AMD Gaming Laptops get 16 Cores! But 1 BIG Problem..

[@JarrodsTech]

Check out all the new 2023 gaming laptops next: kzbin.info/aero/PLFBbwFM8jIbMIiSz2hPYgHQYHKEJQd3BV Update: The 7945HX product page lists PCIe Gen 5, this video was made before any info was public and AMD's own provided slides only listed Gen 4, so not sure why that was the case, must have been a mistake.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

AMD really wanted to make their naming scheme as bad as if not worse than Intel when it comes to mobile CPUs.

[@tatooine_dream]

"it really makes you wonder whats going on" Nvidia. Nvidia is going on. They are game of thrones with it.

[@Matlockization]

As Nvidia & Intel bribe their way capturing more brands however briefly. People will realise these new laptops from them will have shorter and shorter battery life in effect forcing everyone to eventually jump on to the AMD ship once again.

[@Satanicdrummer]

Awesome shirt bro!!! 🤘 Love me some In Flames, was just listening to Take This Life before watching this lol

[@12pure]

Correction: Specifically the HX Series are PCIe Gen 5, not Gen 4. All others HS and U series remain PCIe 4.0 tho. Edit: You compared 7945HX to 13980HX as having a inferior PCIe connection when both actually have the exact same interface.

[@sakura2646]

The naming scheme for the processors is so confusing...

[@JarrodsTech]

It's alright once you get it, but yeah I hear you

[@muneeb-khan]

If only looking at the CPU. The summary I’m getting is buy a laptop that [starts with 74: corrected by @skulltrooper0994] looks something like 7x4x Or buy a laptop from last year for really great savings since it’ll be similar.

[@SkullTrooper-kb7hm]

@@muneeb-khan Third number should be 4, second is the category (Ryzen 3/5/7/9).

[@THEANIMALGUY]

It's intentional

[@Cosplayinghuman]

AMD went Intel way for naming and Intel did the opposite too

[@MrJonas7]

Shame it's so hard to come by the Ryzen ultrabooks. I'm still waiting for more than like 2 choices of 6600U/6800U laptops. I hope it's better with this generation.

[@indianbot0077]

Can some smart guy here help me a good gaming laptop near 1000$ 🌞💐🌹

[@jamesbrendan5170]

@@indianbot0077 are you a spammer or something? stop spamming your question everywhere, go do your research

[@johndoh5182]

Yeah same issue, laptop makers want to use Intel regardless of performance of a specific CPU and how it fits their needs, because they get to put the Intel logo on the laptop. I understand 3 years ago companies preferring Intel because in general their CPUs were better, but Zen 3 changed that and there should have been more adoption of AMD across the product stacks. But it's reviews like this that don't help when the title talks about a problem when AMD is doing exactly the same thing Intel is because Intel uses multiple lines of products up and down their stack for laptops. And then the conversation goes along the lines of sounding like AMD is using older APUs to make these parts. No, they're new parts made this year.

[@HappyHubris]

From what I read the 6X00U parts were sparse, so few models used them and availability was sparse.

[@yungfisherman4]

@@johndoh5182 Nah, the problem is that AMD has to mass produce the zen 3+ U series first which they don't for all of 2022 lol

[@TheDaNuker]

I really hope AMD laptop CPU availability is much better this time around with so many SKUs. The 6600U was practically unavailable for most of last year for example. Can't wait for your benchmarks and reviews when you get your hands on them.

[@craiglortie8483]

it won't be.

[@totallynotslime1303]

@@craiglortie8483 y

[@craiglortie8483]

@@totallynotslime1303 if you don't know the history then you won't believe the reason behind what happens in the laptop market. just look at the nvidia cards being put into laptops instead of amd gpu's. when a strong gpu comes out, it usually goes into laptops right away, not amd's gpu's.

[@indianbot0077]

Can some smart guy here help me a good gaming laptop near 1000$ 🌞💐🌹

[@XifyLight]

Rdna 2 was already a year old when 6600U and 6800U was announced so there's no excuses. They were nowhere to be found in laptops for several months

[@sheeeesh9405]

The $/fps of amd advantage laptops from last year was insane, I was really hoping for a zen4+7800m combo this year at the same price ratio.

[@christianmbabazi9722]

That's what I was wondering cuz I didn't see anything about a 7000 series for like the higher tier Gpu

[@killerra]

@@christianmbabazi9722 The higher tier 7700M/7800M GPUs are "supposed to be" coming in the second half of 2023.

[@christianmbabazi9722]

@@killerra hopefully we'll see, 👍

[@colluminati2988]

Hopefully the Scar Advantage/Lenovo advantage doesn’t disappoint

[@SkullTrooper-kb7hm]

So basically almost every budget gaming laptop is going to use HS CPUs. Mid range is HS-HX. Top end models are HX. Okay...

