AMD Ryzen: Part 1 The Chip, The Myth, The Legend

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"issue"

[@xKhronusx]

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[@Marcos-ee2rd]

1700 is a beast of a processor and value if you overclock it. It's almost unbelievable... I was expecting to pay $500 for my new 8-core chip, but then that $330 wonder revealed itself. The 7700K is faster in low-threaded games, no point in questioning. Still, the 1700 gets so damn close I find a hard time recommending it even to someone who says "I ONLY GAME". Eight cores bring so many benefits when you do any kind of multitasking it's not even fair to compare those two processors.

[@sunkyupark3022]

Even if you just play games, if you are that kind of person who have lots of background apps, chrome, youtube, etc etc running in the back, AMD might be a better choice. My 1700 doesn't give a sh!t how many things i have in the background.

[@dragonfyzex1546]

Marcos Moccelini 1700 doesn't make you look good. You need 1800x for best swag

[@emergcon]

? its amd. not intel. amd is: wow, you got nearly as much speed from your 460 than from the 480 by using a custom bios. well done ;)

[@g1zmo85]

The 1700 is definitely the most exciting chip, great overclocking ability!

[@TechDeals]

Great video! So true, the Ryzen CPUs are, full stop, the best value for the dollar spent. Intel's CPUs cost more and provide less. What more is there to say?

[@kingjasko]

Indeed, I'm glad I got my 1600x shortly after it arrived in my country.

[@StachelyPigglyBottom]

Glad to hear about the IOMMU issues being addressed. Excited as hell to (hopefully) get set up in linux.

[@geogmz8277]

Me too, this is the only thing that stopped me to buy one at launch. Now I don't have money but hopefully next month my AMD build will take place for the first time on a very long time.

[@tin2001]

MinMin Yeah. That's awesome. Now if the execs at AMD could also take note of that SR IOV GPU video next.... I'd hand in my NVIDIA fanboy ID card without hesitation if I could share my GPU between host and guests (on Linux hosts of course).

[@rich1051414]

I am a programmer with a computer science degree, and I have to admit, it is hard not to fanboy over Ryzen, and it has nothing to do with the AMD badge. For christ sake, they not only managed to make their own version of hyper-threading, they did it better than intel could do, and intel has been working on it for 8 generations of iteration. This isn't even getting into surpassing Intel's undisputable IPC. Even if this platform is sticking around as long as bulldozer, AMD has nothing to fear.

[@x1c3x]

Richard Smith I've seen people saying that since Ryzen is so different and new, that software is not optimized for it yet. Is that true? even if it's so different it's still the same architecture, right? How much of an improvement can we expect, if any? Thoughts?

[@rich1051414]

That is a simplification for an architectural difference in ryzen compared to intel, but it is only half of the story. The issue is that the OS is not treating Ryzen's cache as a victim cache. A victim cache, in order to be used efficiently, needs redundant thread creation to be minimized, while maximizing thread recycling. Not doing so will cause too much data traffic out of the relatively slow victim cache. However, thread handling can be done on an application by application bases, this is normally handled exclusively by the OS. This is actually good news, as it means optimizations can be done to show universal performance gains without applications modifying code. However, not all applications allow the OS to deal with thread handling, and go out of their way to handle that themselves. These would need to be optimized specifically for ryzen. It is also worth pointing out that the thread/cache handling itself is a learning neural network(Don't worry, it won't try to kill you... unless you deserve it). Running benchmarks back to back will likely show increasingly better and better performance. It's very difficult to quantify how much this will improve user experience, or extensive benchmarks, but it does give me a nerd-on :P

[@x1c3x]

Richard Smith So possible improvements are: Arnold inside of Ryzen (which reminds me of Windows' Superfetch / Prefetch kinda..) and Windows updates.But we won't know the size/amount of improvement until we see more use of the cpus, more benchmarks and get the actual updates. And anyone on Windows 7 can only hope developers update their apps themselves, because after seeing Barnacules' video I'm pretty sure Microsoft won't release any Ryzen related updates. Also tnx for the reply :)

[@rich1051414]

Thankfully Windows 7 doesn't suffer from windows mishandling threads on Ryzen as much as Windows 10 currently does.

