🇬🇧 AMD, Nvidia or Intel, what's best for X99? RX 5700XT, RTX 3060, Arc A750 | E5-2696 V3, i7-12700k

[@DakotaTheGoof]

It surprised me that the 5700XT is the same if not better than the RTX 3060, but ~100-200 cheaper. This is an amazing option if you don’t look forward to ray tracing and if you would trade DLSS for FSR. Great Video as always Miyconst ❤.

[@Miyconst]

I also was unpleasantly surprised of how weak RTX 3060 actually is.

[@raresmacovei8382]

@@Miyconst Always was

[@Elinzar]

this gives me hope that i will really enjoy my Sapphire Nitro+ 5700xt once it is out of Customs Hell

[@Miyconst]

You surely will.

[@ontarioG37S]

Enjoy watching your videos. I really don't want to retire my MSI Gaming 9 ACK motherboard with 5960X. I've been itching to get more cores especially with the cheap Xeon prices for the V3 so they can be set to boost all cores mod. I thought about E5 2698 V3 or E5 2696 V3 to run with my RTX 3080 and at 3440x1440. I was going to pull the trigger on upgrading my system to 12th gen Intel or go with the 5800X3D as I can then still use my ddr4 ram. Instead I bought another ultrawide monitor (Dell QD-Oled) . However I still have that urge with more cores at a budget since I spent all my money. All the videos I have seen either the Xeon gets its butt kicked, or is on par. I would imagine the higher the resolution, the closer the parity it becomes. I know too many video concentrate on 1080p however. It was nice to see some 1440p scores and was surprised with the results.

[@Miyconst]

At high(er) resolution Xeons still do pretty well, even with a 3080, but games such as Warzone or Fortnite are still gonna be CPU limited, the multiplayer scene is just too heavy for the old Xeons.

[@Mirddes]

amazing effort as always!

[@jb678901]

Very happy with a used RTX2080Super that I bought for $250 about 5 months ago. I think I got it rather cheaply because it's has blower style cooling. No issue with a headset or bluetooth IEM's. I did a routine cleaning, checked thermal pads, and applied new thermal paste...runs like a charm. Paired to an HZ X79 Deluxe with E5-4627V2 (8C/8T, 3.5GHz all core) for my eldest daughter's VR system. My venerable MSI GTX1080Ti is a very nice match with my office X99TF/E5-2678V3 (12C/24T, 3.2+ Ghz all core). Scored that 1080Ti (used from original owner) just before the GPU bubble (November 2020) for $350. What a great card.

[@Miyconst]

Yeah, that was a good purchase!

[@aaronscrewface]

For the last couple of months I have been using an RTX2060 12gb, the "refreshed" version from 2021, in my E5-2698v3 build for editing 4k60 video from a DJI Osmo Action and it has been very VERY nice to work with. I edit with davinci resolve and my edits, which usually include stabilization, color correction and some titles are rendered out through the card at between 90-105fps. For the price of that card there is probably better options but I happened to catch it on sale brand new for $380cdn including taxes

[@Miyconst]

Yes, the 12 GB vRAM buffer helps a lot when editing 4k videos.

[@royelleray3834]

Great information. I was looking at arc GPUs think I'll wait till they sort the drivers out,thanks.

[@张乐千]

Thanks for your work! By the way, when you mention 13100f, I remember some people around me call 13100f 12105f (because of its performance), hh

[@Miyconst]

Yup, i3-13100 is basically the same as i3-12100, just a tiny bit higher clock frequency.

[@And10686]

id love to see a today's comparison of these cards with the arc's latest optimized drivers.

[@Miyconst]

Yeah, it would be an interesting revisit.

[@aldisskudra3687]

A750 performs more stable if you don't launch arc control. And SOTR definitely works for me with dx12

[@Miyconst]

Please share your system specs, I tested with two separate fresh Windows 11 installation and SoTR crashed on both systems.

[@aldisskudra3687]

@@Miyconst 12600k on asus z690m prime with ddr4 3600, win11 pro with latest updates.

[@Miyconst]

@@aldisskudra3687 do you have latest Arc drivers? Your system is very close to mine, I have MSI motherboard and i7-12700k, but the game just crashes out on start.

[@johnfreeman5956]

My friend who has an A770 16GB also says that his system runs more stable (more games work, less crashing/artifacts) without arc control. 2 cases is still anecdotal but still worth looking into.

[@aldisskudra3687]

@@Miyconst I didn't install last ones yet, but will do eventually. And also my results in SOTR are way better - 117 and 79 in MAX settings

[@predabot__6778]

Cheers for the video! Very interesting results - especially interesting that the 5700XT has continued to improve continously - many thought the silicon was too flawed to be fixed, but it seems as if AMD has essentially fixed it, and made it quite good.