[@PhillipLemmon]

This guy's gets it! Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@goncaloduarte4683]

The Ryzen 5 HX may be cheaper to manufacture then the HS CPUs since it doesn't have 12 RDNA3 CUs and because the IO die is on 6nm instead of 4nm/5nm

[@subasthapa4839]

Short answer, skip AMD this year

[@rifa.3307]

No, budget gaming will have hx with 6 or 8 core, top end use 12 or 16 core. Cheaper than hs Hs will be used by thin gaming laptop, like yoga slim 7 pro x or flow x13, or top end slim laptop like yoga slim 7

[@ShockingPikachu]

I think that their last gen stuff that's left over and instead of throwing it out. They clock it slightly higher and sell it off for less. I'd assume (or hope) that the lower 70xx SKUs (30,20,10) will be less and less common in new laptops as the years go on

[@sonicboy678]

The Mendocino SKUs are actually new (Zen 2 with RDNA 2 graphics and DDR5/LPDDR5 memory).

[@blazingguyop]

I don't think companies stock their cpu😑

[@Winnetou17]

There's no xx10 SKU, thankfully so, Zen1 is really outdated now. I actually hope that they won't be really less common, at least for now (eventually they should be less and less common, Zen2 in 2026 would really not fit). What I hope is that they are priced accordingly. A 7020 laptop that is $400 small, slim and completely quiet and cold to a bit warm at most, should make a perfect laptop for your grandma so she can check her distant relatives on Facebook and watch elders react on KZbin or something.

[@ShockingPikachu]

@@Winnetou17 I'm just waiting to see a $30 difference between a 7630 and a 7640

[@prem3548]

@@sonicboy678 Thats basically a steam deck chip that is defective bro.

[@Z020852]

38mb to 40mb is still a high enough gain over older CPUs with 24mb considering the thermal constraints that stop the laptop GPU from producing enough frames to get bottlenecked, but probably will make for gains in FPS overall than just the new GPUs by themselves.

[@JarrodsTech]

Yes it's a nice boost compared to last year

[@Z020852]

@@JarrodsTech And over Intel. I can't help but suspect that manufacturers still go i7 rather than i5 on a cooling+power limited application just for the cache ie it's Intel that's really into the upsell. And then R5 gets buried too thanks to how people might go with i7 or R7 anyway since tjey have to go i7 on the Intel machine.

[@cameronbosch1213]

As long as Lenovo keep up with their Legion 7 (and not just their 7i) laptops, well, then I'll be happy with AMD + Nvidia (which was missing last year). I do wish AMD could get more Radeon GPUs for the Legion 5 though...

[@craiglortie8483]

it's not amd, it's lenovo.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@craiglortie8483 Still, it looks like AMD aren't providing OEMs with true 6850M XT replacements, putting the OEMs in a particular tricky situation. And since Nvidia seems to be better on Windows when it comes to CUDA, DLSS 3 (there is no DLSS 3 equivalent yet), and Ray Tracing (though I'm not huge on that last one).

[@oliviermialon8575]

@@cameronbosch1213 The Navi 32 GPU has still to be revealed ; I assume it will come this spring for the desktop and then the mobile parts should be announced at the Computex and get released this summer to replace the RX 6850M XT.

[@thomasfischer9259]

you won't buy it though.

[@aliffsuhaimi1466]

The 7040 Series is going to be my choice of CPU. Low power requirements and better iGPU. I'm looking forward to the 12 CU RDNA3 against the 12 CU RDNA2 (Radeon 680M). The 680M is already decent in 1080p. If the RDNA3 ones could pump more performance, then the 1600p gaming might be a thing.

[@saxtremer]

RDNA3 CUs seem to be less powerful per CU. That's what I could infer from 7900xtx specs compared to 6950xt (192 CU vs 128 CU). I'd expect 10-20% less performance, but in lighter and thinner chassis. Edit: I got it wrong. It's 96 vs 80 CU. With 50% higher clock, 780M is going to be about 50% faster than 680M. But I'd assume more power hungry as well, a 3GHz GPU is no joke.

[@ivayloi736]

I was also waiting for RDNA3 APU, but it looks like it will be 20-30% better then RDNA2, not the promised 50%... At the same time, the prices will be high, and the availability - low. AMD didn't produce enough 6800u for some reason, and this was really a great chip.

[@dampflokfreund]

Also the new AI engine will prove useful when more programs use AI. IDK why the more powerful CPUs lack this.

[@ihavenoideas5844]

@@dampflokfreund Because the Dragon Range CPUs use desktop dies that lack this

[@mutant69]

Man, did they really need to ditch AMD on the G16?

[@JarrodsTech]

Yeah bit sad, I talk about it in my ASUS video towards the end in the X16 section

[@_A.d.G_]

GPP.

[@mutant69]

@@JarrodsTech hopefully we see other great devices with AMD chips. Always great to have options.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@mutant69 Lenovo Legion 7 looks to be that device!

[@riazulrahil]

1:50 that's why we rely on you, Jarrod! thank you for your hard work, it helps us to decide better. Happy new year 2023!

[@rubenbajo5353]

The 7745HX and 7945HX actually should perform the same in gaming despite the letter having twice the cache. That's because the other half of that cache is on another ccd and that does not help with gaming. Just like with the Ryzen desktop CPUs. Ryzen 7 usually can achieve 95% of the top Ryzen 9's gaming performance in the same lineup because of this. I love your videos, keep up the good work!

