NEVER install these programs on your PC... EVER!!!

[@blended7674]

1:08 Norton 2:03 McAfee 4:17 NordVPN 7:53 Shopping extension 11:03 PC speed booster 15:51 Pre installed software 17:36 Other software included in free programs 18:30 Precautions in pirating software

[@vintagemotorsalways1676]

Thanks for saving me 19 minutes lol

[@hooroos5191]

the comment i was looking for, thanks

[@freeze1305]

You the MVP brother.

[@petert3355]

I'm actually surprised that Windows was not mentioned.

[@BryceCzirr-jz7ju]

Just curious what's wrong with NordVPN? I use the ExpressVPN app is that bad too?

[@desto13c]

You left out Windows11.

[@mastrtonberry2]

Ahh, I came here to make this comment too

[@Hewhotubes]

This

[@dutch-nature-history-bydrone]

You mean windows? Why specifically 11

[@Anewlevel0091]

Amen

[@dwrek2054]

You legend...

[@MXstar189]

I remember early days of the internet we all worried about "Pop-Up Ads"......Now the whole internet is one big "Pop-Up Ad"

[@tetedur377]

We wiped our cookies every day, defraged at least once a week, and the biggest virus was PC Stoned, or some variation. I used to swear that Pecker Norton wrote malware so he could sell antivirus.

[@siegephoto3175]

The beloved defrag 😂 wow. Thank you for that trip down memory lane. This comment is pure GOLD!

[@erikkonstas]

I mean the only reason these don't work well anymore is browsers changing their defaults to block them... the majority won't touch a setting so yeah.

[@1crazypj]

@@tetedur377 Your not defragging a solid state drive?

[@frankstetka7206]

For sure, I said it out loud as he did haha, the good old days!

[@yavuzs7]

This makes me think a lot since I have many of these programs installed on my PC and do you recommend buying the Office packages for greater security?

[@Melissalove44]

You are not the only one and I was surprised to see NordVPN on the list. I didn't expect it. Hahaha. And answering your question, it is always better to have Office with all its functions.

[@yavuzs7]

It's true that I was also surprised, especially by the number of KZbinrs who promote it! Well, I'll have to buy it then.

[@Melissalove44]

It's not that I want to make you spend your money, but it's the best, but if I can save you some time, bnh software for office worked for me.

[@yavuzs7]

Right now I have very little time due to work, so thank you very much for your suggestion.

[@Melissalove44]

Nothing beautiful is always a pleasure

[@satchguitar84]

Incognito mode does NOT do anything to hide your information or data transferred from your ISP or any bad actors. Incognito mode is not more secure, it just doesn't store browser data locally. That's all it does.

[@Vermeulenisdenaam]

This cannot be emphasized enough!!

[@atomicwaffle420]

@@Vermeulenisdenaam i mean chrome literally tells you that when you open an incognito tab, so the only way not to know that is if you just don't read.

[@Vermeulenisdenaam]

@@atomicwaffle420 yes, I know... but the ability to read is one of the most overestimated talents for the average Joe internet visitor ;)

[@no_nameyouknow]

​@@atomicwaffle420 I don't know what you said because I didn't read it but you're wrong.

[@zwenkwiel816]

​@@atomicwaffle420to be fair though years of computer use have trained me to instinctively press the right button without reading pop ups and shit XD

[@paull8678]

This brings back memories. My former mother-in-law was a prolific PC killer. I think I wiped and reinstalled her laptop close to a half dozen times, but it would only take her a month or so to gum it up again. I used to say, she never met a link she wouldn't click. She even got scammed into an expensive PC maintenance contract with a company in Asia, and they installed a bunch of suspect looking software. To this day, I'm still surprised she didn't get phished out of her life savings.

[@johntaylor3298]

I know your pain my family and relatives are the same, I'll be like what the hell are you all doing I say to them don't do this, don't do that, the comeback answer is "It wasn't me". When I was taught by my late uncle, he always said, "You can bet your bottom dollar it is the thing between the chair and keyboard that is the problem"

[@paull8678]

@@johntaylor3298My MiL once got a phishing email that was addressed to her by the portion before the @ in her email address, which was obviously auto-generated (dear firstname.lastname). When I asked her what she did, she said, "Well, I was about to delete it, because I don't have a TD account and never have, but then I got to thinking. How would they know my name? How would they even know I exist? So you see I HAD to click on it. I had no choice". That was a fun one to fix. Had to have her reset a bunch of passwords, which annoyed her to no end. And I think she just added "1" to the end of her old password. 🤦‍♂

[@mawi2815]

Give her Linux and pray to God she doesn’t break it

[@LinXnerd]

@@mawi2815 Mount the /home folder on another drive and use a backup software to restore the system when needed. A couple of reoccurring backups that are 1 week apart from each other should do the trick. Mint has that software built in. It also has a software manager that acts like an app store. Plus, she can't install software unless she has administrative privilege... Administrator has the keys for groups and users. Easy Peezy Until she finds a way to access the files from an exterior port...or NOT. 😬

[@Holly-xq5hk]

​@@mawi2815 dont give her sudo permissions and nothing bad should happen

[@jvakorsven]

You all should 100% do a video where you load all of these and other programs onto a rig, test the hell out of it, and then remove them and test it again. Just for fun.

[@smadayeoj]

It’d be great to see a benchmark after installing each PC accelerator, and see the numbers go up and up (time elapsed of course).

[@saulhydeman8846]

A youtuber that goes by basicallyhomeless has a series where he just installs as many viruses he can on a pc to see what happens. Check him out if you're curious about this specific scenario.

[@andrew_koala2974]

That is NOT fun However - you may have a warped sense of what fun is. Go to a FUN ERAL -- Perhaps that will offer some sense of excitement for you

[@deenyc1049]

And he should use his fixit voice when he shows the loaded up rig. Then back to his normal voice for the clean rig.

[@nemtudom5074]

DIS!

[@zyphon7]

“What’s the one that started with an A?” Avast is probably what you’re thinking of, spent hours removing that little gem from a parents computer…

[@jeffbehringer1262]

Or AVG.

[@Qrown]

Avira?

[@shadowyt3769]

All three of those are trash from if I recall

[@Ironimo1]

Or Kaspersky

[@grifdenton5224]

@@Ironimo1 Weren't they the ones that figured out how to detect Pegasus spyware?

[@Astarath]

as a network engineer that works for an ISP: If you're using a VPN, we don't care. At all. In any way whatsoever. In fact, if you're going to do dodgy stuff like torrents, we'd prefer you use a vpn, because that means less RIAA/MPAA/etc. complaint emails to deal with. As far as transit costs go, VPN use is just as expensive as non-tunnelled "naked" data throughput. There's no incentive to care.

[@patriciaschmitt6448]

So if Norton & McAfee are not recommended, what Security company is legit to use?

[@drago6568]

He was saying the reason why an isp wouldn't care if your using a vpn, he hadn't said anythingabout what bpn to use. Bot ?

[@johnfrank4996]

@@patriciaschmitt6448 Windows defender. Its already installed on all computers and it is the best antivirus out there. You do not need any third party. Also, you cant get a virus or malware unless you are downloading things or visiting sketchy sites. Basically dont be dumb and click on stuff. And just let windows do its thing. You will be fine.

[@patriciaschmitt6448]

@@johnfrank4996 Thank you so much! Finally, a great answer I've been looking for. This helps me out a lot. 👍

[@47RoninGaming]

​@drago6568 all an anti virus does is alert you " this is bad don't open/extract" practicing good opsec yourself is better than anything else.

[@ChloeVFX]

One thing I was told as a kid. "Your brain is the best anti-virus. If something looks too good to be true, it is." Never click on suspicious links.

[@EidolonKaos]

Common Sense 2025 Edition comes out next year, don't forget to upgrade ➡️🧠

[@rotkudnok]

It *probably* is. You don't automatically ignore every single opportunity, you cautiously explore it first

[@user-if9pp4vg7g]

Its usually a miss click where they make something pop up a few seconds late then you end up clicking their shit. That's what they depend on. That and unaware kids and old people. So no, an antivirus is still good to have. Some performance lost vs your whole PC getting cooked is not worth it.

[@sanman187-]

About 20 years ago, if that, a nurse friend of mine, who was recently disabled, put Norton Utilities on her new computer... the computer all but froze. It took FOREVER for just one web page to load, if at all; the same for all programs on her computer. She was in a wheelchair, was somewhat of a computer novice, and called me for help. I'd say it took me between 50 and 60 HOURS to get Norton-Not-So-Useful-Utilities off her computer. After that, wiping her hard drive and reinstalling her operation system and programs was a comparative "walk in the park." For years now, when asked about Norton, I say, "RUN!" FOOTNOTE: getting rid of McAfee, some years later, cured many undiagnosable, and annoying, issues on my computer.