[@hochhaul]

You MUST do a video on the Athlon/P4 era CPU's! It was an amazing time. The days of connecting L1 bridges with pencils and dirt cheap, golden chip mobile Barton's... ah the nostalgia.

[@GameTechReviews]

Great point on comparing Ryzen it to the days of Athlon and Pentium 4. I was thinking the same thing as I noticed if Ryzen runs at 3200mhz RAM at 4.0Ghz it pretty much is equal to the 7700k in gaming. One thing no one seems to think about is how gaming performance would look on the 1700 vs 7700k if both were running at 3ghz or 4ghz. Meaning, the only reason the 7700k seems faster in lightly threaded games is due to the clock speed advantage. Ryzen seems far more efficient.

[@lee155912000]

Now this is the kind of information I wanted to hear. I love your guys videos. You really go in depth with the different technologies and specifics of the platform. There is more in depth information people can look up but for people trying to learn you guys do such a good job explaining and outlining what things are, that going and actually researching/learning what those things are in more depth is easy because we have a better understanding of what it is we are actually searching for. Thumbs up!

[@Klefth]

Now just to wait until the IOMMU grouping issue is solved! Good to know AMD and board manufacturers are looking into it. Soon as it's fixed, my planned Ryzen build will be back on track. :D

[@nicolasarenas8988]

Wow great video guys. I can't wait for the benchmarks you'll show us. I've seen lately that there have been increases in stability and in some overclocking thanks to UEFI updates on bios. The Crosshair VI Hero bios' updates.

[@pieterrossouw8596]

Can't wait for second generation Ryzen. By that time most of the issues will be addressed (hopefully).

[@pieterrossouw8596]

nope. Ryzen 2XXX will probably launch at some point in the next 1-2 years, and then I'll buy it unless Intel swings back with their 8th gen chips. If they're competitive ito price/performance with Ryzen for 12 or 16-thread chips, I'll buy that. Until then, i5 4460 is still fine for me.

[@LiquidSpikes]

Hello Wendel, fairly new subscriber, I just wanted you to know I have huge respect for you! Working full time while making these videos, I can hardly imagine. Thank you for making such a great channel!

[@cieuxlux9617]

I have an R7-1700 sitting on my shelf (waiting for motherboards to get back in stock) and this video taught me quite a bit that I didn't already know, thanks for being so specific and in depth !

[@coleciervo8652]

Looking forward to watch this review. Wendell is always very objective unlike *some* reviewers!

[@WeirdSeagul]

I got a 1700 for mainly gaming. it was £10 cheaper than the 7700k but also the B350 motherboard i got was cheaper than a 7700k motherboard would be. the 7700k does perform better in games but i have the 1700 clocked at 3.9 so the delta aint too bad

[@Tuchulu]

Also it's much better than the i7 if you ever do video editing or 3D rendering or Streaming

[@mr.tomatohead5648]

Frothar which Mobo did you get? any issues?

[@WeirdSeagul]

msi b350 tomahawk. only issue is that i am on 2933 on my 3200 ram and i am sure it will be improved soon.

[@WereCatStudio]

Go watch JayTwoCents video, he got new BIOS (only for ASUS board at the moment) and he was able to go up to 3200MHz on RAM from the 2933MHz wall he was hitting before. So I am sure that you will see the BIOS update soon as well.

[@WeirdSeagul]

yea there are a bunch of Beta bios out at the moment and while i am capable of flashing bioses and have moved the latest official one i don't really want to beta test them as i happy to wait

[@riezexeero7392]

Thanks Level1Tech. Only a few of you really did a true review and in dept analysis on Ryzen and not just based it on a bunch of benchmarks. I have Level1Tech, Teach Deals and AdoredTV on my list now as trusted KZbin channels for Tech.

[@warhaggis]

10:05 "This thing is very surpRyzen".