[@AmaraTheBarbarian]

Your xeon choice is interesting, but more interesting is how often the "higher single core performance speed beats greater core count" mantra seems like an anomaly rather than the standard. For reference of those watching the 2696v3 is an 18 core 36 thread CPU with a base clock of 2.3ghz and a boost clock of 3.6ghz, very much optimized for well parallelized loads. In a test of gaming I'd presume the tester would use something like a 2667 v3 to bring your base clock up to 3.0ghz since that turbo boost frequency is only getting a single core up to 3.6 (provided the motherboard isn't forcing an all core boost which may have been a thing in x99 I'm not sure). But that change would have reduced the core count by 10, it also would have been a much cheaper CPU, at least on the American used market, with possibly better results.

[@joey_f4ke238]

With v3 xeons you can force the max boost to apply to all cores, that is why the 2696 v3 is the best scenario for xeons since the max boost is 3.8ghz, you can also get a much cheaper 8 core variant but that only goes up to 3,4ghz iirc or the 2620 v3 wich i have (6 core 3.2ghz max boost) it's very inexpensive and it performs decently for the price

[@Miyconst]

With Turbo Boost Unlock this CPU runs at 3.3 - 3.5 GHz in games, when all 18 Cores are enabled. I could have disabled some cores and made it run at 3.5 - 3.8 GHz, but this video is not about Xeon E5 vs Core i7, it's about GPUs performance on different platforms, thus the 18-Core configuration is good enough and represents the vast majority of the X99 gamers with CPUs like E5-2660 V3 and up.

[@AmaraTheBarbarian]

@@joey_f4ke238 With turbo boost unlocking available on the board CPU combo I agree that this would be the best in socket chip for purpose, like I said wasn't sure and thus speculated that a chip with a higher base speed would have been preferable. It could still be preferable in a board without that option and when we're talking about xeons I'd wager there are more boards without boost unlocking than ones with. @Miyconst I agree with an unlocked boost this is a best in socket chip for purpose, no argument from me in that respect. You say you're comparing the GPUs on the platform, that leaves both the GPU and the platform up to scrutiny, you do in fact compare these GPUs performance on one chip vs the other making it also a comparison of the CPUs, your graphs demonstrate that by showing relative numbers between the i7's platform and the Xeon's. The results aren't CPU agnostic, that GPU relies relies on data to be sent to it from the CPU, there's a reason you tested 2 high end chips and not a celeron, so chip choice and features like a boost unlock do matter and can change results.

[@serajr]

Great video, as always! I would love to see Specviewperf benchmark (sw, 3ds, ...) with all these GPUs.

[@mykolazaichenko8244]

Чудова англійська і відео детальне та інформативне.

[@edneyhelenedossantos1875]

Very nice video, thanks :)

[@corneliusantonius3108]

My i7-5930K likes my new RTX3060 Ti very much on my 2014 MSI MSI X99S Mpower motherboard

[@NemusDark]

Greetings miyconst I have a question what would be the cheapest x99 motherboard on AliExpress that you would recommend? I'm trying to make a budget build. 200 - 250$

[@NemusDark]

I'm very confused on which motherboard to pick there are so many between 50$ and 70$

[@jb678901]

What's in scope of the build? CPU / CPU Cooler / Motherboard / RAM (DDR3 or DDR4) / GPU / SSD or NVMEm.2 / Power Supply / Case. I suppose a budget recommendation would depend on what cash outlay is necessary for needed components. As well, the capability of the components already in hand.

[@marcusviniciusdeoliveirami2462]

Bom dia, muito bom sempre bem detalhado.Um abraço

[@Kakda007]

I am crashed on x99 board with A750 intel can u explain how to fixed

[@milestailprower]

Very interesting to see how well x99 is still doing! It looks like the 5700XT is a great GPU for the price! Even compared to a used 1080 Ti, you can snag those 5700 XT's for a bargain (in North America's ebay prices at least). I think the "fine wine" comes from the fact that the RX 5000 was AMD's step into RDNA instead of GCN. I guess with the newer RDNA cards, AMD's drivers for RDNA has become more mature. Although "waiting for the drivers to get better" doesn't work on all GPUs. I hear the Radeon VII should still be avoided like the plague.

[@Miyconst]

Radeon VII is a weird and unique beast.. if I have a chance, I will test it.

[@raresmacovei8382]

Aside from the fact RDNA has better efficiency than GCN5, there's nothing inherently wrong with the Radeon 7. It's also a faster GPU than the 5700 XT.