[@lukusblack6442]

The original Norton Utilities, back on classic Mac, worked wonders. I really did love it, particularly the defragmenter. That was then... this crap is now.

[@ssisnake]

I had to do this three seperate times, Norton was garbage.

[@andreivaughn1468]

I guess back then, the notion of removing the hard-drive and attaching it as a secondary/slave drive to another computer wasn't so known. Would have saved you some time. By the way on modern windows (since at least 2006) there's something called a safe mode which boots without non-essential items, this will make sure Norton and other crap don't launch at startup so you can remove it.

[@TarlachOakleaf]

I had a similar problem with Norton and couldn't uninstall it. When I asked Symantec how to get it off my PC the answer I got was "why would you want to?". Well, I got rid of it in the end and I never used it again. The original Norton was great. It was only after Symantec took it over that it went downhill. Stay away from Symantec.

[@Possiee.]

So what service would you use for protection? If I can get rid of another yearly subscription then I’d love to do so. I just want to make sure I have something that can actually protect my computer

[@KeithCollyer]

Norton and McAfee are particularly sad cases because those of us with long memories (forty years, MS-DOS) remember when these were reputable companies selling useful utilities.

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

Yes, I have fond memories of using early versions of Norton Utilities on classic macOS to check and defrag my hard drive on a Mac Quadra 700. It used to be a really useful toolchest back then.

[@niemand7811]

Norton was dirt like twenty years ago already. McAfee doesn't seem any better. And that is quite some time in such an industry.

[@marigeobrien]

The FIRST general rule to avoid any scams (apart from never click on a link within an email) is, if you receive an email that says ANYTHING about being charged at all then call your credit card company and check your purchases THERE. Do not call any numbers they give you. Call the number on your statements. Basically, when checking, stick to things you know are reputable / real.

[@owenorders5202]

Or you could just use your common sense and never put any of your financial details online anywhere ever.

[@dkail08]

​@owenorders5202 that's what credit cards are for. If your info gets out its 100% covered by the bank. To piggy back off OP: I never respond directly to anything. No mail, calls, anything. I contact the company myself through normal channels always. Phishing isn't only done via email.

[@KEN4K]

Can't you just check the banking app? Or does US not have them?

[@owenorders5202]

@@dkail08 Not only do I never do any financial transactions online, but nowhere online do I ever post my real name or any personal details about anything. I do get regular phone calls from scammers and I enjoy wasting their time. But to those who do think that it's slick and trendy to do banking online, I say this: scammers and their equipment are getting more sophisticated every year; so, in the not too distant future it will become very hard for the banks and credit card companies to establish that you actually were defrauded, and they will make it harder and harder for you to be reimbursed, because if they settled all the claims, they would quickly become, well, bankrupt.

[@infernousgaming1393]

@@KEN4K We have banking apps in the US.

[@JPDC624]

Totally agree. Older folks in church ask me to help them buy laptops or PCs, and when they arrive, I do a full reset immediately and start with a clean image, and just grab the needed drivers. 👍

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

Microsoft windows is number 1 on that list🤣

[@hardbrocklife]

100%. The same with a lot of people at my church. I want to start a PC literacy class in the near future to teach people about all the stuff normies typically don't know or understand. I would love to popularize Linux Mint: Debian Edition with people, using the windows like icons theme. Thankfully my pastor is sharp and tech savy. Was previously a project manager at Siemens. He makes sure the church itself avoids using shifty stuff.

[@PhilipMarcYT]

Drivers? Windows Updates does that automatically. People act like we're still using Windows 7... I wish.

[@smegek]

can you just reset windows without the code?

[@red58impala]

@@hardbrocklife I switched to Linux Mint Cinnamon when MS stopped supporting XP. I have a laptop with Windows 10, but only for when I need to have a program that needs a Windows environment. I used to use WINE but I haven't used it in a while. I don't even know if it works with Windows 10.

[@Norbrookc]

Norton and McAfee have been crap for over 20 years. Back then, I was a computer tech and the amount of effort that it took to clean up the mess they left (god help you if it crashed during install) was insane. Calling them resource hogs is an understatement.

[@adamn7516]

Yup totally agree. However in most, but not all cases the Mcafee and Norton removal tools usually do a pretty good job cleaning them off when the uninstaller fails.

[@markenetube]

I had to reinstall windows XP for a guy after he put 98 Norton on it. Don't use I told him. 2 hrs later. It doesn't work. I booted in safe mode. He had reinstalled Norton. I said "you're on your own" He took it to a shop and paid £100.

[@Norbrookc]

@@markenetube My worst one was this guy who bought Norton at Walmart, installed it on his Windows ME, and it crashed during install. So he tried it again. Crash. Finally brought it to my shop, and this was before they put out their tools. It took me hours to clean it out of the registry, it wrote itself to an ungodly number of places. I installed a different AV for him, told him to see if he could get a refund. McAfee was just a major resource hog.

[@adamn7516]

@@markenetube To be fair back in the XP days there was no built in security so it was typical to install a third party solution. But yes even back then Norton and Mcafees security suites could mess up an XP machine at the drop of a hat. Back then I always told my customers to stay away the suites and stick with most basic versions of these programs.

[@Trancial-x-tion]

so what is a good virusscanner ? Is window security enough ?

[@aftab-shaikh]

The best antivirus software you will ever need is 'common sense.'

[@notsoelusive]

My Mum just bought a $1400 laptop, then got talked into paying for norton and office. The first thing I did was uninstall Norton, then she told me she paid for it... I told her next time don't buy a computer without me.

[@michamarkowski2204]

Some of my friends, relatives and co-workers ask me for advice when it comes to PC and IT in general. Some of them diregard my advice and then come to me for help. I do help them of course. By their choice they learn the lesson the hard way and next time they do listen to me and do what I say. If not, I refuse to help them anymore.

[@indrahaseo]

windows defender is good enough than paid any anti virus

[@jurgenmeriste6794]

@@indrahaseo exactly my idea, I havent ever used extra antivirus or boosters or whatever, I clean installed my laptop because I couldnt uninstall any of them

[@indrahaseo]

@@jurgenmeriste6794 yes indeed, I understand how you feel that cannot uninstall of them completely but no choice to format everything and reinstall windows

[@indrahaseo]

@@jurgenmeriste6794 Yes indeed, I understand how you feel because of that program or booster

[@jandecoleman1]

This is freaky, I work at Mattress Firm, and I literally talked to a lady about an email that she got from "Norton" saying they were charging her $500 for her subscription. I told her DON'T CALL THAT NUMBER! And then I watch this video...

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

Do you work at one of those weird Mattress Firms that is inexplicably directly across the street from another Mattress Firm?

[@jandecoleman1]

@ZeusTheIrritable Not anymore, but I did once. The reason for that happening was because Mattress Firm bought a lot of other mattress retailers, but the lease on that store was for a set number of years. As a company, we are slowly fixing that problem.

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

@@jandecoleman1 Damn. I was hoping to hear that there was genuinely that much demand for mattresses in certain places that it necessitated multiple stores in one location. Or, that it was a front for some huge drug cartel.

[@gvwolf]

@@ZeusTheIrritable Hiding the money under the mattress 🤣

[@Zuler0]

I love how your comment was at the top of the list for me, and we have the same profile picture XD

[@Sgt_SealCluber]

I don't even click links in emails I do trust. Financial places I go directly to them and log in, just in case.

[@kalma5003]

Bank's just shouldn't use links in their messaging, and traint user's that their messages don't have links

[@frontbum666]

Yep, I do the same.

[@vdd1001]

I got sent an email from CaixaBank saying my data had been lost and I had to create another password, and I was like "hold on, I don't even have a CaixaBank account, these morons tried to scam me"

[@zangcheye]

Truth. Don't use links, use URLs and history. Heck, even your bookmarks are somewhat safer than links.

[@fe3bal]

This is the way.

[@dijpurdy]

Crikey it's like we have the same father! I've banged on about these same things to my family and friends for years mainly in an effort to stop them contacing me about problems on computers all the time, glad to hear an American cousins has the same thoughts and problems as me. Great video content by the way.

[@DiaborMagics]

What is annoying about VPN is that, while you use it for shopping or banking, many sites block it so you cant use it for exactly what you want to use it for to prevent theft of your sensitive data.

