AMD Mendocino | Athlon Gold 7220U | Preview of AYN Loki Mini? | Benchmarks, Emulation, PC Gaming

[@retrotechdad]

AYA announced that the Air Plus will be using the Ryzen 7520U variant of the Mendocino. The 7520U and 7220U share the same Radeon 610M graphics. The CPU is stronger in the 7520U (4c/8t and boosts to 4.3GHz) so expect better CPU performance especially for emulation. It should be interesting to see what AYA will price the Air Plus.

[@thefluffchucker1424]

Could you do a video like this on the “Intel I3 1215u” it’s supposed to be offered on the Ayn loki mini pro and the Aya Neo air plus

[@MRRAWRAW1]

Do you have any idea if this chipset would be able to compete with the chipset in the pimax portal

[@MRRAWRAW1]

I'm extremely interested in these chipsets part of the pre-order for the Loki minipro, I do have a lot of reservations about the pimax anyways because of the detachable controllers

[@Pridetoons]

The Best part about the Mendocino Chipset is it should be able to squeeze more Performance out of Lower TDPs which is great for Battery Life.

[@retrotechdad]

Yes, especially looking at the emulation! Gamecube at 5w or so? Insane.

[@Joey-dl6nm]

@@retrotechdad 5w tdp will last how you many hours?

[@carlos2004]

this is exactly the video i had been hoping to find. thank you very much. i thought about pre ordering the loki zero when it was at $199, but then it went up to $249 so i have started considering the loki mini instead. really glad to all the different games benchmarked on the 7220 mendocino since now i know what performance to expect from the mini.

[@retrotechdad]

I would definitely go for the Mini over the Zero. Honestly, I really do believe that AYN should just eliminate the Zero from their lineup.

[@TheObserver85]

Get the Mini Pro. The battery is 26WH on the Mini. Unless AYN does end up making it bigger?

[@kylechilders7918]

Keep in mind that the Loki Mini has a 1080p screen while retro tech dad ran all of his benchmarks at 720p. That's going to have an effect on performance.

[@kamien__]

​@@kylechilders7918 you can change the resolution

[@artvoy1]

Great job as always , this seems great for budget oriented handhelds. Looking forward to see what handheld release with Mendocino first

[@retrotechdad]

Same here, I guess we will have to wait and see if the Loki Mini will actually release with it. 🤞

[@harleyn3089]

@@retrotechdad I'll be curious to see if Ayn gets the Loki out anytime this spring, and also whether Anbernic beats them to the punch by releasing something they haven't revealed yet. I have a Win600, which I like a lot. It's an excellent Batocera machine. It's been my most used device of any kind since the day I got it. But now that I realized how much I like x86 handhelds, I might upgrade at some point. I'm seriously considering the GPD Win 4. But in 2024 we'll probably have Ryzen 7 7740U handhelds, which should be the followup to the 6800U. I realize if I always wait for the next thing I'll never upgrade, but I'm thinking I could enjoy the Win600 for another year and then get a 7740U to replace it.

[@retrotechdad]

Same, I think AYN is over promising and really just needs to focus on a product at a time until they can scale up properly. The 6800u is definitely a beast, but for sure if you can keep enjoying your Win600 then that is the smarter move. Save yourself the money and see where the market stands in a few months/year from now.

[@ca9inec0mic58]

@@retrotechdad do you think the i3 1215U would be better?

[@8lacKhawKtheRIPPER]

To anyone thinking about getting the AYN Mini - please consider getting the Mini Pro instead. Not because it uses the slightly better 7320u, but because it has a proper 40.5Wh Battery instead of just 26.5 (!). A lot of people seem to ignore that one. If you're not planning on having it plugged in all the time, which kinda sucks for a handheld device, just get the Pro variant. That being said, thanks for the comparison, Rob! I'd argue that most of the actual gains stem from the LPDDR5 memorys massively increased bandwidth, but that can indeed be quite noticable with some titles. I am defintely considering changing my preorder from a Zero to a Mini Pro at this point. I mean, they changed the expected shipping date from q4 '22 to q2 '23 now, so... guess I still got plenty of time to think about that. 🙃

[@argentinaomuerte]

what did you end up doing? i've been thinking of going for the loki mini pro too. do you reckon it should emulate 3DS and Gamecube with no issues? Thanks!