[@damienlobb85]

The 7745HX/7945HX aren't using V-Cache. What you're referring to is the 3DX models, where one CCD has the extra stacked cache. The standard 7950x and 7900x don't have stacked cache, and neither do the 16 core mobile parts as they're essentially down-clocked 7950x

[@rubenbajo5353]

@@damienlobb85 I haven't talked about 3D V cache. It's just about the basic L3 cache located on the core die(s).

[@yusmeow]

Why is the 7945HX using 610M iGPU instead of the more powerful 680M iGPU?

[@JarrodsTech]

Great question that I should have covered! The top end HX stuff doesn't bother with a more powerful iGPU because they assume it will always be paired with a good dGPU for gaming.

[@brahmasthaandipramana7591]

Because the based of 7945HX is 7950X desktop which also using Radeon 610M, that's why.

[@JarrodsTech]

That valuable die space is for cores, not GPU!

[@RickJ.C.C]

It would seem that AMD's initial slides were also wrong about the amount of cache on the 7040HS CPUs, on their website the 7940HS is listed as having only 16MB of L3 cache (24MB if you include the L2 cache) and not the 40MB shown in their marketing material

[@Jakiyyyyy]

On a laptop I don't demand much, just make it less hot without the need to add external cooler also give more VRAM to being able to maximize the full potential of GPU performance.

[@indianbot0077]

Can some smart guy here help me a good gaming laptop near 1000$ 🌞💐🌹

[@cameronbosch1213]

@Permanshu Singh Patel Acer Predator Helios 300 2022 was on sale for that much back on Black Friday 2022, but right now, I'd wait just a bit longer to see what improvements Nvidia's RTX 4000 brings; if it's really like what Nvidia us claiming, I'd start saving up for a bit longer to increase your budget. Otherwise, by that point, RTX 3000 will likely plummet in price (but only go for an RTX 3060 or higher if you go older).

[@Jakiyyyyy]

@@indianbot0077 If you want to maxed out 1080p gaming I think 3070 laptop 140W is doable. You can also push 1440p or even 4K if you have panel for that and I don't think they would normalize higher resolution gaming on a laptop display. So yeah. 1080p is good still.

[@indianbot0077]

@@Jakiyyyyy i thought of ryzen 9 5900x 16 gb ram, rtx3060 95w for 1200$, idk if i should buy it or not. It's tuf a15

[@Jakiyyyyy]

@@indianbot0077 If 90W+5W (with boost) you will basically get almost the same performance like mine. You can check my testing games to see what to expect but I think with 2 more cores on 5900H would make better improvements on 1080p. From my experience, in some games my 3060 still flactuating with my 5600H on 1080p. So 2 more cores would fix that prolly.

[@MrHamof]

5:10 Nah, that cache is split between the CCDs, so it'll be the same as on Desktop. The 9s will be marginally faster than the 7, but only because it's boost clock when only using one CCD is a little higher because of binning. In games that actually try to use both CCDs, it'll be slower due to the latency involved. Fortunately most games are smart enough to avoid that. As before, the 7 will be as high as you actually want to go if gaming is all you do, and the 5 will be much better value. Assuming the pricing makes sense.

[@Hatsunari_Kamado]

AMD new naming scheme: Generation (start from 1 -> 2017 to 7 -> 2023) + Model number (1,2 = Athlon; 3 onwards = Ryzen 3, 5, 7, 9) + Arch number (1 = Zen(+), 2 = Zen 2, 3 = Zen 3(+), 4 = Zen 4(+), 5 = Zen 5) + Feature number (0 = Low end, 5 = High end) + Model suffix (U = Low power, C = Low power Chromebook, HS = Thin performance, HX = Ultra performance) Holy cow.

[@simster2759]

The CPU jumps over last couple years are getting insane with the up to 32 threads laptops have now kinda shocking when I was just feeling great going from the 4/8 7700HQ to 8/16 11800H Feb 2022 now it's doubled. If only GPUs could make similar jumps... Having only a slight bump over a 3060 to show is a bit disappointing and I expect not much from NVIDIA well atleast not counting the 4090 no one could afford.

[@JM-kn9dh]

Well the 4050 laptops will start at $1000 so i doubt anything good comes from Nvidia either. Did AMD announce pricing?

[@Nersius]

It's not too bad when you consider that it's a desktop 3060, but seems like all the gpu performance gains are in raytracing and ai 'false' frames.

[@Hubwood]

So no real update on APUs... :(

[@Luka_Nogalo]

The naming scheme is great for tech enthusiasts but terrible for average consumers

[@Soraviel]

Agreed

[@wakabi2191]

0:45. That Market Segement is beyond confusing. What do you mean 8 or 7 for ryzen 7????? What does the Market Segment number '6', that is the second number, what does it meam in the list? What is x8xx what is that? What does the x at the front and the two x's at the back of the number mean?

[@steveco1800]

Sounds like the 7600M will be around the current performance of 3070 laptops. The new tech sounds good but it all comes down to prices.

[@noneB974]

unimpressed by 8gb vram tho. Think I have to pickup 4080 or 4090 laptop

[@steveco1800]

@@noneB974 Agree, it seems like they've really cut down the 4070 with less cores and bandwidth and no RAM increase. Sure the clock speed will make up for it and 8gb is enough for 1440p ATM, but considering how much it'll probably cost I'd want something that'll last longer.