[@peachparee7647]

This makes me wonder if something like Firebug can temporarily bypass that. I used to use it all the time to break into paywalled movies. Good times

[@TheEvilDrR]

I don't have that problem. I found a highly recommended open source vpn (OpenVPN) that works quite well. I'm even considering turning one of my many PC's into a VPN server to host it, so I can feel confident about who's handling my VPN data.

[@Holly-xq5hk]

Https and ssl already do that job... just make sure you dont connect to a phishing website...

[@kiillabytez]

I kinda thought it was always used primarily for pirating software, music and movies! I never understood how people can put things like their banking information online. Even using a VPN, remember, even the VPN provider can get access to your data due to its very nature.

[@TheEvilDrR]

@@kiillabytez I do pretty much all my banking/investing online nowadays. I make sure the places I deal with have 2 factor authentication and robust security. When I started using the internet back in 1989 and several years after, I sure wouldn't do banking online. But I'm pretty confident ITSec has improved enough to be reasonably safe. And only a very shady (and criminally stupid) VPN service would snoop your traffic.

[@joyl7842]

My gf's mom had so many "bars" from installed applications in her browser that the actual window was half the size lol.

[@timothy8428]

There was a meme of that sort of thing.

[@noneyabizz8337]

I can understand this...

[@wb3213]

@@noneyabizz8337 if you uninstall all the applications then you

[@Stormageddon2015]

I’ve seen this, yahoo bar…

[@Acanis0712]

I used to work in the Fry's service center repairing computers and we always had competitions on who got the computer with the most malware, spyware, viruses, and took bars installed

[@RyanBaublit-c5q]

1. McAffe 2. Nord VPN 3. Shopping Extensions for web browsers 4. Pc "performance Boosters" 5. One Drive 6.Bloatware (freeware)

[@jayvee3859]

why Nord vpn in particular?

[@Fenrir214]

​@@jayvee3859they had a data breach.

[@JohnUSA7]

I had a pain in the rear client who was notorious to messing up his PC in a very short time, even brand new ones. So after I used to setup his PCs in perfect condition and before I gave it to him I used to take and save a full image of the whole disk drive. So after his famous catastrophes, which was inevitable, I used to quickly restore the image in a very short time and now all is just perfect again.....for the time being. Luckily for him he could afford all this mayhem and I made a lot $$$ helping this troublesome soul.

[@marquepoolejewer9427]

😂 win-win

[@exploreworldbirds]

But you lost his recent documents & data each time!

[@JohnUSA7]

@@exploreworldbirds Not really, as I have setup OneDrive for him with automatic backups so he is always protected and safe.

[@stevejazowski7582]

I had to tell people to stop messing with settings they know nothing about !!

[@independenttntn3276]

Why didnt you just remove his admin rights?

[@guycomputer829]

Man! So glad to see somebody calling out all of this garbage! A shop I contract repair work for deals with this on a daily basis, and people will actually push back thinking that we're giving them bad advice about these junk programs. It's a real pain some days.

[@paulbarnett227]

Send them this video.

[@whitey22222]

Heh a long time ago (23 years) I worked in Phone Tech support for Gateway Computers, and this was even then a constant issue to the point we had a canned response "WE DON'T PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, YOU INSTALL IT AT YOUR OWN RISK" if certain software was found on a customers PC they would be asked to uninstall it, if they refused it ended our support and we could close the call.

[@needsmoreclipping]

LOL! This video has several instances of misinformation, half truths, and even some flat out lying.

[@ImInUrHd]

First-time viewer. Kinda just nodded along with everything you were saying until the very end where you said Defender was good enough for most people. I almost caught on fire how quickly I slammed the Like button. I can't tell you how many people I've told this to. "What AV do I use then??" How about the free one that comes as part of your operating system, that most definitely knows what files belong there. And then my soul dies a little, having said something good about Microsoft.

[@jenniferjones2863]

“And then my soul dies a little…” LOL, that was hysterical. 😂❤

[@RipliWitani]

I've said that since it came out

[@hardbrocklife]

It is a two-edged sword saying Defender is good. Unfortunately Defender doesn't protect you from Microsoft.

[@devo3243]

I think people still think of the days where defender wasnt exactly the greatest. But yeah nowdays no point even installing a secondary av

[@Knight-of-Sarcasm]

Today's adventures. Notice computer sluggish late last night, hardly swaps between apps. Does the same this morning. Looking in my sys tray for something and there MS is "Windows must reboot...." Holding my computer hostage until I do what they want.

[@worldz_of_visions]

Thanks mate! I think instinctively I've been doing it right because I can check off the NOT INSTALLED on all this. I still have very few, almost no problems after 7 years. Most software runs smoothly and fast.

[@mikenelson6630]

I count myself in this category as well - I've been around PC's since MS-DOS days (v 3.3 I believe). Revo Uninstaller is on a very short list of must have software for every PC, I'm glad it was mentioned here as a tool to combat the bad stuff.

[@ErikSWE]

Rule of thumb that goes beyond software: If it’s advertised by KZbinrs and Podcasts it’s junk 99% of the time.

[@alandunaway3000]

Unless it's something directly on the OS, like Check Disk. I almost never listen when people recommend trash like Wondershare, Recuva and others. I once used CheckDisk to recover a whole corrupted drive.

[@PhonkEcho]

Everything Tool Glasswire Window PowerToys these are the best tools in the business

[@craftwanderer8802]

​@@PhonkEchoMalwarebytes?

[@chillcult1613]

​@@craftwanderer8802 Malwarebyte is the best by far i used. I used Avast and whatnot. Nothing compare to malwarebyte. I got an adware once, i downloaded Malwarebyte, it automatically quarantine the virus and it auto scan any files you download, if its suspicious it will auto quarantine.

[@TheAqualegend]

To be fair I use IfixIt kits for work and personal use and it's a very solid kit. Little more expensive than Amazon generic kits but they're a good company and their bits seem to last longer.

[@JohnD-JohnD]

100% on Norton and McAfee. It can take several hours to fully get rid of them.. Or so you think they are gone.. lol Just for a new Lenovo laptop from my employer, and it had McAfee pre-installed on it. We un-installed McAfee since that's not the anti-virus we use, and we STILL get McAfee pop-ups daily saying our protection is expired. It's the software that won't go away.

[@mythicalix99]

I had to get an IT tech friend of mine to spend an hour or two clearing it from my laptop completely. He uninstalled it but there were still traces of it somewhere and it was completely stopping me from using the programs I had specifically purchased the computer for. He fine-tooth-combed through the computer and finally got it all. I refuse to have anything to do with McAfee ever again. So shady.

[@szablitho3439]

I still own a lenovo that had McAfee too from 2017. Didnt have such problem removing it. Hjnestly i let it run a year for test and noticed it didnt protect me at all but defender did after i removed McAfee. Since then i jave Defender+IOvit antinalware and regularly running PE OS with AV too

[@janegerrard1073]

The worst cases were Norton + Mcafee at the same time, try it if you want to see how slow things can be.

[@PH-gm2qe]

Its worse then virus itself 😂

[@kamauuninja6339]

use uninstallers like revo, works like a charm.

[@sofig2658]

My dad is not that old and despite having moved on, he worked with computers a lot when he was younger. Back when we only had a family computer we had to share, you would not believe how hard I fought with him because he kept installing three different anti virus and then complained the pc was slow

[@lightyisreal]

😭💀

[@ToxicMothBoi]

Pain. Once had mcaffee installed on my old laptop and it was so hard to get rid off completly with windows 7

[@robotron1236]

@@ToxicMothBoi😂😂😂 Windows! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rewing4880]

Did you notice, the antivirus programs often identify the other anti virus programs viruses that have been isolated, as active viruses. That was the day I discovered Norton Antivirus program was useless junkware.

[@anikarobinson4023]

@@ToxicMothBoi This is true, literally had McAfee try and hijack the family computer when I was a kid. I ended up having to do the partition thing in order to get to a place where I could clear the mess out.

[@johnherdt]

Coffee blew out my nose at the end. Cheers!

[@OldieBugger]

I feel lucky, my Mom is paranoid enough to not click _any_ link in an email, without asking me to check it first.

[@Krantzstone]

Same with my mom.

[@PerticaJr]

The good old hey-son-antivirus

[@PuhlReshaped]

​@@PerticaJrthe most reliable 😂

[@jenniferm.2142]

Same. 😂 I think I’ve drilled that into my parents’ head well enough that they always have me check things if they’re not sure if they should click something.

