric - Toro needs to stop watering down the professional reputation they're trying to build for their Exmark brand with consumer grade equipment, and Toro / Exmark dealers need to stop letting Toro/Exmark pull that crap instead of covering for them.

[@Bust776]

Thank you for sharing. Sounds like they need to listen to their consumers and fix their problems.

[@paulwicklund5044]

Scagg 48 inch walk behind is the best. used 2 of them for 5 years no problems. never replaced the belts. had the Kowoski motors.

[@dochutto]

A lawn care friend of mine gave me an EX mark 26 inch cut, worked fine for two years in my st Augustine grass then all hell broke loose had to take it to an Ex Mark dealer and spent $327 to fix it. Replace idler pully and belts, plus a new pull starter. The engine is great, a kiwasaki with oil filter. Thanks for saving me 1800 dollars, I was preparing to buy a 30 inch. A very good video.

[@joesheppard2392]

This review is SPOT ON !!!! I wish I had never bought my turfmaster... and I do not use it commercially. I just liked the concept of a 30 inch cutting walk behind. YUGE mistake

[@cedricwebb5576]

Joe, I was at the shop about to buy one last week. I figured, I love my toro 22 inch persons pace, and therefore I figured the 30 inch model would be a perfect upgrade. Well, I've heard nothing but bad remarks. The crazy thing is,, I'm still going back and forwards about the mower. Man I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, but I am taking you all's advise.

[@rjskum688]

@@cedricwebb5576 i have the toro 22 inch personal pace recycler too. Man thats all you need, anything more is a luxury.

[@glennevitt5250]

Man thank you for this information I was looking at the 30in

[@nathangant7636]

I've also have several cracked blades on my Toro Timemaster 30. It's important to be very wary of any excessive vibration which could mean one of the blades may be starting to crack from stress. Hairline cracks may be almost invisible to naked eye but will produce considerable vibration when synchro belt is engaged and blades are turning. Once you know your mower, you should be able to detect vibrations if you're paying attention. It think these Toro blades are problematic in their design but they could redesign the blades to increase the elasticity of the carbon steel and reduce brittleness which is contributing to the cracked and broken blades. I'm happy with my Timemaster going on almost 3 years with work in multiple accounts. All cables, pulleys and belts have been replaced. All in all, it's a heavy beast and can do commercial work but be prepared for downtimes for periodic maintenance. Everything can be DIY if you have mechanical ability. But don't put off the essential inspections and regular maintenance. Pay attention to vibrations which means something is out of balance. I've actually heard of one roadside fatality from a commercial pull-behind rotary mower breaking off one of its blades and hitting a passerby in the head and killing him. Freak accident in that case.

[@davidmiracle7946]

I was going to buy one today but after watching a couple of videos on the problems with them I have changed my mind and am keeping my 21 inch mower thank you so much for saving me money and stress. David M Northern Kentucky

[@AmbrosLandscapingInc]

Glad I can help man!

[@munchkin929]

Ive had 4 of them and I love them, if u are doing lawn care full time then u have to expect things like this

[@keepevolving7968]

Facts

[@choppinbladeslawncare]

Thank you, I just saved a bunch of money by watching your video!

[@LawnCareBusinessSuccess]

Ive always wondered about those 30" mowers. Thanks for the insight. I love my Hondas as well. The HRC-216 is a beast and built like a tank. The first HRC-216 I bought 12 years ago and was used commercially for 10 years before I made it a backup mower 2 years ago for cosmetic reasons. I replaced it with another HRC-216.

[@E4create]

Got one too they're nice

[@buckbenelli8]

I’ll sell you mine, 6months old. Too damn heavy and not maneuverable. But it is built like a tank.

[@joshuaruss9152]

The problem I have with them is that when there is virtually any moisture at all in the lawn grass will cake really bad on the top of the under moreso than what I ever experienced with a 20 or 21" and certainly moreso than with my 36" and 48". Also, they made the opening of the mower to the bagger attachment way too small so that you often have to clean it out. There simply is too much grass trying to pass through a small area. I like the 30" because they are nice and help to save time on the smaller lawns that you can't get into with a 36".

