AMD Radeon 890M vs. Intel Arc 140V (Core Ultra 7 258V)

[@Hubwood]

CORRECTION: The Chart says 780M when it's of course the 890M. Forgot to change the Name. Values are correct though.

[@Rayu25Demon]

stop watching ETA Prime you may get stupidity cancer.

[@bmqww223]

just change the annoying music , its too loud and punchy , a sooting low volume music would be better for this cases, keep it at dim volume......

[@jupiterloverful]

correct the description aswell.

[@Hubwood]

@@bmqww223 No.

[@Bokfan_SL]

​@@Hubwoodbased response 🗿

[@prem3548]

Hopefully Intel keeps improving their drivers. The fact that it can match 890m in some cases is very impressive given just how far behind they were last gen.

[@rattlehead999]

Meteor Lake was still a massive improvement over their previous generations.

[@syedjunaidsher474]

wow this generation of intel has really pulled something special the performance is similar to 890m despite running at same or lower wattage guess when engineers are hired to run the company rather than accountants you get better results

[@GraveUypo]

i'm just happy that both are viable now

[@ramr7051]

Crazy performance for igpus. Sorry graphics cards, you're becoming less relevant for normal people

[@Sumire9287]

It depends. To me it only matters in handhelds and really thin laptops, but these are not necessarily the most cost effective solution, specially the laptop. You can spend so much less and get a dedicated gpu and that way get way more performance for cheaper. That said, I’m glad iGPUs improve, because I love handhelds.

[@akin242002]

​@alexbraundelacruz9690 But the battery life is usually 3-5 hours max for gaming laptops with a dedicated GPU. These laptops are for working professionals that want some light gaming and good battery life too.

[@roqeyt3566]

Hard agree Especially with "low end" GPUs suffering more in the long term due to a fixed amount of VRAM Take the APU pill

[@Jackpkmn]

@@roqeyt3566 Except that people end up with those because they buy cheaper laptops. These powerful igpus will only be in the highest end most expensive cpus. Your $300 shittop will still perform very VERY badly because it won't have this powerful of an igpu. It'll have one cut down to maybe 30% of the performance.

[@lemontree5986]

as soon Igpus can play esport game at 200+fps it over

[@akin242002]

Whoa! Getting 50+ FPS on Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p resolution from an iGPU is crazy. The AMD Radeon 890M is worth the money for people that have multi-core power needs for work. Fortune 500 programmers using Java primarily. Non-programming engineers will use a dedicated GPU. Battery life isn't as good as Lunar Lake CPUs, but 8 hours of regular use unplugged and 2 hours of gaming use unplugged is still respectable.

[@muhd95]

He used fsr quality.

[@chiaza7735]

Its not just battery life. Its lower heat and fan noise too

[@abaj006]

I think if you disable 4 cores and hyper threading on the AMD, you will find it gets just as good battery life as Lunar Lake.

[@nocapproductions5471]

​@@abaj006nope, the intel apu is more efficient

[@fullerfit93]

At 30 watts they are similar. Radeon has years of drivers. I wouldnt be surprised if I'm about a year Intel is ahead.

[@Khalidd7]

intel use 3nm also higher memory bandwith 8444 mt/s vs 7500 mt/s and amd use 4nm just wait for 3nm chip (z2 extrem chip) because ryzen AI 370 is 12 core while lunar lake is 8 core dose not consume like 12 core.

[@gezimislamaj5309]

​@@Khalidd7 when will the next ryzen ai chips be released?

[@Khalidd7]

@@gezimislamaj5309 ces

[@rattlehead999]

@@Khalidd7 The Z2 extreme most likely won't be on 3nm.

[@Khalidd7]

@@rattlehead999 it will be on 3nm because the z1 extreme was on 4 nm also amd delayed the announcement to ces.

[@J.Wick.]

These things have gotten insane. Incredible performance for an igpu. PC handhelds about to take off big big. Glad Intel is worth speaking of in this world again as well. Competition is king

[@okestgamer]

Great video! These tests give me some hope for intel to make some progress

[@bramtyo1218]

Impressive for Igpu now!.. my old laptop R3 5300u (vega 6 igpu) fell slow like amd A series 😂😂 I hope soon can upgrade for my old laptop 🙃

[@alderlake12th]

The chart seems wrong? Also Intel still done better than these UHD/Iris Xe Waiting for the 288V/HX370 at full power The Arc 140V still get a great performance at low power, sometimes beating the HX370 at 50W

[@Hubwood]

The Chart says 780M when it's of course the 890M. Forgot to change the Name. Values are correct though. 🙈

[@azraeihalim]

AMD barely have any improvement when going above 35W in this gen APU. Why need to compare 50W AMD with 30W Intel? No body use 50W on the go.