[@unbrokenhaunter]

Same

[@babounous]

Thanks for this. I've been a PC tech since 1996, and clients NEVER EVER listen to me about avoiding spurious websites. And then they call me when their PC is toast. Oh well, their ignorance keeps me in business.

[@slamshift6927]

Shady sites aren't that bad if you go in with proper protections in place, script blockers with overzealous settings, adblockers, a VPN, etc to ensure only the barest minimum is allowed to load. But that requires a level of experience I don't expect out of anyone who hasn't been on the internet for 20 years.

[@babounous]

@@slamshift6927 No kidding. And that's why I urge my clients to AVOID click-bait and email scams. It's simply too easy to click on a link that takes your browser to a trojan/virus/phishing page. But they never learn. Ugh.

[@zombee38]

I like them dumb !

[@dontmattermrspade528]

Thats about when I started fixing them aswell. No one ever listens to the tech they think we don't know anything. But who's the first one they run to when his/her PC dies? lol

[@jamescannon2587]

My first pc was an IBM 486 tower PC. And 90% of the time it was on, was spent defragging the hard disc drive. Yeah, I'd run it about once a week, but it was something that took several hours to complete. That computer was so old that it originally had DOS, SHELL and Windows 3.1 on it. And I still had to use command prompt to search for and run exe files.

[@ulliulli]

John McAfee had almost nothing to do with the Anti-Virus-Suite since 1994, after he stepped down in the company and esp. in 1997, when he sold the company.

[@katrinabryce]

And in the later years, he used to tell people not to install it.

[@justinwhite2725]

It's still terrible.

[@andrewszombie]

I used mcafee webadvisor toolbar in the 2000s and it was okay but lots of false negatives like flash games sites came up as dangerous. Haha remember toolbars 😂😊

[@athgt6630]

And in the later years he said he was embarrassed by the products carrying his own name.

[@ardeof]

There's a video of John McAfee addressing this. It's pretty legendary lol

[@adamd1347]

MSI now bundles Norton For Gamers with Afterburner. Norton For Gamers. A major low for MSI.

[@steveg1961]

I'm so glad you discussed Norton and McAfee. I've told people to stay away from those for 20 years.

[@Triforcebro]

So what should people use then?

[@tweeezer]

​@@Triforcebro nothing. Windows Defender is good enough

[@steveg1961]

@@Triforcebro If you really want to add another layer to the system already built into Windows, then all I can say is "Do your research." All I can tell is that the last third party anti-virus program I used was "eset" - but I haven't used it in many years, so I can't vouch for how it operates today.

[@JailerGamer]

​@@steveg1961 Eset and Malwarebytes is pretty good

[@countzero1136]

@@Triforcebro Linux MInt :)

[@dalehammers4425]

Norton used to be awesome, but even Norton himself suggests not using it after he sold it. They turned it into a monster of a joke.

[@Xorthis]

Same with McAfee. As Jay said, the history of that man is incredible. He made one of the first awesome malware tools then when he left, the new owners turned it into a moneygrab scam that ended up trusted by so many OEMs because of the money they paid and the history that it used to be good. John McAfee himself made the most incredible video on how to uninstall it. I recommend looking it up. Yes, they really are actual hookers and I'm 100% sure that's not flour.

[@Cymru1987]

just like planet fitness

[@dalehammers4425]

@@Cymru1987 they at least still function as they are supposed to. Get rid of the idiots and it's fine. Norton can't be fixed.

[@seditt5146]

Their BIOS scans and pre-OS scanners are still very good and were the only thing to detect a Rootkit that I knew I had due to computers weird behavior but could not locate otherwise. Best is you run it from a USB drive instead of installing anything. Highly recommend that and run periodic scan every 3 to 6 months or so .

[@dalehammers4425]

@@seditt5146 There are still significantly better programs out today than Norton. Like I said, it USED to be awesome, but not any longer.

[@starlitelemming6929]

Before Norton was anti-virus software, it was an amazing set of tools for high-end PC users. It's so sad to see how far they've fallen. :(

[@kellyburris287]

Norton Utilities was great!

[@Psythik]

@@kellyburris287 Norton Desktop was amazing too. It modernized Windows 3.1 quite a bit. Felt like using an OS from five years into the future!

[@ACADETrainingbyMickey-mg4sv]

I had Norton on my Commadore 64

[@ExtraordinaryLiving]

Yea ... those were the [good old] days ................................... 😮‍💨

[@Ubu987]

They were bought out by Symantec and no longer maintained.

[@todddarling225]

I got my first PC in 1978 - It's been a wild ride - I learnt to program in Basic and Pascal in high school. Norton went crazy 5-7 years ago. I'm not sure if they were brought out by another company or got a new CEO, but they sold out and the upselling got so bad they became unusable. I mean I used to be able to set it up on an older Auntie's PC and it would just shut up except to warn her before she wen't somewhere on the internet that wasn't safe and run a weekly virus scan. These days I'd be getting asked questions 3 or 4 times a week because Norton said they were at risk and she needed X new product to protect her. Sorry bit of a rant there I just found Norton THAT annoying. I build my PC's via a PC shop here in Austalia and only get a copy of windows installed when the new PC arives. Great Video - All Good points. I love Revo Uninstaller too btw.

[@shazamshazamshazam696]

I remember around 2010 I had a new laptop and read that the camera could be turned on without the owner's knowledge. I removed the program, it was re-installed, I removed it again, etc. That was shocking and a revelation of how constantly users were even then being data collected and spied on. I had already covered the lens but I wanted it off my computer. I also stuck silly putty over the microphone to mute it.

[@jeddiajones4570]

Put a piece of tape over the camera.

[@Netseer2000]

@@jeddiajones4570 That was the same advice a politician said ages ago. My camera lights up with a green light when on but I still point it to the ceiling when not in use.

[@dddux]

You can disable it in the BIOS. Disable Intel ME (Intel "safety" features LOL), too if you can while at it. And then put a tape over it and the mic for just in case. ;)

[@denisgraham2484]

I just bought a laptop with no camera.

[@Sarafimm2]

@@denisgraham2484 Some people get the laptops from work and have to use them. You can't change anything on them. The black electricians tape and silly putty are probably your best bet in those cases. You can take them off and clean it up relatively easily, and reapply just as easily. Even if you're fired, they can't say you damaged the equipment because of how easily it is to remove it. A hair dryer will ensure the tape and tackiness come off clean.

[@polymorpheus9745]

Years ago I had speculated that Norton had hackers in their basement developing and deploying virus software into the internet so they would always have a reason to stay in business.

[@user-is7es]

Mmm hmm. Complete racket.

[@godwinsboom]

That's Gates too. Even with the vaccines👀

[@justinplunton6031]

Technically you are not wrong, there are hackers 'white hackers' (which you get a licence to do) a friend of mine used to be one many years ago before they became greedy. Viruses have to be hacked themself in order to get rid of them. but i can assure you they do not do this haha

[@anthonypimentel7218]

I speculated that too lol

[@vhg8638]

thats not so hard to believe. world is ful of scammers like that

[@markellii3093]

I often got blamed for "breaking" our family pc. And ive believed it. After i got a laptop for my birthday i havent used the family pc. About 8 months pass and the charger dies, so i had to use the family pc. The keyboard was covered in sunflower seed shells and spilled tea with sugar. But that wasnt the worst part, the pc had 3 different antiviruses, 4 browsers(2 were chrome reskins), tons of search tabs and other stuff. Still not the worst part, a week after that i got blamed for "breaking" the family pc again. The pc i havent used in almost a year, which they had free range of and installed tons of garbage on, you got popups on the desktop, some from the antiviruses themselves.

[@sharthakghosh970]

Back when I was 12 or 13, I went through the same thing. I am a software engineer now but even now my family doesn't listen to me when I say certain boosting software don't work. Even after explaining, they don't want to listen to it.

[@brindlekintales]

Easy enough to replace the dead charger with a new one, for not very much money. Better than dealing with your computer illiterate family.

[@rustedyoda7339]

@@sharthakghosh970 truest shit i've heard in a while.

[@HerbalMoon17]

I have four browsers, but my top two are for different things (like being logged into two accounts on the same site), I have Chrome installed because some people are like, "yOu hAvE To hAvE ChRoMe tO Do tHe tHiNg!" and I keep Edge around for the, "If it doesn't work here, the site may be broken" situations. 😂

[@RonLarhz]

You can buy china chargers for 20bucks ish.