[@noneB974]

@@steveco1800 they have changed names this year round so 4070 is actually an upgrade of 4060. 4080 is the 3070 upgrade then 4090 is for 3080ti. Kinda stupid ngl haha. Yeah I got the legion 7i 3080ti 2022 model in november but returned it knowin 4000 series is coming in January but this seems a bit disappointing. I hope the prices are same or less

[@AdmiralBison]

Can't wait to see the performance of the 7800u series and 780m gpu in PC gaming handhelds, because that category is going to boom this year.

[@Bloodin28]

Unfortunately, 780M is only offered in 35 Watt 7040 HS processors for now, so we must wait for U processors with RDNA3 graphics. Don't know if it will happen anytime soon... or ever...

[@johnnyxp64]

What is annoying is the damn availability @AMD in Europe there still serving as the 5000 series not even the 6000 are anywhere to be found or if you find them +20% more expensive!

[@SerCommander]

7:15 I've had a 192bit bus in GTX460M in MSI GT680, that is a 2010 laptop!

[@ShivamSingh-it7hc]

I think the naming scheme is much better now, it explicitly shows the tiers of processors. It's just that it'll take time to get used to.

[@freaky425]

no it is not, it is solely made to scam people. cause 90% people will see new name and buy the cheap shit. not everyone who goes to buy laptop knows company's bs

[@doge-of-venice]

10:07 I remember seeing Emdoor in AMD's last year laptop GPU press release; I don't remember the exact wording AMD used for their laptop, but the idea I got was that they were an ODM who would license the design of that laptop like what Tongfang does.

[@owlmostdead9492]

A 7945HX without dedicated GPU is a programmers dream machine, give it 64-128GB of RAM, along with 99.9Wh battery and you're set for everything but machine learning/other GPU dependent stuff.

[@ИванГадияк]

well, it is possible anyway to switch off the dGPU, but as the test have shown it is not always necessary, sometimes with optimus enabled u can get better battery life than only on iGPU. Yep, U'll have to pay a lot more for GPU, but often laptops that are made for work (and the one u mentioned is for work) can cost more expensive than gaming ones with same specs.

[@user-pq4by2rq9y]

If that's dragon range, the integrated gpu should be as powerful as a 3050 with more vram. It would be a decent option for light gaming as well.

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

this is exactly the goal for this year, to get such a laptop and work on it anywhere

[@owlmostdead9492]

@@ИванГадияк That is most likely only going to work in Windows, Linux on the other hand is more of a pain in the ass with Nvidia GPU's and general power management is a lot worse with dedicated GPU's on Linux.

[@dd22koopaesverde58]

no because they have 2cu rdna 2 the zen 4 rdna3 will have 12 cus rdna 3 providinga 1650-3050 depend if is a U version or a hs version and the tdp memory speed...

[@nishantshokeen4279]

Cpu department is fine but they lack in gpu side. Navi 33 is all they are offering in mobile category.

[@Supcharged]

Should come in nobody's surprise when they needed the power hungry Navi 31 with massive 384bit memory bus to compete with the AD103 on the desktop side. That cant fit into laptops by just lowering power limits.

[@nishantshokeen4279]

@@Supcharged what do you think a laptop, with 4080 desktop cuda cores with lower power limits, can loose against amd Higher tier mobile sku, when their drivers are not in top shape?

[@niebuhr6197]

Navi32 will also be on laptops, 200% certain.

[@nishantshokeen4279]

@@niebuhr6197 let's hope so. But what good a silicon if its driver is lack lustre.

[@johndoh5182]

The extra cache going to the 12 - 16 core Dragon Range are due to this being chiplet based isn't it? So, as is the case with desktop CPUs that doubling of cache doesn't really improve gaming, the extra clock speed does since AMD boosts the 12 - 16 core parts faster. For gaming the 8 core part is going to be the best bang for the buck or that's what I would expect especially if AMD and the laptop vendors allow you to OC, unless there's a lot of variation among the APUs rolling out of the factory to where the parts being used to make the 12 - 16 core APU are just faster. Gen 4 or 5 won't make a difference for NVMe in laptops. There's nothing else feeding data that quickly to them and for any gen5 drive that can exceed gen4 speed, it's only in sustained reading where it could make a difference, with large files. So, trivial really. It will make more of a difference in desktop if you have other devices that can receive or send data fast enough to match that speed. Even with DirectStorage when it shows up in games, it won't matter because 8GB/s is easily faster than the original standard. For the 78% faster with the Cinebench mult-core you'd have to know the power level they tested at. AMD lists the top end at 75W+. Well, that + could be pretty large depending on the laptop vendor so my first guess is it's going to be up to the vendor on the power limit they set and how much improvement there will be. And to explain what happens in moving from monolithic to chiplet, you use more power going to chiplets. The advantage of chiplets is NOT total power consumption, it's cost savings from better usage of the wafer the die is put on. It's also being able to use difference nodes so a cost savings there possibly. But what happens is you have to push signals from one chiplet to another and that takes more power than pushing signals on the same die. So it will be interesting to see what comes out from each vendor, the power draw of Dragon Range should be less than the Intel 13th gen 24c/32t part so this should allow a bigger power budget for the GPU.