[@alderlake12th]

@@azraeihalim Also that couldn't be fair for that comp

[@Hubwood]

@@azraeihalim WHat are you complaining about excactly? :D I also compared it at 20W and 30W? If youre not interested in the 50W just ignore it ;) But I wanted to show the maximum performance. No nobody will use 50W on the go. But if it's plugged in, people will use that of course.

[@azraeihalim]

@@Hubwood yes but comparing adding 50W results just waste of time as laptop mean to be on the go. Even on a plug wall, 50W doesn't give significant improvement that worth extra fan noise and heat. It will be much better adding results 15W or 10W. To see how much performance we could get during power saving or silent fan mode.

[@ramadona5864]

love to see this competition,between amd and intel, next will be curious to see ARM vs x86 in game, video editing or 3d aplication

[@djayjp]

What laptop was used for the 890m? Also the Zenbook S14? My understanding is the S16 version is power limited, but (oddly enough) not the S14 version. Not sure about Vivobook version.

[@Hubwood]

Vivobook S14

[@Loczek531]

@@Hubwood Unfortunately Vivobook performs noticeably above average for 890m, Zenbook vs Zenbook would be pretty much equal

[@openboxtherapy1010]

a bit of a tangent but specifically for handhelds, which do you predict would perform better, Intel Core Ultra 7 258V in the MSI Claw AI or the Z2 extreme in the upcoming Lenovo Legion GO2?

[@061_arsh]

Well presented! 🎉

[@Hubwood]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@pmatias]

Is Intel scaling better with the watts?

[@roqeyt3566]

In part yes, but AMD has a higher ceiling so it will overtake it if you juice it enough The thing with intel on low wattages is that it also uses that wattage for memory, whilst AMD gives power to that separately. 20w AMD is basically 17-18w intel, if you do watt for watt

[@pmatias]

@@roqeyt3566 lets see in 30w consoles, ive seen other reviews 30W where Intel wins, idk what I can pick of this

[@TonLopChanhNY]

amd 4nm, inteo 3nm

[@discerningcucumber7559]

@@roqeyt3566 isn't it ultra 7 ultra 9 should perform equal

[@rattlehead999]

@@discerningcucumber7559 They do

[@handlemonium]

Overclocked* Radeon 890M @ 89W vs GTX 1060 or RX 480 at some point? 🙏 *(+500Mhz on LPDDR5X-7500, +200Mhz on 890M boost clock, and "unlocked" 89W power limit via Universal x86 Tuning Utility on the Beelink SER9 or similar)

[@rafradeki]

Mobile igpu is not overclockable

[@handlemonium]

@@rafradeki Yeah not normally, but go watch ETA Prime's video and report back.

[@UserUsing2]

what is the dedicated GPU memory used for 890m? (since it can be increased up to 8GB with "Variable-Graphics Memory" in AMD software

[@notmuzammil]

POV: Everyone thinks both CPUs provide the same kind of performance until you see the RAM usage

[@alephmoments7519]

Some kids never understand that Gpu will not never death also Ryzen ai 9 hx is very expensive and if we make a pc from that price which that laptop is coming on that price we easily make a pc with rtx 4060ti

[@mmkm_yt8074]

Could you also test if it can run ghost of tsushima?

[@roqeyt3566]

Do the wattages presume package power or just CPU power? Since LNL has on-die memory, it accounts for a lil 2w of the package power

[@Hubwood]

Package power!

[@SY-zv2cz]

Intel's package power also includes memory, so at 20 W package power it may not be sending enough power to the iGPU. Maybe they need to tweak the power sharing algorithm a little more for gaming.

[@tobfon2416]

Cant wait for the new handhels. It is head to head at 30W

[@bugisuhana1365]

conclusion is start at 11:21

[@testlan7765]

Igpu is crazy now. ❤❤❤❤

[@kendicloud]

have they reached like a 3050 discrete laptop performance already?

[@Hubwood]

Close for the low power version. Not yet in all cases.

[@mariopenulli1395]

Why do you sometimes use upscaling and sometimes you don't? Would have been better with the same settings across all games.

[@Hubwood]

Because some people want upscaling and some don't, so there's something for everyone.