[@noRthstaR1]

I am glad I watched this video, though I know already about the stuff you discussed, but this is just an honest video that discuss the disadvantages of the some softwares WITHOUT promoting other products. Thank you. My first time to watch and now I am a follower. I'll check out your other videos

[@eschelar]

Did you know that Adobe allows their software to be pirated? The cracks that work on Adobe are the same exact cracks that have been used since photoshop 7 or earlier. There's minor differences, but they are essentially the same. I asked Adobe once at a job fair at my uni. I asked them because I knew they had really good student version pricing and I wanted to get in on that. Except here in Asia, for some reason, they don't... Their student version pricing required that the version you bought was the extended version of photoshop, which was regular price 1000 usd and discounted down to 700. Regular standard version of photoshop was 699. In the US, I think student version was 299. But you had to buy through the uni and they could only get what was regionally available. So I waited until I did a class back in Canada and bought in then with Production Premium cs5.5, which was an awesome deal. And then I upgraded to cs6 which was still cost effective. And then they screwed everyone with CC and I vowed "not one penny more" goes into their greedy pockets. And you had better believe I have lived up to that. Fuck em.

[@AnjanaLK]

I think up until CC 2018 Adobe allowed their software to be pirated. Not anymore, still there are pirated versions but they are not as clean as before. Also new features are cloud based, so pirating the main software does not allow use those features

[@eschelar]

@@AnjanaLK not even close to true. The methods are almost exactly the same and haven't changed. Also interesting is that there are some versions you can download directly from Adobe for free now. Older versions. Been a while since I checked on this, but the point is that Adobe knows they need pirating to remain industry dominant. I got a tablet a while back and I got infinite painter for literally two dollars. It's feature rich and can do almost everything I do on a regular basis with Ps. Layer masks, adjustment layers, clipping layers... Loads. It doesn't handle big batches like bridge and lr, but it's very powerful. I ditched lr mobile and Ps mobile years ago. But for big projects, I stick with my bread and butter that I have been using for 20+ years.

[@fredflintstone8569]

@@eschelar Microsoft allowed pirating as well. If everyone has Windows on their home computers then industries will want the same software because most people are familiar with it. Microsoft make their money on government/business licenses.

[@eschelar]

@@fredflintstone8569 yup. 100%. With windows 10 they even had provisions for people who had pirated earlier versions that they could upgrade for free for several months. You could literally set up a system with pirated win7 and get a legitimate copy of win10. I didn't do that myself because it made the wrong version and I'm a win10 ltsb/ltsc guy, but I know people that did it.

[@andreivaughn1468]

Adobe got really "lucky" by putting in tons of work and being one of the earliest and best when it came to photo editing - Photoshop has always been their golden goose and no other photo editing program can even come close to it, sadly. Why haven't the competition caught up? Pushed out of the market? Hindered by patents and copyright?

[@BlazerRox]

Adobe Acrobat Updater is practically a virus. There are so many software installers that by default will install Adobe Acrobat Reader and the updater. If you uninstall Acrobat, the updater is still running and puts it back. I've seen PCs with like 10 disabled acrobat updaters in the startup.

[@lightwoven5326]

Adobe requires connection to up to 38 Web sites to run its own updater. Try running that through Cabs for a locked down firewall...

[@oscarcharliezulu]

Yep - pretty much all pdf readers - just use your browser

[@perrypereyra6671]

can you explain that to more mate, I'm not well versed in that ​@@lightwoven5326

[@NelielSugiura]

I have managed fine with Foxit for some time, at least when I need to make changes/edits/form-fill. It is free and I never see anything from it unless I open it. They even have an option to disable their ad banner in settings. xD

[@Lobos222]

Yeah, I use the full version at work allot and because of this I have a "unlocked" version at home, an old one, and the amount of blocks in .host file and such needed to keep the updater or other away is a pain in the A.

[@glynnp42]

I've been an IT consultant for almost 40 years. I can attest that everything you said in this video is 100% true. Great job. Keep up the great work!

[@endrankluvsda4loko172]

For two summers in a row while I was still in school, my full time job was to work for an IT department at a factory going through all the new PC's they were buying and deleting all the garbage software they had preinstalled. It was such a long process that even doing it full time, it took me 6 months.

[@raffypasalo]

Wouldnt it be much faster to just reinstall the OS?

[@82Heniu82]

​@raffypasalo it would, or even have image ready. But then he would not have a full time job ;)😂

[@arthurfirth3366]

@@raffypasalo In the 80's we had a program for the Mac . This was the time when typing pools existed. The program would display a warning that water had been found in the hard drive. "Please standby while the water is being pumped from your hard drive". A schematic of the process with animated, pixel graphics would appear on the screen. Fun stuff.

[@myentertainment55]

Did you do mannually?😮 A bit of PowerShell knowledge could cut deleting process to just mere minutes (depends how fast system is and how much needed to be deleted). (If clear install was not an option)

[@ThatOne5]

16:54 I've uninstalled "everysingle" control centers/panels I had on my pc they all have telemetry and constantly communicating with AWS (Amazon Web Services) data centers Razer does this and MSI "LEDkeeper" "LEDKeeper2" processes for "Mystic light" keep writing on your drive like 0.1MB/s "THE WHOLE TIME" not a single break, it does this NON stop. This means 3,079GB/3. 079TB of writting life span lost per year.

[@EFGamingAoFistWarRobots]

It's really great that big KZbinrs are speaking the truth. I'm a developer and when you see how much damage bad virus scanners do to the economy in the form of lost productivity, I estimate the damage to be x times greater than that caused by viruses themselves. Backup systems and good hardware firewalls are much more efficient here.

[@scorchio70]

Nord VPN must have pulled his funds 😂

[@MrStevemur]

Hardware firewall? I didn't know that was still a thing. Don't wifi routers do the same thing?

[@needsmoreclipping]

Speaking the truth? LMAO! There are several instances of misinformation, half truths, and even some flat out lies in this video.

[@samiloom8565]

Isnt Norton a creator of some the viruses??

[@jf5336]

@@MrStevemurI'm hoping this dev can give us examples of h/w firewalls.

[@NorthernerInSpace]

Agree with everything apart from the VPN advice. Here in the UK if you travel to anywhere in Europe they are almost mandatory if you want to continue watching your streaming services. A VPN and an adblocker are the two things I would always have.

[@Cash0991]

Yeah, if they're encrypting your data that doesn't mean they have access to it. Especially if the encryption is happening on your machine. He also said for public WiFi "stay in incognito mode" but that literally does nothing to hide your data.

[@pwnograffik]

Yep agreed. It’s one thing to not recommend a specific company like NordVPN, but to propose that VPN providers are boogeymen out to steal your data is ridiculous.

[@TalesOfWar]

He wasn't against VPN's in and of themselves, just that some of them are basically doing what you're trying to get around and you're paying for them to do it in some cases, hence his advice to do some proper research on them.

[@Mateo-wf1yz]

I agree VPN is a tool you need. But there are very big differences between the different VPN´s. The best i found is Proton VPN that don't have access to your personal data and everything is transparent so the actual VPN code is published for everyone to look at. So no filthy things are in their code. Highly recommended.

[@Haladmer]

@@pwnograffik Part of the VPN is issue is a lot of them are actually owned by the same few companies, and depending on which report you believe roughly 1/3 to 1/2 of the VPNs on the market currently tie back to State-affiliated Chinese company ownership. Not saying those products are being used by the providing companies for extensive data capture, but there have been a lot of creditable reports strongly suggesting it's a more common issue than may be openly discussed.

[@kevinu.k.7042]

Great video - Thanks Microsoft Onedrive. I use this. Tip: remove it from your list of software to run at start up. When you want to sync your data to the cloud run it. Then exit again. It will then not be running in the background using up resources.

[@Adrian-yp7nb]

Agree 100%

[@Adrian-yp7nb]

I'd even suggest logging in via website rather than installing OneDrive. Great storage option and a lot of space for free for most people storing pics or docs

[@craigcook9715]

And you can automate it with rclone ... I use rclone + a crontab to backup my project every night in the middle of the night. It supports quite a few cloud providers (I'm using mega, but you could also use box, dropbox, gdrive, onedrive, aws, etc).

[@SerenoOunce]

Need to run a LIVE CD distro of Linux to navigate the the protected folder where the OneDrive installer lives (Windows\WinSxS). Only way to truly remove it is deleting the installer to begin with. Same with all the WinApps. Delete all the crap during a Win install and the bloat/spyware won't be there to begin with. Especially that Cortana c^!*.