[@8lacKhawKtheRIPPER]

@@argentinaomuerte I cancelled my preorder entirely because money was getting a bit tight and the delays annoyed me. I could probably just buy one of these down the line if they turn out to be decent. Or buy one of the competitors, there will be a crap ton of these around. 🙃 Judging by this video, the performance should be more than fine for that use case~ Maybe look up some more benchmarks for this processor jic. I do have to say though - emulating 3DS games on a single screen makes playing a bit weird and I could never quite get into that. Used 3DSs are dirt cheap and putting a hacked firmware onto 'em has gotten damn easy, so I might just outright recommend doing that instead. I had a great time with my XL for many years~

[@argentinaomuerte]

@@8lacKhawKtheRIPPER thanks for your response! I thought about getting a 3DS or a 2DS XL, but they're way too expensive in my country in comparison just to be able to emulate 3DS (I have a DSi XL). I think I'll just wait for the loki mini pro to release, because my other options are the odin lite and the RP3+ and they can't run GC/PS2/3DS very well. I will have to find another web to buy the loki tho since they don't ship to my country lol

[@clausjahnel5379]

@migi Having used the Odin lite a lot for the last six months doing mainly PS2 and GC/Wii and I can assure you it plays these very well. There may be some tinkering needed here and there, but most games can run on 1080p or above. 3DS is something else, as the Citra emulator just started to consider optimisations for the d900 chip of the lite. But it made quite some progress in the last weeks and I'm sure it will be really good in a few months. Never felt any regret for sending my money to AYN, this device is crazy good, especially for the price.

[@argentinaomuerte]

@@clausjahnel5379 thank you very much! That really out things in perspective

[@bamcorpgaming5954]

Thanks for the callout. Happy you found an alternative. Keep up the good work man love your vids. (Also an incredible shame that they soldered the ram). Though this seems like a decent chip for a hand-held, especially since it beats the win 600 so handily. Might pick one up

[@retrotechdad]

Yes, it's a substantial improvement over the Win600 especially with its power usage!

[@handheldgaming4life]

Great testing, I'm starting to look forward again to my Mendocino ordered Loki. Not sure why i bought a Win 600, I have a Steam Deck, but I love underdog devices and strangely I'm enjoying my Win 600 a lot, Loki should be great.

[@retrotechdad]

Agreed, there's just something fun about messing with underpowered tech.

[@rokko_fable]

I also fall into this trap. If I took all the money from all the low powered devices, I could probably buy one high powered laptop and play everything beautifully. Lol But there is just something enjoyable about trying to see what is possible on low end cheap hardware.

[@MRRAWRAW1]

This was extremely well broken down and explained thx for the video

[@retrotechdad]

Thank you for that, I really appreciate it! 🙏

[@PonisaurioRex]

I have been looking for a video like this for days, you have mi like and mi follow.

[@gusibiza]

In performance CPU Mark: AMD Ryzen 3 7320U = 9175. AMD Athlon Gold 7220U = 4958 (7320U is 46% more powerful than 7220U)

[@retrotechdad]

I’m actually getting a 7320u handheld so I’ll be able to do some real world testing! Pretty excited about it

[@johnsducks9816]

Gotta love these apus. They make me very excited for the future. Soon every laptop will be a gaming laptop.

[@retrotechdad]

That's always my favorite thing when reading reviews on some laptop with an AMD APU. "Can't play games", oh really? Hold my 🍺. 🤣😅

[@bhirawamaylana466]

Locking Bios is beyond evil, just what company thinking for do that.

[@retrotechdad]

💯Agreed, don't buy HP!

[@samgoff5289]

Most all laptops do this except super high end ones. It has more to do with them being to lazy to set up a bios interface that is configurable...they save a couple dollars and to them easily worth it, sucks

[@marcogonzalez8779]

good and very detailed review. congratulations. great job. this is very good new GEN AMD APUS and accesible price......

[@WMARUoriginal]

Really surprising performance out of this budget chip!

[@retrotechdad]

Very much agree, I can't believe that RDNA2 tech with just 2 CUs.

[@Lovelandmark]

@@retrotechdad Not only doing more with less cores, but also (presumably) lower power requirement as well. That new architecture and LPDDR5 memory surely helps

[@maritrunks]

Great video, thanks for sharing!