[@ismaelsoto9507]

@@raresmacovei8382 Radeon VII isn't a lot faster than the RX 5700 XT and it also consumes more power... It's 16 GB of HBM2 is mainly useful for some productivity workloads or some crazy high texture mods.

[@huananpolska]

XEON POWER FOREVER! :)

[@gmdoni3000]

Thank you Thank you Thank you

[@flightsimdev9021]

I run the Intel Made Arc A750 and have not had issues in DirectX 12 games (nothing at all), even works great in DX9 10 and 11 games now, using driver 44.77

[@Miyconst]

What CPU, motherboard, system do you use? ReBar enabled or disabled?

[@flightsimdev9021]

@@Miyconst Motherboard is X570 Taichi Razor edition, rebar enabled, CPU is AMD Pro 4750G running 32gb DDR4 at 3200, Windows 11, I have GTA 5, Forza Horizon 5, Shadow of Tomb Raider, and MSFS, never had the things everyone has reported apart from the odd slow game loading.

[@Miyconst]

@@flightsimdev9021 then I am truly out of clues, since I have tested mine A750 with multiple different PCs and got the same behavior.

[@Mirddes]

i would love to see a review of F8D PLUS with dual 2689v4. I'm currently upgrading from 2630v3 to 2637v3 on one of the cheapest dual x99 boards.

[@enriconapolitano4321]

What a coincidence, precisally I order the same GPU on eBay last week an HP OEM RTX 3060 12Gb to be used with HUANANZHI X99 CH8 Motherboard and E5-2667V4, thank you very much :-)

[@Miyconst]

Thank you for the support!

[@NemusDark]

How's the performance so far ? I also want to get 2667v4 or a 1660v4

[@noway8662]

Thanks for testing. One thing I keep hearing is from multiple users is that they have that blackscreen problem with ARC when using HDMI cable (some kind of signal integrity problem going on), and that they have better luck with Displayport connection. Were you using DP or HDMI?

[@Miyconst]

I also used HDMI, my video capture card doesn't support Display Port.

[@Giathirds]

Super late but built my brother's PC with the arc. It took us 5 times turning the monitor off and on before it would work but it would light up right away on a TV. After installing driver updates it worked no problems.

[@chronometer9931]

I thought the e-cores were supposed to be used for background tasks and only used for primary work if the P cores are all maxed out. Otherwise what would be the point of E cores?

[@Miyconst]

E-Cores help with multi-threaded workloads, when P-Cores have no extra capacity. The problem is that enabling E-Cores reduces the CPUs cache/IMC clock frequency, and that affects gaming performance.

[@emagiampa]

I'm very interested on i7 6950x. Can you review that on and X99 MoBo? And It can be activate resizeble bar for that CPU?

[@TROLLER365]

hello, i have my x99-TF v2.0 and my e5 2640v3, wich bios do you recomend me?

[@Miyconst]

For X99-TF/F8/T8 I suggest BIOS from iEngineer flashed with a programmer.

[@Ropdnf]

Hello bro,i just want to ask you do you know how can i set my ram to go on 2666mhz ,it works on 2133,i have e5 2673 v3 on klissre motherboard and 2666mhz ddr4,thanks

[@Miyconst]

You can't do that, the max RAM speed of E5-2673 V3 is DDR4-2133.

[@iam_nobody]

Hello! 😀 Will it be a good idea to pair a Rx6750 GRE 12GB with a QIyida x99 LGA 2011-3, Xeon E5 2680 V4 and 32 GB of RAM? 🤔

[@Miyconst]

It sounds like a good idea on paper but I didn't test these GPU and motherboard, so I don't know if these are any good.

[@yufish6576]

I have that zotac 3060. Have to install zotac firestorm software and let it start so that the fan will work when gpu temperature is low.... This is so annoying. Your result maybe related to the gpu temperature.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the info. My results are average of three runs, thus the GPU has more than enough time to stabilize its fans.

[@xchgre7487]

in my local area there are crypto offers that have 3080 and 3090, they will make bottleneck for x99? for 4k gaming.

[@Miyconst]

At 4k you should be fine, at 1080p/1440p it's gonna be a gigantic bottleneck.

[@axxiomm]

What is your thoughts on skylake xeons? When will they become cheap enough for regular second hand customers(like v3 xeons)?

[@Miyconst]

These Xeons will become irrelevant before they become cheap, so don't hope for another Xeon wave.