[@SerenoOunce]

Takes a few extra min to sort the seeds, but then you won't be pulling any weeds.

[@kourkoumpinakis]

Finally someone came out and said what a load of crap are those boosters along with Norton and McAfee!!! I'm a computer tech and whenever a client had a "slow" computer, after a virus scan from my own tools (like Panda, Hitman or Comodo) I would uninstall their Norton or McAfee Suite and all other add on crap and leave them happy with only the Windows Defender, along with my tip to stay off porn sites. Btw, I love the way you left the video!!!!!😂😂😂😂

[@GDPanda69]

I'll never forget this error I got using Norton back in the 90s: Norton cannot detect Norton. I've never gone back, lol

[@NotSoNormal1987]

That takes me back. I remember seeing that exact warning.

[@NanoNutrino]

The bloatware was so bad on my friends brand new laptop that it literally took 15 minutes to start, that is not an exaggeration. He wanted me to see if I could do anything and I didn't think it was bloatware but a problem with the computer itself. Well after doing a full backup image, then installing windows clean, it started like it was nuthin. I couldn't believe it, a mainstream PC store was selling a line of laptops with bloatware so bad it makes a brand new laptop start up for 15 minutes before you can do anything. This was in 2011.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

Bloatware and single channel ram are normal laptop traits when you buy a new laptop these days

[@Suyneej]

I'm willing to bet millions of dollars it didn't literally take 15 minutes to boot

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

@@Suyneej it could with a old enough drive that was slow enough it could seriously take 15 minutes to boot mech drive do slow down over time so it's possible that one could slow down enough to slow down windows boot so it took 15 minutes

[@mibadi2631]

@@Suyneej An HDD with a ton of bloatware installed? Yep, that's possible.

[@BlueSparkzVideos]

It's been like that for a while. I used to work for an outsourced call center that took calls for a well known warehouse retailer. I'd get customers who would call in the same day after buying thier pcs complaining about pop-ups and virus alerts. It was always bloatware. We just walked them through a factory reset. A lot of customers just returned them, though.

[@jimrush2619]

Wow! I've been telling people not to use these software apps for years, and it's good to see supporting comments that will reach more audiences.

[@badgermacleod5588]

Same here dude. I worked in the tech sector for years & you would not believe the problems that arose from Norton, caffeine & bloatware. People would get so pissed off with me because they seen Norton as a hugely successful antivirus. If it's huge, it must be good. I once had the time to show someone how badly it wove itself through the registry & they were totally shocked. It wouldn't surprise me if they installed rootkits with their AV suites. Prebuilds were always a nightmare.

[@tommytatum9396]

Thanks!

[@XxhartsworldxX]

Hey jay. I just wanted to say. I know this isn’t relevant to you or anyone here. But watching your videos have helped me tremendously with my mental health. Dealing with life and difficult things. I always find myself here watching your videos and it brings me comfort as a pc guy myself. I’m not the smartest with them but I do learn everyday. And I wanted to say thank you. Ik you don’t know me. But In this weird way your videos have helped save my life. Much love brother and keep it up

[@jamescrouchet1283]

I get it. When I was struggling through PTS and couldn't relate to other people, video games with NPC companions helped me rebuild my social skills and my ability to care about something. They were a major therapeutic tool for me.

[@Theghostescapes]

I hear you! Just keep plugging away at daily life, and keep learning! When you are at rock bottom, you can only go up. I'm not the smartest either, but I've been doing this stuff since 1990, and knowledge is your best friend. Just keep doing what you do. Other people will appreciate you.

[@kevinrickey3925]

Outstanding. If you ever want to go deep into learning and how these suckers run, I can help. I keep tech reference manuals as they are my sanity and helpers.

[@Emmanuel_Rocha]

Give this guy more likes so Jay can see this.

[@MaryC-ug4pf]

My feelings exactly; it has also helped me.

[@GarethIzCool]

So an easy rule to remember is from the Richard Serra quote, "If something is free, you're the product"

[@SolitaryCore-mj2mr]

"Arasaka would like to know your location" ... The Stupendium - data stream Goddamit now I have that earworm again

[@LastofAvari]

Unless it's open source. Then you're a beta tester.

[@nubie1100]

Not if you crack that program

[@GarethIzCool]

@nubie1100 Well, I hate to be that guy, but if you cracked it, you didn't receive it for free, you stole it. If someone else cracked it you are probably still the product, you just don't know it. There is probably a botnet or crypto miner on your computer (or worse).

[@GregorianMG]

​@@GarethIzCoolAs a lot of people has already mentioned, if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing. Do it on big cooperation, but not on small creators.

[@snaketail114]

I actually got both Norton and McAfee scam emails and even got followed up with an email saying that I was charged on a paypal account I didn't even have.

[@Sorain1]

I always laugh at those 'charge to a service you don't use' ones.

[@MiaHessMusic]

Oh no, how terrible!

[@CrawPhotography]

15:51 - Bloatware - This is the exact reason any System/Laptop or anything I buy. I completely factory reset and format with my own install of Windows on a pen drive, So I have full control over what goes on the system. I've even swapped drives out completely before now and fresh installed on a fresh drive cause sometimes it was cheaper to buy a new drive, then pay for more storage etc.

[@DerRofflers]

BonziBuddy not mentioned, we're so back BonziBros

[@Man-xk9rz]

Rest in piss. Forever miss.

[@platterjockey]

I understand there is a current version of Bonzai Buddy, but it's ineffective on today's Windows versions.

[@Dave01Rhodes]

Man I remember that tutorial by Ramzi on how to pirate Bonzi Buddy. That’s how I got it back in the day.

[@akale2620]

Back to monke

[@notafanboy250]

@@Dave01Rhodes Ah yes. Ramzi lol. "Let's download some ware-ez". You just reminded me of Kevin Rose from those videos. I wonder what he's up to nowadays.

[@Robert-S-]

I stayed to the very end and was NOT disappointed. Great video!

[@cjeffcoatjr]

"the best way to not have to worry about wrapping your Jimmy is knowing where you're putting it is clean." Sage advice, Jay.

[@N7_Ronnie]

put that on a t-shirt lol

[@gavinbar1988]

It was a bit specific.

[@chrisguli2865]

"Don't stick it in if you know it's a sin!"

[@b0bbyblueyes746]

After 2 ex wives you can NEVER be sure where you put it IS clean!

[@d3entertainment830]

It's the truth. I had a nice lady from a place that we won't say gives massages say "Hey, I like you. Next time if you want to skip the protection." That was an instant nope! I like my life like my PC. I only play what I want how I want. The slightly safe sometimes crazy way.

[@johnnycondor]

Very good suggestions and dissuasions here. Thank you! And a very PERsuasive final point, as well! 😁👍

[@spencerwaters5962]

Amazing video Jay!! I'm an Advanced Repair Agent for Geek Squad and the programs you mentioned are ones we remove on client machines and recommend against using. I also recommend against using anything that mentions drivers. Always go to the manufacturer for drivers.

[@TalesOfWar]

Or rely on Windows update to handle them. It's generally pretty good at it even if they're not always the latest version.

[@briancollins7296]

even then ive gotten bit, i once had to go forum hunting for a driver to fix audio because the manufacturer dumped pure junk then stuck their fingers in their ears and have been babbling ever since

[@Microtic]

​@@TalesOfWarthe vendors need to pay Microsoft to update those though. So they only periodically update which can be bad for instance with new processor chipsets.

[@ArrowBast]

@@briancollins7296 the IDT Audio drivers were a total copout

[@wakegan791]

i was one of those people who installed four free antiviruses at once. i don't remember what they were, but Avast was one of them. i thought it would give my machine a boost and give me four layers of protection. i learned the hard way why i couldn't play video games above 16 frames.

[@StillAProudAmerican-ll2yc]

Avast is the name Jay was looking for when he said the program started with an "A".

[@metalvideos1961]

@@StillAProudAmerican-ll2yc Avira and AVG could be one of them as well.

[@anarcoi]

I could have been AVG too.

[@metalvideos1961]

@@anarcoi thats what i said

[@rebellionx420]

"YOU ARE A PROGRAMMER. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS SH**." absolutely sent me 🤣 people are so funny

[@somebodysomeone23]

Yeah. People should start going beyond a simple “programmer” classification in colloquial terms. It’s just too broad. I’ve had friends who are spectacular engineers in very specific programming areas wondering if a vpn connection would lower their latency to a server.