[@facemcshooty9274]

these igpu,s are great , whats not so great is that most handhelds , mini pc,s won,t have a cooling solution to support higher tdp,s , to get the most out of these fantastic mobile chips , Gm Tek has announced a mini pc with a bigger then normal cooling solution , sporting a HX 375 , that should be the trend to get the most out of these chips , instead of the 15 -54 Watts tdp , build a bigger/thiccer mini pc/laptop haha , rawrr

[@Ali-ue2mo]

What laptop was used to test 890M?

[@warlockboyburns]

if 80wh batteries is the new baseline for handhelds then it might be worth putting arc in new handhelds.

[@Doblejesungly886]

and how does the core 19 ultra 185h run games?

[@gezimislamaj5309]

@Hubwood where did you get these laptops with these CPU in Germany? I haven't seen any available or they're so so overpriced.

[@Hubwood]

Review sample from ASUS.

[@정지성-i8z]

Memory usage between Intel and Ryzen The difference seems so drastic. Isn't that right?

[@NothingNewNerd]

Power difference is bigger, intel is at 30 watts with ram, which consumes about 2-3 watts; so its 28 watt intel vs 50 watt amd

[@shremk9100]

It's worth noting that these two chips handle TDP quite differently. The Intel chip's TDP is the total package power, which accounts for everything on the SoC including RAM and WiFi/Bluetooth, whereas it would only be the CPU and GPU power on the AMD chip. As such, if you were to set both TDPs to the same 20W value, the total motherboard power from the AMD laptop would be higher than that of the Intel giving it a smal advantage overall. This is less of an issue at higher TDPs, but for something like a handheld would make a pretty big difference to performance and battery life.

[@Hubwood]

Right, should have mentioned that!

[@ozoh8285]

Intel is doing the same performance jump against amd that amd did to nvidia. Nice to see. Good for all consumers.

[@m-b079]

Should I buy Zenbook S 14 (Lunar Lake 288v) or Zenbook S 16 (Ryzen 9 AI 370)?

[@fpshunter]

If you don’t need more time work you have to get AMD, but Intel is more energy efficient now. So for gaming I’d prefer AMD

[@dirtydirtsgt4751]

I chose lunar lake for battery life. Performance is great and the igpu is impressive

[@Maverick_1887]

At the end of the video ....In RDR2 INTEL is giving 54 FPS at just 29W while AMD is giving 53 FPS at double the power OF 60W??

[@riyalhai]

Is it good for doing animation work in blender? (Not too heavy or hyper realistic animations)….Currently i work on Mac Mini M2 (8gb/256 gb) and it is doing a pretty good job for me…But for future work will this laptop be useful? Please reply 🙏🏻 PS: I am not tech geek, so if anyone knows please give feedback. thanks.

[@Hubwood]

If Blender is important I would get a laptop with a dedicated GPU instead...

[@Me-eb3wv]

My 12 gen Intel i7 can play the latest AAA single player games at 1080p low @35/40 FPS which is impressive ngl

[@x0vg5hs1]

How much is the intel gpu cut down on entry level i3? Is it like amd where ryzen 3 and 5 I gpu is not even worth comparing to 7y old Vega in zen 2 apus?

[@Hubwood]

This is not available on i3 Level. There are Core Ultra 5 versions, not core Ultra 3... there is this 140V Version and a slightly slower 130V aswell.

[@ZenKnights]

from all the lose streak intel had, they just got one big W with this one. i really hope battlemage will make a dent on the marketshare!

[@ankitraj-mp5mn]

890M is really something else

[@kennytay7210]

Besides Forza Horizon 5, I feel the frametime graph on the Arc 150V to fluctuate a lot more, which is not a good thing.

[@arakainer]

Radeon on 50W is super strong

[@handlemonium]

Even better @ 89W as shown by ETA Prime

[@EthanCarey-p8k]

How are thermals at that power?? Particularly in a handheld ..​@@handlemonium

[@dajymadashiro]

It would be interesting to see the difference between the u7 and u9, despite being a small clock increase and using the same IGPU, the u9 proved to be far superior to the u7.

[@Leonardo-hy3qj]

Hello, really interesting and unique video. How low can tdp get? Would it be possible to test at 17w or even 9w?