[@retrotechdad]

Thank you for coming by and watching! 🙏💗

[@babyface6151]

Quality content ! keep the hard work it will pay off :D !!!

[@retrotechdad]

Thank you, I really appreciate it! 🙏🤗

[@The_Blind_Gamer]

Loved breath of the wild. It’s a magical game and amazing how this can run with such low power. YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS AMAZING ! Destiny 2 hoop on some time. Miss you man.

[@retrotechdad]

🤣🤣🤗

[@ninjason57]

This is exactly the info I needed to differentiate all the unnecessary options for the Loki

[@retrotechdad]

I'm glad it was helpful! 🙏 I'm hoping to do some work with the i3-1215u next. 🤞🤞

[@i.e.monroe9048]

Looking forward to it!

[@HuntaKiller91]

Can u do a follow-up with more titles? Something like genshin impact,mw2,gta v, apex legends and even more titles for test🤭

[@retrotechdad]

Yes, I'm actually working on a follow-up video with just PC gameplay!

[@HuntaKiller91]

@@retrotechdad im curious Does it come with radeon super res support?

[@mindnova7850]

The production quality of this video is actually on par with some of the more well known KZbinrs. Keep up the good work! Also HP sucks. I also have a gaming laptop from late 2019 from them and I can’t change ANY performance settings in the BIOS.

[@retrotechdad]

Thank you for your comment, I really appreciate that! 🙏💗

[@pvtnewb]

Just wanna put this here, I can overclock the integrated GPU to 2.8-2.9GHz with UXTU, but for this to be feasible, I gotta increase the power limit or the cpu will be starved. Anyways, I've been surprised at how capable this little machine is, I got the Aspire A314-23P 7220U, it's perfect for some light gaming when I'm on holidays.

[@retrotechdad]

Oooh, I know what I'll be messing around with this weekend. 💗🙏

[@MushroomDev]

AYN states the loki mini comes with 8GB LPDDR5 clocked at 6400 MHz but AMD says on the product page that the chip only supports up to 5500 MHz . The extra speed on the Ram would be awesome for the APU but i doupbt they can pull it of.

[@Pridetoons]

The only difference is the Mendocino Loki Mini Pro is using the 7320U not the 7220U.

[@retrotechdad]

Yes, which is $20 more than the 7220u Loki Mini they are planning. AYN has got too many SKUs, it's too confusng!

[@rev_pizzaguy8530]

What kind of temp difference (if any) are you seeing swapping MX4 for the stock TIM? Or are you seeing it able to maintain higher frequencies/wattage for longer periods?

[@retrotechdad]

Pretty minor, at least in the laptop. The main motivation for using MX4 was to put it on parity with my Win600 and compare temperatures between the two chipsets with the MX4 applied. I have to say I am very impressed by the Mendocino thermals!

[@rev_pizzaguy8530]

@@retrotechdad I picked up the Acer A315-24P with the Ryzen 3 7320U for the heck of it to check out Mendocino and noticed a pretty large temp diff when I swapped the stock TIM with Arctic MX-5. I was getting a max of 92C @ 24W and 3.59GHz after 10 minutes load with stock. With MX-5, I was getting a steady 79C-80C @ 25W and 3.67GHz after 10 minutes. Stock TIM was definitely holding the CPU back. I was pretty surprised at the diff, but I kept everything the same between runs to eliminate variables (same position, same lid angle, same room temp, etc).

[@kuroneko057]

Hi ! Nice video. On my Aya Neo 2021 (4800U) I have the black sky shtick when playing Burnout 3.

[@retrotechdad]

Which version of PCSX2 are you using? The black sky issue should be fixed in v1.7.0

[@kuroneko057]

@@retrotechdad Thanks, I have an older version but haven't touched my Neo for months sadly.

[@astralpowers]

I got the Anbernic Win600 which I gave away, and I'm interested in getting a Mendocino handheld. I wonder how much more expensive the 4c8t Mendocino processors are, it seems like some games are severely CPU limited

[@rometherevenant8749]

I really want this. I want the form factor and size of the Aya Neo Air but man that price for a windows mini handheld. I already have a steam deck that I share with my wife but I really want a low powered windows handheld with a decent amd apu in it with an ok price.