[@blubbspinat9363]

The most hilarious ones are the "RAM defragmenters" They do nothing but fill up the rest of the RAM by allocating every single bit left and then just dump it all at once. Like if that's doing anything meaningful.

[@ChillerStone2]

@@somebodysomeone23 Yes, everybody has their own strong suits and weaknesses. I dont think the problem is with the term though, there are plenty of people who call themselves mechanics, and could fix a really obscure problem in your Truck but may not know a damn about a motorbike or how a bicycle gear works.

[@SviatoslavDamaschin]

@@somebodysomeone23 Hmm, tbh that's a legit question, and the answer is yes, it will lower the latency to a server if the routing is pretty bad to begin with.

[@somebodysomeone23]

@@SviatoslavDamaschin nope

[@alangrant5684]

I've always built my hardware from scratch and installed my own OS and software then image. Love it. So far so good.

[@jimflagg4009]

Very brave of Jay to do this. These guys will never sponsor him. Guess he has moral fiber and is not a shill. Thanks for giving us the honest truth Jay.

[@andyinfared]

Nord used to sponsor him lol

[@KellicTiger]

Jay would never accept a sponsor from them anyways so no loss.

[@KellicTiger]

@@andyinfared Yep. And he dropped them as soon as their trust was lost. He did a complete talking head video on this if I remember correctly.

[@MegaLokopo]

He is quite the hypocrite though talking about spyware while running windows and edge.

[@SharkRoach1]

@@MegaLokopo Don't use any browser that uses Chromium if that's what your comment is going to be.

[@andreaswheeler]

I've watched hundreds of your videos, never commented, but I'm a subscriber. i feel i have to comment today though. That's the best ending ever to any tech video i have ever seen..

[@A_Handle_2_Continue]

I have actually told my customers similar stories.

[@ldm125]

Oh man. I work in a computer repair shop and have identical advice for countless customers. Idk why I even watched the video.. may just to know that even one other person has some sense out there! Unrelated, that send off was perfect. Keep doing what you do man!

[@randokaratajev2617]

you so smart omggg you work in a computer repair shop. That's like the hardest IT job out there am I right? Thank god you and one other person has sense in this world! Jokes aside, your comment reflects how little you think of other people while actually not being anything great yourself. As a programmer, I'm getting paid more than you will ever get with your overhours, while I only have to write a few lines of code per day. "Thank god I have sense in this world unlike others"

[@ldm125]

@@randokaratajev2617 Christ, get a therapist dude.

[@_PatrickO]

What kind of PSU's does your shop use? A local place by me has been scamming people by using crappy 300 watt psus in their builds. The other components are actually fine, but the crappy psu guarantees failure or instability forcing people to pay for diagnostic and repair down the road. A relative used them and replacing the psu was the fix. It booted, but was unstable.

[@Elvis.D99]

​@@randokaratajev2617 Hahaha, why so heated?! Poor guy was just expressing his gratitude

[@ldm125]

@@_PatrickO We spec out all kinds, but Seasonic is probably the best on the market right now. The new MSi MAG PSUs look promising too, with a 10 year warranty. What are you running in your PC for hardware?

[@NALogik]

It took a 5 minute conversation with all of my grandparents on what's sketchy and what's not on the internet: Ad block, triple check email addresses, If it's too good to be true it's probably fake, & windows defender is good enough if you listen to the previous tips. Haven't heard any PC issues other than basic maintenance from them.

[@michaelbailey427]

Working in Computer Sales, One of the most interesting things i found with Norton was that, i ran another antivirus while Norton was on the PC as well. It got a hit saying that there was a virus hidden in Norton. This made sense as a heap of customers were getting virus on their computers once the Norton subscription had run out. Some hadn't even been on the internet and the virus popped up from nowhere.

[@Educated2Extinction]

A competitor doing that makes a lot of sense, I'd say.

[@nesamdoom]

@@Educated2Extinction AV software is intrusive, all of them should flag each other. So, it does make sense.

[@Bleepoh]

my grandfather was held hostage on his computer because of norton they made him pay a ransom to get his login back.

[@PexiTheBuilder]

Some virus-scan told windows is harmful.

[@Educated2Extinction]

@@PexiTheBuilder Can't say that's entirely wrong.

[@R1Armadill0]

Shame that the people that NEED this kind of info won't ever see it... Thanks for putting this out there! Cheers!

[@paulbarnett227]

I’m saving it to send to people who DO need it. It’s excellent advice.

[@windowscrap1269]

Microsoft Edge hidden feature?????

[@ScepticPJ]

Unfortunately, that is so true.

[@Domspun]

Should be thought in school.

[@jamison85]

I absolutely feel your pain about optimizers. Doesn't matter how often I ask him not to, my dad will occasionally install those "PC cleaner and optimizer" on his laptop. He'll also install three of them side by side, and then ask me why his system is running slow. Fun fact - one of them once wiped a bunch of his documents.

[@dddux]

Great joke. Yes, regular Windows users just install random crap regularly. Many of them don't even realise when they install them. When I ask "what's this for?" it's usually "I don't know..."

[@Allie-w1l]

Maybe...he's trying to drive you *crazy!*

[@jamison85]

@@Allie-w1l "but it came for free on this software magazine cd" 🙄

[@timbenj77]

Yup. Norton and McAfee are the epitome of "you die the hero or you live long enough to become the villain." That's my secret, Cap...I *am* the virus.

[@mitcharbiter3371]

Time for revenge for taking away the keys to the car when you were a teen because you might do something stupid. 😆

[@glendonrichards686]

Great informative content. I got rid of McAfee, do you have any suggestions for good affordable anti virus software?

[@recumbentrocks2929]

Great advice. Whenever I buy a new machine the first thing I do is wipe the hard drive and re-instal windows. Simple.

[@nobody.of.importance]

THIS. They've made it so easy to do a fresh install these days compared to back on 95/98, virtually anyone can do it.

[@elesissieghart]

and how do you reclaim the paid windows and office there? seriously asking

[@nobody.of.importance]

@@elesissieghart Machines that came with Windows pre-installed used to have stickers with the product key somewhere on them, or maybe somewhere in the rest of the packaging. You can usually use that. These days, the key is saved to a special place that won't be affected when you wipe the hard drive (ie the BIOS or UEFI), so when you reinstall it it finds that key and reuses it. With Office, likewise they used to use stickers somewhere in the packaging, but nowadays it's tied to your Microsoft account. As long as you sign in with the same email, you'll still have access to your programs. (KZbin refused to show this comment on my screen so if you're seeing two copies of the same comment, blame them. Sorry bout that.)

[@meisievannancy]

​@@elesissieghartinstall openoffice. Just as good imo.

[@rewing4880]

@@elesissieghart Try Linux Mint. A full working office suite is included for free. Since I did 12 years ago, I have not spent a dime on software since. I did donate to Linux for the software, but that was optional.

[@TerryMundy]

ISPs will see a large rebellion if they deny work VPNs.

[@hmmmmmmmmm]

With net neutrality being restored, they also risk getting sued and hit by the FCC if users can prove they aren't doing anything illegal while they're being throttled.

[@NorthstriderGaming]

and what do people wanna do about it? Go offline? Yeah, good luck with that.

[@daniellundberg2875]

Naah, despite what every youtuber in existence will tell you, you don't need a VPN.

[@tacticalmattress]

​@@daniellundberg2875been torrenting for over a decade. No VPN. No issue. ISP don't care anyway

[@Fast1r1s]

@@daniellundberg2875 He is talking about work VPNs which you DO need to you know.... WORK

[@rosswitte]

When a product is free, then you are the product...

[@cpt.tryhard6554]

Damn right

[@9Lights]

Not with Linux, GNU. But mostly, you're right.

[@mgtowmonger2729]

@@9Lights tails os never fails hehe.... the feds of all countries hate it though! (heavily armored for privacy linux distro)

[@lukusblack6442]

Not always true. There are programmers who build shit for utilitarian reasons. They love what they do, and give it away for free. Just look at the wide array of Linux builds.

[@Conenion]

Except F/OSS software.

[@python27au]

12:27 i used one of these programs back 2002 it destroyed my registry and i forced to reinstall windows. Never used one since.

[@PhilErringtonSK7]

I'm 30 years running a PC business and Jay absolutely hits with his analysis here. Less is more. If you really want to protect yourself you need to educate yourself to scams, ways adverts can manipulate you, what you shouldn't click, how not to download crap and how to read fakes. Something Jay is helping you with here. Great work Jay.

[@Bullminator]

Same applys to phones. SO MANY FUCKING APPS....you dont need that shit. Music, mail, game emulator is more than enogh for a phone.