[@Hubwood]

Yes that would be possible

[@Leonardo-hy3qj]

@Hubwood i will wait then 🙏

[@Hubwood]

@@Leonardo-hy3qj I'm not saying I'm doing it, I'm saying it's possible 😅 need to see if I have time for that, maxbe a short video

[@Leonardo-hy3qj]

@@Hubwood i know, i know. It would be interesting though, no one did that rn. if you will do the video, i'll gladly do the calculations of efficiency and peff and i'll share them with you and to the viewers as i already did in some of your other videos

[@Hubwood]

Ah what the heck, I'll make a short video comparing a few games at 4 different lower wattages ;)

[@ArutoEgo]

can test both at 15W?

[@PandaMoniumHUN]

What machine was used for 890M?

[@Hubwood]

Asus VivoBook S14. I made a full review about it.

[@Thushar_Nambeesan]

Which laptop is the ryzen one

[@Hubwood]

The 890m.

[@varadillath4508]

Can you please test Dota 2 maximum graphics setting on its native resolution? 2880 by 1800, please 🙏

[@Hubwood]

I can quickly add that. Yes. I'm only using live replays though, I don't play it myself. But it should be the same performance since it's rendered out in real time.

[@varadillath4508]

@@Hubwood thank you so much

[@Hubwood]

@@varadillath4508 around 55 FPS on average and 40 for the 1% low

[@eric131313]

Intel done great job with this new igpu

[@m-b079]

Which one is better for 4k video editing

[@Hubwood]

Both are capable of doing that alright:)

[@m-b079]

@@Hubwood Should I buy Zenbook S 14 (Lunar Lake) or Zenbook S 16 (Ryzen 9 Ai 370)?

[@rattlehead999]

@@m-b079 If you want to run the laptop on battery Lunar Lake, if you want to run it plugged in and don't mind it being warm AI HX370

[@mariopenulli1395]

Lunar Lake has the better software support for iGPU acceleration.

[@maeltech8038]

Al parecer el punto dulce de loas nuevos core ultra 7 258v son los 30 W mientrras que en los ryzen AI 375 son los 20W

[@aymanelzain1271]

Now something like RTX 2050 or even 3050 don't make any sense with those kind of igpu.

[@Hubwood]

Well even the 3050 in the low powered version is still a bit faster, but yeah it's getting close. The advantage of the iGPUs is, that they often can use more VRAM hence use ultra textures without any problems ...

[@stephanuswidjaja105]

the era of Graphic card End here.. lunar lake, hx370 for the win..

[@rattlehead999]

What about at 15W?

[@Hubwood]

I'd love to test and compare all wattages and multiple settings, but it's just impossible since I don't have the time for that, sorry 😔

[@rattlehead999]

@@Hubwood Ok, no problem, I was curious.

[@izcondoralexander]

I wonder what igpu will AMD put in Z2 apu

[@rattlehead999]

The same as in the HX370, an 890m, but the leaks suggest that it will be 3P + 5C cores to reduce the power draw of the CPU as much as possible, so that the iGPU gets more of the power budget.

[@NothingNewNerd]

​@@rattlehead999maybe 5-10% improvement, nothing major, its slightly tweaked

[@rattlehead999]

@@NothingNewNerd Yup

[@Cenkolino]

@@NothingNewNerd That 10% can be the difference between stable 60 fps and not. I think, especially with handheld PCs, every percent of extra power counts.

[@isahjabea7402]

Why does Intel use so much ram?

[@doddt2002]

I wonder why we not seen any Intel Core Ultra 9 288V laptops yet? Have heard that chipset is considerably more powerful at gaming frame rates than the Core Ultra 7 258V.

[@MLWJ1993]

Uhhh, on paper it's just a slight overclock. Nothing truly magical about it, it's the same 8 Xe cores according to Intel specs sheet.

[@candycane-xp4yw]

z2 extreme will perform better than HX370 at low power

[@rattlehead999]

Yes, the leaks suggest 3P + 5C cores so the iGPU will get a higher power budget.

[@ondrejbelan1463]

why does intel need twice as much RAM?

[@Hubwood]

That is not necessarily the "used" ram but the "reserved" ram...

[@lightninghell4]

High FPS tests dont properly test iGPU here since they are becoming CPU limited.

[@rattlehead999]

No they are not, both CPUs are more than powerful enough for their iGPUs.

[@lightninghell4]

@@rattlehead999 Thats not how that works. The higher the framerate, the harder CPUs have to push draw calls, game logic, physics, etc. GPU is just for rendering. To properly test a GPU, you need a GPU limiting case i.e. high res, high settings.