[@jenidillon3639]

your channel has helped me so much with my brand new lawn care company! Thank you!!

[@OscarOrod]

yes, the 21 inch Honda commercial is the best small walk behind.

[@lawnservjoe4241]

I just finished my fourth year with the TurfMaster Mower. I have changed the drive belt once. Everything else seems to be working great. I mulch 80% of the time, works great. The TurfMaster complements my Grasshopper 725D Mower. Sorry that they don't work for you.

[@realitycheck6359]

WOW ... Almost decided to go with the 30 inch mowers. I'm only looking to do small residential yards. will check out the options mentioned here. TY!

[@seanlehtimaki838]

In the comments,asked about the YBravo. Their great! Fast two speed tranny bags well and a nice cut behind. Reminds me of the older two speed Hondas that were truly iron dukes! On the YBravo 25" and 21" the Honda accerlator bag (the larger aluminum one) fits! I'm a taller guy and the handles are higher also which is why I chose it over the Honda. The only bad thing is that there's not too many YBravo dealers so parts and service is a pain.

[@seanlehtimaki838]

But the Kawasaki engine is the same as toro exmark and gravely so that helps

[@bigboxinfo]

Go to your local auto parts store and buy a couple of 12-14 oz spray cans of serpentine (fan belt) conditioner. You'll get an extra year or two out of any belt including your vehicle. While you're there, grab yourself a one gallon container of Marvels oil. Follow the instructions and add it to your gas and engine oil. And change your oil once a month at a minimum. Last, never cut sideways on a hill as it tears up the wheel bearings. My cars, motor cycles and mowers never break down. Best of luck.

[@jasonwestgor7270]

A big part of being in this business is doing your own maintenance especially anything that can be done quite simply

[@peteywheatstraw9846]

The best and the most straightforward video I've seen on these mowers. I wish I had k own this before I brought this sorry ass exmark

[@rocky215517]

Thanks for the video brother, with the season fast approaching ive been very interested in the exmark commercial 30". We run 2 Honda 21" commercial and have NEVER had any maintenance problems at all. im glad to here about the issues before i took that jump, i will definitely hold off on this mower, also with me getting my New walker in august we rarely use the 21'' anymore, just thought having an 30'' in arsonal would be great, Thanks and GREAT video

[@eddiereyna2998]

Hope ya have looked into a 36” stand on mowers . Wright , Gravely & John Deere all make great stand on mowers . The fixed decks are cheaper but the floating decks make more sense and can handle the abuse of commercial applications such as jumping over curbs lol . We used one during our South Texas Coastal properties from Whataburger and our grocery king HEB properties. We had John Deere and they are built like tanks .

[@beckweth]

I bought my exmark 30" winter of 2014. Not for commercial use, but for home. It's a great mower for that. It does clog up under the deck when mowing high wet grass - more than it should. It's an awesome mower for me. I can see if workers beat the snot out of it - it won't take it.

[@ryanuutela746]

Before watching this I was going to buy a 30" but fuck that I'll stick with 21" snapper thanks the heads up

[@thecuttingforce]

Lots of problems. For 1k. Crazy

[@b20em1]

I sold both of mine always was breaking the transmission cable. They were both awesome for about 6 months after that they were junk. These are a bad investment and many people get sucked into buying them. Not to mention a pain to work on.

[@JH-iw4ui]

I can replace the drive belt and the other one that’s on that pulley in 10 minutes. It’s very easy. But, I agree they tend to wear out quickly.

[@MarioAranda2010]

We've got a model#22210 and no major issues just maintenance on belt tensioner as stated on manual and belt changes use only oem toro. Weak trans but good on residential houses, I can see why you got rid of them bc of more commercial accts and design issues. Best of luck from DFW area.

[@bobbiebrown8427]

EnViZN 9

[@JoeBlow-24]

Good video man, its good to get that info out there. I had my Exmarks for 2 years and hated them, the drive system on them really truly sucks. I ended up getting some higher end consumer push mowers and they have been great for me.