[@leonisbacher1772]

Wendell you are the source I trust and respect the most out here on KZbin ! Love the seriousness and spikes of humor ! Thanks for sharing with us ! You deserve more subs.

[@WorstChicken]

So I'm a few years late to the party but have decided to upgrade from my 8350/r390x to the ryzen stuff. I want to say a huge thanks you to Ryan for pointing out that it will force me to move from 7 to 10, which is something I said from day one (of that stupid bluescreen notification) that I would move completely to linux before I'd ever consider installing windows beyond version 7. You two are awesome and helping me catch up really fast with everything going on. So thank you both for all the great info too!

[@isosine]

HEY THAT'S A 1U GRASS 7D POLYGRAPH AMPLIFIER IN THE BACK LEFT.

[@newbington]

I love that this channel is more about the content at hand and the common consumer in mind, over the flair and overkill that most tech channels are trending with.

[@lukep.2447]

I really love this show. The content is fantastic, I love the talk about the hardware and Linux stuff. The theme music is on point, most of these tech shows have some kind of EDM mess but yours is refreshing. Keep up the great work.

[@MrMorepower71]

Thank you. The first overview I have seen that is an honest opinion that I can think about to make my decision. You guys rock! Keep up the honest way you guys do business.

[@whyzen2081]

Great video. I was looking at picking up a Ryzen 7, but the 1600X looks like the real sweet spot, and means I can go for a better motherboard and 3200mhz DDR4. Exciting times for upgrading once again. It'll certainly be a big leap from my FX 8350 and i5 2500k.

[@knives6683]

Good to see Tech Deals and you guys helping each other out. Two of my favourite channels. So I guess I should check out Joker then.

[@gctdonyre]

Ryzen processors do not offer memory dividers for DDR4-3000 or DDR4-3400. As such, AMD recommends that users looking to use higher memory speeds with their Ryzen processors instead look towards 3200 or 3500 MT/s.

[@amdintelxsniperx]

its just how the multi works

[@M.A.F._Operator262]

everyone I think was just expecting something so much better and didn't get it, what can you expect from cheaper parts, now maybe after 5 more years amd will have something more substantial, but just being able to keep up is good enough for me because of cost.

[@jayjagad]

Who else is eagerly waiting for Part 2? Great Work Wendell. Love your Channel!

[@johnreynolds6074]

This is one of the best reviews that I've heard. Excellent

[@LunatiqHigh]

Thank god the contest you're apart of happened. I hadn't watched Tek Syndicate in a long / long time and was wondering where you had been. I figured out the name changed to crit and everyone seems to be disbanded :'(. Oh well. I'm glad I can watch some of your vids now.

[@awesomelegend3411]

Great video, important to note that both Sony and Microsoft will be running a Zen based CPUs in their next generation consoles, this means that most games made for next gen consoles should be inherently optimised for Ryzen... Honestly, for gamers, the Intel i7 7700k is the clear winner in pure performance for now and the very immediate future, especially when you take into account frame times, but anyone who buys a i7 7700k must accept that it is going to get very old very quickly, you are essentially buying something that will probably be considered a low end POS in a couple years. The most interesting argument against Ryzen, purely in regards to longevity in gaming performance, is the i7 6800k/6850k which are around the same price but currently beat Ryzen in most games (especially when overclocking) and due to their core count and on-chip connectivity they should age fairly well, albeit that argument starts to loose credibility, especially value-wise, when you take into account an over-clocked R7 1700 or the soon to be seen R5 line-up, and it looses more credibility when you take into account the fact that Skylake-x and the x299 platform are only 6 months away and that if Intel wants to remain competitive these products should cost less then their current counterparts... Both sides are right, both sides are better, especially if you choose to take a narrow or skewed point of view, but can't we all take a deep breath and just enjoy the moment, we finely have a competitive market and there are hard decisions to be made, there is new information coming out all the time, the PC industry hasn’t been this interesting in years, personally I am relishing in the moment and can't wait to see what the future brings... Peace

[@paragajg]

@Wendell I stumbled upon your channel and must admit you are a rare KZbin reviewer who knows computer science .. Loved your insights.. Looking forward for you Linux based tests.. Can you please make a video explaining the power of Ryzen in data crunching applications like building machine learning models and deep learning that will be freaking cool... Cheers from India

[@Meichie228]

Very good analysis and you made some very good points that most channels overlook.