[@YiShigan]

Mendocino porque viene de Mendoza?

[@r8bior]

For God Of War, maybe you can set a global frame rate cap of 25 and have smooth enough frame times

[@samh5886]

Does this run the most demanding psp titles like the 2 god of war games at 4x? And beetle for saturn?

[@sergiodetter1417]

i need this channel to succeed.

[@piercewiederecht5135]

Right? What an awesome little channel and creator.

[@retrotechdad]

Thank you to both of you, much appreciated! 💗🤗

[@sTuPiDiScOoL_]

Is there any way if wanted the Mendocino loki mini could budget upgrade even more to get eben better performance and so it will work for years to come and not have to worry about being outdated (google play store android mobile games) planning rog ally for steam and higher end pc games

[@thefluffchucker1424]

Could you do a video like this on the “Intel I3 1215u” it’s supposed to be offered on the Ayn loki mini pro and the Aya Neo air plus

[@nghiabinhbonbon]

How is this compared to intel N95

[@Alejandro.budget.gaming]

new suscriber

[@retrotechdad]

Thank you for the sub, welcome aboard! 🙏

[@paparansen]

f-zero... you must test the fire track. also try batocera.

[@harleyn3089]

The tornado track on F-Zero is also pretty taxing. I second the vote for Batocera. I'm all about Batocera.

[@samhuang683]

would be good to have the resolution and setting (if deviate from default) for emulation testing in your future videos as well, though you did mention in the audio. And so this apu is only capable of 720p emulation?

[@kamien__]

you can change the resolution on hanheld loki

[@ikmalfitri2635]

Hey, can you try running Moonlight streaming on this APU? can it get decoding latency below 5ms? Provided that the APU not powerful enough for high end PC games but good enough for emulations. I think it will serve well as emulation device and streaming device for AAA games (if the latency is very low)

[@Pridetoons]

I wonder how this Chipset handles Inferno Climber, Heart & Slash, and My Time in Portia.

[@SoundtrackofMyLife]

Great preview, so excited! It would be so great if you could do i3 1215u preview too! How faster is the intel igpu with 64 eu ?

[@bamik89]

Can it use like egpu to increase the performance

[@HuntaKiller91]

Too bad they scrap the loki mini but ayaneo air plus still have those 7520U available for $500 tho

[@Subh8081]

If Athlon 7220u with 16GB RAM doubles the automatically assigned VRAM from 512 MB to 1GB, then this iGPU would show further improvement.

[@buster5661]

will the loki max have the same limitation?

[@stephenxs8354]

Hard to believe when this apu only has 2 cores.

[@retrotechdad]

Yes, it’s pretty impressive given the limitations!

[@locked01]

All very nice. I knew even the weakest Mendocino would have been better than the RP3+ and for a bit more money it gives you plenty. Problem is, I couldn't afford to giving my money so early to a company that had so many issues with deliveries and delays like Ayn. Conclusion: I'm happy with my RP3+ and I will buy again when I will be able to play Tekken Tag 2 (PS3) on a handheld and without selling a kidney. Which means, probably 2025.

[@panpanaraya7644]

Is loki mini o loki mini pro)?

[@Nearnface]

wowowoww

[@ferluisch]

Isn't there a way to up that tdp? This is beyond criminal...

[@bamik89]

I feel for emulation I would say the i3 1215u would be better for ps3 because of the CPU

[@retrotechdad]

I think so, RPCS3 is very CPU dependent especially in terms of high clock speeds.

[@nawsih848]

Test some e-sport title pls like Overwatch 2, league, Valo etc

[@Mosestylez]

Would Skyrim run on this chipset? 🤔

[@retrotechdad]

It's definitely something I want to test, I haven't had a chance just yet.

[@HuntaKiller91]

It shud be $199 imho 2c4t won't cut it in 2023 Atleast 4c8t

[@carlos2004]

for this type of handheld, i really don't see 2c4t being a problem. considering it only has 8gig shared ram, and all four version of the mendocino use the 610gpu with only 2cu's, it's not as if you're going load up the witcher and be limited by the cpu.

[@HuntaKiller91]

@@carlos2004 yeah ok for light titles

[@rinaldo7618]

i dont see any diffrent between this and 3150u

[@brentcamacho4613]

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