[@carrichard]

Thanks, I really appreciate your honesty !!

[@mccool24]

I’ve been wanting one of these but refuse to spend a thousand dollars on something literally everyone has problems with. Seems like such a simple concept for a lawn mower manufacturer.

[@wh8085]

You got ten thumbs down , must of been Toro and Exmark reps ! Maybe they should just fix the problems instead of dogging peoples reviews ! Thanks much for this review ! You have no doubt saved me money and troubles ! Have you looked at the Cub Cadet 33 ? I'm going to look at it and see if I can find some reviews . Thanks again ! Have a great and safe season !

[@fixt100]

i have an hrx i love it but if you can find an "HRB215" buy it, it weighs 50lbs and has the poly deck easy to lift when needed, also has the old style heavy duty honda 5hp engine runs forever.

[@SirTannerah]

an exmark owner here, all belts have the same issue if you Jam the levers real fast you ware out the belts faster, if you ease the levers and be a little mindful the belts can last a good while. I'm still on my original factory belts 3 years later. don't get me wrong the mowers have their issues, but it has been a damn good mower.

[@gibsonslawnservice7261]

thanks I was about to pull the trigger on the emark. I'm going honda

[@25-8]

Mike Gipp get another commerical mower 21", the Honda is great only if you use it mostly for bagging. It's a horrible mulcher unless it's dry grass, it's great at mulching leaves in winter though but the weight will cause ruts if you're not careful. Also maneuvering in small areas is annoying and hard, I have a Honda hrc216 and took his video of them for purchase. They're great mowers but the weight is too heavily and the deck will eventually rust unlike aluminum.

[@dreamwalker130]

Thank you for help Same Exact problem with my 30" Exmark, also thinking about a Honda 217...

[@larrycornelius5737]

Can't go wrong with a Honda HRX 217!

[@andybub45]

@@larrycornelius5737 yes you can

[@andybub45]

The new Turfmaster HDX has supposedly fixed most of the issues you had.

[@daflea66]

For belt replacement, you can use the height adjustment arm as a lever to really get that tension spring opened enough that its not too bad to slip on the belt. i wish I wasnt a expert at those belts. Im selling mine soon also.

[@jcslawntips]

I have a Toro Turf Master, great machine!

[@mattjohnson8902]

Every machine great when it works until it breaks.

[@charliebeers1710]

We own all 3. We have a Toro 30 on the first trailer, the Exmark 30 on the 2nd trailer and keep the Honda in the shop as a backup. The 30s require more maintenance, but they are HUGE time savers. When mowing 40 lawns per day and just a little over half have small back gates, the 30s are life savers. We wouldn't be able to do as many yards in one day without them.

[@garrettstevensen2467]

Wow. Now that is good info. Yeah, we service hundreds of properties as well...

[@garrettstevensen2467]

Charlie Beers question... are the mowers in ambros video the “newer” or “older” model? Do you have problems with the Exmark more or the Toro more? I’m thinking of picking up a 30” for the time savings.

[@AlexSanchez2254]

Charlie Beers C

[@justinbeamon6624]

He has the old model in the video. The Toro TIMEMASTER with the 223cc engine has good reviews and although mulching quality is not the best, some gator blades to replace them makes it a good choice from what i've read. Much better than the 190cc version and this turfmaster.

[@danielcortez4562]

Charlie Beers 40 lawns for how many workers?

[@colestaples2010]

Exmark has addressed those issues. I couldn't live without my 30. I have a Honda as well but with 50% smaller deck, I rarely get it on a lawn.

[@ernestmckay283]

Thanks for the info I was think of getting some.