[@hotroof]

The Level1 Techs pot plant is looking healthy. Nice work guys.

[@thomasarouge3636]

14:48 Yes, I am glad to see that they are looking into the IOMMU situation. I don't want to deal with the need of using custom patches.

[@cbremer83]

Nice vid fellas. Really hope things pan out for AMD. So far Ryzen has been pretty much what I expected and hopefully they can really polish things up down the road. There is potential for something truely great.

[@nighthawkvc25a]

Anyone remember when AMD used to be considered the green team? (This was mostly back in the years before they acquired ATi)

[@BodethIII]

Well, true. but they really should change the AMD logo color to red, if you think about it. AMD is red, Nvidia is green, Intel is blue. The RGB of the PC industry.

[@mik310s]

I recently got a 1700x, fantastic chips for the price AMD have done a amazing job with Ryzen and I cant wait for Ryzen 2, these are amazing, its great to see AMD competitive once again

[@muskyelondragon]

I'm going to get an R5, I expect to be very happy with it upgrading from my i5 6500.

[@pelleg59]

I am not an Intel or an AMD fan, but I have these last few years bought Intel. Ryzen has got me thinking, a new architecture, and it is very interesting

[@trolling4dollars816]

Wendell on Level1 Tech is such a great improvement over Wendell on Tek Krap

[@seans1102]

Very informative and impartial review. Thanks.

[@jfoldger1184]

You guys definitely deserve way more subscribers!!!! Wendell actually knows what he is talking about.... you can tell straight away.... And it feels like allot of other channels are just reading spec's and marketing blable right of the back of a retail box, it's like they never go into the nitty gritty details like you guys because they probably dont evan understand what going on when it comes to the really nerdy stuff... Thanks LVL1 for actually keeping a level playing field here.... Unlike some KZbinrs who immediately shit all over it... compare it to an i5 in gaming and immediately dismissing the fact that its not meant for gaming (evan though it still kicks ass in gaming) FFS HAHA

[@tarcal87]

Fact is, when you see a processor (7700K) maxing out 100% on all 4 cores *sometimes*, you know the situation is only gonna get worse (for it, and better for R7). Meanwhile the differences NOW are already negligible, and that's the average - in some games the R7 performs better, in some, slightly worse. (But as Tech Deals put it, even in those few games, 150 FPS or 135 absolutely doesn't matter. And that's on 1080p. With any higher res, any difference disappears.) I'm super happy with my 1700

[@oscarjeans4119]

9:38 actually i am interested and care and did not know them, thats why i come for you :) for the technical yet still understandable summary of whats going on

[@TechShowdown]

Great video!

[@bratulis]

Still running good ol' X58 i7 920 @4.0Ghz... So its about time for an upgrade :D Gonna wait at least 1 or 2 more months and see how sorted ryzen gets and decide which camp offers the best performance for my needs and budget. Cuz now the memory compatibility/stability and bios issues with Ryzen doesn't compel me to consider it viable purchase for now:(

[@kainhall]

just, when you get it, flash to the latest release bios....if you even have to update it as long as your on release...their wont be any crashes or bullshit like that....but, you MAY not (depending on when ya get it...as its out of stock ATM) have good memory and core overclocking recent bioses have allowed people to get to 3000 mhz, and a few over......so its been less than a month and already shit as improved A LOT im running a phenom 2 1090t 6 core at 4ghz.....(which gives your 920 CPU a run for its money...they use to battle it out back in the day) so im in your same boat....it was a good cpu till about....middle of last year and if i could....id buy as soon as i could yes, their are issues....but its all in the back-end and doesnt effect windows..... like.....id do what i did with my 1090t, again....run it stock for a year then update everything and OC the balls out of it hell.... the 920 was a BRAND NEW platform also!!! if you got threw the bugs with x58 (didnt the sata ports burn out???)....you can live with ryzen bugs..