[@gagan.dee.p]

Randomness has already started. People will be suckered into buying a "gaming/high-performance laptop" with the "latest Ryzen/Intel" multicore CPU and "Nvidia/AMD" graphics advertisements/listings. Without knowing what they are actually getting for their money.

[@himanologanor4093]

sounds great ! the 7000 series already had the 65 watts eco mode so they clearly were prepared for mobile, plus you don`t have that huge blob of copper everybody complained about, my HX is directly liquid metal on a vapor chamber eating 94 watts in hard tests so if i see a 16 cores monster in a laptop i`ll be sure to get one

[@indianbot0077]

Can some smart guy here help me a good gaming laptop near 1000$ 🌞💐🌹

[@dd22koopaesverde58]

my desktop dont even get more than 80 wats and is only for a few seconds it down to 65w fast the 80w turbo boost is small

[@Quast]

I think 88W Eco mode was the lowest one where you didn't drop beneath the previous' models performance...

[@dd22koopaesverde58]

@@Quast eco is 65w

[@kusumayogi7956]

Why don't called 7040 a "P" or "G" series for Phoenix with bigger iGPU and left "H" series for 16 cores cpu with smaller iGPU

[@owlmostdead9492]

But of course 7 = 2023 and x4xx = Ryzen 3 makes total sense. God I hate when marketing is in charge of naming things.

[@kborak]

I don't see how asking people to put in the effort of doing some research before spending that much money on a product, is any way at all, a problem.

[@draconis9766]

I think another big element between the AMD and Intel lineup shown at 5:51 is that intel has over double the power range. That's big for laptops, as long as it can be cooled.

[@MLWJ1993]

It says 75W+. The + is rather important for context, it could mean anything beyond 75W.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Finally will upgrade to 8 core Zen 4 and RTX 4060 laptop after 5 years with my Helios 300 2018 with i5-8300H and 1050Ti.

[@bugbuster8598]

I'm still rocking my AERO 15X with GTX1070 and i7-8750H. This generation might convince me to upgrade 😁

[@neverendinchaos4800]

I'm excited to see how it all turns out. I was rocking an i7 8700 and GTX 1070 too until I sold my desktop late last year. Now I'm running on my 10-year old ASUS laptop with an i5 2540m and Intel HD Graphics 3000. So yeah, I'm looking forward to an upgrade.😅

[@rashmiranjan9149]

at 5:43 80mb vs 36mb wrong it should be L2+L3 80mb vs 68mb or L3 64mb vs 36mb cache

[@clarkisaac6372]

I just checked the AMD website, they will also be showing people 12 core versions for real, but only in Ryzen 9 lineup and all R7000 models come with Radeon graphics units

[@KellyWu04]

The 7745HX and 7945HX have the same cache for gaming purposes - 7945HX just has another CCD with cache, which makes it seem like there’s a doubling of cache, but each core still only has 32 MB of L3 like the 7745HX. Dragon Range is in fact just Raphael, and the desktop 7700X was just as fast as the 7950X in games, despite only having half the L3 cache.

[@RurouTube]

HX (7045) is basically repurposed desktop CPU, probably better binned, thus the spec (except for clock speed) is exactly like Zen 4 desktop. This is different than the previous flagship AMD laptop CPU which is using laptop CPU. For me, 7040 is more interesting. This CPU is the actual laptop CPU. Combination of better node, much better iGPU, and of course the AI engine, this is basically the CPU you want to get if you actually want a laptop and not simply a desktop replacement.

[@craighutchinson6856]

Dragon range looks great wondering if 3d cache is coming to laptops with dragon range

[@OTechnology]

Goddamnit just when AMD "unconfusinged" their naming on the last gen.

[@lief1]

3:54 It only works that way if you also double power consumption

[@6TheBACH]

I want to believe AMD is gonna switch to powerful APU solutions for their mobile/laptop productions, but it's gonna take a while for manufactures to came up with decen thermal and overall chasis solutions. Rejoice budget gamers, the laptop market looks bright as ever.

[@sebastianode4994]

but their z1 and z1 actually does close to ps5 performance ( the z1 extreme ) as it have around 8Teraflops. but it is for handhelds , but ihope some laptop will equip this chip too ,bc i believe its budget but can do everthing like for editing etc and mainstream gaming

[@ИванГадияк]

Well, U'll have a huge amount of work to do testing all this new CPUs

[@JarrodsTech]

That's for sure!

[@pin2xpress430]

@@JarrodsTech *Bro AMD Hide FSR 3, Hyper RX Gaming Benchmark In CES 2023 ?* 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@CephDigital]

Why no high end laptop GPUs AMD? :(

[@JarrodsTech]

Good question! Maybe saving it for Computex (mid-year)?

[@_A.d.G_]

Maybe nobody wanted it. GPP?

[@The_Bo]

@Jarrod'sTech 1:32 LP-DDR5-6400 RAM have been dropped with this iteration?