[@jeepsaround]

I bought the ExMark 30 Commercial the first year of it's release and put on an hour meter. The mower was so fast and strong when new but slow and slippery ever since. I've had to replace a transmission after about every 110 hours of use. The first one or two were covered under warranty. The first trans was the best and every trans since has slipped much more and tightening didn't help as it was as tight as possible. They said they made improvements but all the trans have slipped more. The part number did change. I asked my dealer and he said they lightened the clutch to make it last longer but, I said like a automotive clutch, if you let it slip more, it wears faster so I call B.S. on Toro/ExMark. I tightened the cable so much to make it better it eventually snapped. I retired my mower to personal use after maybe 500 hours. Since new, I've spent at least $2000 on pulleys, spindles, bearings, transmissions, belts, cables, etc. It hasn't made a nice cut the last half of the use (250hrs+). Only the Kawasaki engine has been perfect, otherwise it's a lemon!! Avoid it at all cost! I wish I could sue! Later, I bought the Toro Hydro 21 Aerator brand new, from a different dealer. On every job after about 20mins the aerator slowed down to maybe 1mph. The dealer and rep said they didn't have a clue and because it cooled down by the time they would look at it they did not believe me. I showed a video and they said, huh, we don't know. Fluids were all new and full, and I used Premium Ethanol-free. I fought it for a while and sold it.

[@preocupied1690]

I own a timemaster a turfmaster and an exmark the review you did is perfect. These mowers are really NOT commercial mowers between the belts and transmission and cables they are not good for commercial use. Just because they are heaver does not make them better than the timemaster. I replaced the pulleys with the commercial ones on the timemaster and never had a problem since. The timemaster does need a larger gas tank and a better transmission and it would be perfect for home use. I like the wheel adjustment better on the turfmaster way easier and faster than the ex mark in my opinion. I removed the front engine guards on the two because they serve no point for home use and just add weight and I'm careful on where I go with it. To me a homeowner with the aforementioned things I said on the timemaster it would be perfect for home use. One more thing it takes me less than an 20 minutes to change the belts and about an hour to replace a transmission on them.

[@adanvaldcontreras4283]

Thanks for the information 👍 I'm staying away from those mowers.

[@AndyX]

i do small engine repair .. yes there was a recall ..it was a major pain to fix .. there was a factory bolt torque issue as well on the spindles

[@KeepItMowed]

This is why we use the Toro Timemaster. We use low lift blades in wet conditions. Our second unit has been problem free.

[@travis10ist]

Keep It Mowed timemaster is no different.... i been replace belt

[@nankervisj]

Oh yes i love my HRX217. over here in australia the top mower in the Honda commercial range is the HRU216M2 but its basically the same as the HRX except it has a steel deck, no versamow system, a snorkel, 3 speed tranny instead of infinite and its another 35kg heavier ;D

[@juanmanuelmarquez4945]

HRX217 IS THE BEST INVESTMENT ONE CAN MAKE!!!

[@davidhall9969]

We had the Toro 30 Commercial. None of the guys would use them because they was so heavy and the transmissions was so weak. I use to use the John Deer self propelled 22inch mowers. We loved them But John Deer stopped selling them in the USA

[@andrewtowell5655]

Thank you very much for your advice👍 ,have been planning to buy the turf master,will stay with my Honda

[@joeraptor1]

Thanks for the feedback on the 30" mowers. I was thinking of getting one but was always hesitant due to the issues you mentioned. The 2 hondas you referenced in your video are excellent but people should also consider the toro commercial 21" units made from 2014 on. They are excellent baggers and mulchers.

[@25-8]

joeraptor1 can you do more 21" commerical mower videos with your mower please? I really like them

[@rbljackson]

Yep....when talking about the belts, I believe he is specifically talking about the Blade Engagement Belt. We go through them entirely too fast! There isn't much adjustment in them either. When you try to tension them, you can actually create another problem which is the blade brake. After the belt stretches, and you tighten the belt to compensate, the blade brakes don't work correctly, and they either freespin for a long time, or simply wont stop when you disengage the blades. I like the 30 for the speed of cutting when they work correctly, BUT...there will be the belt problems and transmission issues.