[@rattlehead999]

@@lightninghell4 these GPUs are on par with a gtx 1660, are you saying that the Zen5 inside the 370HX isn't strong enough for the gtx 1660 to bottleneck it? A GPU that is weaker than a gtx 1070 which ran on i5 4000 series no problem.

[@lightninghell4]

@@rattlehead999 Depending on the scenario, even a 7800X3D can bottleneck a mid tier GPU. For example, running CSGO at 720 low. The GPU will be able to push out more frames for the 7800X3D to handle. since we know Lunar lake CPU < 370HX, high FPS tests will innaccurately show 370HX winning when in fact both GPUs are roughly on par.

[@rattlehead999]

@@lightninghell4 at that point you don't care about the bottleneck or the GPU... But he is testing graphically demanding AAA games at 1080p.

[@rudrodhali1257]

Intel cpu usage is crazy high!!!

[@Hubwood]

That's because the intel onl has 8 cores and 8 threads, that's why it appears "full" quickly. But it won't be a bottleneck in any game really. The iGPU will be the bottleneck in almost all cases.

[@SightlyJester]

I dont trust this comparaison, in all other videos lunar lake beat strix point in Cyberpunk 2077.

[@Hubwood]

Nope that's not true. See ETAPrime for example

[@Hubwood]

Nope that's not true. See ETAPrime for example

[@SightlyJester]

@@Hubwood Another example, for same games that you tested, from one hour ago posted in youtube, total different results: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5iaZZSLhqyXick

[@Hubwood]

I can't do anything different than using newest drivers and just test both devices. I don't know how he tested them but I gave the wattage info. Otherwise both ran at highest fan speeds. And haven't checked which laptop he used for 890m. If this are the results for ME who is "pretty familiar" with how to test laptops, I assume this will happen to others as well. Also iGPUs and mobile GPUs are much harder to benchmark than Desktop GPUs as there are just so many factors, driver issues and potential problems. I can only assure you I didn't fake anything here 🤷

[@blackdragon4254]

Can’t even buy the 32gb and 1tb storage in my country

[@Hubwood]

😔

[@SightlyJester]

This video of one hour ago contradicts the results of your video, and also a lot of more videos of september have similar results in this same games: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5iaZZSLhqyXick

[@Hubwood]

I can't do anything different than using newest drivers and just test both devices. I don't know how he tested them but I gave the wattage info. Otherwise both ran at highest fan speeds. And haven't checked which laptop he used for 890m. If this are the results for ME who is "pretty familiar" with how to test laptops, I assume this will happen to others as well. Also iGPUs and mobile GPUs are much harder to benchmark than Desktop GPUs as there are just so many factors, driver issues and potential problems. I can only assure you I didn't fake anything here 🤷

[@ominousview]

Nice comparison. More FPS is one thing but one thing that doesn't come through on these reviews is the graphics quality. Which one handles that better. In my own experience I feel like AMD sacrifices more graphics for FPS vs Nvidia and Intel

[@Leonardo-hy3qj]

at 20w: 890m is 28.3% more efficient on average and has 69.4% more peff than 140v. Both the gpus have peak efficiency at this power level, interestingly at 30w: 890m is 7.07% more efficient, and has 16.2% more peff than 140v

[@Unknown3375]

why intel uses way more ram

[@Hubwood]

That's just the wrong display if the VRAM allocation.

[@pamus6242]

The key here is LPDDR5X. Without it Intel and AMD would be nowhere. This is the real reason ARM is winning/won.

[@rattlehead999]

The problem is that AMD and Intel have only dual channel/128 bit bus width. If they had a 192-256 bit bus width/tri-quad channel memory they'd match and beat a rtx 3050

[@odidibassey]

Radeon is cooler and faster

[@faizannabi7540]

Intel is way behind just like amd is behind from nvidia.

[@雲雲星]

AMD YES!!

[@odidibassey]

Radeon 890M igpu trashed Intel 🔥✨

[@ausejoski]

I see it amd is weaker because you put it against intels 2nd to the highest cpu on the series.. it should be against the ultra 9 not ultra 7.

[@theviniso]

Does the ultra 9 have a better iGPU than the ultra 7?

[@Hubwood]

No. Same GPU, same number of cores. Only slightly higher CPU clock speed.

[@ausejoski]

@@Hubwood but the GPU clock speed is also different..

[@Hubwood]

@@ausejoski by 100Mhz yes. Good luck finding a laptop with the core ultra 9 yet though ;)