[@JarrodsTech]

According to that, could just be too early and maybe it will be updated, not sure

[@colin_actually]

Feels like AMD really dropped the ball this year. Don't know if it is supply or scheduling but they clearly missed the boat on the new laptop cycle. Kinda bummed because I was hoping for RTX 4000 series machines with AMD CPUs for that balance of performance and battery life, and a lot of the good Ryzen models from last year (see: Asus) are switching to Intel chips. Maybe there will be some mid-season updates.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Same here, I can definitely sacrifice some performance in favor of much better battery life. I am eager hoping for a Zen 4 8 core 7745HX with an RTX 4060.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@DeepteshLovesTECH It looks like Lenovo might be the only one giving AMD a chance this year. Asus seems to be giving the 🖕 to AMD this year, to the point I might not buy Asus this year at all for my sister, who needs a touch screen laptop with good battery life, something most Intel laptops in 2022 did not have (the latter I mean).

[@mcslender2965]

@@cameronbosch1213 If your sis needs discreet GPU the Asus Flow x13 is still there

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@mcslender2965 That's the only laptop I'd consider this year...

[@ContraVsGigi]

It could be a matter of prices. Maybe AMD asked for more money and they were not willing to pay that amount.

[@BCSpikeFM]

Is it just me or does Dragon Range look near identical to desktop Zen 4?

[@Alovon]

Honestly sort of find it sad laptop manufacturers stay with Intel because they get a few % faster scores in tests/games....at the cost of relatively atrocious battery life and making the laptop a jet engine even when not plugged in or using a GPU intensive task. Like seriously, Intel needs to get their battery life problems for Laptop CPUs with DGPUs sorted out as 12th gen DESPITE HAVING DEDICATED EFFICENCY CORES somehow ended up worse than 11th gen in battery life sometimes when being paired with a Dedicated GPU...even when doing tasks that shouldn't enable the GPU. These are laptops, if I buy a Zephyrus G16 or M16, I'm not buying it as a desktop replacer, I'm buying it as a thin(ner) device that still has a good bit of power when I need to take it away from the outlet, not a device that will burn itself out to empty within 2 hours when watching KZbin

[@cameronbosch1213]

And that's why Lenovo seems to be getting it with their Legion 7! I heard that they will still have both Intel & Nvidia options, as well as AMD & Nvidia options (unfortunately, no more AMD Advantage version this year, although there was no AMD & Nvidia option last year, so this may be a plus or minus, depending on OS).

[@cameronbosch1213]

100% agree. I'm not denying the raw power of Intel, but why can't they get OEMs to JUST use the E cores on battery!? If that isn't possible, then why add them in the first place other than for misleading advertising!?

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

Well they are using zen4 with high end GPUs or we have zen3 with mid to low end GPUs, there is no point to pair 7945hx with anything below rtx 3080/rx 6800xt. Have a friend with r5-4600u with gtx 1660ti and getting only CPU bottolneck in some games like warzone 2.

[@Endelite]

Cinebench just doesn't tend to perfectly scale with cores and threads, from what I've seen. Was 7 zip better for this? Linpack I know at least scales better with more power than Cinebench does. (Buildzoid at least has shown this). You'd still think it'd be closer to double Dragon Range) given the jump from Zen 3 to Zen 4 though.

[@olivr_wtf]

So if I want the best of the best for a laptop, I should be considering the 7600M XT more than 7700S correct? I do not care about heat, power draw, or price. 7600M XT should be the way right or does the 7700S also packs a punch equally?

[@dwayneholmes6856]

Hey bro, I just got my son a Alienware M17 R5 AMD and when he plays Grand Theft 5 RP he loses picture of the building and streets. What do you think is the problem?

[@R.B.90]

Im new to following pc tech, I am mostly interested in handheld gaming pc's (thanks steamdeck), I know the Ryzen 7 6800u was a game changer last year. Which of these processors would be the next iteration of that series? Also, which gpu is the next iteration of the Radeon 680m? I'm just curious what improvements will we see in that market this year.

[@Quast]

Since I'm looking at the same part of the market I can tell you it's the 7040U (the 7045 will just be the version with substantially less CUs and just more cache) - though I still have no idea how we will know how many CUs the CPU has, since there was only info on the max. number of CUs o.o so no idea how many CPUs there will be for the U segment.

[@R.B.90]

@Quast that was my guess based on how he explained the chart in this vid. Thank you for clarifying

[@Ultra_Sauce]

Yeah, having bought a laptop with a 5900HX I felt absolutely cheated

[@marcin_karwinski]

That's the possible problem, how many of those laptop parts will be found in laptops available at retail worldwide... except for G14 or G15 or similar Asus products, there were almost none of the higher grade components all AMD designs in 2022 in most retailers. A short trek to a shop or a visit on a site, and components have found many Intel or Nvidia sporting models, but almost none of AMD advantage lines, especially those with great other components and great chassis designs... I'm not counting the AMD Asus slim X models with AMD APU and eGPU, cause they still came with nVidia dGPUs inside... maybe this year we'll finally see some more all AMD ones, but bearing in mind there's no mention of higher dGPUs to fight with 4090s in laptops and Intel is smashing records with their halo i9 13th gen, it could be even harder to get those. Plus the brands mentioned look like some Clevo sourcing small boutique shops with maybe a single AMD provided chassis design, just with different finishing touches applied. The big players available worldwide seem to be missing and their own showcases at CES focused on Intel+nVidia designs (maybe due to some contract restrictions of AMD presenting their stack later the companies were forced to be tight-lipped but then they should have been mentioned in the AMD partners offering sections).