[@christopherreynolds6964]

Great video! The 30 inch mowers ruined the market on small Walk Behind mowers. Ferris used to make an amazing hydrostat walk behind that was 32 inches. It cut super nice and was really easy to use with the hydrostatic drive system. It was amazing on hills (both up and down and side to side) and didnt rip up turf when the ground was moist. Then Toro/Exmark came out with this machine at half the price point of the Ferris, they dominated market share and Ferris discontinued the 32 inch walk behind. The Toro Exmark has so many problems and is severely underpowered. Plus... if your replacing these things every season or 2? Forget about it! I used to get at least 4 hard seasons out of my Ferris 32's. Amazing mower and I plead with the reps to bring it back at every trade show. The only alternative in this size mower now is a 32 Wright Stander... great machine but watch out when its wet! Due to all the weight of the machine and operator being on those back tires it rips up grass and trenches when the soil is moist. If you have flat properties without steps, this mower cuts faster than anything! If you have hills or need to go up curbs or steps this mower is a no go. We own 2 of them.

[@seanlehtimaki838]

Christopher Reynolds ....your 100% correct Christopher! Forgot all about that ferris 32" it was a good mower

[@daves7503]

Thanks for the video. I am looking for a 30" or so mower... and the Toro seems to get bad reviews everywhere. I am actually thinking of going with one of the MTD brands like troy-bilt or cub cadet..... they seem to get good reviews. And when the MTD gets better reviews than a name brand......... your doing something wrong Toro.

[@juanmanuelmarquez4945]

Oh damn I just bought a kohler engine 30 inch exmark. It stalled several times on wet tall grass (my first lawn using the machine).

[@zhelko]

thank you for sharing. i love the idea of a 30” cutting width but was hesitant to buy toro or exmark. after watching your video i’m definitely not going to buy them. why would honda not make a 30” mower?

[@mullitoffroading7565]

I just changed mine. And I'd recommend removing the guards and leaving them unbolted. It cuts your belt changes to 10 minutes

[@superior3384]

I'm finally getting the honda hrx217hya. I've seen your video on the honda hrx217hya vs the honda hrc216. I'm definitely going for the hrx217hya. thanks for the help buddy

[@Believe231]

I got my Honda hrx217hya 2 years ago, I couldn't be happier with it, but it's not being used commercially- but did replace an early 90's commercial Snapper model that blew its engine and on top of that needed about $150 in parts to fix up the rest of it.

[@mauricioandrade3507]

Everything is so true about those mowers.

[@20lawnsby19]

I lost so much weight running and sweating behind that heavy little mower and throwing it around every 180 degree turn that I am now light enough to stand on a little sulky behind it :D Getting mine off the trailer and only using ride-on mowers/sulkies, or light-weight Honda 21's with plastic decks.

[@DylanFkinGuenther]

First year running the exmarks, sped me up a lot from 21s but I have had semi frequent problems. Broke a belt and throttle cable after 4mos. Ill see how it works going into year 2 but I do a lot of residentials with gates and love em for that. They just fit through 99% of gates

[@DylanFkinGuenther]

Also dont buy the residental version that ones garbage

[@landscaperconnection]

Ah that stinks Jason but I see what you're saying. I just put a new belt on mine every winter before the season. The $20 and the 30-40 min it takes me to put on is just preventative. I put about 90-100 hrs on mine per year so many you go much more crazy with them but luckily I've had zero issues. Another good video man!

[@narcisocelante9438]

Everest Landscape 549

[@narcisocelante9438]

Everest Landscape “9

[@m.m14433]

I have the exmark 30, love the machine. Its a beast

[@brotdw2]

Thank you for this review! I was about to buy one.

[@kevinisbell1867]

I have 3 of them now. If you are good at maintenance they aren't that bad. For me I'd rather have to do maintenance once in a while then spend a extra day cutting grass. What would take 3 with a 21 I do In 2 days with a 30. And if you do lawn care get 2 of them so you can switch them off every 4 houses given them time to cool down. And you will figure out what the maintenance is as you use it. Change oil regularly use premium fuel always and stabilizer. But if you don't like tinkering once in a while don't get it. I love maintaining my equipment from snow blowers to lawn mowers and my trucks. And from what I understand just get the timemaster avoids commercial machines. You can get 2 timemaster for price of 1 commercial.