[@TrggrWarning]

Geewhiz you read my mind curious about 3060 performance on x99

[@systemmodmen2157]

When do you think a Chinese x299 motherboard will show up in the wild

[@yasirrakhurrafat1142]

Its a shame it isn't already out there .

[@nhansgoofyvideos7581]

Probably the Skylake xeon is not cheap enough yet.

[@Miyconst]

To be honest, I don't care about X299, the LGA 2066 CPUs are pathetic and don't really provide much extra over X99.

[@Karti200]

just a bet - probably 2-3 more years but who knows... Machinist has been already selling LGA 1700 motherboards so really.. who knows

[@mircomputers]

x299 mesh design is bad, so not really sure there will be value there, who knows anyway it was fun to overclock

[@Nonebit]

Why are used Xeons so cheap? They sometimes have better performance than Ryzen 5s. And is it recommended to pair a E5-2698v3 with a 1080 ti or with a 3060 ti?

[@Miyconst]

These Xeons are so cheap because there are lots of them after data center upgrades, but the motherboards are scarce. E5-2698 V3 is a good match for 1080/3060 (Ti), but at 1080p you will be CPU limited in many single threaded games.

[@Fetih-p3g]

hi bro congraculations ,, i have arc 750 + x99 2680v4 + 2x 8 2400 mhz ram , but i didn't resize bar on . is it possible?

[@Miyconst]

🇬🇧 Resizable BAR on LGA 2011-3 X99 - how to enable and get extra performance kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJStdYqDpd2joKc

[@Fetih-p3g]

@@Miyconst MY MOTHERBOARD MOUGOL , NOT FOUND İN Mİ899 PRO ?

[@ugijago]

is arc gpu run on older motherboard like mine for example p6t deluxe asus ? 🙏

[@Miyconst]

Please watch the video, I have specified that Intel Arc needs Resizable Bar support, if your motherboard doesn't support it, you have to either hack it or use another GPU.

[@patkennedy9075]

Hi, i have 2x e5-2640v4 (i think) running on my x99 dual cpu board. Does this still apply?

[@Miyconst]

What exactly are you asking about?

[@patkennedy9075]

@@Miyconst your recommendations for gpu?

[@Miyconst]

@@patkennedy9075AMD RX 6600 / RX 5700 (XT)

[@patkennedy9075]

@@Miyconst any extra programming/software or firmware needed for 1 gpu with 2 CPUs?

[@Miyconst]

@@patkennedy9075 absolutely not.

[@Photon02]

Why using the 5700 xt instead of the newer 6600 xt or 6700 xt, kinda unfair to use older cards for one brand

[@Miyconst]

Unfair in what metric? I have explained why I used RX 5700XT in the video.

[@kebabsaurusrex1601]

Can you use turbo unlock on the 2696?

[@Miyconst]

Turbo Unlock works with locked V3 Xeons only.

[@kebabsaurusrex1601]

@@Miyconst 👍

[@SquidwradThomas]

None of these! I have a e5-2699v3 and 64gb of memory, then I strapped a p40 24gb into the system and then a display nvms 420 card to pass through too. This build is so unnecessarily over the top but I love it none the less 😎

[@Miyconst]

That's indeed a very cool build, sadly it's very unpractical.

[@SquidwradThomas]

@@Miyconst I only ever do 3D renders on this build so I thought that would justify the nature of it but honestly rendering alone doesn’t seem to put enough strain on any component to justify the build as a whole. The p40 24 gb is amazing and so is the 64gb of memory. However the 18 core cpu paired with both of those does feel kind of unnecessary. On the other hand In multitasking I noticed this thing does not budge a single bit in fps. So now I just stick this pc in my super comfortable gaming space instead of my office and use it to game while rendering. It can do everything very well while being incredibly stable. I’m certain this build is future proof for at least 2-3 generations.

[@nmg5108]

How to enable resizable bar on x99 chinese motherboard

[@Miyconst]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJStdYqDpd2joKc

[@nmg5108]

Thank you so much it worked wonders for me I hope all the best for you

[@Karti200]

Intel GPU for now - you either use it on linux to destroy AMD / Nvidia or you simply do not even consider buing it for Windows

[@Miyconst]

How does it game on Linux?

[@Karti200]

@@Miyconst Because of no DX at all, but Vulkan, OpenGL and DXVK on anyhthing "DX" launch on steam... it is just amazing many people who tested this card on both Windows and Linux were just surprised how this card runs if you ignore DX overall There are also lack of any graphical artifacts in games - funny example with Witcher 3. A750 / A770 has issue rendering flame particles in Witcher 3 while run on Windows with DX11 - you can see black and green boxes rendering instead of proper flame particle same Witcher 3 on same pc just run via proton on Linux Steam - no artifacts, no issue.. better performance than on windows and there are many more games like that. Even CS:GO 1% lows are much higher on linux - because this game is natively OpenGL & Vulkan supported on linux (OpenGL is default api there)

[@Miyconst]

@@Karti200 that's interesting! If I decide to keep my A750 I might do some additional tests. Too bad, most of the Anti-Cheat software bans players for using Linux instead of Windows.