[@g55gamingsvids]

I think it was Z68 that had the SATA port issue, I at least know it was one of the chipsets 1155 CPUs used.

[@SWOgottaGO]

Yeah, it was Sandy Bridge with the USB bug. Most boards got the "R2.0" badge

[@amdintelxsniperx]

another thing to consider with a 7700k purchase is yes the chip is slightly faster in gaming however its also pegged higher too meaning it will become obsolete faster many times im seeing the chips hitting 80 to 80 percent load

[@saloogee84]

thanks for the video. your channel is always very informative.

[@masaharumorimoto4761]

I waited for this review! I didn't want to hear any other reviews except yours!! SO Looks like i'm sticking with my 2500k @ 4.2ghz! I REFUSE to jump into the win10 cesspool!!!!!

[@masaharumorimoto4761]

Ya, I agree, I'm already 90% sure I'm going linux for my next OS unless there is some kind of dynamic change over at windows...

[@hotroof]

Nothing but praise.

[@brettmasters3626]

it is great to see reviewers that have some klout with amd and the other big tech companys the fact the you whet to the and they herd what you were telling thing is great

[@andrewcanrinus5186]

Its so refreshing to see some educated breakdowns instead of the same old if u want to game stick with Intel. I love to game, I mainly game, however i also have so other things, and its the other things that i have always found amd is better at. I have watched 30+ ryzen reviews and yours and jayztwocents have been the least biased that ive seen so far, yours is by far more techniqually detailed and it really makes me wonder what koolaid intel is feeding to the masses.

[@StachelyPigglyBottom]

Could you do a tutorial on OC'ing using P-States?

[@LeJimster]

I'd be interested to see this especially on Linux.

[@bartacus3521]

Me three! Ryzen 1700 is in my immediate future, if motherboards ever become readily available in Canada.

[@kainhall]

yo times a lot, yo i knew of phenom MSR tweeker for the old phenom 1/2s and IIRC it worked on FX as well..... but....we need ryzen MSR tweeker!!

[@peterjansen4826]

Level1Techs Great review guys. I like the more 'spontaneous' style, like we are sitting in the living room with you guys. One little point of criticism, I don't think that you should deduct the price of a competitive cooler from the price of the 1700. Many people can't use this cooler. If you have a large case and you want to overclock it decently then you are much better off with a D15 or a good AIO. Also, because they apply thermal grease to the CPU you have to buy some solution and coffeefilters to get it off. Maybe sooner or later you have to do that anyway but I was hoping to postpone that until I buy a new motherboard. ;) Maybe you can sell the cooler but it is hardly worthed it. I would strongly prefer a lower price and no stock cooler. I don't get those people who believe that every non highend CPU should come with a stock cooler, a cooler is almost as personal as a desktop case. Let people choose one of their own. Those who need their hand held will buy a prebuild PC (the horror) anyway.

[@jeremyr4304]

nice Thunderbird shout-out... saved for weeks to grab an AXIA stepping 1ghz tbird..

[@CharcharoExplorer]

I am unsure about the CCX because Hardware.fr and pcgh have found somewhat different results (at least according to this, the links to PCGH and hardware.fr in the thread): www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5zor2z/hardwarefr_a_22_ryzen_1400_is_worse_than_a_40/ I also have a question... what are the chances of an AM4+ with PCIE4.0 next year with Pinnacle Ridge (Ryzen 2) ?

[@kainhall]

the + boards are usually about going to the next ddr revision.... id say they would just stick with am4....but update the CPU to have pcie4 and the "south bridge" to do pcie3.0 for the smaller slots....like how they are pcie2.0 now but i do think that with ryzen 2.0....most of the issues will be gone, and that chip will REALLY be the fast one

[@CharcharoExplorer]

***** PCIE 4 is Navi and is 2018 start.

[@halistinejenkins5289]

GOOD evaluation guys!

[@JaiJai177]

Best detailed breakdown

[@landwolf00]

Finally got a x370 motherboard ordered with a 1700. Can't wait to double my cores over my 3770k!