[@garrettumbarger2853]

Hey I have a bunch of these 30 ex marks as well. I just payed $ 95.00 for a replacement belt from our dealer here in Canada - Kelowna BC. You nailed it with the few issues of these mowers though. Well said man.

[@jimiguitar6324]

Earthquake String Mower 150cc Viper Engine 5 year warranty.. 12 gauge steel deck rust proof 22 inch cut...will cut 4 feet tall grass.. love it

[@all-in-onepropertypreserva4863]

I have 2 Exmark 30's, one for 2 seasons and the other 3 seasons. Primary mowers on 25-30 lawns a week w/ no major problems yet. Clogs with wet grass, always got my hands under there, mulches good when dry. Bags great. Ok for the cost, could use a bit stronger trans, maybe a few more HP. But these things do save me A LOT of TIME! I couldn't go back to 21's... No Way!!

[@AmbrosLandscapingInc]

ALL-IN-ONE Property Preservation LLC. PA I do agree with you on the time saving, it was hard to go back to the 21" but for me they weren't that reliable. Glad they are working great for you man! 👍

[@TundraAbril]

How do they do in fall/winter with the leafs? Is the vacuuming power strong enough to bag the leafs without double cutting?

[@jimb6017]

I bought a 32 in Exmark metro. Great mower. Total commercial mower.

[@JesusIsaFlatEarther]

I had issues with what I thought was the belt getting loose. Turned out all I had to do was adjust the tension on the cable above the belts and it's been fine for a year. The Timemaster isn't a fan of wet tall grass even with the side discharge chute in. I keep a putty knife handy. I guess the opening is too small. I'm more concerned with the weight of the thing when mowing ditches. But I still choose to use it instead of weed whacking the entire ditch. If I had room on my trailer, I would have a second one with the discharge hole enlarged for the tall, wet grass.

[@colestaples2010]

I definitely agree with the mulching problem. I wish it had a larger motor so it could mulch better

[@daveczarn4373]

we have been using the toro timemaster for 2nd season already and we just had to change 2 belts recently..also the mower setting handles would give way so it would jump out of position...didn't like that..so its going in the shop tomorrow..but it does cut really nice

[@ChiliblockTrading]

Try the Cub Cadet Cc800. It’s a 33 inch little stud. We use our Cub on 6 lawns a week. We love this thing.

[@keepevolving7968]

How long have you had it now?

[@Gamubi]

The company i worked for last two years we just used xmark. They were ok for the most part. The big one was annoying anything close to damn and it would plug up all the time, no other mowers did that. Also on our small xmark hit a small rock and it smashed a hole on the side of the body. I'm starting up this year myself and probably going with toro 800 for the price.

[@tommymann69]

I love my scag 32 walk behind belt drive mower.

[@mjslawntx]

Adjusting the height on the scag sux

[@zachkawaja1524]

Thank you so much man

[@cedricwebb5576]

So, in other words, both mowers are a piece of junk huh?. I guess I'm not going to get neither one. Thanks for the info.

[@jessel8833]

We purchased a "homeowner's" version of the TORO 30in timemaster to test it before taking the leap to commercial grade. Spent about $800 VS $1600 for commercial grade.....These push mowers are crap......They look like they'll cut faster, save you time bc of width 30ins VS avg. smaller size 21in; BUT, they waste your money & time with failures of bearings, belts, blades break.....Plus, they're wayyyyy heavier if you're only using a pickup truck to do your smaller residential contracts. Lifting the 30in mowers sucks by yourself, let alone whoever is with you. Steer clear of these heaps of junk. Too expensive for poor performance.....

[@ohtwo23]

Mine's a 2016 model. No issues other than an occasional rattling sound when running.

[@chuckccfd9]

Good to know. I was looking at get one or the other

[@frontdesk9073]

I have been using mine for two years without a single problem.