[@anujjena7758]

Which one would be a better choice 7745Hx or 7840HS when paired with an RTX 4060?

[@sirmrmcjack2167]

Will the new and cpus finally have more than 12 pcie lanes? Would be nice for them to bind 16 to dedicated cpus and 4 for pcie drives.

[@faridgasimov1742]

Are there any limitations with AMD vs Intel aside from performance? Driver and other optimization issues etc? Is there a risk bumping into compatibility issues when buying AMD these days? What if you bundle it with AMD graphics?

[@jay-5061]

Amd has no other disadvantages.

[@Yengineered]

Only thunderbolt 4 is missing for AMD for most laptops. Most people don't use TB4 so it's not much of a concern. Battery, cost, performance wise, it varies a lot. It depends a lot on the laptop manufacturer as well.

[@NikosRentas]

In Canada, I noticed the last few months a lot of laptops being advertised as 2022 but with 2021 specs. I only realized it when I looked to see how to upgrade the ram on a few and noticed it was previous models with the new models not available anywhere. After all the videos I have watched this one is the first to make note of the naming craziness. Consumers really need to look at the specs before buying so they are not surprised.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

I am highly interested in getting a Zen 4 laptop to replace my aging 8th-gen Intel one. Glad to be following this channel, as I know JT will have all the information I need to make a purchase.

[@saricubra2867]

I built an i7-12700K PC. Moore's Law is dead, annoying fan noise and thermal throttling on current laptops.

[@GatoPaint]

wait so the problem is not about those 16 core GPUs ? clickbait ! . good video :P

[@KenjiYoshizato]

Looking forward for the tests, this year seems like to be promissing (:

[@unclesam8565]

Navi 32 is still being worked on. No point to release performance numbers since driver team still busy improving the optimizations for Navi3x in general. The Navi33 is monolithic lower end die. Just throw it out to attract mainstream gamers.

[@budchiscuit]

it's now march where are these 7945HX laptops that supposedly released in february

[@jakepaucarpura8298]

Legion pro 7i with intel cpu or AMD cpu? With a 4090 gpu. Idk which to choose, the AMD version is $100 cheaper

[@joshpeck9266]

So I’m kind of confused where are the high and AMD GPUs??

[@malthusg1115]

Thank you for making us aware of this confusing naming scheme. Seems very anti consumer

[@d5811]

So, ryzen 7 7745hx or ryzen 9 7945hx, which is better option?

[@kodeth5200]

While I love the in depth stuff offered by Jarrod.. I feel like sometimes these things are over thought, like sure you'll get more benefits over zen3 to zen 3+ to zen4 but how many of us are actually using this to their full? Not many, in desktops these things matter, but in laptops you can still get away with 2070 ti or 3050... and intel 10th gen .. like getting hyped every year is pointless just pick a model watch reviews and depending on your requirements buy the laptop, coz remember this no matter how good the laptop is at launch itll be surpassed by 4 months of time,

[@goingviral8917]

I wanna buy a budget laptop like the vivobook OLED 15 or 16 with the new amd cpu and a decent graphics so I can do video editing. I olly have £550 to spend. Please tell me I can get one

[@drreg2513]

I hope I'll find thin laptop with 32gb ram, good cpu and good battery life this year for work and 30-60fps gaming.

[@RomanBekela]

I'm going to buy a laptop and the only option i have is mac ryzen 9 5700 h series is it good and will it last

[@Frencho9]

Dammit AMD did not release 3D V-Cache versions for the Dragon Range mobile CPUs. Sigh, I guess next year then...

[@boris3973]

One could argue people that don't know / care about which architecture sits in their laptop also don't mind much whether their single thread performance is 15% up or down.

[@ИванГадияк]

Well, really can't wait to see the performance of all new CPUs and GPUs, at this point I'm disappointed that asus decided to drop AMD CPUs in their strix scar 16/18. But prices, I'm really afraid now that they could be much higher, not slightly, but much (hello idiocracy of nvidia with 4070ti...., several % better than 3080 that was released 2! years ago and 100$ more expensive and no reference versions). Hope they won't forget that it is possible to play all the games on 500$ machines that runs them not bad. Always have been an PC gamer, but If they do increase prices and I'll have to pay for good laptop kinda of 2000$, I'll just have to switch to consoles and that's it...

[@johndoh5182]

Dude, do you do the same thing with Intel APUs for laptops, call it one BIG problem? Intel has used multiple lines of cores for any given year for how long? It's not a PROBLEM. AMD explains their part numbers so people can buy what it is they think they're buying. But, laptops get reviewed so people can see how the different part numbers perform, right?

[@yazendaddi9127]

Do you think there will be a full amd g14 again like the 2022 model? Or they will only keep the nvidia gpus.

[@romanromero5099]

AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX supports PCIE 5.0, so why have you stated it only supports gen 4 ssd? Isn't gen 5 ssd using pcie 5.0 link?

[@ickunmatze]

I don't mind them using up old processor stock, as long as the price reflects the performance. but that's often not a given sadly.