[@Aint1S]

Really, I've been impressed with what they've done and to the point that you've literally for to split hairs in comparing RYZEN 1800X to the i7-7700k. A few lower frames, but more of a CPU that equates to the upper echelon of X99. Heck, X99 can't compare against the constant (albeit small) improvements on the silicon of mainstream cores of Z170/Z270. AMD is right in the middle of it and very capable. I haven't had any intention of touching X99 since my last extreme edition QX6700. Still works, I just keep it around for gaming and a 4th system for local games... I've decided my newest VR/workstation will be based on the 1800X.

[@garrettdustman8505]

Can you clarify the model number of your Trident Z RAM? Is it F4-3200C14D-16GTZ???

[@bratulis]

Even with the model number it's still not guaranteed to work the same way, especially with CL16 chips cuz you are not guaranteed that they will be Samsung B-Die chips, as those seem to work the best with Ryzen. The most likely ram to have B-Die chips are 3000/3200 freq. CL14, but those are quite expensive and also kills a lot of Ryzen value for money.

[@BSEUNHIR]

That part you're naming is actually a bit faster, but it works great on Ryzen so far (at least for me). I have it at 2933 CL14 on my Prime X370. Would prolly go faster on some other boards, waiting for UEFI updates now. Pretty much guaranteed Samsung B-Die and single rank, which is important for ryzen.

[@amdintelxsniperx]

g skill flare x is the go to now

[@emperorSbraz]

you reporting on ecc support working correctly is a very good news!

[@Tymax1]

Oh my .. you guys are so much better then all the alternatives! So many reviewers did so many things wrong, its kinda stupid (yeah including linus shillcrap and hardware ballsboxed)

[@robertmitchell87]

Looking at the price of those Intel chips I'm amazed that AMD sells a six core, twelve thread CPU for just $85.00

[@AlValentyn]

I'm extremely excited for the Ryzen R5 line up now. 4c/8t for under $200, clock it to 4Ghz, and get high speed RAM . RAM and CPU ( plus Wraith cooler) for nearly the same cost as the 7700K.

[@korbendallas1956]

I have a Pentium G3258 (OC'ed to 4Ghz) and a GTX 960 (4GB) in my Linux rig. Based on what I've seen so far, I'd be just fine with any of the Ryzen 5 chips. I'm just waiting for the reviews on them and the X300 ITX mobos before I start throwing money at my monitor. Why the latter? Because I'm thinking about downsizing to a SFF system.

[@hugoagogo2307]

No hate just love:)

[@valhalla8140]

Man Wendell is a genius subbed

[@LoneRiderz]

Thank you for the video... glad to know Ryzen supports ECC. Can't get that on Intel, at least not for an affordable price.

[@webbvisuals9798]

you have a sub from me less than 1:30 into the video, your voices alone had me at the intro 😂😂 extremely good info and I am currently building a 1700 ryzen rig

[@ImTheSlyDevil]

1700X here 3975@1350mv. It shreds everything. I can't even finish my drink before it renders a 20 minute 1080p 16mbps video. Hits 400fps sometimes in Path of Exile. GG.

[@todddembsky8321]

I really like this channel, I do not even watch Tek any more. I am an AMD fan boy, so I will be upgrading to Ryzen, but not for a couple of months as I need the motherboards to catch up. Great video, I love the tech -- tell me why, tell me how, don't tell me the thumb screws are great....

[@Rajibahmed]

U guys super awkward, nerdy, and I love it :)

[@CevelNet]

If you take ECC into account, the Ryzen 7 1700 competes with the E5-1660v4 (1200$, 8x 3.2GHz, 3.6GHz Turbo). Plus, the E5-1660v4 needs a more expensive platform to run on. Ryzen's platform has its drawbacks, as lower PCIe-Lanes, weird IOMMU groups and lack of IPMI / vPro, but if you can live with these drawbacks, you're getting almost the same performance at 1/3rd to 1/4th of the price.