[@tommymann69]

BP blast may take care of that noise

[@jameschester3986]

I like my residential toro recycler push mower only issue is sticks getting into the drive belt only issue I have with it :/

[@vaskotree]

I have the toro. 4 years. no issues.

[@lawnmowing8143]

Something wrong with your dealer if it takes him 2 hours. 30-45 minutes not even and I can do both. You just need the trick. Changed so many last year.

[@yardbuddies4337]

@lawn mowing do you think its possible for you to do a vid to show us? That would be really awesome.

[@darkmattersproject2951]

Damn I have both Honda’s. Was going to get xmark. Thanks so much

[@aosaos6821]

goes well with zero turn a good nichemower any super hills with gates I'll see when they come . not like mowinghillswith.. gates is a good profitt ableidea.. kindof just for the spirit until you replace them

[@tommymann69]

Honda commercial mowers are the best

[@davidkaufman9367]

Great review, was thinking of buying this for my crew but now will be passing on this.I do not see how Toro?Exmark can ask 2000 for such a flawed machine. I was also debating berwweb a Wright stander Velke 36 of hydro 36 Toro and will be buying the Wright Velke. The fact that they also never responded to a safety issue when your mower tossed a blade really shows them to be a really poor company with really poor upper management.

[@johnbailey2034]

I never owned a 30 inch toro or exmark. I bought the wright 32 hydro so much better than the 30 inch toro and exmark. Yes a bit more bucks but 3 years and not one problem great mower ! And for the Honda mower I really like it but it just fell apart in just one year. I bought the Honda mower to replace one of the snappers but now we're using the snapper again. The snapper is over 40 years old dam Honda did not even last over a year. I think you tell it like it is when you're using your tools good luck in 2017 .

[@CompetentSalesUSA]

thank you

[@jtklandscaping8397]

what I use and like are the 21in mtd and it's not that heavy and it's cheap there only I think 200$ and great for the money i would recommend it

[@waltercastro2015]

That sounds like residential toro time master 30 inch problems. I currently own it and my repairs I've done are head gasket 1 time, blades about 3 times, belts 2 times, level plate right side 1 time, cable brake 1 time, fuel filter 1 time replaced with a john deer filter works better than the manufacture. Pending gas tank, needs rubber on the wheels. The sound on the video is the belt is loose is time to switch it. Will stretch quick if you cut wet grass or cut high grass. Is time saver but all this problems ain't worth it even mine ain't a commercial mower seems they both have same problem. I own it since July 2016.

[@leadnsteel1428]

was thinking of buying one but now im having second thoughts.... I know the Turfmaster HDX is better built with a stronger transmission and a more powerful engine.... who knows. I just have a cheap 300.00 certified 22'' mower that works great. I can push it all day and not get tired. I wonder about the 32'' Snapper pro... thats like a small walk behind

[@santizoslawncare8084]

Sold one at a loss after 2 weeks of using one. Underpowered

[@me1assassin]

Why not use a Kevlar belt? btw - Take care of that cough and go get some L-Lysine (2000-3000mg/day) Say good bye to cold sore in a couple days. Catch that cold sore when the tingle starts, and stop it dead in its tracks.

[@kenwartman7440]

Hey your videos are great, very helpful. is the commercial honda the most reliable and hassle free 21'' mower in your opinion? Im staring a new mowing business this summer and i have to start small, maybe with the honda mower and a stihl weed eater. It was between the honda and the exmark 30, but im thinking the honda. what are your thoughts?

[@daveallen4194]

If I were an engineer involved with designing theseToro/ExMark "commercial mowers" I would resign in shame and embarrassment to have my name associated with such poorly designed equipment. What are these companies thinking?

[@daflea66]

Toro is the parent company, i dont know why so many guys flock to Exmark tbh. I've sold all exmarks and replaces with comparable toro, best idea I ever had. =/

[@philnataliecrawford9112]

exmark vs toro......depends on the dealer that's in the area. Some dealers are better than others.