[@Qbikk]

@@Bullminator ah yes the game emulator so u can run the downloaded games from a pirate site which includes all kinds of protection headaches :D the things we do for pokemon

[@PhilErringtonSK7]

@@Qbikk Once upon a time I used to believe free stuff was built by charitable programmers. Not true that often nowadays (exception being stuff like libre office under GNU public license).

[@jomerrell]

Thanks for this. My dad's no longer around to advise me. Until he was 84 he was still building his own computers. He hated pretty much everything that came along after DOS (sort of joking here) He was so frustrated with all the extraneous stuff that was built into or added on to computers. I, as his 72 year old daughter am extremely careful and have my computers built to specifications I choose. And I don't use Google!

[@jazzcatt]

You are commenting on a KZbin video and you have a user name. Surprise! You are using Google! I guess you didn't know Google bought KZbin ages ago!

[@BlitzinMackGaming]

​@@jazzcatt😂

[@randomguyonyoutube5875]

​@@jazzcattLMAOOOOO

[@Sarafimm2]

Google is so ubiquitous, I don't think anyone can get away from using it in one form or another if they're on the internet often. And if you can, more power to you!

[@garyphisher7375]

@@jazzcatt I try not to use Google, but Google won't allow it. Have you noticed the decline of KZbin since Google bought it - I'm slowly drifting to other platforms. Their search engine is nothing of the sort - it's like the old phone books, and only those who have paid (and have the right kind of politics) will be included. Gmail is acceptable. Maps is probably the best feature it offers.

[@FrozenKnight21]

These are the same recomendations I've been giving people for years. Thank you, for verifying from a trusted source.

[@RachelRose-k6l]

I absolutely LOVE your videos. So easy to understand and great advice. This should be a prerequisite for anyone that owns a pc.

[@ImranOO7]

Jay always says that a specific link will be included in the description box and guess what, it’s NEVER there. This happens EVERY TIME and I’ve been watching this channel for sometime now.

[@jessicalawson1417]

It is honestly driving me crazy, come on Jay!

[@ImranOO7]

@@jessicalawson1417 I don’t think it’s Jays fault here, I think it’s Phil, he does the editing and so he should be including them but then again as he’s forgotten then it’s Jays fault, he should remind him or have it written so that Phil remembers to include it.

[@GroetenUitNederland]

PHHIILLLLLL WHEATON!

[@morid3938]

PHILLLLL!!!!

[@Kafe5873]

TBF on this one in particular he mentioned they crashed their site last time by doing this, I guess he didn't put 2 and 2 together in the moment and decided after the fact that maybe lets not do that again, or at least not this soon lol...

[@micheskillz]

The mcafee story is insane, people should def watch that and it would change their mind, 100% of not using that sh*t.

[@itsdokko2990]

90% of all laptops come with that STD pre-installed. Came installed in my new laptop, obviously, it was gone at the very first boot

[@codytarbotton7017]

He sold the company to management over 25 years ago. He tried to get his name back but it was part of the deal. Is he still in a Spanish fridge?

[@classicallpvault]

@@codytarbotton7017He faked his own death and is now ruling over an underground goblin realm.

[@chinesepopsongs00]

Do not uninstall Microsoft parts as onedrive just configure them to not do anything. Works much better that way.

[@WayStedYou]

What do you mean? the man himself told you not to install his software and had nothing to do with the company for near 20 years

[@indus3270]

As a rule of thumb, you should always check if there is an open-source alternative to whatever you want to install. Not that you HAVE to run the open-source software per se, but if it doesn't exist in open source, it's likely useless anyway. The added benefit of open source software is that you (or your techie friend) can verify what the software does exactly, before you install it. Up next: simply avoid the use browser extensions as a general rule. Most of them are the software that is tracking you, and if they're not actively tracking you, they may be used to fingerprint your browser to track you anyway. Another tip: don't use coupons either, whether digital or on paper, because they're used to track you too. Coupons are given out to people who give up a certain level of privacy and the price reduction is usually not worth it.

[@TheAechBomb]

the only coupons I use are the mass-mailed ones, everyone gets them and I go there anyway

[@DKTGAMING]

omg that ending is so Classic Jay out of nowhere with random stuff love it!!!

[@Paul.Douglas]

You’re a true IT guy right there! I’m sure you can imagine how many PC’s I “fixed” that had most of all that crap you mentioned.

[@needsmoreclipping]

LMAO! The video has several instances of misinformation. half truths, and even some flat out lying.

[@kalackninja]

@@needsmoreclipping you gonna provide examples? case its basic but its not wrong

[@ultramegax]

@@kalackninja ​ Yep. Very disappointed in this video. For example, saying that all shopping extensions are bad is a total lie. CamelCamelCamel is awesome as is Rakuten. He also talks about using Incognito Mode on public Wi-Fi. Why...? Incognito Mode has nothing to do with the security of public Wi-Fi. He's literally talking out of his rear for half of it. If he wanted to be helpful he would point out alternatives. For example, using Bitdefender's free version or just Microsoft Defender, instead of Norton.

[@needsmoreclipping]

@@kalackninja Sure. I can do that. Have my granddaughter today so I'll go through the video again later tonight, take notes, then post back.

[@unknowngamedev909]

​​@@needsmoreclipping replying so yt informs me if you actually do it

[@komnishura]

Oh, remember my struggles uninstalling Norton many years ago. I am pretty tech savvy, but that almost bested me!

[@ajohnson153]

That one and McAfee antivirus. Those programs are like cancer on a pc. They put files everywhere that don't go away just because you uninstall the program.

[@regwatson2017]

You clearly never found out the single Norton uninstaller tool that has been around for absolutely years. Run it and it uninstalls all of the Norton software. Not very tech savvy after all are you ?....😅😅😅

[@jamesbyrd3740]

Idk how many times I have tried to fix a client's computer, can't figure out why it's not working, and then see Norton is preventing me from doing something basic, like sharing a printer. And you can't uninstall it, because it belongs to the customer, and they probably wasted money on it.

[@JarlBorg93]

RevoUninstaller will scan for loose files and delete it ALL.

[@guntereisenherz9102]

I remember when it kept telling me, it could not delete stuff, because the process was still running, so i renamed random files, so the processes would crash, since i had no idea what task manager was or how to uninstall programs.

[@lauraandalex]

First thing that I uninstall when I buy a new Dell is McAffee... thank you for vindicating this! 🙂

[@user-is7es]

The first thing you should be doing when buying a new Dell is throwing it away and getting a better PC. 🙄

[@invisibleink5395]

First thing to do is not buy a Dell

[@6581punk]

Just format and reinstall Windows. Simpler.

[@RaymondHng]

Just order the Dell without McAfee pre-installed.

[@Ripperx121]

Format it right away. It is much faster.

[@doberman2304]

"So yeah guys, dont use vpns, its not worth it, besides if you didnt do anything wrong you got nothing to hide right? *gets arrested for wrongspeach in London*

[@VincentBeauregard-i8o]

Great job on the outro guys! That and the iFixIt interruptions is what keeps me coming back!

[@thomasnostradamus]

This channel’s war on convenient video chapters continues

[@williamcase426]

wat about bonsai buddy

[@Hdcrafter_lp]

don't forget to download some more RAM

[@One-Crazy-Cat]

Just downloaded 2tb. lol

[@Palmtop_User]

I get that with bonzai buddy. Makes the computer much more usable

[@djentmaster4203]

just stop dude🤣

[@myowngenesis]

😂😂😂. Download RAM?? AHH gotta love the internet

[@broken1965]

Thats sooooold you need GPU power downloader 😅

[@HCoRE8]

Very useful video. Thank you for uploading.

[@clintonknight9798]

PUP-ware really needs to be talked about today. Remarkable how much crap that used to come with an app and the uninstaller was even a junk PUP that would install other crap while you removed an app.

[@Sinjito]

I wonder if there's a universe out there where Jay actually remembers to link things he says he will in the description. Like at least once...

[@YonjiBajonji]

😂🤣😂

[@dotms5195]

At least he made sure to put the affiliate links in there.

[@djentmaster4203]

ya i noticed that lol

[@malsell]

Hey Jay, glad to see you back. Hope you're feeling better

[@azarellediaz4892]

Ok, so neither Norton nor McAfee or NordVPN, what do you recommend for anti-virus/spam/ad blocker suit do you recommend, and why? I travel within the USA and the Philippines, which VPN options do I have? I need these for Windows and Mac.