[@Karti200]

@@Miyconst depends on what type of games you are playing cuz whole talk about ":AC bans people on Linux" is a huge lie at this point... I play WoW and even Insurgency Sandstorm on my PC while Insurgency is running EAC - any issue for my Linux Mint PC? Nope, no issue Arma? Give me that Doom Eternal? Go ahead latest Quake Arena? Sure pal, give me that aswell all of it, just works (thanks Todd)

[@Miyconst]

@@Karti200 how about Warzone and Battlefield? :)

[@voicender9904]

5700xt works with x99 pr9 ?

[@Miyconst]

I see no reason why it shouldn't work.

[@voicender9904]

@@Miyconst They wrote in the comments that the 5700 XT is not compatible with the x99 PR9. Is this a mistake?

[@Miyconst]

@@voicender9904eh, that sounds strange, I have never had any issues with RX 5700 XT and Chinese motherboards but maybe I don't know something.

[@mircomputers]

fiiiirst! finally!

[@Miyconst]

It feels good to be the first, right? :D

[@damasterpiece08]

x99 is still too expensive but x79 is getting better in price

[@chronometer9931]

A770 would have been a better match over the a750

[@Miyconst]

It would.. if the prices would not be so outrageous.

[@1marcelfilms]

when the gpu cost almost 10x as much as the cpu and board and ram combined 😂

[@Grant_S_M]

I suppose if Intel starts blowing these out for $100 CDN I'll buy one :)

[@Miyconst]

RX 5700XT is probably going to cost $50 by then.

[@lflyr6287]

Shintel X99 is a useless chipset today as it was in 2014 :). Nobody cares about it.

[@Grant_S_M]

I built a 2630 V3 machine that is a rock solid budget daily use/1080p game rig with Linux Mint. I call it my old reliable backup machine. Flashes up like a champ every time! May upgrade to either a 2650 V4 or 2667 V4 soon, just for fun.

[@lflyr6287]

@@Grant_S_M there is nothing reliable on that very low IPC mesh architecture based Xeon with very very slow cores running @ 2.4 GHz. An AMD FX 8350 destroys it in absolutely everything and is truly reliable while being able to run multiple OS-es, anywhere from Win XP to Win 11 flawlesly as well as absolutely any legit Linux based built.OS. At the same time it's completely capable of running modern 2022/2023 games at Ultra @ 1080 with a GTX 1080 8GB already. That puny Xeon of yours literaly can't run majority of modern games :-).

[@Miyconst]

😂😁🤣 please share more of your fantasies.

[@lflyr6287]

@@Miyconst buttercup, don't have to, real world experiences from ex-X99 users (the nonbiased nonfanboy real world users, those are the ones that count) tell all the story that we need. There's a reason that very few were on that platform when it was active and almost nobody, besides the die hard brainwashed souls, are still on today. It's a pathetic overheating power hungray low performing, almost inexistent multicore, very low IPC and single core performing crap architecture from the inferior manufacturer that is Shintel :-).

[@kenobi639]

Lousy take. X99 is still relevant in 2023. You don't know what you're talking about

[@iam_nobody]

Hello! 😀 Will it be a good idea to pair a Rx6750 GRE 12GB with a QIyida x99 LGA 2011-3, Xeon E5 2680 V4 and 32 GB of RAM? 🤔

[@Miyconst]

It sounds like a good idea on paper but I didn't test these GPU and motherboard, so I don't know if these are any good.

[@iam_nobody]

Hello! :) Will it be a good idea to pair a RX6750 GRE 12 GB with a Qiyida x99 LGA 2011-3, Xeon E5 2680 V4 and 32GB of RAM? 🤔

[@Miyconst]

It sounds like a good idea on paper but I didn't test these GPU and motherboard, so I don't know if these are any good.

[@iam_nobody]

@@Miyconst Can there be any compatibility issue?

[@Miyconst]

@@iam_nobody AliExpress is a lottery, compatibility surprises can be found everywhere but in general, it should work.

[@iam_nobody]

​@@Miyconst I'm going for a brand-new ASUS or GIGABYTE model, not the refurbished ones from various Chinese brands! …so I guess I should be fine! Thanks! 😀