[@robinschepenburg8282]

I like the subtle music

[@bummer01]

From my understandng... Neural Net Prediction is kinda like a NAND flash drive that can be found HDD/SSD Hydrids and in SSD's as well, the more you run a program, the more it stores data in the flash drive, the more it access the program faster.

[@slipknotboy555]

Very good video; the triple A trash heap part was hilarious

[@JackStavris]

I'm on Sandy Bridge-E with an old Xeon E5-2670 that I picked up on eBay for dirt cheap a while back. My board is giving me some issues due to it's old age (it's an ASRock X79 Extreme6) so I think building a new Ryzen 7 system is going to be a good upgrade path for me as I do edit video and run VMs as well as game, and if I can get an 8-core for under half the cost of a Broadwell-E 8-core I think the trade off with slightly lesser gaming performance than Kaby Lake is worth it.

[@Decessus666]

Amazingly informative without being boring. How do you do it?

[@scannerman777]

[12:00] I don't think the Ryzen 7 has the 6850K beat for bandwidth. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

[@zungaloca]

7700 already lagging this year can't imagine next year, do you buy a CPU for 6 months

[@Pholostan]

I agree, good first try. I'm more interested in Zen2 and Zen3 personally.

[@Yhigma]

Wouldn't large caches become significantly slower? Or is it just lower levels (i.e. L3, L4) that are very large?

[@BodethIII]

The reason Ryzen 5 and lower core counts have the same OC headroom as Ryzen 7 is because of the process node it's made on. The Ryzen chips are made on Global Foundries' 14nm LPP node, which itself IS borrowed from Samsung's 14 node, and here's the thing, this node is meant for smartphone SOCs, not high-powered CPUs. This is why Ryzen has a hard wall around 4 Ghz or so, but also why it can be SO efficient for what it is, 8c/16t for 65w TDP? I don't see Intel's 8 cores doing 65w TDP, they do 140w TDP. The very design characteristics of Gloflo/Samsung 14nm node determines the Ryzen's impressive performance per watt, in exchange for little OC headroom above 4 Ghz.

[@darensteele1005]

You guys are the best!

[@wayneho6458]

Hmmm. Correct me if I am wrong. Any new rig ryzen 1700 or 7700. Will be way way faster than i3-550 8gb ram w hd7470 2gb?

[@ebsmith1102]

Love this in retrospect

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Really good and very insightful. Sadly as much as i wanted to support Little AMD mostly all I do is web surfing and gaming other than my Freenas setup. So I just ordered a I7-7700K /IX Hero board. Easy 5Ghz is hard to beat right now. May be next time AMD keep fighting and optimizing.

[@Geopirate3]

If AMD is able to keep the contract for console hardware would it not be possible to keep the console hardware closer to desktop Ryzen, reducing the delta for optimization in game ports? Especially since Vulkan is supposed to be less of a delta from the console APIs.

[@PvMcris]

apu

[@itsdeonlol]

Thanks for this video guys!

[@bloxyman22]

Based on the recent benchmarks by hardware unboxed, it seems like there is something else that is limiting the Ryzen in certain games, like far cry primal. He disabled cores so that one was running at 4:0 core setup, so that one module is completely disabled while he put the other one at 2:2 and yet they performed about identical, suggesting that the latency between the core modules is not really the issue here.

[@Infinit3Enigma]

how good is ryzen for hpc computing, like machine vision, ai, simulations and such? These apps really need all the clock speed and all the "physcial" cores it can take. Are its threads equivalent to its real cores? How is its IPC?

[@coolski1954]

u seem like honest fellows thx for ur segment

[@donfrenchiano]

Is infinity fabric what makes up the infinity guantlet?

[@MrBillrookard]

Curious as to exactly which ECC modules you used. Were they the registered DIMMs or the UDIMMS?

[@mpxz999]

Has anyone (or is anyone) going to test (any) Ryzen with a game being ran with Wine Staging? I know that this is a very niche request... But some users can only run certain games by using Wine Staging. I'd love to see if these extra cores get utilized or not! (as it would help me choose between the 7700k or the 1700) Thanks for your time!