[@christianmbabazi9722]

Are there not releasing a 7800m or MTX version this year? Cuz I know last year 6800M had 12gb

[@vmafarah9473]

My 8 core 11800h is getting 14022 points in cinebench r23 while 14core 12700h is getting 16740 points, how is that possible?

[@JarrodsTech]

Depends on power limits

[@pin2xpress430]

@@JarrodsTech *Bro AMD Hide FSR 3, Hyper RX Gaming Benchmark In CES 2023 ?* 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@brahmasthaandipramana7591]

Depends of the power limit. And you need to remember that E core is weaker than the P core.

[@youyoue4260]

is the 8 gig on the rx 7600m xt going to be too little thus dead on arrival?

[@chillidog8726]

The don't like it either even tho it's just different syntax with the same semantics it can be confuseing. But the reason that this happened is that the HS is based on Phoenix APUs and HX is based on Desktop parts and the mobile version of Ryzen 7000 Desktop is out (Dragon range) But phoenix is not out yet(7040 series).

[@GerryReid]

Wait no razer mentioned as an amd partner this year?

[@cameronbosch1213]

Razer Blade 14 wasn't great though because of RAM limits.

[@robertstan298]

Just to nitpick: In your example... 7945HS doesn't exist. 7045 imply (desktop derivate) "Dragon Range", HX only. Were as HS (and U) is pretty much only Phoenix, AKA 7040. Don't know if intentional or not, but you sure proved your point about confusion. 😅

[@7lllll]

looks like ryzen will win in laptops, but radeon will lose, so the best options are ones with amd cpus with nvidia gpus

[@mmadevgame]

I have lenovo z16, looking forward to get something like z16 v2, or xps-like laptop with new AMD zen4 cpus for even more battery life.

[@ananthakrishnan6556]

Which model would you prefer in budget segment r74800h or i5 11th gen.

[@reaper7910]

Are you also gonna cover the new laptops that Acer and MSI have announced at CES? Oh and that look of disbelief at 1:47 really had me laughing

[@JarrodsTech]

Yes! Coming up in the next few hours/days.

[@vasudevmenon2496]

I think it's been a decade since m18 came with mxm 7970m and now it has ryzen 7000Hx and Radeon 7000 series. I am most interested in HS with optimised performance and power. Would be better if ryzen ai module can be used in MATLAB, specperf and other scientific or programming. I would skip optimus version or mx version for HS and U series with rdna3 GPU is powerful enough and less heat and more battery life. Then again ryzen variants are hard to find and most of them are soldered dram/ssd/wifi which i don't like.

[@leventebandi]

XMG already confirmed they will have amd powered gaming laptops in their few days old roadmap news on their website

[@cameronbosch1213]

Eluktronics too? (Since both Eluktronics and XMG are using the same TongFang chassis, will there be an Eluktronics Mech-15 update? I didn't really think the 2022 offerings were that competitive...)

[@leventebandi]

@@cameronbosch1213 so far they only talked about their new rtx40xx laptops and both comes with intel cpu. Time will tell

[@ragingdemon9868]

Ideally I want 7945 16 core with mid-range (lower power consumption) AMD graphics card, and 64 GB ram. Previous generations of AMD 8 core + Nvidia graphics gave me a ton of issues under Windows. Honestly if this year there is not going to be a 16 core dna4 + amd graphics laptop option, I will likely go toward Intel high core count cpu + midrange nvidia graphics option (and hoping the battery life is decent).

[@Yippee342]

Bro in which order you would rank I51240P, Ryzen 5 5600H and i5 11400H on the basis of overall performance?(CPU, GPU and everything related to performance combined)?

[@heunehbsbdhvshbd4456]

Can someone explain to me why my lenovo ideapad gaming 3 battery is draining while on chargeur and playing heavy games ?

[@Ali13445]

With AMD CPU’s being on less laptops this year, we can expect the average battery life and power efficiency to be worse especially with Nvidias 40 series which is very unfortunate for the average person who likes to game yet has to be away from an outlet most of the time

[@Voidstroyer]

Not necessarily. We can already see on the desktop variants that Nvidia 40 series is actually more efficient than AMD RDNA3. So maybe a laptop with a ryzen cpu and an nvidia gpu might actually be the best combination this year in terms of battery life

[@GerryReid]

@@Voidstroyer this is my hope, hoping g14 or blade 14 will be more efficient

[@Ali13445]

@@Voidstroyer perhaps you have a point there. Hopefully there can be a laptop that can match the previous gen g15 and g14s battery life

[@B1-K4R]

The 40 series is more effectient than rdna3 If anything battery life will improve because of the 40 series nore

[@GerryReid]

@@B1-K4R don't mix up gpu with cpu

[@prem3548]

I think a combo of AMD launching stuff late and not launching high end laptop GPUs is probably why they are not in a lot of the stuff. Personally, AMD laptops have been amazing in my experience as they are cheaper and the battery life on them is way better. Hopefully around summer they will launch 3D cache variants of these and more powerful RDNA 3 gpus. Also the reason they are probably not launching higher end RDNA 3 gpus is probably because they are chiplet based so, it probably is gonna take them more time to get those things right.